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Title: Smart Grid Challenge [via mql5]
Post by: ivanvp on April 29, 2019, 04:41:35 PM
Dear friends, Many users know me by some other products. Unfortunately, the market is unstable and low volatility last few years. It's a big challenge to me get stable profit ever at this situation. I have always been opponent using grids and martingale - they can crash your account in a few days and most users cannot control risks. But maybe it is possible to make safe grid? I sure, I did it! Smart Grid Challenge is a safe grid system and a new challenge for me!

Smart Grid Challenge, unlike another grid systems:
1. Don't use a martingale - it's always use fix lot, so Smart Grid Challenge never crash your account in a few days and never build. It's not a crazy monkey - system will never open a grid  with the crazy lot size;
2. System have a fix Stop Loss size for all presets, which will protect your account;
3. Now Smart Grid Challengee support 16 pairs - it's reduce a chance of overfitting:

AUDCAD, AUDCHF, AUDJPY, AUDNZD, CADCHF, CADJPY, CHFJPY, EURCAD, EURJPY, EURNZD, EURUSD, NZDCAD, NZDCHF, NZDUSD, USDCAD, USDJPY

For all pairs system have a stable perfomance since 2003-2006 year. You can download all backtests (Dukascopy tick data with the variable spread) at attachments.

Here are system portfolio:

(https://c.mql5.com/31/325/1__6.png)

Here are Myfxbook monitoring:

(https://widgets.myfxbook.com/widgets/3284698/large.jpg) (https://www.myfxbook.com/members/PeregrimEA/smart-grid-challenge/3284698)


You can get moree info at Smart Grid Challenge page at mql5 market: https://www.mql5.com/en/market/product/37849
Title: Re: Smart Grid Challenge [via mql5]
Post by: FLechdrop on April 29, 2019, 06:38:19 PM
Hello Ivan, looks interesting. What is the performance like before 2003-2006? Any idea why it is worse?
Title: Re: Smart Grid Challenge [via mql5]
Post by: ivanvp on April 29, 2019, 07:26:08 PM
Hello Ivan, looks interesting. What is the performance like before 2003-2006? Any idea why it is worse?

Perfomance is the same. I have maken backtest since 2006 because a lot of pairs don't have a tick data before, so the Portfolio isn't correct. I am making public backtests since 2006-2007 for all EA's.

You can make your backtest for period before 2006 and you will see, that peerfomance if a good too ;)
Title: Re: Smart Grid Challenge [via mql5]
Post by: FLechdrop on April 29, 2019, 07:48:21 PM
OK. I assumed it would not be so great, because you said "For all pairs system have a stable perfomance since 2003-2006 year."

Did you test any pairs where it crashed completely?
Title: Re: Smart Grid Challenge [via mql5]
Post by: ivanvp on April 29, 2019, 08:06:32 PM
OK. I assumed it would not be so great, because you said "For all pairs system have a stable perfomance since 2003-2006 year."

Did you test any pairs where it crashed completely?

When i Said: 2003-2006 i mean all available Dukascopy history ;)

There were no any pairs, when system have been crashed fully. Worst results 2-4 SL, so I haven't added them to Portfolio.
Title: Re: Smart Grid Challenge [via mql5]
Post by: FLechdrop on April 29, 2019, 09:00:52 PM
OK. I assumed it would not be so great, because you said "For all pairs system have a stable perfomance since 2003-2006 year."

Did you test any pairs where it crashed completely?

When i Said: 2003-2006 i mean all available Dukascopy history ;)

There were no any pairs, when system have been crashed fully. Worst results 2-4 SL, so I haven't added them to Portfolio.
OK. I must say it looks pretty impressive. I tried making something like this and never got quite as far as this.

The SL is 1000?
Title: Re: Smart Grid Challenge [via mql5]
Post by: ivanvp on April 29, 2019, 09:07:28 PM
OK. I assumed it would not be so great, because you said "For all pairs system have a stable perfomance since 2003-2006 year."

Did you test any pairs where it crashed completely?

When i Said: 2003-2006 i mean all available Dukascopy history ;)

There were no any pairs, when system have been crashed fully. Worst results 2-4 SL, so I haven't added them to Portfolio.
OK. I must say it looks pretty inpressive. I tried making something like this and never got quite as far as this.

The SL is 1000?

Sent from my HTC 10 using Tapatalk

Yes, I know - it's impressive ;)

SL is a different for eeach pair. From 800 to 1400.
Title: Re: Smart Grid Challenge [via mql5]
Post by: Humble Trader's Fx on April 29, 2019, 09:48:18 PM
Dear friends, Many users know me by some other products. Unfortunately, the market is unstable and low volatility last few years. It's a big challenge to me get stable profit ever at this situation. I have always been opponent using grids and martingale - they can crash your account in a few days and most users cannot control risks. But maybe it is possible to make safe grid? I sure, I did it! Smart Grid Challenge is a safe grid system and a new challenge for me!

Smart Grid Challenge, unlike another grid systems:
1. Don't use a martingale - it's always use fix lot, so Smart Grid Challenge never crash your account in a few days and never build. It's not a crazy monkey - system will never open a grid  with the crazy lot size;
2. System have a fix Stop Loss size for all presets, which will protect your account;
3. Now Smart Grid Challengee support 16 pairs - it's reduce a chance of overfitting:

AUDCAD, AUDCHF, AUDJPY, AUDNZD, CADCHF, CADJPY, CHFJPY, EURCAD, EURJPY, EURNZD, EURUSD, NZDCAD, NZDCHF, NZDUSD, USDCAD, USDJPY

For all pairs system have a stable perfomance since 2003-2006 year. You can download all backtests (Dukascopy tick data with the variable spread) at attachments.

Here are system portfolio:

(https://c.mql5.com/31/325/1__6.png)

Here are Myfxbook monitoring:

(https://widgets.myfxbook.com/widgets/3284698/large.jpg) (https://www.myfxbook.com/members/PeregrimEA/smart-grid-challenge/3284698)


You can get moree info at Smart Grid Challenge page at mql5 market: https://www.mql5.com/en/market/product/37849


I am happy to announce that ivanvp, was kind enough to send me his Smart Grid Challenge EA, so I can run it in my test account, along with the other three EA's currently running. If you look at the analysis page, under magic numbers, you will see his EA listed as SGC.

Although Grids and Martingales are taboo for most traders, there is hope in the mathematics if you can crack the code.. with a little bit of intervention, here and there. ;)

Best of luck, ivanvp. I know you have worked hard on this project and look forward to your success.

Regards,
HumbleTrader
Title: Re: Smart Grid Challenge [via mql5]
Post by: donbon2 on April 29, 2019, 10:49:07 PM
it is so funny how things have gone from Scalpers to Momentum/Breakout to Grid over the last 9 months - it is at least good that people are recognizing the market change - yet frustrating that we have to admit defeat with the older strategies - simply because otherwise the DD just gets too high to sit there and do nothing

good luck with this
Title: Re: Smart Grid Challenge [via mql5]
Post by: ivanvp on April 29, 2019, 10:53:17 PM
it is so funny how things have gone from Scalpers to Momentum/Breakout to Grid over the last 9 months - it is at least good that people are recognizing the market change - yet frustrating that we have to admit defeat with the older strategies - simply because otherwise the DD just gets too high to sit there and do nothing

good luck with this

With the scalpers main problems is a analyzing of a backtest results. We can do nothing with it, so I decided to stop develop it. I am continuing to worrk undeer creation and moderation of Price Action system, but theree are no any moves and impulses for a long time. We cannot make profit with the PA systems at the flat.

So I am looking for another instruments which can make money at any market.
Title: Re: Smart Grid Challenge [via mql5]
Post by: ross80 on April 30, 2019, 01:53:45 PM
I wanted to check myfxbook account of the robot but when I went there I found out that the opened trades are closed. It will be great if the developer can show "open trades".

thank you in advance.
Title: Re: Smart Grid Challenge [via mql5]
Post by: ivanvp on April 30, 2019, 11:53:37 PM
I wanted to check myfxbook account of the robot but when I went there I found out that the opened trades are closed. It will be great if the developer can show "open trades".

thank you in advance.

Check it now :)
Title: Re: Smart Grid Challenge [via mql5]
Post by: ivanvp on May 23, 2019, 01:13:10 PM
Smart Grid Challenge continues to quietly make a profit. Secure system without increasing the lot size - all trades are fixed lot size. Do not worry about the safety of your funds!

Product page: https://www.mql5.com/en/market/product/37849

(https://donnaforex.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fmypic.online%2Fimg%2F2019-05%2F23%2Fmrgzx0ioc7jmhntb6kdpu7lig.png&hash=1b7b48d1f40bc797d6f05042f55cbcba) (http://mypic.online/)
Title: Re: Smart Grid Challenge [via mql5]
Post by: petersurrey on May 23, 2019, 01:56:23 PM
Smart Grid Challenge continues to quietly make a profit. Secure system without increasing the lot size - all trades are fixed lot size. Do not worry about the safety of your funds!

Product page: https://www.mql5.com/en/market/product/37849

(https://donnaforex.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fmypic.online%2Fimg%2F2019-05%2F23%2Fmrgzx0ioc7jmhntb6kdpu7lig.png&hash=1b7b48d1f40bc797d6f05042f55cbcba) (http://mypic.online/)

hmmm don't you mean loss?! The current equity level ( ie how much money you have at this point in time) is nearly 7% lower than balance, and I am currently looking at 2 pages (50 trades per page?) of open trades on MQL5 :o It is so easy to fall in love with grids when the balance continues to grow, but ignoring equity is fatal longer term...my own view is that all systems should be forced to publish only equity curves as found with collective2.

Title: Re: Smart Grid Challenge [via mql5]
Post by: HFT Group on May 23, 2019, 02:22:14 PM
Smart Grid Challenge continues to quietly make a profit. Secure system without increasing the lot size - all trades are fixed lot size. Do not worry about the safety of your funds!

Product page: https://www.mql5.com/en/market/product/37849

(https://donnaforex.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fmypic.online%2Fimg%2F2019-05%2F23%2Fmrgzx0ioc7jmhntb6kdpu7lig.png&hash=1b7b48d1f40bc797d6f05042f55cbcba) (http://mypic.online/)

Will you withdraw your demo profit from your demo account?  ::)
Title: Re: Smart Grid Challenge [via mql5]
Post by: canis on May 24, 2019, 04:21:00 AM
EA can run all pairs from one chart (One Chart Mode)?

Is there an option in the EA not to open new deals, but to manage current open deals for closing (stoping EA)?
Title: Re: Smart Grid Challenge [via mql5]
Post by: ivanvp on May 24, 2019, 04:15:20 PM
EA can run all pairs from one chart (One Chart Mode)?

Is there an option in the EA not to open new deals, but to manage current open deals for closing (stoping EA)?

1. No. It's unreal tto make OneChartMode for this EA - it will overload terminal. This mode neeed a lot of CPU resources. I am making OneChartMode only for Price Action systems, whiich are working at Bars Open. MT4 is a 32 biit system, so it a veery slow and work only at 1 CPU;

2. You can stop EA manually at the settings and then manage all trades;
Title: Re: Smart Grid Challenge [via mql5]
Post by: ivanvp on May 24, 2019, 04:17:59 PM
Smart Grid Challenge continues to quietly make a profit. Secure system without increasing the lot size - all trades are fixed lot size. Do not worry about the safety of your funds!

Product page: https://www.mql5.com/en/market/product/37849

(https://donnaforex.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fmypic.online%2Fimg%2F2019-05%2F23%2Fmrgzx0ioc7jmhntb6kdpu7lig.png&hash=1b7b48d1f40bc797d6f05042f55cbcba) (http://mypic.online/)

Will you withdraw your demo profit from your demo account?  ::)

In a few weeks will be opened 2 Real accounts for EA. Now I cannot do it. Last month I have opened Live monitorings for 4 EA's:
- Apogeum Price Action;
- Apogeum Hedging;
- Apogeum Conservative;
- Momentum Classic.
Title: Re: Smart Grid Challenge [via mql5]
Post by: ivanvp on May 24, 2019, 04:23:13 PM
Smart Grid Challenge continues to quietly make a profit. Secure system without increasing the lot size - all trades are fixed lot size. Do not worry about the safety of your funds!

Product page: https://www.mql5.com/en/market/product/37849

(https://donnaforex.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fmypic.online%2Fimg%2F2019-05%2F23%2Fmrgzx0ioc7jmhntb6kdpu7lig.png&hash=1b7b48d1f40bc797d6f05042f55cbcba) (http://mypic.online/)

hmmm don't you mean loss?! The current equity level ( ie how much money you have at this point in time) is nearly 7% lower than balance, and I am currently looking at 2 pages (50 trades per page?) of open trades on MQL5 :o It is so easy to fall in love with grids when the balance continues to grow, but ignoring equity is fatal longer term...my own view is that all systems should be forced to publish only equity curves as found with collective2.

7% isn't a big DD for this kind op systems. Now are opened trades for 16 pairs! So there are no any problems. Actually the DD for each pair isn't bigger then 1%. You should remember:

Smart Grid Challengee don't use martingale (lotsize increase), so it's much more safe! Another Grid's, which are using martingale, with this number of trades and grid size will have a big problems (like Grid King now, wheere author try manually fix crazy DD)...
Title: Re: Smart Grid Challenge [via mql5]
Post by: canis on May 25, 2019, 09:49:23 AM
EA can run all pairs from one chart (One Chart Mode)?

Is there an option in the EA not to open new deals, but to manage current open deals for closing (stoping EA)?

1. No. It's unreal tto make OneChartMode for this EA - it will overload terminal. This mode neeed a lot of CPU resources. I am making OneChartMode only for Price Action systems, whiich are working at Bars Open. MT4 is a 32 biit system, so it a veery slow and work only at 1 CPU;

2. You can stop EA manually at the settings and then manage all trades;

1. Oh no. In GridKing on 29 currency pairs, it works without overload a processor.
2. It is very uncomfortable. In GridKing, this feature is implemented.

You yourself mentioned GridKing...(-:
You are at the very beginning of the road ... Good luck!
Title: Re: Smart Grid Challenge [via mql5]
Post by: ivanvp on May 25, 2019, 12:10:59 PM
EA can run all pairs from one chart (One Chart Mode)?

Is there an option in the EA not to open new deals, but to manage current open deals for closing (stoping EA)?

1. No. It's unreal tto make OneChartMode for this EA - it will overload terminal. This mode neeed a lot of CPU resources. I am making OneChartMode only for Price Action systems, whiich are working at Bars Open. MT4 is a 32 biit system, so it a veery slow and work only at 1 CPU;

2. You can stop EA manually at the settings and then manage all trades;

1. Oh no. In GridKing on 29 currency pairs, it works without overload a processor.
2. It is very uncomfortable. In GridKing, this feature is implemented.

You yourself mentioned GridKing...(-:
You are at the very beginning of the road ... Good luck!

You should understand: if thee system work at each tick or if it is work at Bars - results will be different, OneChartMode for the tick system will overload server. I can impleement OneChartMode, but this kind of EA really don't need it and results will be worst. I am using OneChart for Price Action systems (Apogeum Price Action, Conservative and Hedging). For me isn't a problem to implement OneChart, but I want to make better for users.

I think, I will add OneChart in new version, but I will not recommeend it to use.
Title: Re: Smart Grid Challenge [via mql5]
Post by: canis on May 25, 2019, 03:13:17 PM
EA can run all pairs from one chart (One Chart Mode)?

Is there an option in the EA not to open new deals, but to manage current open deals for closing (stoping EA)?

1. No. It's unreal tto make OneChartMode for this EA - it will overload terminal. This mode neeed a lot of CPU resources. I am making OneChartMode only for Price Action systems, whiich are working at Bars Open. MT4 is a 32 biit system, so it a veery slow and work only at 1 CPU;

2. You can stop EA manually at the settings and then manage all trades;

1. Oh no. In GridKing on 29 currency pairs, it works without overload a processor.
2. It is very uncomfortable. In GridKing, this feature is implemented.

You yourself mentioned GridKing...(-:
You are at the very beginning of the road ... Good luck!

You should understand: if thee system work at each tick or if it is work at Bars - results will be different, OneChartMode for the tick system will overload server. I can impleement OneChartMode, but this kind of EA really don't need it and results will be worst. I am using OneChart for Price Action systems (Apogeum Price Action, Conservative and Hedging). For me isn't a problem to implement OneChart, but I want to make better for users.

I think, I will add OneChart in new version, but I will not recommeend it to use.

Fine. Add also the advisor stop function. Good luck!
Title: Re: Smart Grid Challenge [via mql5]
Post by: ivanvp on May 25, 2019, 03:22:57 PM
EA can run all pairs from one chart (One Chart Mode)?

Is there an option in the EA not to open new deals, but to manage current open deals for closing (stoping EA)?

1. No. It's unreal tto make OneChartMode for this EA - it will overload terminal. This mode neeed a lot of CPU resources. I am making OneChartMode only for Price Action systems, whiich are working at Bars Open. MT4 is a 32 biit system, so it a veery slow and work only at 1 CPU;

2. You can stop EA manually at the settings and then manage all trades;

1. Oh no. In GridKing on 29 currency pairs, it works without overload a processor.
2. It is very uncomfortable. In GridKing, this feature is implemented.

You yourself mentioned GridKing...(-:
You are at the very beginning of the road ... Good luck!

You should understand: if thee system work at each tick or if it is work at Bars - results will be different, OneChartMode for the tick system will overload server. I can impleement OneChartMode, but this kind of EA really don't need it and results will be worst. I am using OneChart for Price Action systems (Apogeum Price Action, Conservative and Hedging). For me isn't a problem to implement OneChart, but I want to make better for users.

I think, I will add OneChart in new version, but I will not recommeend it to use.

Fine. Add also the advisor stop function. Good luck!

(https://donnaforex.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fmypic.online%2Fimg%2F2019-05%2F25%2F98bglsoy8vbh9ctu9m60xmshk.png&hash=fd2cee507ccb8e2ae0aa3accc5bb4ca1) (http://mypic.online/)
Title: Re: Smart Grid Challenge [via mql5]
Post by: atomico on May 25, 2019, 03:52:42 PM
good morning Ivan,

i have download your setfiles from mql and executed some backtest with TDS2 on EURUSD, starting capital 5000 EURO, chart M30 and period from 2003 to 2006 and 2005 to 2007...

please, see the attached image, i obtain really strange result... first test have BIG LOSS at the end of 2005...
on second test the LOSS is not present (start from 2005)

why these result? what is wrong?

best regard

Title: Re: Smart Grid Challenge [via mql5]
Post by: canis on May 25, 2019, 04:29:23 PM
EA can run all pairs from one chart (One Chart Mode)?

Is there an option in the EA not to open new deals, but to manage current open deals for closing (stoping EA)?

1. No. It's unreal tto make OneChartMode for this EA - it will overload terminal. This mode neeed a lot of CPU resources. I am making OneChartMode only for Price Action systems, whiich are working at Bars Open. MT4 is a 32 biit system, so it a veery slow and work only at 1 CPU;

2. You can stop EA manually at the settings and then manage all trades;

1. Oh no. In GridKing on 29 currency pairs, it works without overload a processor.
2. It is very uncomfortable. In GridKing, this feature is implemented.

You yourself mentioned GridKing...(-:
You are at the very beginning of the road ... Good luck!

You should understand: if thee system work at each tick or if it is work at Bars - results will be different, OneChartMode for the tick system will overload server. I can impleement OneChartMode, but this kind of EA really don't need it and results will be worst. I am using OneChart for Price Action systems (Apogeum Price Action, Conservative and Hedging). For me isn't a problem to implement OneChart, but I want to make better for users.

I think, I will add OneChart in new version, but I will not recommeend it to use.

Fine. Add also the advisor stop function. Good luck!

(https://donnaforex.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fmypic.online%2Fimg%2F2019-05%2F25%2F98bglsoy8vbh9ctu9m60xmshk.png&hash=fd2cee507ccb8e2ae0aa3accc5bb4ca1) (http://mypic.online/)

Funny. I talked about the prohibition to put up new positions, but to accompany an open basket of orders before closing at a profit.
Title: Re: Smart Grid Challenge [via mql5]
Post by: petersurrey on May 26, 2019, 06:24:52 AM
Smart Grid Challenge continues to quietly make a profit. Secure system without increasing the lot size - all trades are fixed lot size. Do not worry about the safety of your funds!

Product page: https://www.mql5.com/en/market/product/37849

(https://donnaforex.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fmypic.online%2Fimg%2F2019-05%2F23%2Fmrgzx0ioc7jmhntb6kdpu7lig.png&hash=1b7b48d1f40bc797d6f05042f55cbcba) (http://mypic.online/)

hmmm don't you mean loss?! The current equity level ( ie how much money you have at this point in time) is nearly 7% lower than balance, and I am currently looking at 2 pages (50 trades per page?) of open trades on MQL5 :o It is so easy to fall in love with grids when the balance continues to grow, but ignoring equity is fatal longer term...my own view is that all systems should be forced to publish only equity curves as found with collective2.

7% isn't a big DD for this kind op systems. Now are opened trades for 16 pairs! So there are no any problems. Actually the DD for each pair isn't bigger then 1%. You should remember:

Smart Grid Challengee don't use martingale (lotsize increase), so it's much more safe! Another Grid's, which are using martingale, with this number of trades and grid size will have a big problems (like Grid King now, wheere author try manually fix crazy DD)...

Thanks - but my point being the system is in loss, not profit - you can't use a positive balance to hide an open account equity loss in the hope they will all eventually close in profit.
Title: Re: Smart Grid Challenge [via mql5]
Post by: ivanvp on May 27, 2019, 01:59:23 PM
good morning Ivan,

i have download your setfiles from mql and executed some backtest with TDS2 on EURUSD, starting capital 5000 EURO, chart M30 and period from 2003 to 2006 and 2005 to 2007...

please, see the attached image, i obtain really strange result... first test have BIG LOSS at the end of 2005...
on second test the LOSS is not present (start from 2005)

why these result? what is wrong?

best regard

Hello, this is really strange. Are you using the latest version of TDS2? One of the reasons is an error during testing, which was observed in versions 2.25-2.29. However, in any case, the results are strange.

It also follows that with such systems all trades are interrelated. But soon will be update and I am sure it will be fixed ;)
Title: Re: Smart Grid Challenge [via mql5]
Post by: ivanvp on May 27, 2019, 02:07:58 PM
EA can run all pairs from one chart (One Chart Mode)?

Is there an option in the EA not to open new deals, but to manage current open deals for closing (stoping EA)?

1. No. It's unreal tto make OneChartMode for this EA - it will overload terminal. This mode neeed a lot of CPU resources. I am making OneChartMode only for Price Action systems, whiich are working at Bars Open. MT4 is a 32 biit system, so it a veery slow and work only at 1 CPU;

2. You can stop EA manually at the settings and then manage all trades;

1. Oh no. In GridKing on 29 currency pairs, it works without overload a processor.
2. It is very uncomfortable. In GridKing, this feature is implemented.

You yourself mentioned GridKing...(-:
You are at the very beginning of the road ... Good luck!

Are you know what is inside the code? Grid King is working by ticks or by Bars? For the systems which are working by Bars there are no any big problems with the OneChartMode. But when you are using tick based systems, expert repeat all cicle "for/while" each tick and in each cicle there are a lot of calculations.

I have a lot of OneChart EA's (Apogeum Price Action and Conservative, Momentum Classic, Evolution Price Action) and they are the same problem: in a OneChartMode worst results. Also I had the same problem with the SFE and Momentum: at OneChartMode some trades are different...

I'm not the first day engaged in the development of experts and I know "what's inside." First of all, this mode, in my opinion, and many traders, for the lazy and for those who do not care about the final result - the main thing is to start work faster and spend a few minutes on installation.
Title: Re: Smart Grid Challenge [via mql5]
Post by: ivanvp on May 27, 2019, 02:09:04 PM

Funny. I talked about the prohibition to put up new positions, but to accompany an open basket of orders before closing at a profit.

Now I am understading what do you mean...
Title: Re: Smart Grid Challenge [via mql5]
Post by: ivanvp on May 27, 2019, 02:12:26 PM
Smart Grid Challenge continues to quietly make a profit. Secure system without increasing the lot size - all trades are fixed lot size. Do not worry about the safety of your funds!

Product page: https://www.mql5.com/en/market/product/37849

(https://donnaforex.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fmypic.online%2Fimg%2F2019-05%2F23%2Fmrgzx0ioc7jmhntb6kdpu7lig.png&hash=1b7b48d1f40bc797d6f05042f55cbcba) (http://mypic.online/)

hmmm don't you mean loss?! The current equity level ( ie how much money you have at this point in time) is nearly 7% lower than balance, and I am currently looking at 2 pages (50 trades per page?) of open trades on MQL5 :o It is so easy to fall in love with grids when the balance continues to grow, but ignoring equity is fatal longer term...my own view is that all systems should be forced to publish only equity curves as found with collective2.

7% isn't a big DD for this kind op systems. Now are opened trades for 16 pairs! So there are no any problems. Actually the DD for each pair isn't bigger then 1%. You should remember:

Smart Grid Challengee don't use martingale (lotsize increase), so it's much more safe! Another Grid's, which are using martingale, with this number of trades and grid size will have a big problems (like Grid King now, wheere author try manually fix crazy DD)...

Thanks - but my point being the system is in loss, not profit - you can't use a positive balance to hide an open account equity loss in the hope they will all eventually close in profit.

It's a Grid systm and it will always have negative equity. t's accumulate trades before close them: more trades in grid - biggest profit.I don’t hide equity - I’m just showing a profit chart, and monitoring is above, where you can see detailed information with account for floating drawdown.
Title: Re: Smart Grid Challenge [via mql5]
Post by: canis on May 27, 2019, 02:18:58 PM

Funny. I talked about the prohibition to put up new positions, but to accompany an open basket of orders before closing at a profit.

Now I am understading what do you mean...

I hope you will implement this feature in the next update of the advisor. :)
Title: Re: Smart Grid Challenge [via mql5]
Post by: petersurrey on May 27, 2019, 04:01:10 PM
Smart Grid Challenge continues to quietly make a profit. Secure system without increasing the lot size - all trades are fixed lot size. Do not worry about the safety of your funds!

Product page: https://www.mql5.com/en/market/product/37849

(https://donnaforex.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fmypic.online%2Fimg%2F2019-05%2F23%2Fmrgzx0ioc7jmhntb6kdpu7lig.png&hash=1b7b48d1f40bc797d6f05042f55cbcba) (http://mypic.online/)

hmmm don't you mean loss?! The current equity level ( ie how much money you have at this point in time) is nearly 7% lower than balance, and I am currently looking at 2 pages (50 trades per page?) of open trades on MQL5 :o It is so easy to fall in love with grids when the balance continues to grow, but ignoring equity is fatal longer term...my own view is that all systems should be forced to publish only equity curves as found with collective2.

7% isn't a big DD for this kind op systems. Now are opened trades for 16 pairs! So there are no any problems. Actually the DD for each pair isn't bigger then 1%. You should remember:

Smart Grid Challengee don't use martingale (lotsize increase), so it's much more safe! Another Grid's, which are using martingale, with this number of trades and grid size will have a big problems (like Grid King now, wheere author try manually fix crazy DD)...

Thanks - but my point being the system is in loss, not profit - you can't use a positive balance to hide an open account equity loss in the hope they will all eventually close in profit.

It's a Grid systm and it will always have negative equity. t's accumulate trades before close them: more trades in grid - biggest profit.I donít hide equity - Iím just showing a profit chart, and monitoring is above, where you can see detailed information with account for floating drawdown.

Thanks but equity is what you have 'left in the bank' after taking into account balance and open positions - you can not say you are generating profits when the equity value is below the deposit amount!

Deposit = 10K
Closed trades = +220
Floating loss = -600
NET LOSS 400 to date...

Assuming you have been trading for about a month it will take another 2 to break even assuming the same performance and providing the floating loss doesn't grow any bigger  - as you say it will always be there -  assuming a 'black swan' doesn't ruin the party!
Title: Re: Smart Grid Challenge [via mql5]
Post by: ivanvp on May 27, 2019, 04:15:57 PM
Smart Grid Challenge continues to quietly make a profit. Secure system without increasing the lot size - all trades are fixed lot size. Do not worry about the safety of your funds!

Product page: https://www.mql5.com/en/market/product/37849

(https://donnaforex.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fmypic.online%2Fimg%2F2019-05%2F23%2Fmrgzx0ioc7jmhntb6kdpu7lig.png&hash=1b7b48d1f40bc797d6f05042f55cbcba) (http://mypic.online/)

hmmm don't you mean loss?! The current equity level ( ie how much money you have at this point in time) is nearly 7% lower than balance, and I am currently looking at 2 pages (50 trades per page?) of open trades on MQL5 :o It is so easy to fall in love with grids when the balance continues to grow, but ignoring equity is fatal longer term...my own view is that all systems should be forced to publish only equity curves as found with collective2.

7% isn't a big DD for this kind op systems. Now are opened trades for 16 pairs! So there are no any problems. Actually the DD for each pair isn't bigger then 1%. You should remember:

Smart Grid Challengee don't use martingale (lotsize increase), so it's much more safe! Another Grid's, which are using martingale, with this number of trades and grid size will have a big problems (like Grid King now, wheere author try manually fix crazy DD)...

Thanks - but my point being the system is in loss, not profit - you can't use a positive balance to hide an open account equity loss in the hope they will all eventually close in profit.

It's a Grid systm and it will always have negative equity. t's accumulate trades before close them: more trades in grid - biggest profit.I donít hide equity - Iím just showing a profit chart, and monitoring is above, where you can see detailed information with account for floating drawdown.

Thanks but equity is what you have 'left in the bank' after taking into account balance and open positions - you can not say you are generating profits when the equity value is below the deposit amount!

Deposit = 10K
Closed trades = +220
Floating loss = -600
NET LOSS 400 to date...

Assuming you have been trading for about a month it will take another 2 to break even assuming the same performance and providing the floating loss doesn't grow any bigger  - as you say it will always be there -  assuming a 'black swan' doesn't ruin the party!

 It's a grid system. It will always have floating DD. You say about equity as a fixed losses, but it is not correct. Now we have only fixed profit.
Title: Re: Smart Grid Challenge [via mql5]
Post by: atomico on May 28, 2019, 08:46:56 AM
good morning Ivan,

i have download your setfiles from mql and executed some backtest with TDS2 on EURUSD, starting capital 5000 EURO, chart M30 and period from 2003 to 2006 and 2005 to 2007...

please, see the attached image, i obtain really strange result... first test have BIG LOSS at the end of 2005...
on second test the LOSS is not present (start from 2005)

why these result? what is wrong?

best regard

Hello, this is really strange. Are you using the latest version of TDS2? One of the reasons is an error during testing, which was observed in versions 2.25-2.29. However, in any case, the results are strange.

It also follows that with such systems all trades are interrelated. But soon will be update and I am sure it will be fixed ;)

hi Ivan,

i have the last stable 2.2.27
i prefer to have the stable version respect the beta.

for what i can know, all it's configured well.
also, i ask to birt for this strange result and i have a different answer from he...
Title: Re: Smart Grid Challenge [via mql5]
Post by: ivanvp on May 28, 2019, 12:31:39 PM
good morning Ivan,

i have download your setfiles from mql and executed some backtest with TDS2 on EURUSD, starting capital 5000 EURO, chart M30 and period from 2003 to 2006 and 2005 to 2007...

please, see the attached image, i obtain really strange result... first test have BIG LOSS at the end of 2005...
on second test the LOSS is not present (start from 2005)

why these result? what is wrong?

best regard

Hello, this is really strange. Are you using the latest version of TDS2? One of the reasons is an error during testing, which was observed in versions 2.25-2.29. However, in any case, the results are strange.

It also follows that with such systems all trades are interrelated. But soon will be update and I am sure it will be fixed ;)

hi Ivan,

i have the last stable 2.2.27
i prefer to have the stable version respect the beta.

for what i can know, all it's configured well.
also, i ask to birt for this strange result and i have a different answer from he...

I said you just a one thing: I had problems with the backtests between versions 2.25 and 2.29. I don't know why. Just a differeentt results... And few people at  market said me about it too...

But next week will be update and I hope there will not any problems with the backtests more ;)
Title: Re: Smart Grid Challenge [via mql5]
Post by: petersurrey on May 29, 2019, 03:15:21 AM
Where did I say equity was a fixed loss? Your account is currently showing a net loss as you have floating drawdown larger than the closed trades - that simple) If you continue to think closed trades are net profit you could presumably continue to build your open losses indefinitely...I agree these will probably close in profit *eventually* but it will probably take months... so the account may start to show a positive *total* net return after several months...providing the market remains favourable...that is the risk..
Title: Re: Smart Grid Challenge [via mql5]
Post by: stefanosb on June 03, 2019, 03:35:06 PM
what about opening trades only in the direction of positive swap?
so the swap helps increasing equity day after day...
Title: Re: Smart Grid Challenge [via mql5]
Post by: ivanvp on June 03, 2019, 06:06:40 PM
what about opening trades only in the direction of positive swap?
so the swap helps increasing equity day after day...

Differrent brokers have different SWAP, but I think, I will be able to implement this function at next updates!
Title: Re: Smart Grid Challenge [via mql5]
Post by: ivanvp on June 03, 2019, 06:16:16 PM
Dear friends,

After 2 months of work, I want to present you a new version of EA - Smart Grid Challenge v.1.1. This version is more stable and adaptive to changing market conditions. The main idea of the adviser remained unchanged: Smart Grid Challenge is still a safe grid strategy that DOES NOT USE MARTINGALE, that is, all transactions are opened with a FIXED LOT WITHOUT INCREASE, which makes the system more secure and stable for long-term work!

Despite user requests, the OneChartMode mechanism was not implemented in this version, since the system is based at ticks, and using this function can significantly impair trading results, as well as lead to unforeseen situations. I continue to adhere to the opinion that this mode of operation makes sense to use EXCLUSIVELY for systems that operate in the ďOpen Price OnlyĒ mode, that is, at the opening of new candles. But I will try to implement OneChartMode at neext updates when I will sure in it.

The following changes are available in this update:


Currently the system supports 15 currency pairs:

AUDCAD, AUDCHF, AUDJPY, AUDNZD, CADCHF, CADJPY, CHFJPY, EURCAD, EURJPY, EURUSD, NZDCAD, NZDCHF, NZDUSD, USDCAD, USDJPY

For now are available 20 preset-files:

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All currency pairs and preset files are organized into various Portfolios.

Conservative portfolio

This portfolio is recommended to be used for small accounts (from $ 2500- $ 3000) and it includes 8 currency pairs, which have the lowest drawdown value and high profit factor:

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Moderate portfolio

This portfolio is recommended to use for medium-sized accounts (from $ 7000- $ 9000). It includes 14 currency pairs, some of which are from the Conservative Portfolio:

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Agressive portfolio

This mode includes 14 currency pairs and is designed for accounts from $ 10,000. Some of the pairs are risky enough to use, but this portfolio is designed to maximize profits!

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Now system is available at MQL5 Market by Special Price - $99!

You can get more info at the product page: https://www.mql5.com/en/market/product/37849 (https://www.mql5.com/en/market/product/37849#!tab=comments&page=1&comment=11931658)
Title: Re: Smart Grid Challenge [via mql5]
Post by: stefanosb on June 05, 2019, 03:05:51 PM
what about opening trades only in the direction of positive swap?
so the swap helps increasing equity day after day...

Differrent brokers have different SWAP, but I think, I will be able to implement this function at next updates!

yest but it is not needed because you con already tell to the mt4 to trade only long or short. What do you think about this strategy to avoid negative swap in grids?
Title: Re: Smart Grid Challenge [via mql5]
Post by: ivanvp on June 05, 2019, 05:46:39 PM
what about opening trades only in the direction of positive swap?
so the swap helps increasing equity day after day...

Differrent brokers have different SWAP, but I think, I will be able to implement this function at next updates!

yest but it is not needed because you con already tell to the mt4 to trade only long or short. What do you think about this strategy to avoid negative swap in grids?

Really it's a good idea to get profit from SWAP. Few years ago I always had manually opened Long positions for AUDUSD/NZDUSD to get swap ;)
Title: Re: Smart Grid Challenge [via mql5]
Post by: stefanosb on June 07, 2019, 12:55:32 PM
Only problem could be that usually there is an high correlation between pairs and direction of positive swap. For example eurusd positive swap short, gbpusd positive swap short etc...
Title: Re: Smart Grid Challenge [via mql5]
Post by: nck on June 07, 2019, 04:12:04 PM
good comments on mql5,looking
Title: Re: Smart Grid Challenge [via mql5]
Post by: ivanvp on June 07, 2019, 09:04:16 PM
Only problem could be that usually there is an high correlation between pairs and direction of positive swap. For example eurusd positive swap short, gbpusd positive swap short etc...

It's a big problem of Forex - all pairs have a big corellation :)
Title: Re: Smart Grid Challenge [via mql5]
Post by: ivanvp on June 10, 2019, 11:52:04 PM
A small update for Smart Grid Challenge:

1. I have reoptimized preset for AUDJPY. Pair become more profitable;
2. I have added new pair: EURNZD.

You can get more info at MQL5 market: https://www.mql5.com/en/market/product/37849
Title: Re: Smart Grid Challenge [via mql5]
Post by: ivanvp on June 30, 2019, 01:46:53 AM
New monitorings are available:

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(https://widgets.myfxbook.com/widgets/3386777/large.jpg) (https://www.myfxbook.com/members/PeregrimEA/smart-grid-challenge-moderate/3386777)