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Title: Swap Master - Market Neutral Arbitrage Trading
Post by: Forex21 on November 12, 2019, 10:44:09 AM
I would like to introduce a new trading concept and software we have been working on the last two years. As the name indicates, it is a swap trading system.

The idea of taking advantage of positive swap rates is of course not new. What is new is that Swap Master is taking advantage of positive swap rates while keeping all trading positions hedged against each other. This means that it does not matter if the price goes up or down. All what matters is that there is a reasonable difference in swap rates.

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The Concept behind Swap Master

There exist significant differences between interest rates and large differences in swap rates between forex brokers. The Swap Master software connects broker accounts with high swap rates and low swap rates to one central unit and then trades them against each other.

What makes the concept and the software unique is the fact that all trading positions are boxed. And with boxed, I mean that they are fully hedged. Always!
This cuts the risk connected with directional trading to ZERO. (1)

The Software

To take advantage of different swap rates, the software connects two or more trading accounts to one central control unit. The control unit manages all trades and monitors all connected trading accounts. Secondary units are used to exchange data with the central unit and to collect data for portfolio research.

While the software is technically very advanced, it is not difficult to use. Both units (Master and Slave) come with graphical user interface, one click buttons for all important functions, detailed documentation and we provide of course full support.

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Profit Potential

Between 4 and 12 percent p. month. While daily gains do not depend on market conditions, they do depend on the complexity of the portfolio, the swap rates, the research quality and of course the position size. Because of it's consistency, gains add up very quickly. Especially when you reinvest them on a quarterly or monthly base.

Strength and Weaknesses

+ All trades are permanently hedged. There is no directional trading risk.

+ Projected returns are very reliable because brokers change their swap rates rarely.

+ Once a portfolio is setup, everything is done by the software.

+ We developed a vast amount security functions to ensure all trades are always under full control of the software.

+ Market volatility is declining. This translates to very few re balancing cycles per year. (1-2 for simple portfolios)

- It is not a system for magic bean believers and needs to be used as intended, If overpowered on underfunded accounts or used for not hedged portfolios it will not end well for the user.

- Sadly, it is not suitable for US traders because the number of brokers what accept US clients is very limited.

More Information

A more detailed description including forward trading results and more screenshots is available on here: Forex21 - Swap Master (https://forex21.com/swapmaster/)

All qualified questions are welcome.

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(1) No Directional Trading Risk does not mean that there is no risk at all and you should bet the farm. The possibility that your broker goes bankrupt and as result you lose a part of your portfolio deposit still exist. However, in comparison with ‘classical’ trading systems the risk is very little.
Title: Re: Swap Master - Market Neutral Arbitrage Trading
Post by: petersurrey on November 12, 2019, 12:13:43 PM
Interesting concept - the obvious question being what is stopping me from finding the best swaps myself using several well-known forex portals? My understanding is that swaps are rollover interest applied at 17.00 EST correct - is that always the case or do different brokers apply different rules ( some average out over several days??) -  how long do trades need to be open to receive interest payments? The obvious risk being one account will be in a losing position which is not hedged at the same broker and therefore at risk if not managed very carefully.
Title: Re: Swap Master - Market Neutral Arbitrage Trading
Post by: Forex21 on November 12, 2019, 01:12:01 PM
Hello Peter.

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The obvious question being what is stopping me from finding the best swaps myself using several well-known forex portals?

Finding the swap differences is not a problem and you are right, you can dig out the information from various portals and verify the information by installing different terminals and checking the contract specifications. It's a bit time consuming but a great way to do research because it provides a deep understanding how different brokers construct their swap rates.

Absolute nothing stops you from doing this and I think it is an excellent research exercise.

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My understanding is that swaps are rollover interest applied at 17.00 EST correct

Yes. (But some brokers handle it a bit different)

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how long do trades need to be open to receive interest payments?

You have to keep the position overnight.

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The obvious risk being one account will be in a losing position which is not hedged at the same broker and therefore at risk if not managed very carefully.

Yes, you are right. That is why we developed the software. Knowing that Swap differences exists is one thing. Being able to trade them in a safe way, with no directional trading risk is another. If you just enter the positions and wait, you will find yourself sooner or later in very bad spot.

My point is that you can trade swaps only safely when you have a central control unit what constantly controls all accounts and trades. And that is what Swap Master is doing. It connects accounts to one central unit and controls and manages even the most little detail of every trade/terminal.
Title: Re: Swap Master - Market Neutral Arbitrage Trading
Post by: petersurrey on November 12, 2019, 01:40:57 PM
Thanks  - OK that is clearer -  so what is to stop a trader opening a trade @ 21.99 and closing it @ 22.01 or after the rollover (some brokers this can be as late as 22.30?) and how does broker T&C's effect this activity - I suppose they still get their spread commission...?
Title: Re: Swap Master - Market Neutral Arbitrage Trading
Post by: Forex21 on November 12, 2019, 02:08:58 PM
Thanks  - OK that is clearer -  so what is to stop a trader opening a trade @ 21.99 and closing it @ 22.01 or after the rollover (some brokers this can be as late as 22.30?) and how does broker T&C's effect this activity - I suppose they still get their spread commission...?

If you do not hedge your trade(s) it might work on some days, on other perhaps not. If you hedge them properly the amount you will pay for spread and commission will eat your profits.

Let's assume the following:
1) You trade a portfolio with 10k.
2) Your portfolio runs on two brokers and consists of three trades.
3) Your portfolio earns 25$ a day. That converts to 7.5% at the end of the month and 138% at the end of one year.

When you open the trades you will have to pay spread and commission. If your spread costs are 30$ and your commission costs are 21$ (7$ per lot and trade) you will loose money if you open and close the trades a few minutes later.

Title: Re: Swap Master - Market Neutral Arbitrage Trading
Post by: nck on November 12, 2019, 02:15:56 PM
looking good bro ,will keep an eye on it
Title: Re: Swap Master - Market Neutral Arbitrage Trading
Post by: FLechdrop on November 12, 2019, 03:13:38 PM
Yes, you are right. That is why we developed the software. Knowing that Swap differences exists is one thing. Being able to trade them in a safe way, with no directional trading risk is another. If you just enter the positions and wait, you will find yourself sooner or later in very bad spot.

Trying to get my head around this strategy. What do you have in mind that would cause you to find yourself in a bad spot?

Other question: what is the recommended account size for what kind of position size? I imagine as the one account is hedged by another account, either one of them has to be able to take a fair amount of DD.
Title: Re: Swap Master - Market Neutral Arbitrage Trading
Post by: felipebr on November 12, 2019, 03:36:39 PM
Good evening guys! Live accounts please?
Title: Re: Swap Master - Market Neutral Arbitrage Trading
Post by: petersurrey on November 12, 2019, 03:49:54 PM
This strategy assumes that both positions ( long and short) will close out at exactly B/E pips after commissions slippage and spreads; which regular arbitragers will know is impossible even with the best execution software; and even allowing for a 0.5 pip difference will sway results in both directions with no guarantee's  - live account please? :)
Title: Re: Swap Master - Market Neutral Arbitrage Trading
Post by: felipebr on November 12, 2019, 04:07:12 PM
This strategy assumes that both positions ( long and short) will close out at exactly B/E pips after commissions slippage and spreads; which regular arbitragers will know is impossible even with the best execution software; and even allowing for a 0.5 pip difference will sway results in both directions with no guarantee's  - live account please? :)

I am afraid you did not fully understand the concept.

Sure, there will be sometimes slippage and some trades will be not executed at the same time but that does not matter at all because your trades will be usually open for many weeks or months.

Okay, what about live accounts to show please?
Title: Re: Swap Master - Market Neutral Arbitrage Trading
Post by: Forex21 on November 12, 2019, 04:12:14 PM
Good evening guys! Live accounts please?

Hi. You can find forward results on our homepage. Here is the link: https://forex21.com/swapmaster/
I will be also posting daily updates here: https://forum.forex21.com/
Title: Re: Swap Master - Market Neutral Arbitrage Trading
Post by: Forex21 on November 12, 2019, 04:14:43 PM
This strategy assumes that both positions ( long and short) will close out at exactly B/E pips after commissions slippage and spreads; which regular arbitragers will know is impossible even with the best execution software; and even allowing for a 0.5 pip difference will sway results in both directions with no guarantee's  - live account please? :)

I am afraid you did not understand the concept fully. This is not an arbitrage system based on latency what tries to shave of some points from lagging price feeds. Trades stay open for many weeks, months and a bit of slippage here and there simple does not matter at all.
Title: Re: Swap Master - Market Neutral Arbitrage Trading
Post by: felipebr on November 12, 2019, 04:17:56 PM
Can you link your live accounts with myfxbook please?
Title: Re: Swap Master - Market Neutral Arbitrage Trading
Post by: reinerh on November 12, 2019, 04:18:52 PM
This strategy assumes that both positions ( long and short) will close out at exactly B/E pips after commissions slippage and spreads; which regular arbitragers will know is impossible even with the best execution software; and even allowing for a 0.5 pip difference will sway results in both directions with no guarantee's  - live account please? :)

i second that, want to see a myfxbook link to live accounts.

also, screenshot below makes no sense to me at all. since a eu buy position does not pay positive swap on any of my brokers, only on sells.

so what kinda broker is that ??

https://gyazo.com/feba2a41690bbdb73dde21f59f17caf9
Title: Re: Swap Master - Market Neutral Arbitrage Trading
Post by: FLechdrop on November 12, 2019, 07:00:37 PM
Yes, you are right. That is why we developed the software. Knowing that Swap differences exists is one thing. Being able to trade them in a safe way, with no directional trading risk is another. If you just enter the positions and wait, you will find yourself sooner or later in very bad spot.

Trying to get my head around this strategy. What do you have in mind that would cause you to find yourself in a bad spot?

Other question: what is the recommended account size for what kind of position size? I imagine as the one account is hedged by another account, either one of them has to be able to take a fair amount of DD.

Did you see my questions, too?

Another one: do you use fixed lot size trades, or is there a percentage option which somehow takes into account both accounts? (Pardon the pun.) If not the latter, then how do you aim for a fixed percentage return over time?
Title: Re: Swap Master - Market Neutral Arbitrage Trading
Post by: Q1200GS on November 12, 2019, 08:00:36 PM
Some thoughts for my understanding:

you need two serious broker with significant differences in plus swap and minus swap
EU broker have a lower leverage than oversea broker
broker A has other prices than broker B
if a trade is closed you have to transfer money from broker A (win) to broker B (loss) to fill up the account
for every trade you have to pay commission and spread (and money transfer costs)
you have to concentrate on one or two pair as you otherwise have to register with many broker with their different swaps. And honestly I dont want deposit 5k or more to a shady oversea broker.

And a lot of math has to be done before you start trading for knowing the lotsize, number of days of open trades before you reach the break even point and so on. And you cant calculate the brokers price differences and latency when trades are closed. Hopefully you have no margin call with the EU broker vs the oversea broker.

Dont get me wrong. The concept is fascinating (like surebets in sportsbetting), but I think in reality its not as easy as it seems. Hopefully I am wrong and I am in the game soon.

Liebe Gruesse.
Title: Re: Swap Master - Market Neutral Arbitrage Trading
Post by: Forex21 on November 12, 2019, 09:12:18 PM
also, screenshot below makes no sense to me at all.

You somehow managed to load the dummy screenshot what was there before the page was published. I cleared the server cache and it should load now the correct screenshot.

i second that, want to see a myfxbook link to live accounts.

While this is a legit request, I cannot help with that at the moment. The problem is that MyFxBook and similar services focus on regular trading figures. They show all kind of complicated figures most traders know little about but they do not allow to merge multiple accounts into on and display swap figures correct.

For a better understanding, please open this screenshot and take a look to the notes. You will see that pretty much every single number is misleading and actually useless when it comes to multi account portfolios.

https://ibb.co/h76W9ZQ

However, I will publish daily updates, screenshots of the master unit and terminals on a daily basis on our support forum and social media. That will allow traders to follow the system closely.
Title: Re: Swap Master - Market Neutral Arbitrage Trading
Post by: Forex21 on November 12, 2019, 09:53:34 PM
Trying to get my head around this strategy. What do you have in mind that would cause you to find yourself in a bad spot?

This would happen if you just start trading swap against each other without a technically safety net. Because in this case, sooner or later one of your accounts will face a margin call and the trades from the other accounts would keep running.

It cannot happen when you trade with Swap Master because the software keeps an eye on everything. If you want, it can ring you out of the bed in case a terminal is disconnected from the broker server for more than 10 seconds.

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Other question: what is the recommended account size for what kind of position size? I imagine as the one account is hedged by another account, either one of them has to be able to take a fair amount of DD.

There is no correct size for all. It depends from several factors.

1) Amount to trade with
If you trade with a small amount you have to trade small. If you trade with a larger amount you can (and should) trade larger.

2) Volatility of your instruments
If you trade instruments with high volatility you will need to trade smaller. If you trade low volatility instruments you can trade larger.

3) Re balancing frequency
If you do not want to re balance your portfolio very often, you have to trade smaller. If you are willing to re balance it every quarter you can trade larger.

Finding the correct size sounds more complicated then it is because swap master calculates margin requirements/volatility for you and shows you and draws you levels on the chart.

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Another one: do you use fixed lot size trades, or is there a percentage option which somehow takes into account both accounts? (Pardon the pun.) If not the latter, then how do you aim for a fixed percentage return over time?

Lots are fixed but you can add/remove size from individual trades or all trades at any time. You can adjust the trade size monthly or simple after every re balancing circle.
Title: Re: Swap Master - Market Neutral Arbitrage Trading
Post by: Forex21 on November 12, 2019, 10:25:33 PM
Some thoughts for my understanding:

you need two serious broker with significant differences in plus swap and minus swap
EU broker have a lower leverage than oversea broker
broker A has other prices than broker B
if a trade is closed you have to transfer money from broker A (win) to broker B (loss) to fill up the account
for every trade you have to pay commission and spread (and money transfer costs)
you have to concentrate on one or two pair as you otherwise have to register with many broker with their different swaps. And honestly I dont want deposit 5k or more to a shady oversea broker.

And a lot of math has to be done before you start trading for knowing the lotsize, number of days of open trades before you reach the break even point and so on. And you cant calculate the brokers price differences and latency when trades are closed. Hopefully you have no margin call with the EU broker vs the oversea broker.

Dont get me wrong. The concept is fascinating (like surebets in sportsbetting), but I think in reality its not as easy as it seems. Hopefully I am wrong and I am in the game soon.

Liebe Gruesse.

Servus!

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you need two serious broker with significant differences in plus swap and minus swap
For me the broker needs to be regulated, the platform needs to be stable, deposits and withdrawals needs to be handled within a reasonable amount of time and the support needs to work.

If the broker is located in Germany (BAFIN regulated) or is located in Australia (ASIC regulated) is not important for me.

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broker A has other prices than broker B
Yes, it is likely that there price feed is slightly different but a pip or two up or down does not matter. Keep in mind that the software is designed for consistent long term gains, not for shaving off a few points here and there.

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if a trade is closed you have to transfer money from broker A (win) to broker B (loss) to fill up the account
Yes, sometimes you have to re balance your portfolio(s). But it is up to you how often you have to do this.

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for every trade you have to pay commission and spread (and money transfer costs)
Yes. A portfolio will need to run 1-2 days to cover execution costs before it starts making money for you. Wire costs are to consider as well, that is correct.

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you have to concentrate on one or two pair as you otherwise have to register with many broker with their different swaps. And honestly I dont want deposit 5k or more to a shady oversea broker.

More accounts does not automatically translate to more opportunities. You can start with two accounts and build from there. Shady brokers should be avoided. Anyway, brokers are not automatically shady when they are located oversea. At least not in my book.

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And a lot of math has to be done before you start trading for knowing the lot size, number of days of open trades before you reach the break even point and so on. And you cant calculate the brokers price differences and latency when trades are closed. Hopefully you have no margin call with the EU broker vs the oversea broker.

Most of the math does the software for you. You will know precisely how much $,% and points your portfolio will make today, next month, next year ...before a trade is entered. And once the trades are placed, the software will babysit trades and terminals. You can define what action should be taken in which situations and when the software should notify you and about what events.

That said. It is an advanced piece of software and there are very few traders who are familiar with this type of trading. So, it takes some time to get familiar with it and learn to use it but it is well worth it.
Title: Re: Swap Master - Market Neutral Arbitrage Trading
Post by: Forex21 on November 12, 2019, 10:28:52 PM
looking good bro ,will keep an eye on it

You are welcome! :)
Title: Re: Swap Master - Market Neutral Arbitrage Trading
Post by: F1Maniac on November 12, 2019, 10:59:17 PM
looking good bro ,will keep an eye on it

You are welcome! :)
so is there a broker list you are providing as part of this EA? or just the tools for lot sizing, open/closing positions based on money management and everything else is manually decided by the trader such as currency pair with biggest divergence?

I do want to note that some brokers do change their swap rate quite often, e.g. CharterPrime - does this software take care of that effectively?
Title: Re: Swap Master - Market Neutral Arbitrage Trading
Post by: Ruairi OPleurisy on November 12, 2019, 11:48:18 PM
Very interesting.  It's clear that trades must be spread over different brokers in order to benefit from different rates of swap.  I had a quick browse of ICM swap rates and have pasted them in below (they are *3 on a Wed night, which needs to be taken into calculations across the other brokers if they do not do the same if ICM were a chosen broker.

You can see why opening two trades together, each in the opposite direction and ech of the same size on the *same* broker isn't going to work as all the sawp rates will be negative for you and you will automatically lose money.

It melts my head a bit to think how it works across different brokers with balanced/hedged trades.  I'd worry that the the rules could change.  I've definitely seen swap rates change in the past though I could not comment on frequency - the suggestion here is that it does not happen often, which may well be the case.  Anyway, here are some ICM swaps for reference (you can check swap in market watch by right clicking an instrument and then left click on 'specification') :-

PRODUCT   LONG   SHORT
AUDUSD   -4.33   0.57
EURUSD   -11.15   5.97
GBPUSD   -8.61   1.90
USDCAD   -0.39   -4.53
USDCHF   5.81   -9.61
USDJPY   4.64   -9.06
AUDCAD   -4.37   -2.53
AUDCHF   1.26   -4.86
AUDJPY   0.28   -4.84
AUDNZD   -3.35   -3.18
CADCHF   2.48   -7.48
CADJPY   1.64   -5.26
CHFJPY   -4.73   -0.74
EURAUD   -9.87   1.95
EURCAD   -12.59   5.11
EURCHF   -1.70   -3.32
EURGBP   -4.92   0.11
EURJPY   -3.39   -1.31
EURNZD   -10.93   2.47
GBPAUD   -6.82   -3.67
GBPCAD   -9.03   0.15
GBPCHF   2.13   -8.89
GBPJPY   0.55   -6.05
GBPNZD   -8.03   -4.17
NZDCAD   -3.62   -1.45
NZDCHF   1.97   -4.75
NZDJPY   0.54   -3.91
NZDUSD   -4.06   0.36

I guess this system would not be limited to forex instruments if swap is also applied to others - never really looked at that before.
Title: Re: Swap Master - Market Neutral Arbitrage Trading
Post by: Forex21 on November 13, 2019, 07:01:41 AM
looking good bro ,will keep an eye on it

You are welcome! :)
so is there a broker list you are providing as part of this EA? or just the tools for lot sizing, open/closing positions based on money management and everything else is manually decided by the trader such as currency pair with biggest divergence?

I do want to note that some brokers do change their swap rate quite often, e.g. CharterPrime - does this software take care of that effectively?

We share some of our portfolio research and provide detailed information how the research is done.

Regarding swap rates: My experience is that they change their swap rates maybe 1-2 times a year and usually the changes are marginal. The only broker I know what changes the rates often (in comparison with others) is Dukascopy. Maybe Charterprime is a white label partner from them. Dukascopy is still a great choice because they pay higher swap then most brokers. If this Charterprime broker offers in average low or high rates it is not a problem when there are some small changes from time to time. But if they change the swap rates randomly (like today they pay me 98 points and tomorrow i have to pay 84 points, I would not use them to trade swaps with.

Also, please note that 3 day swap days are not based on swap changes.
Title: Re: Swap Master - Market Neutral Arbitrage Trading
Post by: Forex21 on November 13, 2019, 07:26:18 AM
Very interesting.  It's clear that trades must be spread over different brokers in order to benefit from different rates of swap.  I had a quick browse of ICM swap rates and have pasted them in below (they are *3 on a Wed night, which needs to be taken into calculations across the other brokers if they do not do the same if ICM were a chosen broker.

You can see why opening two trades together, each in the opposite direction and ech of the same size on the *same* broker isn't going to work as all the sawp rates will be negative for you and you will automatically lose money.

It melts my head a bit to think how it works across different brokers with balanced/hedged trades.  I'd worry that the the rules could change.  I've definitely seen swap rates change in the past though I could not comment on frequency - the suggestion here is that it does not happen often, which may well be the case.  Anyway, here are some ICM swaps for reference (you can check swap in market watch by right clicking an instrument and then left click on 'specification') :-

PRODUCT   LONG   SHORT
AUDUSD   -4.33   0.57
EURUSD   -11.15   5.97
GBPUSD   -8.61   1.90
USDCAD   -0.39   -4.53
USDCHF   5.81   -9.61
USDJPY   4.64   -9.06
AUDCAD   -4.37   -2.53
AUDCHF   1.26   -4.86
AUDJPY   0.28   -4.84
AUDNZD   -3.35   -3.18
CADCHF   2.48   -7.48
CADJPY   1.64   -5.26
CHFJPY   -4.73   -0.74
EURAUD   -9.87   1.95
EURCAD   -12.59   5.11
EURCHF   -1.70   -3.32
EURGBP   -4.92   0.11
EURJPY   -3.39   -1.31
EURNZD   -10.93   2.47
GBPAUD   -6.82   -3.67
GBPCAD   -9.03   0.15
GBPCHF   2.13   -8.89
GBPJPY   0.55   -6.05
GBPNZD   -8.03   -4.17
NZDCAD   -3.62   -1.45
NZDCHF   1.97   -4.75
NZDJPY   0.54   -3.91
NZDUSD   -4.06   0.36

I guess this system would not be limited to forex instruments if swap is also applied to others - never really looked at that before.

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Very interesting.  It's clear that trades must be spread over different brokers in order to benefit from different rates of swap.  I had a quick browse of ICM swap rates and have pasted them in below (they are *3 on a Wed night, which needs to be taken into calculations across the other brokers if they do not do the same if ICM were a chosen broker.

3 day rates are considered, yes.

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You can see why opening two trades together, each in the opposite direction and ech of the same size on the *same* broker isn't going to work as all the sawp rates will be negative for you and you will automatically lose money.

Well, that would be to easy. :)

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It melts my head a bit to think how it works across different brokers with balanced/hedged trades.

Yes, it is a bit confusing at the beginning. Here is how it works. There are two units. The master unit and the secondary unit (slave). The slave unit run on the terminals you use for the portfolio. They execute trade commands, collect data and they are used for research. The master unit controls the slaves, monitors all details, does all calculations and takes predefined action if necessary.

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I guess this system would not be limited to forex instruments if swap is also applied to others - never really looked at that before.

It is not limited to fx instruments but they are the first choice. Other instruments have usually negative rates on both sides.

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It melts my head a bit to think how it works across different brokers with balanced/hedged trades.  I'd worry that the the rules could change.  I've definitely seen swap rates change in the past though I could not comment on frequency - the suggestion here is that it does not happen often, which may well be the case.  Anyway, here are some ICM swaps for reference (you can check swap in market watch by right clicking an instrument and then left click on 'specification') :-

It is exceedingly complicated when you do all the calculations by hand or with an excel sheet but as Swap Master does all the math for you and puts the data to a central interface it is not difficult to manage.

Rules change of course over time. Some of the older portfolios pay now more and others a bit less. The good news is that changes happen not very often and if rates change, they change slowly. That gives us plenty of time to make adjustments and find new opportunities when necessary.
Title: Re: Swap Master - Market Neutral Arbitrage Trading
Post by: Foxy_Trader on November 13, 2019, 10:35:26 AM
Ooohhhh... new candy!! Looks tasty  ;)
How much money must be in a portfolio turnover minimally?
Title: Re: Swap Master - Market Neutral Arbitrage Trading
Post by: petersurrey on November 13, 2019, 11:17:45 AM
Can you provide a worked example without giving away brokers names etc assuming a 10K total deposit?

ASIC brokers usually allow 500:1 so presumably you could use a much lower deposit with those.  Say along the lines of:

10K account
Deposit X amount with broker A @ 500:1 (ASICS with lower swaps) ?
Deposit Y amount with broker B @ 33:1   (non ASIC higher swaps) ?
Total hold period in days approx?
% TP for A  ?
% SL for B (must agree with A) ?

My concern is that as only non ASIC low leverage brokers offer decent swap and a 5K @33:1 account trading one full lot would allow a maximum of just 200 pips DD before a margin call...

Say you manage to get a net 4% benefit over 5 days trading one lot  = $55 ( 100000*.04/365*5) you would need very tight closure slippage difference to avoid eating into your profits; and although $200 -300 per month is OK your figures assume compounding will be a major influence on long term growth....








Title: Re: Swap Master - Market Neutral Arbitrage Trading
Post by: Forex21 on November 13, 2019, 12:33:21 PM
Can you provide a worked example without giving away brokers names etc assuming a 10K total deposit?

ASIC brokers usually allow 500:1 so presumably you could use a much lower deposit with those.  Say along the lines of:

10K account
Deposit X amount with broker A @ 500:1 (ASICS with lower swaps) ?
Deposit Y amount with broker B @ 33:1   (non ASIC higher swaps) ?
Total hold period in days approx?
% TP for A  ?
% SL for B (must agree with A) ?

My concern is that as only non ASIC low leverage brokers offer decent swap and a 5K @33:1 account trading one full lot would allow a maximum of just 200 pips DD before a margin call...

Say you manage to get a net 4% benefit over 5 days trading one lot  = $55 ( 100000*.04/365*5) you would need very tight closure slippage difference to avoid eating into your profits; and although $200 -300 per month is OK your figures assume compounding will be a major influence on long term growth....

Hello Peter.


1) The Fx Brokers world is not simple ASICS and not ASICS regulated. And it is not like ASICS broker offer 1:500 leverage and all other 1:33. Bottom line is that there is no need to have an account with super high leverage and at the same time it does not make any sense to use an account with very low leverage. Except the broker would offer very beneficial rates.

2) Brokers set their rates by themselves. There is no correlation between swap rates and ASICS regulation. There is however a correlation between interest rates and swap rates.

3) There is no fixed SL or TP where a trade will get closed because a certain price is reached. A portfolio is dynamic and so are the levels where trades needs to be modified, partially or completely closed. That's why it is not advisable to simple search swap differences and then wing it. There really is a lot more to it and it is hard to do without a proper software.

4) You do not make 4% within 5 days. That would translate to 24% at then end of the month and is not a realistic figure for this system. At least not if you use it as intended and keep all positions fully hedged.

5) Slippage is nothing I would be worry about. A typical portfolio would run for 3 months or longer without any changes. A portfolio what targets 7% p months would consists of 5 positions shared on 2 or 3 broker accounts. If you start with 10k, your portfolio will be 2100$ up after 3 month. If all your trades will be closed with slippage of lets say 20$/trade, it will costs you 100$. So instead of 2100$ you will be left with a gain of 2000$. Could be worse...beside I don't think that slippage costs of 100$ are a realistic figure for 5 trades.

But those who are concerned about can trade smaller and keep positions longer. There are lots of options available to adjust the system to individual preferences.

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Can you provide a worked example without giving away brokers names etc assuming a 10K total deposit?

I think i added one to the first post (the one labeled standard portfolio). More examples are on the system description page available.


Title: Re: Swap Master - Market Neutral Arbitrage Trading
Post by: Forex21 on November 13, 2019, 12:37:26 PM
Ooohhhh... new candy!! Looks tasty  ;)
How much money must be in a portfolio turnover minimally?


Hello Foxy. Good to read you.

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How much money must be in a portfolio turnover minimally?

1000$ is the recommended minimum.
Title: Re: Swap Master - Market Neutral Arbitrage Trading
Post by: FLechdrop on November 13, 2019, 12:41:55 PM
Thanks for answering my questions.

How long have you been running this strategy and has it been working consistently?

I.e. are there always opportunities available where you can find a higher positive swap versus a lower negative swap?
Title: Re: Swap Master - Market Neutral Arbitrage Trading
Post by: drunkfx on November 13, 2019, 01:16:29 PM
The problem with this strategy is that brokers mostly prohibit swap arbitrage. But you will find it later, when you manage to make money and send withdrawal request. Tried numerous times.

First problem to make good money (not pennies) on swaps you need to catch periods of low volatility & combined with use of high leverage. Otherwise transaction costs on exotics will eat much of your profit. And you know that predicting times of low volatility is practically impossibly.
And secondly brokers are aware of this strategy. You will need to mix your trades with other trades to avoid making impression that you try to profit from arbitrage.
Bottom line: this strategy is hardly profitable.
Title: Re: Swap Master - Market Neutral Arbitrage Trading
Post by: Forex21 on November 13, 2019, 01:20:18 PM
Thanks for answering my questions.

How long have you been running this strategy and has it been working consistently?

I started to do swap research 2 years ago and tried to trade it manually and later with excel support. About a year ago I started to develop the system in it's actual form.

Yes, it has been working consistently. Markets and interest rates are of course dynamic and change. Some portfolios show now better numbers than a year ago and some show lower numbers.

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I.e. are there always opportunities available where you can find a higher positive swap versus a lower negative swap?

Since I follow interest rates and swap rates closely there where always plenty of opportunities. And though there are no historical swap data available, I did take a close look to historical interest rates and what I learned is that those opportunities existed also 5 years and 10 years ago.

Personally I am sure that they exists not only now but also in 2 years and 5 years from now. But still, there is no way to be 100% sure.


If you would like to get an idea about interest rate differences over time, take a look there: https://www.earnforex.com/interest-rates-table/


Title: Re: Swap Master - Market Neutral Arbitrage Trading
Post by: FLechdrop on November 13, 2019, 02:06:52 PM
Thanks for giving straightforward answers. My fear would be all interest rates are going to zero now (or below) and differences would be reduced. But if so, that will probably at some point lead to a disaster which would reset the whole thing and make rates go up again.
Title: Re: Swap Master - Market Neutral Arbitrage Trading
Post by: Forex21 on November 14, 2019, 07:22:58 AM
The problem with this strategy is that brokers mostly prohibit swap arbitrage.

This is the most stupid thing I have read since a long time. Because if this would be true, brokers would not allow you to keep any position with positive swap overnight.

Please, next time when you try to look smart. Try harder drunkfx.
Title: Re: Swap Master - Market Neutral Arbitrage Trading
Post by: Forex21 on November 14, 2019, 07:28:04 AM
Thanks for giving straightforward answers. My fear would be all interest rates are going to zero now (or below) and differences would be reduced. But if so, that will probably at some point lead to a disaster which would reset the whole thing and make rates go up again.

Theoretically, it is possible that all countries cut their rates to zero but I am certain this is not going to happen. When we look to historical interest rates (and interest rates and swap rates correlate), the situation is always the same. When some rates go up, others go down and vice versa.

Right now, the US rates are going down. This decreases the profitability of the very simple EURUSD <> portfolio but increases the profitability of other portfolios. So, the game stays the same. Only the players change over time.
Title: Re: Swap Master - Market Neutral Arbitrage Trading
Post by: Ned12 on November 14, 2019, 09:36:10 AM
Ok, I have it.
Do I need to open accounts by exactly that brokers mentioned in your user guide or can I use my accounts that I have?
Title: Re: Swap Master - Market Neutral Arbitrage Trading
Post by: Forex21 on November 14, 2019, 10:11:24 AM
Ok, I have it.
Do I need to open accounts by exactly that brokers mentioned in your user guide or can I use my accounts that I have?

You can use the portfolio/broker combinations we provide in the user guide, use your existing accounts (if suitable) or do your own research. How do conduct your own research is also described in the user guide.

Portfolio examples will be also posted on our support forum. Here is the link: https://forum.forex21.com/index.php (https://forum.forex21.com/index.php)

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Edit: Just figured out that the portfolio section on the forum is only visible for Swap Master users. Anyway, there will be lots of additional information collected.
Title: Re: Swap Master - Market Neutral Arbitrage Trading
Post by: iMusingKiMi on November 14, 2019, 03:20:07 PM
It is pretty pretty similar to what we describe as "Vanilla Swaps". There are 2 primary risk on this strategy, interest rate risk and credit risk, which also commonly known as counterparty risk. I think the major concern here are more on the chosen forex broker goes default on its responsibility.
Title: Re: Swap Master - Market Neutral Arbitrage Trading
Post by: petersurrey on November 14, 2019, 05:10:16 PM
Thanks for the responses Forex21 - much appreciated and this is definitely worth further investigation. My main concern would be being stuck with a dodgy broker, who either decides to start playing games with execution or withdrawals....so the more actual examples and verified results would help to reassure. I am well aware there is no 'free lunch' and risk is all part of forex, but this is a relatively new and 'untried' concept without any live account records to date, so I will watch this space for a while longer.
Title: Re: Swap Master - Market Neutral Arbitrage Trading
Post by: Ned12 on November 14, 2019, 06:14:21 PM
Ok, I have it.
Do I need to open accounts by exactly that brokers mentioned in your user guide or can I use my accounts that I have?

You can use the portfolio/broker combinations we provide in the user guide, use your existing accounts (if suitable) or do your own research. How do conduct your own research is also described in the user guide.

Portfolio examples will be also posted on our support forum. Here is the link: https://forum.forex21.com/index.php (https://forum.forex21.com/index.php)

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Edit: Just figured out that the portfolio section on the forum is only visible for Swap Master users. Anyway, there will be lots of additional information collected.

Thank you. I decided to run my portfolio based on your research and applied for the accounts by the brokers mentioned in the user guide. 
Title: Re: Swap Master - Market Neutral Arbitrage Trading
Post by: Ned12 on November 14, 2019, 06:25:57 PM
Thanks for the responses Forex21 - much appreciated and this is definitely worth further investigation. My main concern would be being stuck with a dodgy broker, who either decides to start playing games with execution or withdrawals....so the more actual examples and verified results would help to reassure. I am well aware there is no 'free lunch' and risk is all part of forex, but this is a relatively new and 'untried' concept without any live account records to date, so I will watch this space for a while longer.
As far as I understood the positions will not run both directions at the same broker. Hedging will not be recognized.
Title: Re: Swap Master - Market Neutral Arbitrage Trading
Post by: FLechdrop on November 14, 2019, 07:33:35 PM
Looked at the forum for a moment. I notice that apparently sometimes you sell one pair while buying another with the same base currency. How does that work?
Title: Re: Swap Master - Market Neutral Arbitrage Trading
Post by: Forex21 on November 14, 2019, 08:55:33 PM
Looked at the forum for a moment. I notice that apparently sometimes you sell one pair while buying another with the same base currency. How does that work?

I am not sure if I understand you correctly. Can you provide an example?
Title: Re: Swap Master - Market Neutral Arbitrage Trading
Post by: FLechdrop on November 14, 2019, 09:00:14 PM
Looked at the forum for a moment. I notice that apparently sometimes you sell one pair while buying another with the same base currency. How does that work?

I am not sure if I understand you correctly. Can you provide an example?

I saw things like:

Short USD/MXN 0.1 lots
Long USD/JPY 0.1 lots

But I guess I overlooked the next post, which makes clear that this was part of a 'complex' portfolio of three pairs:

Short USD/MXN
Long USD/JPY
Short MXN/JPY

So that explains. Interesting!
Title: Re: Swap Master - Market Neutral Arbitrage Trading
Post by: Forex21 on November 14, 2019, 09:23:26 PM
Looked at the forum for a moment. I notice that apparently sometimes you sell one pair while buying another with the same base currency. How does that work?

I am not sure if I understand you correctly. Can you provide an example?

I saw things like:

Short USD/MXN 0.1 lots
Long USD/JPY 0.1 lots

But I guess I overlooked the next post, which makes clear that this was part of a 'complex' portfolio of three pairs:

Short USD/MXN
Long USD/JPY
Short MXN/JPY

So that explains. Interesting!

Now I am on the same page :)
While this is a valid example, it is nothing I would trade because exotic crosses like MXNJPY have high execution costs and are not offered by many brokers. But still, it is a very good example how portfolios are put together.
Title: Re: Swap Master - Market Neutral Arbitrage Trading
Post by: envisage on November 15, 2019, 02:40:59 AM
Hi guys,

Looks great!

You talk of slave and master units and also a "Central Control Unit" ... Do the EAs rely/are controlled by your servers/systems or do the EAs simply talk to each other and there's no other third party?

Just wondering if the EAs are independent or still need your systems/servers to work?

Many thanks!
Title: Re: Swap Master - Market Neutral Arbitrage Trading
Post by: Forex21 on November 15, 2019, 04:28:24 PM
Thank you. I decided to run my portfolio based on your research and applied for the accounts by the brokers mentioned in the user guide.

Great.

As far as I understood the positions will not run both directions at the same broker. Hedging will not be recognized.

Hedging wont be recognized but there is nothing what you needs to be hidden from the broker. We do not try to exploit some weaknesses in the MT4 structure to shave off some points here and there or trick around. We do not apply for islamic swap free accounts and then take advantage of the broker or anything like this.

What we do with Swap Master is proper trading.





Title: Re: Swap Master - Market Neutral Arbitrage Trading
Post by: Forex21 on November 15, 2019, 04:40:08 PM
Hi guys,

Looks great!

You talk of slave and master units and also a "Central Control Unit" ... Do the EAs rely/are controlled by your servers/systems or do the EAs simply talk to each other and there's no other third party?

Just wondering if the EAs are independent or still need your systems/servers to work?

Many thanks!

There are two units:

1) The main (master) unit. I call it sometimes central control unit.
That is the unit what manages trades and terminals.

2) The secondary (slave) unit(s).
This unit(s) execute commands from the master unit and provides data to the master unit.

The system connects to our secure license server to validate your license. No other data are sent to our server or any other third party.
Title: Re: Swap Master - Market Neutral Arbitrage Trading
Post by: Nasdaq100 on November 15, 2019, 06:13:40 PM
So as far as I understood you open 2 positions in two different pairs in broker A, and 1 position in broker B

Correct?

Do you help with broker suggestions and which pair to trade?

Could you please share one single trade set up on two different brokers to check their swaps and calculate the feasibility?

Thank you
Title: Re: Swap Master - Market Neutral Arbitrage Trading
Post by: dutchie on November 15, 2019, 08:59:29 PM
Just wondering: will broker keep paying +swap when the amount on my account grows on a daily base.
I guess it's their money they have to pay me.
they might be tempted to lower it a little on a daily base.
 
Title: Re: Swap Master - Market Neutral Arbitrage Trading
Post by: petersurrey on November 16, 2019, 10:42:11 AM
Just wondering: will broker keep paying +swap when the amount on my account grows on a daily base.
I guess it's their money they have to pay me.
they might be tempted to lower it a little on a daily base.

Your positive swap account may lose money on the trade  - either way the broker makes money on the spread and shouldn't have an issue wither way.
Title: Re: Swap Master - Market Neutral Arbitrage Trading
Post by: petersurrey on November 16, 2019, 11:17:11 PM
another question:) I can get approx 30% swap rate on a short USDMXN on one regulated well-known broker and zero on a hedge buy on another well known regulated broker; so what is to stop me just making that trade and sitting on it for a year 1 full lot = 30K?
Title: Re: Swap Master - Market Neutral Arbitrage Trading
Post by: dutchie on November 17, 2019, 10:21:22 AM
another question:) I can get approx 30% swap rate on a short USDMXN on one regulated well-known broker and zero on a hedge buy on another well known regulated broker; so what is to stop me just making that trade and sitting on it for a year 1 full lot = 30K?
And there are many other pairs on which you can do the same: EURTRY, EURZAR, USDRUB etc.
I guess the costs will be pretty high but on the long term the swap will override these costs
Are these pairs a part of the Swap Master strategy?
Title: Re: Swap Master - Market Neutral Arbitrage Trading
Post by: Forex21 on November 17, 2019, 12:54:37 PM
another question:) I can get approx 30% swap rate on a short USDMXN on one regulated well-known broker and zero on a hedge buy on another well known regulated broker; so what is to stop me just making that trade and sitting on it for a year 1 full lot = 30K?

Swap rates are provided in three different format. xy % swap rate is none of them.

so what is to stop me just making that trade and sitting on it for a year 1 full lot = 30K?

Nothing stop you. As I wrote in a more detailed answer earlier, if you believe that it is that easy, go for it.

I can get approx 30% swap rate on a short USDMXN on one regulated well-known broker and zero on a hedge buy on another well known regulated broker;

Not a single regulated broker will give you a free ride when it comes to swaps. Some may call it different and will not charge you swap rate but will call it a overnight holding fee or something like this. Keep in mind that because there is no swap defined in the contract specification, it does not mean that there are no overnight holding costs.

If there is no swap, there will be swap, just with a different name. And if there is non at all,t he broker is most likely a bucket shop.

You could try of course to use a swap free account (islamic account) for one side but that is a recipe for disaster.
Title: Re: Swap Master - Market Neutral Arbitrage Trading
Post by: Forex21 on November 17, 2019, 01:10:09 PM
And there are many other pairs on which you can do the same: EURTRY, EURZAR, USDRUB etc.
I guess the costs will be pretty high but on the long term the swap will override these costs
Are these pairs a part of the Swap Master strategy?

TRY is possible to trade but VERY volatile. So it is a bit of a hot piece of iron. But, yes....TRY does have potential.
ZAR can work when combined with other instruments. Though it is certainly not my favorite trading vehicle.
RUB I love the interest rate and it might work when paired with other instruments but many brokers offer only restricted access (like limited trading hours) and that is not a sexy thing when it comes to swap trading.

To sum it up. Single instrument portfolios can work but they have limitations. But still, they are great to understand the basics about the concept.
Title: Re: Swap Master - Market Neutral Arbitrage Trading
Post by: petersurrey on November 17, 2019, 03:50:01 PM
Wow this is LOT more complex than you think...yes you were right zero swaps on the currency spec doesn't actually mean zero which is VERY misleading...with brokers such as AXI and Darwinex using this misleadingly...and others are multiplying usual swaps by ten! SO yes there are opportunities for those with a lot of time and patience to research but my guess is this software seriously reduces timescales...and possible errors..
Title: Re: Swap Master - Market Neutral Arbitrage Trading
Post by: dutchie on November 17, 2019, 07:00:14 PM
I will give it a try.
Mainly because I love the concept behind it and because I made my own two EA's a couple of years ago which are also working on pos. swaps pairs also.
One EA opens a trade based on an algorythm.
The second EA closes a basket when it reach a specific amount of money
The basket ia a  mix of winning trades and (partly) losing trades.
Swap Master goes a step further then my own concept and therefore worth trying it
Title: Re: Swap Master - Market Neutral Arbitrage Trading
Post by: Foxy_Trader on November 18, 2019, 10:41:50 AM
I will give it a try too with 1500 USD invested capital.
Will 1500 USD do? I like the idea a lot!
Title: Re: Swap Master - Market Neutral Arbitrage Trading
Post by: petersurrey on November 18, 2019, 11:28:16 AM
Further feedback on this for those who are interested - the figures you see published by myfxbook are, to the most part, out of date and inaccurate - so one broker may have a +6 swap rate and another -1 in the other direction BUT you later find that the -1 is actually -11, and so useless for pairing. This is repeated again and again so you need your own customsied version which I guess is what this service offers. The other thing is that some brokers publish their swaps as factor of ten higher than others; so Rakuten and Global Prime may have what you think are amazing swaps, until you discover they are not so amazing when taking this into account and making realistic comparisons. Taking all of this into account I couldn't find a decent swap pair using conventional resources, so if this service can it is worth the fee!
Title: Re: Swap Master - Market Neutral Arbitrage Trading
Post by: dutchie on November 18, 2019, 11:55:43 AM
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I will be also posting daily updates here: https://forum.forex21.com/
Hi Alexander,
I'm visiting the forum on a daily base, but haven't seen any daily updates so far.
When will you start with this?
Title: Re: Swap Master - Market Neutral Arbitrage Trading
Post by: Forex21 on November 18, 2019, 02:21:21 PM
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I will be also posting daily updates here: https://forum.forex21.com/
Hi Alexander,
I'm visiting the forum on a daily base, but haven't seen any daily updates so far.
When will you start with this?

Hello dutchie.

at the moment I am in the process of adding portfolio and broker info the Swap Master group right now. Please check again in a couple of hours.

Thank You!
 :)
Title: Re: Swap Master - Market Neutral Arbitrage Trading
Post by: petersurrey on November 18, 2019, 02:54:17 PM
Interesting - just called a couple of brokers and they are quite reticent to discuss swap rates and just advised  that is the rate the LP's charge and direct towards their published figures...but couldn't explain why their rate was ten times more than a competitor (for example) even though they all report in 'points'....
Title: Re: Swap Master - Market Neutral Arbitrage Trading
Post by: dutchie on November 18, 2019, 05:50:58 PM
Interesting - just called a couple of brokers and they are quite reticent to discuss swap rates and just advised  that is the rate the LP's charge and direct towards their published figures...but couldn't explain why their rate was ten times more than a competitor (for example) even though they all report in 'points'....
Which means that they don't know what they are selling?
"My work is so secret that even I don't know what I'm doing"
Title: Re: Swap Master - Market Neutral Arbitrage Trading
Post by: dutchie on November 18, 2019, 06:01:49 PM
Hi Alexander,
Want to buy the Swap Master and noticed that the payments wll be done through Click2Sell.
And, wow a payment system on a non-sucured domain: http://www.click2sell.eu/
is there another way to buy Swap Master?
I really dont like payment systems working on a non secure domain.....
Title: Re: Swap Master - Market Neutral Arbitrage Trading
Post by: Forex21 on November 18, 2019, 07:49:07 PM
Hi Alexander,
Want to buy the Swap Master and noticed that the payments wll be done through Click2Sell.
And, wow a payment system on a non-sucured domain: http://www.click2sell.eu/
is there another way to buy Swap Master?
I really dont like payment systems working on a non secure domain.....

Hello Dutchie.

Yes, the Click2Sell website runs on http. That is indeed a bit 2010.  :o

However, the payment process is properly secured. You can go to the system description page and check the payment link. https://forex21.com/swapmaster/ (https://forex21.com/swapmaster/)

Other payment options are available too. See PM.

I hope this helps!
Alexander
Title: Re: Swap Master - Market Neutral Arbitrage Trading
Post by: dutchie on November 18, 2019, 08:51:52 PM
Hi Alexander,
Want to buy the Swap Master and noticed that the payments wll be done through Click2Sell.
And, wow a payment system on a non-sucured domain: http://www.click2sell.eu/
is there another way to buy Swap Master?
I really dont like payment systems working on a non secure domain.....

Hello Dutchie.

Yes, the Click2Sell website runs on http. That is indeed a bit 2010.  :o

However, the payment process is properly secured. You can go to the system description page and check the payment link. https://forex21.com/swapmaster/ (https://forex21.com/swapmaster/)

Other payment options are available too. See PM.

I hope this helps!
Alexander
Thanks Alexander!
Title: Re: Swap Master - Market Neutral Arbitrage Trading
Post by: Forex21 on November 18, 2019, 09:23:59 PM
Interesting - just called a couple of brokers and they are quite reticent to discuss swap rates and just advised  that is the rate the LP's charge and direct towards their published figures...but couldn't explain why their rate was ten times more than a competitor (for example) even though they all report in 'points'....
Which means that they don't know what they are selling?
"My work is so secret that even I don't know what I'm doing"

I think that the support desk is not used to answer swap questions. It is something what is certainly not on their f.a.q list.

Thanks Alexander!

You are welcome! :)
Title: Re: Swap Master - Market Neutral Arbitrage Trading
Post by: dutchie on November 18, 2019, 09:53:17 PM
Okay, here we go.
I bought the Swap Master this evening and will start working with it in the next days or so.
No problem sharing my future experience and profits with you all on this great forum.
Title: Re: Swap Master - Market Neutral Arbitrage Trading
Post by: LitnerGo on November 18, 2019, 10:12:41 PM
Is there only 10 Days Unconditional Refund Policy?
Title: Re: Swap Master - Market Neutral Arbitrage Trading
Post by: diyforexskills on November 18, 2019, 10:44:34 PM
Interesting - just called a couple of brokers and they are quite reticent to discuss swap rates and just advised  that is the rate the LP's charge and direct towards their published figures...but couldn't explain why their rate was ten times more than a competitor (for example) even though they all report in 'points'....
Which means that they don't know what they are selling?
"My work is so secret that even I don't know what I'm doing"

Swap rates is something we need to watch. I once discovered that several common pairs were having negative swaps on both long and short. I challenged the broker and they admitted there was a glitch, and they did fix it. When we challenged another broker and showed them the comparisons with several other brokers, they did end up improving theirs. It pays to be vigilant and challenge.
Title: Re: Swap Master - Market Neutral Arbitrage Trading
Post by: F1Maniac on November 19, 2019, 07:19:25 AM
Is there only 10 Days Unconditional Refund Policy?
I've just bought it... its a great money management tool if it does indeed auto close the trades/manage the trades. It's still a heck of a lot of a manual work still to find something worthwhile, when you do you still have invest heavily to avoid closing out trades in short time frame as there mostly are opportunities in exotics.

the broker in their sample are not from well regulated areas so can show much more profitability than usual regulated brokers where the differences on swap rates are very marginal if not mostly negatives. These brokers have a lot of scam accusations including false advertising on forexpeacearmy, etc for denying withdrawals and any number of those when you are consistently making money with a bucket shop.

my 2cents is that its probably worth the $$ for what they've built, its still a lot of manual research on brokers, their swap rates, reputability and pairs that can be profitable. then you've still got to keep with rebalancing, so its by no means a set and forget. I am still considering if this is something i would use in the medium to short term
Title: Re: Swap Master - Market Neutral Arbitrage Trading
Post by: Stephan09 on November 19, 2019, 09:20:48 AM
Hi all :)
I also bought Swap Master just now. I have never seen anything like it earlier, what a great tool!!
I see many here have it too, so I wanted to ask for advice.
What would be a suitable and mainly safe position size for the portfolio with 2000 € each account?
Thank you.
Title: Re: Swap Master - Market Neutral Arbitrage Trading
Post by: F1Maniac on November 19, 2019, 10:24:44 AM
Hi all :)
I also bought Swap Master just now. I have never seen anything like it earlier, what a great tool!!
I see many here have it too, so I wanted to ask for advice.
What would be a suitable and mainly safe position size for the portfolio with 2000 € each account?
Thank you.
this would depend on your lot sizing and i would size the lot based on the quarterly range of the pair you are choosing.
Title: Re: Swap Master - Market Neutral Arbitrage Trading
Post by: petersurrey on November 19, 2019, 10:46:12 AM
Lots sizing would be a combination of capital, ADR and leverage  - so a 500:1 & 2K funded account with a 100K position needs only 200-300 USD margin; allowing 1800 wiggle room for the trade or approx 180 pips, which is way outside the usual ADR and shouldn't require too much resetting. This is a very SIMPLE example and you need to allow for NFP/FMOC and more volatile currencies etc, but even so because the accounts are balanced there would only be the hassle of re-setting as far as I can make out...

https://uk.investing.com/tools/forex-volatility-calculator

Title: Re: Swap Master - Market Neutral Arbitrage Trading
Post by: Stephan09 on November 19, 2019, 11:05:22 AM
Lots sizing would be a combination of capital, ADR and leverage  - so a 500:1 & 2K funded account with a 100K position needs only 200-300 USD margin; allowing 1800 wiggle room for the trade or approx 180 pips, which is way outside the usual ADR and shouldn't require too much resetting. This is a very SIMPLE example and you need to allow for NFP/FMOC and more volatile currencies etc, but even so because the accounts are balanced there would only be the hassle of re-setting as far as I can make out...

https://uk.investing.com/tools/forex-volatility-calculator

Thank you very much for this clarification, I am not so good with numbers unfortunately.
While I do understand the swap idea and it is all clear here, the money management preparations are tough.
What I found as awesome function in this system is the grey line that means a possible margin call and it moves if I change the lot size.
This is easy to understand for me  ;D
Title: Re: Swap Master - Market Neutral Arbitrage Trading
Post by: Stephan09 on November 19, 2019, 11:06:43 AM
Hi all :)
I also bought Swap Master just now. I have never seen anything like it earlier, what a great tool!!
I see many here have it too, so I wanted to ask for advice.
What would be a suitable and mainly safe position size for the portfolio with 2000 € each account?
Thank you.
this would depend on your lot sizing and i would size the lot based on the quarterly range of the pair you are choosing.
Yes, you are right!! This is exactly what I did playing with grey line  ;D
Title: Re: Swap Master - Market Neutral Arbitrage Trading
Post by: dutchie on November 19, 2019, 09:55:24 PM
Just made my feets wet  8)
Swap Master is running on 2 demo accounts now.
And I must say the setup of the system is not difficult.
Follow the guide and it runs in a couple of minutes.

Most of the work will be finding the right pairs and more important the right brokers.
Setting it al up, spending a lot of time to find the right pairs and then after months been confrontated with a broker which doesn't pay me back the money, will give me big forex frustration  :( >:(
Let's share experience here!
Title: Re: Swap Master - Market Neutral Arbitrage Trading
Post by: Nasdaq100 on November 20, 2019, 02:11:04 AM
Guys if there is no broker suggestion with this system (a proper regulated broker that is) then this system whatever it is is completely useless.

If the ones that would accept giving you swap free does not mean if you make money with them they will pay you. I have seen this happen with so many brokers including big names such as FXPro, swissqoute and many others who are regulated and reputable. Once they realize that you are hedging your trades with another broker it really pisses them off.

Unless the vendor can suggest a proper set-up with screen shots of his profit withdrawals on both sides of reputable broker on large amounts, then his product is not worth crap!
Title: Re: Swap Master - Market Neutral Arbitrage Trading
Post by: Foxy_Trader on November 20, 2019, 05:36:12 AM
Guys if there is no broker suggestion with this system (a proper regulated broker that is) then this system whatever it is is completely useless.

If the ones that would accept giving you swap free does not mean if you make money with them they will pay you. I have seen this happen with so many brokers including big names such as FXPro, swissqoute and many others who are regulated and reputable. Once they realize that you are hedging your trades with another broker it really pisses them off.

Unless the vendor can suggest a proper set-up with screen shots of his profit withdrawals on both sides of reputable broker on large amounts, then his product is not worth crap!
All information including brokers, setups and actual rates is available for members.
Why would you write something like this here if you don't even know it?

The rare case when you can find something really worthy in forex world and still comes someone who doesn't own it didn't even see it but judge it as crap.
So pathetic.
Title: Re: Swap Master - Market Neutral Arbitrage Trading
Post by: Forex21 on November 20, 2019, 07:16:24 AM
Guys if there is no broker suggestion with this system (a proper regulated broker that is) then this system whatever it is is completely useless.

If the ones that would accept giving you swap free does not mean if you make money with them they will pay you. I have seen this happen with so many brokers including big names such as FXPro, swissqoute and many others who are regulated and reputable. Once they realize that you are hedging your trades with another broker it really pisses them off.

Unless the vendor can suggest a proper set-up with screen shots of his profit withdrawals on both sides of reputable broker on large amounts, then his product is not worth crap!

Thank you for your professional opinion. May I suggest that you read what the system is actually doing and then give it another shot.
Title: Re: Swap Master - Market Neutral Arbitrage Trading
Post by: alaali on November 20, 2019, 08:01:48 AM
As I am usually using free swap (Islamic accounts), Will I benefit to open an account with your recommended broker and use my current swap free broker as a part of the two sides?
Title: Re: Swap Master - Market Neutral Arbitrage Trading
Post by: Forex21 on November 20, 2019, 08:24:17 AM
As I am usually using free swap (Islamic accounts), Will I benefit to open an account with your recommended broker and use my current swap free broker as a part of the two sides?

Hello Alaali.

I know some traders who use swap free accounts with great success but there is some risk that you run in trouble with it along the way. It's not my cup of tea. I prefer to combine high and low rates and collect the difference.

But every trader is different. If it works for you to use swap free accounts, then why not.

You will certainly benefit from Swap Master because it puts everything together to one central control unit. It also allows you to add, increase and decrease trades with just one click. And most important, the software will monitor trades and terminals and will take action if needed.

I believe it will add great value to your actual swap trading model. If you have more questions, get in touch with me. We can also talk over phone or chat.

Alexander
Title: Re: Swap Master - Market Neutral Arbitrage Trading
Post by: Frederico_K on November 21, 2019, 01:14:05 PM
As I am usually using free swap (Islamic accounts), Will I benefit to open an account with your recommended broker and use my current swap free broker as a part of the two sides?
how sweet!!
i also want swap free account 8) 8) 8)

i like the idea of turning 20k into 45k within 1 year!! i actually was searching for this type of investment where i don't need to worry about every price tick and get heart attack form the uk or us news heaving my positions with their currencies..
rebalancing seems really low work for this kind of deal
just one question before i take this offer "can someone form forex21 guys set me up the positions for me after i install all on my pc"?
Title: Re: Swap Master - Market Neutral Arbitrage Trading
Post by: dutchie on November 21, 2019, 03:02:33 PM
As I am usually using free swap (Islamic accounts), Will I benefit to open an account with your recommended broker and use my current swap free broker as a part of the two sides?
how sweet!!
i also want swap free account 8) 8) 8)

i like the idea of turning 20k into 45k within 1 year!! i actually was searching for this type of investment where i don't need to worry about every price tick and get heart attack form the uk or us news heaving my positions with their currencies..
rebalancing seems really low work for this kind of deal
just one question before i take this offer "can someone form forex21 guys set me up the positions for me after i install all on my pc"?
Sit back and let the guys form Forex21 do it all for you.
Set the parameters: 20k to 45k in 12 months and there you go.
 ;D :D
Everybody would love that but it's not realistic and I'am sure  that the guys form Forex21 will help you were they can.
But you have to work for your money: find good brokers and pairs that will fit in the system
And then setup the positions and guard your accounts ----- it's your money!!
No work = no money
Title: Re: Swap Master - Market Neutral Arbitrage Trading
Post by: dutchie on November 21, 2019, 03:29:41 PM
Quote
I will be also posting daily updates here: https://forum.forex21.com/
Hi Alexander,
I'm visiting the forum on a daily base, but haven't seen any daily updates so far.
When will you start with this?

Hello dutchie.

at the moment I am in the process of adding portfolio and broker info the Swap Master group right now. Please check again in a couple of hours.

Thank You!
 :)
Where can I find the portfolio and broker info in the Swap Master group?
Title: Re: Swap Master - Market Neutral Arbitrage Trading
Post by: petersurrey on November 21, 2019, 04:34:32 PM
Just a quick note on swap free accounts  - IF you can get one  - AXI get around this by charging an additional  'holding fee' for positons held over 7 days - and I am sure they aren't the only one.
Title: Re: Swap Master - Market Neutral Arbitrage Trading
Post by: petersurrey on November 21, 2019, 04:49:23 PM
As I am usually using free swap (Islamic accounts), Will I benefit to open an account with your recommended broker and use my current swap free broker as a part of the two sides?
how sweet!!
i also want swap free account 8) 8) 8)

i like the idea of turning 20k into 45k within 1 year!! i actually was searching for this type of investment where i don't need to worry about every price tick and get heart attack form the uk or us news heaving my positions with their currencies..
rebalancing seems really low work for this kind of deal
just one question before i take this offer "can someone form forex21 guys set me up the positions for me after i install all on my pc"?

LOL I have just spent the best part of this week looking for decent swap differences on 'acceptable' brokers without success - if this was easy no one would bother trading:) Yes there are 'bargains' but the brokers offering them are very dodgy...so far...:)
Title: Re: Swap Master - Market Neutral Arbitrage Trading
Post by: alaali on November 21, 2019, 06:13:02 PM
I am able to get swap free accounts with ICMARKETS and XM without any holding fees.
in pepperstone they have a fee if you keep the trade for more than two days.

So still for me ICM and XM are a variable option.

I am trying to get good rates on other brokers to set my portfolio.

Any good rates on reputable brokers?
Title: Re: Swap Master - Market Neutral Arbitrage Trading
Post by: dutchie on November 21, 2019, 06:30:28 PM
As I am usually using free swap (Islamic accounts), Will I benefit to open an account with your recommended broker and use my current swap free broker as a part of the two sides?
how sweet!!
i also want swap free account 8) 8) 8)

i like the idea of turning 20k into 45k within 1 year!! i actually was searching for this type of investment where i don't need to worry about every price tick and get heart attack form the uk or us news heaving my positions with their currencies..
rebalancing seems really low work for this kind of deal
just one question before i take this offer "can someone form forex21 guys set me up the positions for me after i install all on my pc"?

LOL I have just spent the best part of this week looking for decent swap differences on 'acceptable' brokers without success - if this was easy no one would bother trading:) Yes there are 'bargains' but the brokers offering them are very dodgy...so far...:)
That's why I'am so interested in the portfolio and broker info as Forex21 promised.
I can find good combi's but they are on brokers I've never heard off.
Title: Re: Swap Master - Market Neutral Arbitrage Trading
Post by: felipebr on November 21, 2019, 06:45:11 PM
I guess this system is more for short term investment than long... I think customers should think about it, since most of the brokers for this strategy are not regulated.

It's really hard to invest much money at this conditions.

Regards
Title: Re: Swap Master - Market Neutral Arbitrage Trading
Post by: dutchie on November 21, 2019, 06:51:21 PM
I guess this system is more for short term investment than long... I think customers should think about it, since most of the brokers for this strategy are not regulated.

It's really hard to invest much money at this conditions.

Regards
I don't think it has anything to do with short or long term.
I've learned my lessons (lost a lot of money) with non regulated brokers.
For me I will only run this system for the long term with regulated brokers.
Title: Re: Swap Master - Market Neutral Arbitrage Trading
Post by: felipebr on November 21, 2019, 07:24:07 PM
I guess this system is more for short term investment than long... I think customers should think about it, since most of the brokers for this strategy are not regulated.

It's really hard to invest much money at this conditions.

Regards
I don't think it has anything to do with short or long term.
I've learned my lessons (lost a lot of money) with non regulated brokers.
For me I will only run this system for the long term with regulated brokers.

I think same. So I guess this system is not for us  :-\
Title: Re: Swap Master - Market Neutral Arbitrage Trading
Post by: petersurrey on November 21, 2019, 07:38:19 PM
AS a general rule good regulated brokers offer poor swaps as they can attract enough business without any added incentives. The only other option I can think of is to use correlated pairs both with a positive swap but this is getting into new territory and off-topic. My overall conclusion is that there are enough trading systems around which offer more than a few percent per month, BUT you do need to be able to tolerate the associated drawdowns, which this service obviously avoids.
Title: Re: Swap Master - Market Neutral Arbitrage Trading
Post by: Forex21 on November 21, 2019, 11:11:35 PM
I guess this system is more for short term investment than long... I think customers should think about it, since most of the brokers for this strategy are not regulated.

It's really hard to invest much money at this conditions.

Regards

What you said, just in the other direction. If you would have read the first post and the system description or just looked at the images ..you would know the following:

1) The Swap Master concept does not work if you want to quickly jump in and out. You should let it run. For weeks, months and reinvest your gains again and again. I guess that is not exactly "short term"?

2) You should not use unregulated brokers.

3) There is a difference between an investment and trading.

Title: Re: Swap Master - Market Neutral Arbitrage Trading
Post by: Forex21 on November 21, 2019, 11:27:11 PM
AS a general rule good regulated brokers offer poor swaps as they can attract enough business without any added incentives. The only other option I can think of is to use correlated pairs both with a positive swap but this is getting into new territory and off-topic. My overall conclusion is that there are enough trading systems around which offer more than a few percent per month, BUT you do need to be able to tolerate the associated drawdowns, which this service obviously avoids.


I spent a lot of time collecting and analyzing swap data and my experience is exactly the opposite. If your general rule is correct, "Good regulated brokers offer poor swaps", then the following brokers must be bad and unregulated:

IC Markets
Dukascopy
Oanda
Just2Trade
...




Title: Re: Swap Master - Market Neutral Arbitrage Trading
Post by: alaali on November 22, 2019, 05:30:10 AM
I think most of the users here and me included want a more detailed guide and brokers list to start with. The two brokers used as an example are just not as reputable as ICMARKETS. If you can provide a portfolio using ICMARKETS, dukascopy, onada, Pepperstone, Tickmill, and other famous brokers we delt with and heard about then it will be easier for us to feel the water and jump in when we see a positive results.

For two days I was gathering information but still I am not able to have a combination that will give me a good return.

I sent an email asking about the use of swap free accounts and you ask me to read the manual which I did but I thought by emailing you I will be able to get more guidance to direct me to the correct path. In the manual no mention of how to use swap free account as a part of the portfolio.

I believe the system has a potential but the concept is new for us. You have more knowledge than us in this thing. Will you able to comment on our portfolios?

I want to understand how we can use more than one trade on one side of the portfolio and only one on the other side. I saw it on the manual but was not sure where to ask.
Title: Re: Swap Master - Market Neutral Arbitrage Trading
Post by: Frederico_K on November 22, 2019, 06:15:26 AM
As I am usually using free swap (Islamic accounts), Will I benefit to open an account with your recommended broker and use my current swap free broker as a part of the two sides?
how sweet!!
i also want swap free account 8) 8) 8)

i like the idea of turning 20k into 45k within 1 year!! i actually was searching for this type of investment where i don't need to worry about every price tick and get heart attack form the uk or us news heaving my positions with their currencies..
rebalancing seems really low work for this kind of deal
just one question before i take this offer "can someone form forex21 guys set me up the positions for me after i install all on my pc"?
Sit back and let the guys form Forex21 do it all for you.
Set the parameters: 20k to 45k in 12 months and there you go.
 ;D :D
Everybody would love that but it's not realistic and I'am sure  that the guys form Forex21 will help you were they can.
But you have to work for your money: find good brokers and pairs that will fit in the system
And then setup the positions and guard your accounts ----- it's your money!!
No work = no money

ok ok lad!!  ;D i know that there is no easy money for the long term
what i mean is this looks to me like less pain in ass investment. i'm very tired of worries that come together with the price changes, tired of being on the wrong side of market shortly to say. i understand that in the case of swap business i will need to rebalance my accounts time from time and take a look at the interest rates regularly but still it's better for me this way!!1 i'm not a good trader to be honest and that is why this option is good to me.
Title: Re: Swap Master - Market Neutral Arbitrage Trading
Post by: Stephan09 on November 22, 2019, 08:15:03 AM
As I am usually using free swap (Islamic accounts), Will I benefit to open an account with your recommended broker and use my current swap free broker as a part of the two sides?
how sweet!!
i also want swap free account 8) 8) 8)

i like the idea of turning 20k into 45k within 1 year!! i actually was searching for this type of investment where i don't need to worry about every price tick and get heart attack form the uk or us news heaving my positions with their currencies..
rebalancing seems really low work for this kind of deal
just one question before i take this offer "can someone form forex21 guys set me up the positions for me after i install all on my pc"?
Sit back and let the guys form Forex21 do it all for you.
Set the parameters: 20k to 45k in 12 months and there you go.
 ;D :D
Everybody would love that but it's not realistic and I'am sure  that the guys form Forex21 will help you were they can.
But you have to work for your money: find good brokers and pairs that will fit in the system
And then setup the positions and guard your accounts ----- it's your money!!
No work = no money

ok ok lad!!  ;D i know that there is no easy money for the long term
what i mean is this looks to me like less pain in ass investment. i'm very tired of worries that come together with the price changes, tired of being on the wrong side of market shortly to say. i understand that in the case of swap business i will need to rebalance my accounts time from time and take a look at the interest rates regularly but still it's better for me this way!!1 i'm not a good trader to be honest and that is why this option is good to me.

Agree.
Even rebalancing will not be required often if to choose a pair with low volatility.
I'm learning krona based pairs now and they seem fit to me.
Title: Re: Swap Master - Market Neutral Arbitrage Trading
Post by: LitnerGo on November 22, 2019, 08:58:58 AM
I did not find any real account on the seller's website. Can you share it?
Title: Re: Swap Master - Market Neutral Arbitrage Trading
Post by: Stephan09 on November 22, 2019, 09:36:51 AM
I did not find any real account on the seller's website. Can you share it?
There are screenshots only as swap payments do not reflect in Myfxbook stats.
Title: Re: Swap Master - Market Neutral Arbitrage Trading
Post by: Forex21 on November 22, 2019, 11:50:46 AM
I think most of the users here and me included want a more detailed guide and brokers list to start with. The two brokers used as an example are just not as reputable as ICMARKETS. If you can provide a portfolio using ICMARKETS, dukascopy, onada, Pepperstone, Tickmill, and other famous brokers we delt with and heard about then it will be easier for us to feel the water and jump in when we see a positive results.

For two days I was gathering information but still I am not able to have a combination that will give me a good return.

I sent an email asking about the use of swap free accounts and you ask me to read the manual which I did but I thought by emailing you I will be able to get more guidance to direct me to the correct path. In the manual no mention of how to use swap free account as a part of the portfolio.

I believe the system has a potential but the concept is new for us. You have more knowledge than us in this thing. Will you able to comment on our portfolios?

I want to understand how we can use more than one trade on one side of the portfolio and only one on the other side. I saw it on the manual but was not sure where to ask.

Hello alaali.

I think the user guide is very detailed. But if you have suggestions about improvements, please let send me a short E-Mail. I am always open for fresh ideas.

At the moment I add portfolio ideas bit by bit. Simple because there are a lot of new users and it is essential to do the "easy" stuff first. Advanced portfolios are a lot of fun to trade but if a user skips the easy portfolios, there is large chance that he or she will make a mistake when setting up more advanced portfolios.

Also, please be aware that we do a lot to make sure to assist user, help them use the software in the best possible way and provide guidance for portfolios. However, we do not spoon feed users. In order to get the best possible results, new users need to put in some effort. The more effort you put in, the more you will get out of the software. It really is that simple.

Now, as you traded swaps before, the process may seems slow to you but there are many new users who did not trade swaps before. So, I would like to ask you to be a little patience. I would suggest to use the extra time to setup a couple of simple portfolios and try all available combinations, alerts and emergency shut down options.

Every bit of extra practice pays.

Alexander

Ps: Did you send me your Forex21 Forum user name? If not, please register and send me your user name. I will then add you to the Swap Master group. Thank You!
Title: Re: Swap Master - Market Neutral Arbitrage Trading
Post by: Forex21 on November 22, 2019, 12:13:55 PM
Agree.
Even re balancing will not be required often if to choose a pair with low volatility.
I'm learning krona based pairs now and they seem fit to me.

Yes, they have great potential.
Title: Re: Swap Master - Market Neutral Arbitrage Trading
Post by: alaali on November 22, 2019, 01:09:53 PM
I think most of the users here and me included want a more detailed guide and brokers list to start with. The two brokers used as an example are just not as reputable as ICMARKETS. If you can provide a portfolio using ICMARKETS, dukascopy, onada, Pepperstone, Tickmill, and other famous brokers we delt with and heard about then it will be easier for us to feel the water and jump in when we see a positive results.

For two days I was gathering information but still I am not able to have a combination that will give me a good return.

I sent an email asking about the use of swap free accounts and you ask me to read the manual which I did but I thought by emailing you I will be able to get more guidance to direct me to the correct path. In the manual no mention of how to use swap free account as a part of the portfolio.

I believe the system has a potential but the concept is new for us. You have more knowledge than us in this thing. Will you able to comment on our portfolios?

I want to understand how we can use more than one trade on one side of the portfolio and only one on the other side. I saw it on the manual but was not sure where to ask.

Hello alaali.

I think the user guide is very detailed. But if you have suggestions about improvements, please let send me a short E-Mail. I am always open for fresh ideas.

At the moment I add portfolio ideas bit by bit. Simple because there are a lot of new users and it is essential to do the "easy" stuff first. Advanced portfolios are a lot of fun to trade but if a user skips the easy portfolios, there is large chance that he or she will make a mistake when setting up more advanced portfolios.

Also, please be aware that we do a lot to make sure to assist user, help them use the software in the best possible way and provide guidance for portfolios. However, we do not spoon feed users. In order to get the best possible results, new users need to put in some effort. The more effort you put in, the more you will get out of the software. It really is that simple.

Now, as you traded swaps before, the process may seems slow to you but there are many new users who did not trade swaps before. So, I would like to ask you to be a little patience. I would suggest to use the extra time to setup a couple of simple portfolios and try all available combinations, alerts and emergency shut down options.

Every bit of extra practice pays.

Alexander

Ps: Did you send me your Forex21 Forum user name? If not, please register and send me your user name. I will then add you to the Swap Master group. Thank You!

Thanks. My username is alaali in the forum.
Title: Re: Swap Master - Market Neutral Arbitrage Trading
Post by: felipebr on November 22, 2019, 01:35:39 PM
AS a general rule good regulated brokers offer poor swaps as they can attract enough business without any added incentives. The only other option I can think of is to use correlated pairs both with a positive swap but this is getting into new territory and off-topic. My overall conclusion is that there are enough trading systems around which offer more than a few percent per month, BUT you do need to be able to tolerate the associated drawdowns, which this service obviously avoids.


I spent a lot of time collecting and analyzing swap data and my experience is exactly the opposite. If your general rule is correct, "Good regulated brokers offer poor swaps", then the following brokers must be bad and unregulated:

IC Markets
Dukascopy
Oanda
Just2Trade
...

My bad, this 4 are very well regulated.

Regards
Title: Re: Swap Master - Market Neutral Arbitrage Trading
Post by: Forex21 on November 22, 2019, 03:03:13 PM
I think most of the users here and me included want a more detailed guide and brokers list to start with. The two brokers used as an example are just not as reputable as ICMARKETS. If you can provide a portfolio using ICMARKETS, dukascopy, onada, Pepperstone, Tickmill, and other famous brokers we delt with and heard about then it will be easier for us to feel the water and jump in when we see a positive results.

For two days I was gathering information but still I am not able to have a combination that will give me a good return.

I sent an email asking about the use of swap free accounts and you ask me to read the manual which I did but I thought by emailing you I will be able to get more guidance to direct me to the correct path. In the manual no mention of how to use swap free account as a part of the portfolio.

I believe the system has a potential but the concept is new for us. You have more knowledge than us in this thing. Will you able to comment on our portfolios?

I want to understand how we can use more than one trade on one side of the portfolio and only one on the other side. I saw it on the manual but was not sure where to ask.

Hello alaali.

I think the user guide is very detailed. But if you have suggestions about improvements, please let send me a short E-Mail. I am always open for fresh ideas.

At the moment I add portfolio ideas bit by bit. Simple because there are a lot of new users and it is essential to do the "easy" stuff first. Advanced portfolios are a lot of fun to trade but if a user skips the easy portfolios, there is large chance that he or she will make a mistake when setting up more advanced portfolios.

Also, please be aware that we do a lot to make sure to assist user, help them use the software in the best possible way and provide guidance for portfolios. However, we do not spoon feed users. In order to get the best possible results, new users need to put in some effort. The more effort you put in, the more you will get out of the software. It really is that simple.

Now, as you traded swaps before, the process may seems slow to you but there are many new users who did not trade swaps before. So, I would like to ask you to be a little patience. I would suggest to use the extra time to setup a couple of simple portfolios and try all available combinations, alerts and emergency shut down options.

Every bit of extra practice pays.

Alexander

Ps: Did you send me your Forex21 Forum user name? If not, please register and send me your user name. I will then add you to the Swap Master group. Thank You!

Thanks. My username is alaali in the forum.

I added your name but this is not how we do things. I think it is not to much requested to follow the steps from the download page. Putting info on public forums and expect that I pick it up there is not alright.
Title: Re: Swap Master - Market Neutral Arbitrage Trading
Post by: alex100 on November 22, 2019, 04:57:45 PM
Just wanted to warn people about wrong swap information that shows on MyFxBook for example for TradeView broker. In reality it is 10 times different.
Title: Re: Swap Master - Market Neutral Arbitrage Trading
Post by: petersurrey on November 22, 2019, 08:38:56 PM
Just wanted to warn people about wrong swap information that shows on MyFxBook for example for TradeView broker. In reality it is 10 times different.

Yes along with many others like IG. I wonder how myfxbook get their figures other than relying on just what the brokers tell them...
Title: Re: Swap Master - Market Neutral Arbitrage Trading
Post by: dutchie on November 23, 2019, 08:15:05 AM
Just wanted to warn people about wrong swap information that shows on MyFxBook for example for TradeView broker. In reality it is 10 times different.

Yes along with many others like IG. I wonder how myfxbook get their figures other than relying on just what the brokers tell them...
I think it's better to open a demo account and check the swap pair by pair.
The swap info is in the pair: Market Watch, right click the pair and see specification.
Do that for 2 brokers on 1 screen and you will find some suitable pairs (lot of work...)
But I'm not sure whether this info is the same for live accounts.
Did not check that in detail
Title: Re: Swap Master - Market Neutral Arbitrage Trading
Post by: Forex21 on November 23, 2019, 02:19:42 PM
Yes along with many others like IG. I wonder how myfxbook get their figures other than relying on just what the brokers tell them...

Per definition, when you trade with IG Markets you trade CFD's. And they do not charge you any SWAP. But that does not mean that there is no SWAP  :o. The simple call it different. Good thing is that they provide very detailed and transparent information about their "charge" (Swap) policy. Here is the link to it: https://www.ig.com/sg/our-charges

I think it's better to open a demo account and check the swap pair by pair.
The swap info is in the pair: Market Watch, right click the pair and see specification.
Do that for 2 brokers on 1 screen and you will find some suitable pairs (lot of work...)
But I'm not sure whether this info is the same for live accounts.
Did not check that in detail

Yes, when it comes to Swap rates attention to detail is king. We are currently working on a db for rates but it is not an easy project and take a while.


Title: Re: Swap Master - Market Neutral Arbitrage Trading
Post by: Foxy_Trader on November 23, 2019, 06:01:06 PM
Quote from: alex100
Just wanted to warn people about wrong swap information that shows on
MyFxBook for example for TradeView broker. In reality it is 10 times
different.

TradeView provides swap information in the base currency of the instrument and for other instruments in margin currency.
Did you pay enough attention to this while judging?
But because you interpreted the available information wrong, it doesn't mean the information itself is wrong  8)
Don't you feel the difference?  :P
Title: Re: Swap Master - Market Neutral Arbitrage Trading
Post by: iMusingKiMi on November 23, 2019, 07:39:01 PM
Has anyone go for live yet? Appreciate if someone could share with us their experience so I can save a lot of time once I come back for it. Thanks in advance.
Title: Re: Swap Master - Market Neutral Arbitrage Trading
Post by: iMusingKiMi on November 23, 2019, 08:28:42 PM
AS a general rule good regulated brokers offer poor swaps as they can attract enough business without any added incentives. The only other option I can think of is to use correlated pairs both with a positive swap but this is getting into new territory and off-topic. My overall conclusion is that there are enough trading systems around which offer more than a few percent per month, BUT you do need to be able to tolerate the associated drawdowns, which this service obviously avoids.

Are you sure there are enough trading systems around which offer more than just a few percent per month? There's 1 proprietary company that I work for previously are happy to hire those so-called highly profitable system if they really work but of course there are some strict rules. Don't tell me those drawdown more than 8-10% because that's not trading in our dictionary, that's gambling. I don't recall whether it was 2014 or 2015 when everyone in the industry not doing that well, the firms which I work for return are just about  23% and we are so happy about it. If you work for a proprietary company, as long as your performance above 8% per annum you are entitled for bonus and huge 1 if you can hit above 30%. This means it is less than 3% per month. Let me tell you something really true. I don't ask for more, 4-5% per month are more than enough. If this whole thing works out, I just need to pay them 2% monthly to my fellow investors, millions and millions of dollars are waiting for me and I can assure you they are more than happy for 24% per annum.
Title: Re: Swap Master - Market Neutral Arbitrage Trading
Post by: petersurrey on November 23, 2019, 09:51:35 PM
Quote from: alex100
Just wanted to warn people about wrong swap information that shows on
MyFxBook for example for TradeView broker. In reality it is 10 times
different.

TradeView provides swap information in the base currency of the instrument and for other instruments in margin currency.
Did you pay enough attention to this while judging?
But because you interpreted the available information wrong, it doesn't mean the information itself is wrong  8)
Don't you feel the difference?  :P

...the original comment was relating to myfxbook errors, not tradeview's, and as previously discussed. is not a reliable source for swaps.
Title: Re: Swap Master - Market Neutral Arbitrage Trading
Post by: alex100 on November 23, 2019, 10:55:34 PM
Quote from: alex100
Just wanted to warn people about wrong swap information that shows on
MyFxBook for example for TradeView broker. In reality it is 10 times
different.

TradeView provides swap information in the base currency of the instrument and for other instruments in margin currency.
Did you pay enough attention to this while judging?
But because you interpreted the available information wrong, it doesn't mean the information itself is wrong  8)
Don't you feel the difference?  :P
I assume that myfxbook should provide all information in the spreadsheet in same way. To avoid confusion.
Title: Re: Swap Master - Market Neutral Arbitrage Trading
Post by: Forex21 on November 24, 2019, 10:34:03 AM
Quote from: alex100
Just wanted to warn people about wrong swap information that shows on
MyFxBook for example for TradeView broker. In reality it is 10 times
different.

TradeView provides swap information in the base currency of the instrument and for other instruments in margin currency.
Did you pay enough attention to this while judging?
But because you interpreted the available information wrong, it doesn't mean the information itself is wrong  8)
Don't you feel the difference?  :P
I assume that myfxbook should provide all information in the spreadsheet in same way. To avoid confusion.

A few notes what might help.

1) The IG rates shown on MyFxbook are not wrong as Peter claimed. IG also does not provide false rates info. As a matter of fact they provide more details about their rates then most brokers do. Check this link, it really does not get any better than this: https://www.ig.com/sg/our-charges

2) The TradeView rates are not 10x higher/lower as Alex claimed. They are simple shown in a different format. Format info is displayed next to the rate info.

3) MyFxBook swaps, spread and other data collection are of course not perfect and provide an incomplete picture. There are a lot more brokers available. Plus, it is not only the swap rate what matters. However, if a user or anybody who is interested in Swap trading wants to get some basic information, it is a good page to get started.

4) Swap Master users who struggle putting their own portfolios together can use the ones I and other users share on the Forex21 Forum (Group content). There are now 6 ready to use portfolios and new ones are posted almost every day.

I hope this help!

Have a good weekend!

Alexander

Title: Re: Swap Master - Market Neutral Arbitrage Trading
Post by: F1Maniac on November 25, 2019, 11:13:47 PM
AS a general rule good regulated brokers offer poor swaps as they can attract enough business without any added incentives. The only other option I can think of is to use correlated pairs both with a positive swap but this is getting into new territory and off-topic. My overall conclusion is that there are enough trading systems around which offer more than a few percent per month, BUT you do need to be able to tolerate the associated drawdowns, which this service obviously avoids.

Are you sure there are enough trading systems around which offer more than just a few percent per month? There's 1 proprietary company that I work for previously are happy to hire those so-called highly profitable system if they really work but of course there are some strict rules. Don't tell me those drawdown more than 8-10% because that's not trading in our dictionary, that's gambling. I don't recall whether it was 2014 or 2015 when everyone in the industry not doing that well, the firms which I work for return are just about  23% and we are so happy about it. If you work for a proprietary company, as long as your performance above 8% per annum you are entitled for bonus and huge 1 if you can hit above 30%. This means it is less than 3% per month. Let me tell you something really true. I don't ask for more, 4-5% per month are more than enough. If this whole thing works out, I just need to pay them 2% monthly to my fellow investors, millions and millions of dollars are waiting for me and I can assure you they are more than happy for 24% per annum.
Ofcourse nothing is that simple and even if it was why sell it for 300 bucks. Doesn't make sense. Ive looked at all options provided unfortunately unless you want to trust a broker thats in a lightly regulated area this is not really going to work. Oanda for e.g. has excellent swaps but they charge finance on top which makes it unusable for hedging
Title: Re: Swap Master - Market Neutral Arbitrage Trading
Post by: Forex21 on November 26, 2019, 07:33:26 AM
Quote
@ Vikrem
I am very sorry that it did not work out for you. As I told you, there is a strong correlation between effort and results. You expected that it will work even when you use an old terminal and run it on inactive charts. It didn't. Not a big deal.

I wish you all the best best for your trading. Try next time with a bit more effort, it does wonders.

Alexander

Quote
@ iMusingKiMi


There is a difference between trading a few hundred thousands and 100 Mio. No?
Title: Re: Swap Master - Market Neutral Arbitrage Trading
Post by: F1Maniac on November 26, 2019, 01:13:08 PM

I am very sorry that it did not work out for you. As I told you, there is a strong correlation between effort and results. You expected that it will work even when you use an old terminal and run it on inactive charts. It didn't. Not a big deal.

I wish you all the best best for your trading. Try next time with a bit more effort, it does wonders.

Alexander

Quote
@ iMusingKiMi


There is a difference between trading a few hundred thousands and 100 Mio. No?
I think firstly not appropriate to reveal personal info on forums, its not appreciated.

You did promise working portfolio here with regulated brokers. Im yet to see one. And surely if this made millions why sell it for 300 bucks?

We never got to the bottom issue faced so dont go putting it all on me sir. If you trust your code so much, surely the debug message would shed light on where the issue is but it didnt.

Regardless i do appreciate the support but its not for me to be constantly keeping with finding a new broker and a new pair
Title: Re: Swap Master - Market Neutral Arbitrage Trading
Post by: Forex21 on November 26, 2019, 01:41:48 PM

I am very sorry that it did not work out for you. As I told you, there is a strong correlation between effort and results. You expected that it will work even when you use an old terminal and run it on inactive charts. It didn't. Not a big deal.

I wish you all the best best for your trading. Try next time with a bit more effort, it does wonders.

Alexander

Quote
@ iMusingKiMi


There is a difference between trading a few hundred thousands and 100 Mio. No?
I think firstly not appropriate to reveal personal info on forums, its not appreciated.

You did promise working portfolio here with regulated brokers. Im yet to see one. And surely if this made millions why sell it for 300 bucks?

We never got to the bottom issue faced so dont go putting it all on me sir. If you trust your code so much, surely the debug message would shed light on where the issue is but it didnt.

Regardless i do appreciate the support but its not for me to be constantly keeping with finding a new broker and a new pair

You got the portfolio, you got the setup info and everything else you needed to use the software properly. Why you decide to use it on an outdated terminal and inactive chart...I don't know.

Why you repeatedly claimed that 2 points are 20$/1 Lot....I also don't know.

What I do know is that trading does not work the way you think it does.

Title: Re: Swap Master - Market Neutral Arbitrage Trading
Post by: Foxy_Trader on November 26, 2019, 02:05:52 PM


You did promise working portfolio here with regulated brokers. Im yet to see one.


Buddy, you really did post some confusing "facts" on the sw forum.  ;) And btw, there are many working portfolios with regulated brokers. You were there, posted on many topics and now you write that you did not see them.  :o :o

Title: Re: Swap Master - Market Neutral Arbitrage Trading
Post by: Stephan09 on November 26, 2019, 02:56:51 PM
Cmon, lads :)
There is always somebody who doesn't like a product and make a refund.. a phone, a suit or a digital product.
From one side it doesn't mean that a product is bad and from the other side it doesn't mean that a client is wrong.

Title: Re: Swap Master - Market Neutral Arbitrage Trading
Post by: Stephan09 on November 26, 2019, 03:03:59 PM


You did promise working portfolio here with regulated brokers. Im yet to see one.


Buddy, you really did post some confusing "facts" on the sw forum.  ;) And btw, there are many working portfolios with regulated brokers. You were there, posted on many topics and now you write that you did not see them.  :o :o

Indeed :) I have found the good ones for me.
Title: Re: Swap Master - Market Neutral Arbitrage Trading
Post by: iMusingKiMi on November 27, 2019, 01:14:20 PM
Quote
@ Vikrem
I am very sorry that it did not work out for you. As I told you, there is a strong correlation between effort and results. You expected that it will work even when you use an old terminal and run it on inactive charts. It didn't. Not a big deal.

I wish you all the best best for your trading. Try next time with a bit more effort, it does wonders.

Alexander

Quote
@ iMusingKiMi


There is a difference between trading a few hundred thousands and 100 Mio. No?

Huge difference if comparing managing a fund of few hundred thousands with few million dollars.
Title: Re: Swap Master - Market Neutral Arbitrage Trading
Post by: iMusingKiMi on November 27, 2019, 01:22:04 PM

I am very sorry that it did not work out for you. As I told you, there is a strong correlation between effort and results. You expected that it will work even when you use an old terminal and run it on inactive charts. It didn't. Not a big deal.

I wish you all the best best for your trading. Try next time with a bit more effort, it does wonders.

Alexander

Quote
@ iMusingKiMi


There is a difference between trading a few hundred thousands and 100 Mio. No?
I think firstly not appropriate to reveal personal info on forums, its not appreciated.

You did promise working portfolio here with regulated brokers. Im yet to see one. And surely if this made millions why sell it for 300 bucks?

We never got to the bottom issue faced so dont go putting it all on me sir. If you trust your code so much, surely the debug message would shed light on where the issue is but it didnt.

Regardless i do appreciate the support but its not for me to be constantly keeping with finding a new broker and a new pair

You got the portfolio, you got the setup info and everything else you needed to use the software properly. Why you decide to use it on an outdated terminal and inactive chart...I don't know.

Why you repeatedly claimed that 2 points are 20$/1 Lot....I also don't know.

What I do know is that trading does not work the way you think it does.

That's the reason why I seldom want to check forum anymore. It is difficult for you to explain to someone who doesn't understand the concept of hedging, diversification, arbitraging, not even to mentioned Alpha Beta in equities trading, Delta, Gamma, Vega etc. In some people mind, the only way to earn money in trading is by guessing the market direction.
Title: Re: Swap Master - Market Neutral Arbitrage Trading
Post by: iMusingKiMi on November 27, 2019, 01:25:39 PM
Quote from: alex100
Just wanted to warn people about wrong swap information that shows on
MyFxBook for example for TradeView broker. In reality it is 10 times
different.

TradeView provides swap information in the base currency of the instrument and for other instruments in margin currency.
Did you pay enough attention to this while judging?
But because you interpreted the available information wrong, it doesn't mean the information itself is wrong  8)
Don't you feel the difference?  :P

...the original comment was relating to myfxbook errors, not tradeview's, and as previously discussed. is not a reliable source for swaps.

There's nothing wrong with myfxbook from my understanding. It is quite clear he doesn't understand how to interpret the information on myfxbook. In myfxbook, it is clearly written Type 0 - in pips, Type 1 - in the symbol base currency, Type 2 - by interest, Type 3 - in the margin currency. I am pretty sure he does not take that information, that's why he will say myfxbook errors. The information are there but if someone who is too lazy to read it, that's his own mistake.
Title: Re: Swap Master - Market Neutral Arbitrage Trading
Post by: Nasdaq100 on November 27, 2019, 03:26:31 PM
So guys now that some of bought this product, could you please verify if you have found a good profitable set-up on two reputable brokers?
Title: Re: Swap Master - Market Neutral Arbitrage Trading
Post by: alex100 on November 27, 2019, 04:59:39 PM

Yes, I have to admit my mistake I didn't pay attention to this "Type" field. It would be much easier if myfxbook just represent it in the same way.
Anyway, I couldn't find suitable brokers and currencies that will work for me with this system. Asked for refund - I'm out. I hope that at least some of you will find it profitable. Good Luck! 
Title: Re: Swap Master - Market Neutral Arbitrage Trading
Post by: Foxy_Trader on November 27, 2019, 06:25:45 PM
I am very sorry to say that but I see the clear pattern between those who don't pay attention to the details (rates displaying as an example) and can't find Profitable Reliable Brokers Combination (TM 8))
It's hard to perform actually hard work for your own effort. It's easy to buy the software and expect that someone will do the work for you (and claim after that the system is bad as there is not all work included).

I have found several combinations and I wish I have more money that I do not need to put aside for my portfolio.
I will even name some for the lazy traders. But fish out your rates by yourselves guys, please! Do some work  :P ;D
Fx Pro/ACY Securities.
Title: Re: Swap Master - Market Neutral Arbitrage Trading
Post by: Frederico_K on November 27, 2019, 06:36:50 PM
I am very sorry to say that but I see the clear pattern between those who don't pay attention to the details (rates displaying as an example) and can't find Profitable Reliable Brokers Combination (TM 8))
It's hard to perform actually hard work for your own effort. It's easy to buy the software and expect that someone will do the work for you (and claim after that the system is bad as there is not all work included).

I have found several combinations and I wish I have more money that I do not need to put aside for my portfolio.
I will even name some for the lazy traders. But fish out your rates by yourselves guys, please! Do some work  :P ;D
Fx Pro/ACY Securities.
i will be the one lazy haha!1!!
thank you foxy lady for the tip !
Title: Re: Swap Master - Market Neutral Arbitrage Trading
Post by: alex100 on November 27, 2019, 09:19:04 PM
I don't think it's just laziness. I think that brokers and LPs smart enough to keep their eye on what's going on market and at some point they will adjust their settings like they did it for night scalpers to make sure that it's not worth to use anymore.
Title: Re: Swap Master - Market Neutral Arbitrage Trading
Post by: Forex21 on November 27, 2019, 09:44:23 PM
Nice. It has been a while since this forum was so active.  ;)

Please, no conspiracy theories. Liquidity Pool compete, brokers compete and I don't think that they will stop. What would crash the concept is when the majority of central banks would decide that they cancle all interest rates. But that is not going to happen.

Scalping systems which try to catch a few pips after the US market closes are a lot more vulnerable because they do all the same (more or less), at the same time and as the liquidity is low at this time of day, traders find themselves (or their robots) in a crowded trade. Crowded trades usually don't work because at the end you need somebody to hold the bag.  :D
Title: Re: Swap Master - Market Neutral Arbitrage Trading
Post by: Forex21 on November 27, 2019, 09:56:59 PM
We have at the moment 9 or 10 different portfolios on the support forum (User Group) and more are added pretty much every day. Some are simple (one instrument-two brokers) and others are more complex.

To trade swaps a new user needs to get his head around the concept. That is not easy because it simple is different. I find that it is well worth the effort because there simple is no better way to make consistent profits with no directional trading risk.  :)

Title: Re: Swap Master - Market Neutral Arbitrage Trading
Post by: Nasdaq100 on November 28, 2019, 03:16:56 AM
I am very sorry to say that but I see the clear pattern between those who don't pay attention to the details (rates displaying as an example) and can't find Profitable Reliable Brokers Combination (TM 8))
It's hard to perform actually hard work for your own effort. It's easy to buy the software and expect that someone will do the work for you (and claim after that the system is bad as there is not all work included).

I have found several combinations and I wish I have more money that I do not need to put aside for my portfolio.
I will even name some for the lazy traders. But fish out your rates by yourselves guys, please! Do some work  :P ;D
Fx Pro/ACY Securities.

Is this at the FXPro UK?

Believe me if you make a large deposit into one of their other regulated branches they can take your money (it happened to someone I know who made $500k profit with fxpro)

ACY securities I never heard of
Title: Re: Swap Master - Market Neutral Arbitrage Trading
Post by: diyforexskills on November 28, 2019, 05:25:53 AM
I am very sorry to say that but I see the clear pattern between those who don't pay attention to the details (rates displaying as an example) and can't find Profitable Reliable Brokers Combination (TM 8))
It's hard to perform actually hard work for your own effort. It's easy to buy the software and expect that someone will do the work for you (and claim after that the system is bad as there is not all work included).

I have found several combinations and I wish I have more money that I do not need to put aside for my portfolio.
I will even name some for the lazy traders. But fish out your rates by yourselves guys, please! Do some work  :P ;D
Fx Pro/ACY Securities.

Is this at the FXPro UK?

Believe me if you make a large deposit into one of their other regulated branches they can take your money (it happened to someone I know who made $500k profit with fxpro)

ACY securities I never heard of

ACY Securities is the firm that bought out Synergy.
Title: Re: Swap Master - Market Neutral Arbitrage Trading
Post by: plamar on November 28, 2019, 07:16:33 AM
]
Is this at the FXPro UK?

Believe me if you make a large deposit into one of their other regulated branches they can take your money (it happened to someone I know who made $500k profit with fxpro)

ACY securities I never heard of

Yeah, be careful. Those g** damn brokers.

I talked to aunt Lucie and she knows somebody who head about somebody who deposited 93844 gazillions and turned it into 81324982735402347 marsillions within week. And then the broker simple took the money. Just like that!

The 5 regulations, 20+ EEA registrations and price water audition is no worth nothing.
Title: Re: Swap Master - Market Neutral Arbitrage Trading
Post by: Forex21 on November 28, 2019, 07:37:52 AM
]
Is this at the FXPro UK?

Believe me if you make a large deposit into one of their other regulated branches they can take your money (it happened to someone I know who made $500k profit with fxpro)

ACY securities I never heard of

Yeah, be careful. Those g** damn brokers.

I talked to aunt Lucie and she knows somebody who head about somebody who deposited 93844 gazillions and turned it into 81324982735402347 marsillions within week. And then the broker simple took the money. Just like that!

The 5 regulations, 20+ EEA registrations and price water audition is no worth nothing.

Don't forget the pirates!  :o  :) :)
Title: Re: Swap Master - Market Neutral Arbitrage Trading
Post by: Foxy_Trader on November 28, 2019, 08:02:46 AM
That's the reason why I seldom want to check forum anymore.

I understand it a lot! The more I read here the less I want to come back.
I'm afraid now will come stories about the aliens landed in the neighbors garden  :o
Title: Re: Swap Master - Market Neutral Arbitrage Trading
Post by: Foxy_Trader on November 28, 2019, 08:03:35 AM

Yeah, be careful. Those g** damn brokers.

I talked to aunt Lucie and she knows somebody who head about somebody who deposited 93844 gazillions and turned it into 81324982735402347 marsillions within week. And then the broker simple took the money. Just like that!

The 5 regulations, 20+ EEA registrations and price water audition is no worth nothing.

 ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Swap Master - Market Neutral Arbitrage Trading
Post by: Nasdaq100 on November 28, 2019, 12:04:34 PM
]
Is this at the FXPro UK?

Believe me if you make a large deposit into one of their other regulated branches they can take your money (it happened to someone I know who made $500k profit with fxpro)

ACY securities I never heard of

Yeah, be careful. Those g** damn brokers.

I talked to aunt Lucie and she knows somebody who head about somebody who deposited 93844 gazillions and turned it into 81324982735402347 marsillions within week. And then the broker simple took the money. Just like that!

The 5 regulations, 20+ EEA registrations and price water audition is no worth nothing.

you are under the regulation of where your account exist.

so if your account is FXPro russia, then you can't really complain to the FCA

I really think that the value of this product is not about the tools it offers. if the vendor can share with clients
the perfect set-up then this is were the value would be
Title: Re: Swap Master - Market Neutral Arbitrage Trading
Post by: Forex21 on November 28, 2019, 12:54:01 PM
]
Is this at the FXPro UK?

Believe me if you make a large deposit into one of their other regulated branches they can take your money (it happened to someone I know who made $500k profit with fxpro)

ACY securities I never heard of

Yeah, be careful. Those g** damn brokers.

I talked to aunt Lucie and she knows somebody who head about somebody who deposited 93844 gazillions and turned it into 81324982735402347 marsillions within week. And then the broker simple took the money. Just like that!

The 5 regulations, 20+ EEA registrations and price water audition is no worth nothing.

you are under the regulation of where your account exist.

so if your account is FXPro russia, then you can't really complain to the FCA

I really think that the value of this product is not about the tools it offers. if the vendor can share with clients
the perfect set-up then this is were the value would be

I think you will find it difficult to open an account with Fx Pro Russia.  ;)


Title: Re: Swap Master - Market Neutral Arbitrage Trading
Post by: Nasdaq100 on November 29, 2019, 07:36:07 AM
That was just an example, I don't even know if fxpro has actually opened there as their owners are in fact Russians.

But that's not the point here, and you know it!

Your product is tuff to sell to anyone with experience in this market.
Title: Re: Swap Master - Market Neutral Arbitrage Trading
Post by: plamar on November 29, 2019, 08:07:33 AM
]
Is this at the FXPro UK?

Believe me if you make a large deposit into one of their other regulated branches they can take your money (it happened to someone I know who made $500k profit with fxpro)

ACY securities I never heard of

Yeah, be careful. Those g** damn brokers.

I talked to aunt Lucie and she knows somebody who head about somebody who deposited 93844 gazillions and turned it into 81324982735402347 marsillions within week. And then the broker simple took the money. Just like that!

The 5 regulations, 20+ EEA registrations and price water audition is no worth nothing.

you are under the regulation of where your account exist.

so if your account is FXPro russia, then you can't really complain to the FCA

I really think that the value of this product is not about the tools it offers. if the vendor can share with clients
the perfect set-up then this is were the value would be

I think you will find it difficult to open an account with Fx Pro Russia.  ;)


So what you Nasdaw say is: If I open account with fxpro russia what i can not do because there is no fxpro russia and i would do make half million profit. They would keep my money.

But now you caught and it become just example.  8) 8) 8)





Title: Re: Swap Master - Market Neutral Arbitrage Trading
Post by: Stephan09 on November 29, 2019, 08:14:12 AM
Your product is tuff to sell to anyone with experience in this market.

This sounds like you called everyone who bought the system unexperienced idiots  :-\
It's really annoying to read you here. You just keep yelling about something you did not even see from close.
I am sorry to say that but your posts are totally useless here, just like those where a person did not read a book but judge it with a meaning  :(

And if you claim yourself experienced trader you Myxbooks stats speaks against this claim, I am sorry again.
Title: Re: Swap Master - Market Neutral Arbitrage Trading
Post by: Frederico_K on November 29, 2019, 09:10:09 AM
Quote from: Nasdaq100
Is this at the FXPro UK?
Believe me if you make a large deposit into one of their other regulated branches they can take your money (it happened to someone I know who made $500k profit with fxpro)

Quote from: Nasdaq100
you are under the regulation of where your account exist.
so if your account is FXPro russia, then you can't really complain to the FCA

Quote from: Nasdaq100
That was just an example, I don't even know if fxpro has actually opened there as their owners are in fact Russians.

(https://s5.gifyu.com/images/Mona-LIsa.gif)

Russians everywhere!!!!!
Title: Re: Swap Master - Market Neutral Arbitrage Trading
Post by: Nasdaq100 on November 29, 2019, 10:22:48 AM
Uhhh the amount of stupidity in here is through the roof.

For those who just don't seem to get it yet, here is another example: if you open with fxpro Cyprus then you won't be protected under the FCA. Happy now?!!

I should have directed my question directly to FXPro instead of posting it to this vendor.

Title: Re: Swap Master - Market Neutral Arbitrage Trading
Post by: Forex21 on November 29, 2019, 06:13:31 PM
Uhhh the amount of stupidity in here is through the roof.

For those who just don't seem to get it yet, here is another example: if you open with fxpro Cyprus then you won't be protected under the FCA. Happy now?!!

I should have directed my question directly to FXPro instead of posting it to this vendor.

Look, this topic is not about Russians and it is also not about your friend who allegedly made 500K profit on an FxPro account and never got the money. If you would like to talk about it, may I suggest that you open a new topic for it.

And btw, because some users caught you telling wild "pirate stories", it does not mean that they are stupid.
Title: Re: Swap Master - Market Neutral Arbitrage Trading
Post by: Forex21 on November 29, 2019, 06:19:23 PM
Quote from: Nasdaq100
Is this at the FXPro UK?
Believe me if you make a large deposit into one of their other regulated branches they can take your money (it happened to someone I know who made $500k profit with fxpro)

Quote from: Nasdaq100
you are under the regulation of where your account exist.
so if your account is FXPro russia, then you can't really complain to the FCA

Quote from: Nasdaq100
That was just an example, I don't even know if fxpro has actually opened there as their owners are in fact Russians.

(https://s5.gifyu.com/images/Mona-LIsa.gif)

Russians everywhere!!!!!

I like them. Yes, some of them are a bit rough around the edges but many of them are fine people. If you don't mind, please stop  poking nasdaq100.

I don't think that you are wrong but it simple does not help to argue with him. Also, this topic is about Swap Master, please keep that in mind.

Thank You! :)

PS: The Mona Lisa is awesome! :P
Title: Re: Swap Master - Market Neutral Arbitrage Trading
Post by: Nasdaq100 on December 01, 2019, 02:56:03 AM
Uhhh the amount of stupidity in here is through the roof.

For those who just don't seem to get it yet, here is another example: if you open with fxpro Cyprus then you won't be protected under the FCA. Happy now?!!

I should have directed my question directly to FXPro instead of posting it to this vendor.

Look, this topic is not about Russians and it is also not about your friend who allegedly made 500K profit on an FxPro account and never got the money. If you would like to talk about it, may I suggest that you open a new topic for it.

And btw, because some users caught you telling wild "pirate stories", it does not mean that they are stupid.

Forex21.. I don't know if you are stupid or just pretending to be one.

My question has nothing to do with Russians. I clearly asked if your method works with FXPro UK, beside the other shady branches of FXPro. So your answer should be YES or NO. And how much profit it will generate by using the FXPro UK compared with the other branches of FXPro?
(meaning are there swap value difference between each branch of FXPro?)
 
Title: Re: Swap Master - Market Neutral Arbitrage Trading
Post by: plamar on December 02, 2019, 09:22:51 AM
Quote from: Nasdaq100
Is this at the FXPro UK?
Believe me if you make a large deposit into one of their other regulated branches they can take your money (it happened to someone I know who made $500k profit with fxpro)

Quote from: Nasdaq100
you are under the regulation of where your account exist.
so if your account is FXPro russia, then you can't really complain to the FCA

Quote from: Nasdaq100
That was just an example, I don't even know if fxpro has actually opened there as their owners are in fact Russians.

Quote from: Nasdaq100
Uhhh the amount of stupidity in here is through the roof.

Quote from: Nasdaq100
I don't know if you are stupid or just pretending to be one.

Quote from: Nasdaq100
My question has nothing to do with Russians.

(https://s5.gifyu.com/images/Mona-LIsa.gif)(https://s5.gifyu.com/images/Mona-LIsa.gif)

nasdaq100 aka Eddie Megaboot is the person behind the 2012 Megaboot scheme. In 2012 he claimed to has 13 years trading experience.
He is now in his mid 50is, has according to his own word 20 years trading experience and trade a 400$ cent account.
Megaboot was a martingale EA that failed many time. Whenever the EA blew up, he knows who is to blame. Somebody but not him!

Today he trades almost exclusive a crypto coin with less than 10k daily trading volume. His 400$ cent account is under water and stats look like from a trader who started trading last week.

He repeatedly shows up in various topic and posted false claims and made ridicules accusations. When he get caught he changes his story and attack those who made fun of whim like a school bully.

Preferable he calls everybody stupid who does not agree with him. As sad his story is, there is a lot to learn.

His story is sad and there is lot to learn.


Title: Re: Swap Master - Market Neutral Arbitrage Trading
Post by: MastaerFX on December 03, 2019, 09:44:29 AM
They have cyber monday discounted deal at the website now 249 bucks and I like the offer. I wonder only what happens if all interest rates will suddenly become flat, equal or something else? What do we do then?
Title: Re: Swap Master - Market Neutral Arbitrage Trading
Post by: Forex21 on December 03, 2019, 10:41:15 AM
They have cyber monday discounted deal at the website now 249 bucks and I like the offer. I wonder only what happens if all interest rates will suddenly become flat, equal or something else? What do we do then?

I would say it is very unlikely that all major central banks will cancel the interest rate model, don't you agree?
After all, interest rates are one of the most important economic control tools.

You can also take a look to OECD interest rates forecast. While they are only 'forecasts', they are usually reliable. As you can see, rates will change a bit but there will be plenty of opportunities.

(https://i.ibb.co/vBYTHNF/oecd.png)

https://data.oecd.org/interest/short-term-interest-rates-forecast.htm#indicator-chart

I hope this helps!
Title: Re: Swap Master - Market Neutral Arbitrage Trading
Post by: MastaerFX on December 03, 2019, 10:56:26 AM
They have cyber monday discounted deal at the website now 249 bucks and I like the offer. I wonder only what happens if all interest rates will suddenly become flat, equal or something else? What do we do then?

I would say it is very unlikely that all major central banks will cancel the interest rate model, don't you agree?
After all, interest rates are one of the most important economic control tools.

You can also take a look to OECD interest rates forecast. While they are only 'forecasts', they are usually reliable. As you can see, rates will change a bit but there will be plenty of opportunities.

(https://i.ibb.co/vBYTHNF/oecd.png)

https://data.oecd.org/interest/short-term-interest-rates-forecast.htm#indicator-chart

I hope this helps!

What about short term changes?
Title: Re: Swap Master - Market Neutral Arbitrage Trading
Post by: FLechdrop on December 03, 2019, 12:27:40 PM
As we can see in the graph, most developed countries have low or negative interest rates (and probably will for a while) and for the higher rates you will have to trade exotic pairs.
Title: Re: Swap Master - Market Neutral Arbitrage Trading
Post by: Forex21 on December 03, 2019, 12:43:18 PM
As we can see in the graph, most developed countries have low or negative interest rates (and probably will for a while) and for the higher rates you will have to trade exotic pairs.

I would not like to trade coconuts against the Euro but USD, NOK, SAR, CZK, NZD, NZD, AUD, CAD and others offer great opportunities. :)
Title: Re: Swap Master - Market Neutral Arbitrage Trading
Post by: Forex21 on December 03, 2019, 12:50:47 PM
They have cyber monday discounted deal at the website now 249 bucks and I like the offer. I wonder only what happens if all interest rates will suddenly become flat, equal or something else? What do we do then?

I would say it is very unlikely that all major central banks will cancel the interest rate model, don't you agree?
After all, interest rates are one of the most important economic control tools.

You can also take a look to OECD interest rates forecast. While they are only 'forecasts', they are usually reliable. As you can see, rates will change a bit but there will be plenty of opportunities.

(https://i.ibb.co/vBYTHNF/oecd.png)

https://data.oecd.org/interest/short-term-interest-rates-forecast.htm#indicator-chart

I hope this helps!

What about short term changes?

Interest rates move slowly and usually with a clear trend. There is always enough time to adapt portfolios and replace some if necessary. It is not like a the EUR zone increases rates by 500 points (5%) in Dezember and cuts them by 800 points (8%) in January. :)

If you look to the short term outlook you will see that there are always opportunities.

Short term outlook: https://data.oecd.org/interest/short-term-interest-rates-forecast.htm#indicator-chart
Title: Re: Swap Master - Market Neutral Arbitrage Trading
Post by: Forex21 on December 03, 2019, 12:54:23 PM
As we can see in the graph, most developed countries have low or negative interest rates (and probably will for a while) and for the higher rates you will have to trade exotic pairs.

I would not like to trade coconuts against the Zollar but USD, NOK, SAR, CZK, NZD, NZD, AUD, CAD and others offer great opportunities. :)
Title: Re: Swap Master - Market Neutral Arbitrage Trading
Post by: MastaerFX on December 03, 2019, 12:57:45 PM
Zollar?   Solar powered Dollar? :o
Title: Re: Swap Master - Market Neutral Arbitrage Trading
Post by: Forex21 on December 03, 2019, 01:00:31 PM
Zollar?   Solar powered Dollar? :o

RTGS Dollar (Zimdollar or zollar) 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RTGS_Dollar

I hope this helps!

Alexander
Title: Re: Swap Master - Market Neutral Arbitrage Trading
Post by: FLechdrop on December 03, 2019, 01:08:22 PM
As we can see in the graph, most developed countries have low or negative interest rates (and probably will for a while) and for the higher rates you will have to trade exotic pairs.

I would not like to trade coconuts against the Euro but USD, NOK, SAR, CZK, NZD, NZD, AUD, CAD and others offer great opportunities. :)

Sure! But most of these are probably on the way down and South Africa... I am not sure it belongs in this list, really.
Title: Re: Swap Master - Market Neutral Arbitrage Trading
Post by: Foxy_Trader on December 03, 2019, 06:32:44 PM
What about short term changes?
I don't trust such kind of forecasts and advise you not to rely on them too.
No one knows the future, really  8)
The rates not likely will drop as banks have to attract money bags somehow and I think that they will keep changing rather randomly as everything on this planet  ::)
Title: Re: Swap Master - Market Neutral Arbitrage Trading
Post by: Forex21 on December 04, 2019, 10:15:24 AM
As we can see in the graph, most developed countries have low or negative interest rates (and probably will for a while) and for the higher rates you will have to trade exotic pairs.

I would not like to trade coconuts against the Euro but USD, NOK, SAR, CZK, NZD, NZD, AUD, CAD and others offer great opportunities. :)

Sure! But most of these are probably on the way down and South Africa... I am not sure it belongs in this list, really.

Over time some go up and some go down. That is the way it is and that is how it should be. Because when all go up and non go down it would be a problem and vica verse as well.

As for the "where do the rates go" question. Personally, I don't know and I don't do my own forecast models and I do not participate in guesswork. I do check from time to time models from the OECD because they have access to a flood of data and there work many Phd experts who do nothing else than create as reliable as possible forecast models.
Title: Re: Swap Master - Market Neutral Arbitrage Trading
Post by: scottynorman on December 04, 2019, 01:56:35 PM
Yeah, you have to have a quite big account - need to be ready for high dd :)
Title: Re: Swap Master - Market Neutral Arbitrage Trading
Post by: Forex21 on December 04, 2019, 02:29:35 PM
Yeah, you have to have a quite big account - need to be ready for high dd :)

Am I right if I say that you skipped reading the first post?

https://donnaforex.com/index.php?topic=22432.msg392994#msg392994
Title: Re: Swap Master - Market Neutral Arbitrage Trading
Post by: F1Maniac on December 04, 2019, 10:27:54 PM
@ people who purchased this - has anyone found profitable setup when using brokers from tightly regulated area only (FCA/ASIC). I am not requesting for exact info on pairs or brokers, but just wanting to understand if my finding that atleast one side of the trade definitely needs brokers from lightly regulated countries to find profitable setups. appreciated.
Title: Re: Swap Master - Market Neutral Arbitrage Trading
Post by: Josef on December 05, 2019, 07:26:15 AM
@ people who purchased this - has anyone found profitable setup when using brokers from tightly regulated area only (FCA/ASIC). I am not requesting for exact info on pairs or brokers, but just wanting to understand if my finding that atleast one side of the trade definitely needs brokers from lightly regulated countries to find profitable setups. appreciated.

Yes.
Title: Re: Swap Master - Market Neutral Arbitrage Trading
Post by: Foxy_Trader on December 05, 2019, 08:51:26 AM
@ people who purchased this - has anyone found profitable setup when using brokers from tightly regulated area only (FCA/ASIC). I am not requesting for exact info on pairs or brokers, but just wanting to understand if my finding that atleast one side of the trade definitely needs brokers from lightly regulated countries to find profitable setups. appreciated.

As I wrote earlier - yes  8)
I even posted brokers.
Title: Re: Swap Master - Market Neutral Arbitrage Trading
Post by: Frederico_K on December 05, 2019, 08:57:03 AM
@ people who purchased this - has anyone found profitable setup when using brokers from tightly regulated area only (FCA/ASIC). I am not requesting for exact info on pairs or brokers, but just wanting to understand if my finding that atleast one side of the trade definitely needs brokers from lightly regulated countries to find profitable setups. appreciated.

As I wrote earlier - yes  8)
I even posted brokers.

and I have followed it !! very much appreciate, Foxy!
Title: Re: Swap Master - Market Neutral Arbitrage Trading
Post by: Stephan09 on December 05, 2019, 12:02:45 PM
Ok, I am going to put 2000 usd live portfolio now, wish me luck  :)
I was making my research up and down, learning the combinations at Forex21 forum and here I am. I will let run the circle for a couple of months and add more money if no surprise comes.
Title: Re: Swap Master - Market Neutral Arbitrage Trading
Post by: Mad_Matt on December 05, 2019, 12:04:25 PM
Can I have a free copy?
Title: Re: Swap Master - Market Neutral Arbitrage Trading
Post by: laracroft on December 05, 2019, 07:16:40 PM
The opportunities for arbitrage with swap are many even with regulated brokers.
I recommend you to see the very useful table shown by this site which is done with great care and professionalism:

https://forexbenchmark.com/brokers/swap_arbitrage/ (https://forexbenchmark.com/brokers/swap_arbitrage/)

There are dozens of possible combinations
Title: Re: Swap Master - Market Neutral Arbitrage Trading
Post by: Nasdaq100 on December 06, 2019, 08:53:20 AM
If your money double at the unregulated broker, then good luck withdrawing your money.

Both sides MUST be heavily regulated as the first step to make this feasible
Title: Re: Swap Master - Market Neutral Arbitrage Trading
Post by: F1Maniac on December 09, 2019, 03:22:10 AM
If your money double at the unregulated broker, then good luck withdrawing your money.

Both sides MUST be heavily regulated as the first step to make this feasible
this is my main concern with this approach. although looking at the links there's money to be made elsewhere.
Title: Re: Swap Master - Market Neutral Arbitrage Trading
Post by: Josef on December 09, 2019, 09:50:29 AM
If your money double at the unregulated broker, then good luck withdrawing your money.

Both sides MUST be heavily regulated as the first step to make this feasible
this is my main concern with this approach. although looking at the links there's money to be made elsewhere.

I read your zero effort posts on the forex21 forum. Me thinks that as long you don't know the difference between points and pips you should not trade this.
Title: Re: Swap Master - Market Neutral Arbitrage Trading
Post by: Sergius on December 09, 2019, 10:13:23 AM
@ people who purchased this - has anyone found profitable setup when using brokers from tightly regulated area only (FCA/ASIC). I am not requesting for exact info on pairs or brokers, but just wanting to understand if my finding that atleast one side of the trade definitely needs brokers from lightly regulated countries to find profitable setups. appreciated.

Yes.

I bought some system from them earlier. Not bad stuff. Not bad at all.
If I buy this, will I also get info what I can trade. The what and where stuff?
Or do I have to dig it all out myself?
Title: Re: Swap Master - Market Neutral Arbitrage Trading
Post by: Forex21 on December 09, 2019, 10:16:30 AM
Can I have a free copy?

No  :)
Title: Re: Swap Master - Market Neutral Arbitrage Trading
Post by: Nasdaq100 on December 09, 2019, 10:20:45 AM
If your money double at the unregulated broker, then good luck withdrawing your money.

Both sides MUST be heavily regulated as the first step to make this feasible
this is my main concern with this approach. although looking at the links there's money to be made elsewhere.

I read your zero effort posts on the forex21 forum. Me thinks that as long you don't know the difference between points and pips you should not trade this.

Have you found your holly grail combination?

There is no points or pips here, please dont try to act smart. We still have not passed the first stage of finding the right combination of brokers + pairs that generates good monthly percentage without opening high number of lots which could result in more blow ups on one side or the other and thus, more money withdrawal/transfer fees + new spread charges. 
Title: Re: Swap Master - Market Neutral Arbitrage Trading
Post by: Forex21 on December 09, 2019, 10:25:31 AM
I bought some system from them earlier. Not bad stuff. Not bad at all.
If I buy this, will I also get info what I can trade. The what and where stuff?
Or do I have to dig it all out myself?

Hello Sergius.
After ordering you will receive access to the Swap Master group content. There you will find ready to use portfolio information (this includes broker info as well). Plus, together with the software you will also receive a detailed user guide with examples and a step by step guide how you can do your own research.

(https://i.ibb.co/rFL8pb2/team.png)

I hope this helps!
Alexander

Title: Re: Swap Master - Market Neutral Arbitrage Trading
Post by: Forex21 on December 09, 2019, 10:38:46 AM
@ Nasdaq100

Insulting forum members as retards and posting racist comments does not make you look cool.
Title: Re: Swap Master - Market Neutral Arbitrage Trading
Post by: Forex21 on December 09, 2019, 10:46:25 AM
Ok, I am going to put 2000 usd live portfolio now, wish me luck  :)
I was making my research up and down, learning the combinations at Forex21 forum and here I am. I will let run the circle for a couple of months and add more money if no surprise comes.

Hello Stephan.

You portfolio choice is solid and I expect that you will see consistent results.

 :)
Title: Re: Swap Master - Market Neutral Arbitrage Trading
Post by: Josef on December 10, 2019, 09:14:46 AM
Have you found your holly grail combination?

Try work troll.
Title: Re: Swap Master - Market Neutral Arbitrage Trading
Post by: Josef on December 10, 2019, 09:27:35 AM
@ people who purchased this - has anyone found profitable setup when using brokers from tightly regulated area only (FCA/ASIC). I am not requesting for exact info on pairs or brokers, but just wanting to understand if my finding that atleast one side of the trade definitely needs brokers from lightly regulated countries to find profitable setups. appreciated.

Yes.

Portfolio with 1 pair and 2 brokerage firms. Both ASIC regulated. Net difference is 24.87 points. You had access to similar designs, yet you ask if anyone found profitable setup with tightly regulated brokers.

(https://i.ibb.co/64nZ6s3/so-nice.png)
Title: Re: Swap Master - Market Neutral Arbitrage Trading
Post by: F1Maniac on December 10, 2019, 11:06:01 AM
@ people who purchased this - has anyone found profitable setup when using brokers from tightly regulated area only (FCA/ASIC). I am not requesting for exact info on pairs or brokers, but just wanting to understand if my finding that atleast one side of the trade definitely needs brokers from lightly regulated countries to find profitable setups. appreciated.

Yes.

Portfolio with 1 pair and 2 brokerage firms. Both ASIC regulated. Net difference is 24.87 points. You had access to similar designs, yet you ask if anyone found profitable setup with tightly regulated brokers.

(https://i.ibb.co/64nZ6s3/so-nice.png)
you couldnt just leave it at answering my question right, have to show that you are the smart alex... i hope you make millions with this setup and it lasts more than a fortnight.
Title: Re: Swap Master - Market Neutral Arbitrage Trading
Post by: Adrian the Sun on December 10, 2019, 12:25:45 PM
Quote

(https://i.ibb.co/64nZ6s3/so-nice.png)


How do I chose what to trade?

Any coupon for profx users?
Title: Re: Swap Master - Market Neutral Arbitrage Trading
Post by: Stephan09 on December 10, 2019, 12:40:24 PM
F1Maniac and Nasdaq100 I'm sorry to say this but I got the impression that you just sit here and try to find why the system cannot work, while several users here answered detailed that there are solid combinations and named them even.
Anyway, you just keep repeating the same without noticing the answers to your one and the same question again and again.
And when it came obvious that setups are here you simply turn rude and unfriendly.
This is weird, really. Why would you do this all?
If you don't want to put an effort to get something work for you then it is your choice, but why do you try to blackmail really proper trading concept?
Title: Re: Swap Master - Market Neutral Arbitrage Trading
Post by: Nasdaq100 on December 10, 2019, 03:15:47 PM
F1Maniac and Nasdaq100 I'm sorry to say this but I got the impression that you just sit here and try to find why the system cannot work, while several users here answered detailed that there are solid combinations and named them even.
Anyway, you just keep repeating the same without noticing the answers to your one and the same question again and again.
And when it came obvious that setups are here you simply turn rude and unfriendly.
This is weird, really. Why would you do this all?
If you don't want to put an effort to get something work for you then it is your choice, but why do you try to blackmail really proper trading concept?

Stephan, I am sorry I did not mean to be rude. I just saw literally thousands of vendors come and go on this forum since I registered in this forum 10 years ago. I remain skeptic till I see a myfxbook performance link were I get to analyse and read other people analysis.

In this case there is no way to verify anything on myfxbook, and the only way to verify anything in this specific case is see an actual combination that works and produce reasonable profit. (anything at 1% and above is very good in my views)

So far I have seen no evidence of any combination between two properly regulated brokers. Yes I saw the list of combinations in the list of brokers through the link provided earlier. But profits or points or what ever you wish to call it were ridiculously too low whenever you try to match between two regulated brokers. Preferably with the FCA. But ASIC is also good to go.

So far nothing has been shown and I have to remain skeptic, I am sorry.
Title: Re: Swap Master - Market Neutral Arbitrage Trading
Post by: Foxy_Trader on December 10, 2019, 04:29:59 PM
C'mon this all became dramatically boring to read  :o
The topic looks like "everyone tries to assure Nadaq100 in something"  8)
Don't see, so let be it. I am sure you have something better to do in your life then seat here and keep complaining about the system you even did not see from close  :P
Title: Re: Swap Master - Market Neutral Arbitrage Trading
Post by: Forex21 on December 10, 2019, 04:57:08 PM
Quote

(https://i.ibb.co/64nZ6s3/so-nice.png)


How do I chose what to trade?

Any coupon for profx users?

Hello Adrian.

Quote
How do I chose what to trade?

Good question. I always recommend to start with a simple portfolio (one instrument and two brokers this is) and build from there. We have portfolio examples in the member forum and you can also do your own research.

Quote
Any coupon for profx users?

No, but it is still available for the introducing price of 249.00$.

I hope this helps. Please let me know if you have further questions.

Alexander
Title: Re: Swap Master - Market Neutral Arbitrage Trading
Post by: Skretcher on December 10, 2019, 05:24:28 PM
Quote

(https://i.ibb.co/64nZ6s3/so-nice.png)


How do I chose what to trade?

Any coupon for profx users?

Hello Adrian.

Quote
How do I chose what to trade?

Good question. I always recommend to start with a simple portfolio (one instrument and two brokers this is) and build from there. We have portfolio examples in the member forum and you can also do your own research.

Quote
Any coupon for profx users?

No, but it is still available for the introducing price of 249.00$.

I hope this helps. Please let me know if you have further questions.

Alexander

How much $ does one need on each?


Title: Re: Swap Master - Market Neutral Arbitrage Trading
Post by: plamar on December 10, 2019, 10:32:58 PM
There is no points or pips here, please dont try to act smart.

Yeah  brokers do swap details in pickled cucumbers. :D
Me thinks, it was again my russians oligarchs friends you told us about earlier. The come in night, took the points and replaced them with pickled cucumbers.

But wait. On instrument it still say point. Ohhhh, you sneaky oligarch. You trick as. AGAIN!

(https://i.ibb.co/64nZ6s3/so-nice.png)
Title: Re: Swap Master - Market Neutral Arbitrage Trading
Post by: Forex21 on December 11, 2019, 07:03:26 AM

....I am sorry I did not mean to be rude.

You called other traders retards but you don't want to be rude. A spot a little conflict here.

So far nothing has been shown and I have to remain skeptic, I am sorry.

Users provided examples and I posted specially for you broker details as well. Apparently, you did not look to it. Instead you made up a story about FxPro russia and a person who allegedly did not get his 500K profit from FxPro.  :-X




Title: Re: Swap Master - Market Neutral Arbitrage Trading
Post by: Forex21 on December 11, 2019, 07:04:16 AM
Quote

(https://i.ibb.co/64nZ6s3/so-nice.png)


How do I chose what to trade?

Any coupon for profx users?

Hello Adrian.

Quote
How do I chose what to trade?

Good question. I always recommend to start with a simple portfolio (one instrument and two brokers this is) and build from there. We have portfolio examples in the member forum and you can also do your own research.

Quote
Any coupon for profx users?

No, but it is still available for the introducing price of 249.00$.

I hope this helps. Please let me know if you have further questions.

Alexander

How much $ does one need on each?

1000$/portfolio is the recommend minimum.
Title: Re: Swap Master - Market Neutral Arbitrage Trading
Post by: Nasdaq100 on December 11, 2019, 03:13:39 PM

....I am sorry I did not mean to be rude.

You called other traders retards but you don't want to be rude. A spot a little conflict here.

So far nothing has been shown and I have to remain skeptic, I am sorry.

Users provided examples and I posted specially for you broker details as well. Apparently, you did not look to it. Instead you made up a story about FxPro russia and a person who allegedly did not get his 500K profit from FxPro.  :-X

I see you follow my postings closely everywhere on this forum! :P

I called other traders retards in another topic which you obviously have not bothered to read. We had a clear case where a broker was showing clear signs of fraud and a lot of members jumped to warn others, however, we had some members here who I again call retards, because they backed up the broker and actually vouched for it despite all the CLEAR signs of fraud.

Anyways, I don't want to post here anymore to be honest as its becoming a complete waste of time. I have not found one single combination of regulated brokers with high swap difference, points, pips, over night rewards, or what ever you want to call it. For those who found something and don't want to share, I am happy for you and wish you good luck.

P.S, screenshots of hidden info means absolutely nothing.

Good luck!

Title: Re: Swap Master - Market Neutral Arbitrage Trading
Post by: Forex21 on December 11, 2019, 05:03:51 PM

November 27 a client shared with you a working broker combination. Both super dupa regulated. Sadly, you did not bother to take a closer look to it. Instead you entertained everybody with your wild wild west story about FxPro russia.

Good luck with your trading eddie!
Title: Re: Swap Master - Market Neutral Arbitrage Trading
Post by: plamar on December 12, 2019, 06:52:24 AM
So guys now that some of bought this product, could you please verify if you have found a good profitable set-up on two reputable brokers?

Indeed :) I have found the good ones for me.

We have at the moment 9 or 10 different portfolios on the support forum (User Group) and more are added pretty much every day. Some are simple (one instrument-two brokers) and others are more complex.

Yes.

Is this at the FXPro UK?
Believe me if you make a large deposit into one of their other regulated branches they can take your money (it happened to someone I know who made $500k profit with fxpro)
ACY securities I never heard of.


Quote from: Nasdaq100
you are under the regulation of where your account exist.
soif your account is FXPro russia, then you can't really complain to the FCA

I think you will find it difficult to open an account with Fx Pro Russia.  ;)

FXPRO TOOK 500K FROM PERSON HE KNOW. NEWS FLASH: FXPRO RUSSIA IS NOT EXIST AND THEY DO NOT HAVE UNREGULATD BRANCHES.

I will even name some for the lazy traders. But fish out your rates by yourselves guys, please! Do some work  :P ;D
Fx Pro/ACY Securities.


Portfolio with 1 pair and 2 brokerage firms. Both ASIC regulated. Net difference is 24.87 points. You had access to similar designs, yet you ask if anyone found profitable setup with tightly regulated brokers.
(https://i.ibb.co/64nZ6s3/so-nice.png)

Uhhh the amount of stupidity in here is through the roof.

Anyways, I don't want to post here anymore to be honest as its becoming a complete waste of time. I have not found one single combination of regulated brokers ...
P.S, screenshots of hidden info means absolutely nothing.

nasdaq100 make up story, insults other traders and when called out plays little girl you stole candy from.
Title: Re: Swap Master - Market Neutral Arbitrage Trading
Post by: Josef on December 12, 2019, 07:26:07 AM
nasdaq100 make up story, insults other traders and when called out plays little girl you stole candy from.

You cannot have a normal conversation with a troll plamar. They feed on hate and are happy when somebody pay attention to them. Just ignore him.

Title: Re: Swap Master - Market Neutral Arbitrage Trading
Post by: F1Maniac on December 12, 2019, 09:43:15 AM
F1Maniac and Nasdaq100 I'm sorry to say this but I got the impression that you just sit here and try to find why the system cannot work, while several users here answered detailed that there are solid combinations and named them even.
Anyway, you just keep repeating the same without noticing the answers to your one and the same question again and again.
And when it came obvious that setups are here you simply turn rude and unfriendly.
This is weird, really. Why would you do this all?
If you don't want to put an effort to get something work for you then it is your choice, but why do you try to blackmail really proper trading concept?

I dont think i've said anything wrong. I simply asked if anyone has found profitable setup. but our hero member earlier - specifically had to poke at the fact that i have not put in the effort, sure i had to give it back. and i get a private message about made up stuff from the author... point out a single post where I've made up. I've made factual statements based on the time and effort that I have. Yet I get a private message like this from the author, telling me what I should do with my career choices... lol hilarious.

Quote
Hello

I did not answer your posts because I do not want to spend time answering made up facts. We both know that you simple did not want to put in the needed effort to make this work for you. And that's ok with me. That is why we have a refund policy. You bought it and decided it is not for you and received a refund.

That's it. Leave it and think about if trading is actually for you. Because honestly, I think it is the wrong career choice for you. But I think you already know that.

Thank You!
Alexander
Title: Re: Swap Master - Market Neutral Arbitrage Trading
Post by: Josef on December 12, 2019, 05:00:18 PM
... point out a single post where I've made up.

This one.

@ people who purchased this - has anyone found profitable setup when using brokers from tightly regulated area only (FCA/ASIC). I am not requesting for exact info on pairs or brokers, but just wanting to understand if my finding that atleast one side of the trade definitely needs brokers from lightly regulated countries to find profitable setups. appreciated.

You had access to all portfolios posted on the swap master forum and knew about FCA/ASIC combos. You knew that they exist and you knew the broker details. But that did not stop you from pretending otherwise. That counts as made up in my book.
Title: Re: Swap Master - Market Neutral Arbitrage Trading
Post by: Sergius on December 12, 2019, 05:44:28 PM
I bought this last week would like to discuss the software and not the psychological problems from users. Can we do that?
Title: Re: Swap Master - Market Neutral Arbitrage Trading
Post by: Forex21 on December 13, 2019, 06:35:10 AM
Regarding FCA/ASIC
I would not limit myself to FCA and ASIC only. That's like you would limit yourself to live in one town and never leave it.

@Sergius
Yes, that would be nice. Meanwhile, if you have questions you can post them on the Forex21 forum and you can also write or call us. Contact details can be found here: https://forex21.com/contact-us/

Title: Re: Swap Master - Market Neutral Arbitrage Trading
Post by: Sergius on December 13, 2019, 08:09:02 AM
On their forum, there are combinations with all kind of brokers f1maniac. fca, asic, bafin, cysec. even brokers with bank license. To fasley claim otherwise is just not fair.
Title: Re: Swap Master - Market Neutral Arbitrage Trading
Post by: Forex21 on December 13, 2019, 10:30:41 AM
... point out a single post where I've made up.

This one.

@ people who purchased this - has anyone found profitable setup when using brokers from tightly regulated area only (FCA/ASIC). I am not requesting for exact info on pairs or brokers, but just wanting to understand if my finding that atleast one side of the trade definitely needs brokers from lightly regulated countries to find profitable setups. appreciated.

You had access to all portfolios posted on the swap master forum and knew about FCA/ASIC combos. You knew that they exist and you knew the broker details. But that did not stop you from pretending otherwise. That counts as made up in my book.

On their forum, there are combinations with all kind of brokers f1maniac. fca, asic, bafin, cysec. even brokers with bank license. To fasley claim otherwise is just not fair.

Everybody, and I mean everybody who want's to know how much opportunities exists can do his own research.

1) Go to MyFxBook and write down all listed servers.
2) Open demo accounts with all of them.
3) Go to the contract specifications of every account and every instrument.
4) Put the info to an excel sheet and compare them.
5) Filter out brokers you do not want to deal with.

Sounds like much work? It is and I am absolutely sure that non of the "there are no combination" trolls will ever do it. They want that others do the work for them, that others tell them what they should trade, that others calculate the lot sizes for them and do all the work for them.

Ignoring there free lunch requests is the only way to get rid of them.

Here is what's what:
Swap Trading offers great opportunities with very low risk. But it is different than regular trading and there are things what needs to be learned by new users. When you are willing to put in some effort (it is not that much), you will succeed with it. I and my colleague will help you, install it for you when needed and provide portfolio ideas and guidance.

However, if you are not willing to put in any effort (like reading the manual collecting portfolio info from the forum), it will not work for you. You will waste your time and my as well. It is just like with everything else in life. If you are willing to do what it takes, you will succeed. If you are willing to do what it takes, you will fail and make excuses.
Title: Re: Swap Master - Market Neutral Arbitrage Trading
Post by: Lewis on December 16, 2019, 10:50:07 AM
Hi all  :)
I was reading all SM topic here and decided to register so that I can be involved in the discussion.
For those who by any chance faced refund was it unproblematic?
I want to buy the system, I have learned the rates and have a few combinations on my mind.
But if something goes wrong can be trouble with the money-back question I wonder?
Title: Re: Swap Master - Market Neutral Arbitrage Trading
Post by: alex100 on December 16, 2019, 06:39:46 PM
Hi all  :)
I was reading all SM topic here and decided to register so that I can be involved in the discussion.
For those who by any chance faced refund was it unproblematic?
I want to buy the system, I have learned the rates and have a few combinations on my mind.
But if something goes wrong can be trouble with the money-back question I wonder?
No problems with a refund. I've got my money back after a week I submitted.
Title: Re: Swap Master - Market Neutral Arbitrage Trading
Post by: Lewis on December 17, 2019, 09:21:57 AM
Hi all  :)
I was reading all SM topic here and decided to register so that I can be involved in the discussion.
For those who by any chance faced refund was it unproblematic?
I want to buy the system, I have learned the rates and have a few combinations on my mind.
But if something goes wrong can be trouble with the money-back question I wonder?
No problems with a refund. I've got my money back after a week I submitted.

This is good to know, thank you.
Working refunds by a vendor are essential.
Title: Re: Swap Master - Market Neutral Arbitrage Trading
Post by: Forex21 on December 17, 2019, 06:45:08 PM
Hi all  :)
I was reading all SM topic here and decided to register so that I can be involved in the discussion.
For those who by any chance faced refund was it unproblematic?
I want to buy the system, I have learned the rates and have a few combinations on my mind.
But if something goes wrong can be trouble with the money-back question I wonder?

All orders are backed up by our unconditional refund policy. Refunds are usually processed within 1-2 business days but in some cases it takes some additional time until the amount is booked back to the clients CC.

That said, if you are not sure if it is for you or not, please don't hesitate to get in touch with us before ordering.

I hope this helps!
Alexander  :)
Title: Re: Swap Master - Market Neutral Arbitrage Trading
Post by: yangsail on December 18, 2019, 02:44:03 AM
Looks interesting!

Do I have to choose different brokers or I can open 2 or 3 accounts in the sme broker? Thanks!
Title: Re: Swap Master - Market Neutral Arbitrage Trading
Post by: Forex21 on December 22, 2019, 12:17:27 PM
Looks interesting!

Do I have to choose different brokers or I can open 2 or 3 accounts in the sme broker? Thanks!

Swap Master is a multi account system. You need two or more different accounts because there is no positive difference if you run portfolios on the same account.

I hope this helps.
Alexander
Title: Re: Swap Master - Market Neutral Arbitrage Trading
Post by: iMusingKiMi on December 26, 2019, 08:39:25 AM
Ok, I am going to put 2000 usd live portfolio now, wish me luck  :)
I was making my research up and down, learning the combinations at Forex21 forum and here I am. I will let run the circle for a couple of months and add more money if no surprise comes.

Any update from your live account? Is it everything going smooth? Can share some information please?
Title: Re: Swap Master - Market Neutral Arbitrage Trading
Post by: laracroft on December 26, 2019, 07:48:17 PM
can the master swap software be set up to close positions on related accounts each month in order to collect the earnings from swap differences monthly?
Title: Re: Swap Master - Market Neutral Arbitrage Trading
Post by: Forex21 on December 28, 2019, 08:27:12 AM
can the master swap software be set up to close positions on related accounts each month in order to collect the earnings from swap differences monthly?

There is no 'close trades at the end of the month' function because basically you want to keep your trades open for as long as possible. However, if you want to close your trades at the end of the month, or any other time, you can do this with the click of one single button.

Swap is earned and paid daily.

I hope this helps!
Alexander
Title: Re: Swap Master - Market Neutral Arbitrage Trading
Post by: laracroft on December 30, 2019, 05:56:45 PM

There is no 'close trades at the end of the month' function because basically you want to keep your trades open for as long as possible. However, if you want to close your trades at the end of the month, or any other time, you can do this with the click of one single button.

Swap is earned and paid daily.

I hope this helps!
Alexander

I have real accounts on ICMARKETS and on DARWINEX and the swap costs are charged only when the operations are closed.
I don't know what the other brokers do
Title: Re: Swap Master - Market Neutral Arbitrage Trading
Post by: alex100 on December 30, 2019, 11:48:55 PM
This message I received this morning from my broker:

"As end of year is imminent, you will notice that most FX pairs have negative carry (charging swaps) on both long and short positions in the swap update today. Referred to as a ‘turn’ effect, supply and demand for funding over year-end affects forward curves for most currencies which in turn causes swaps to widen.

Therefore, you will be seeing comparatively inflated swap over the close of the year/start of the new year vs normal market conditions. We will be updating swaps throughout this week and the next and will advise once swaps return back to normal market conditions."
Title: Re: Swap Master - Market Neutral Arbitrage Trading
Post by: pipsbuster on January 01, 2020, 01:20:11 PM
Here’s detailed swap data for different MT4 forex brokers:  https://www.myfxbook.com/en/forex-broker-swaps

What would be some examples of profitable combinations from this list?
Title: Re: Swap Master - Market Neutral Arbitrage Trading
Post by: Forex21 on January 01, 2020, 01:36:06 PM

There is no 'close trades at the end of the month' function because basically you want to keep your trades open for as long as possible. However, if you want to close your trades at the end of the month, or any other time, you can do this with the click of one single button.

Swap is earned and paid daily.

I hope this helps!
Alexander

I have real accounts on ICMARKETS and on DARWINEX and the swap costs are charged only when the operations are closed.
I don't know what the other brokers do

As long the trade is open, the swap will not show in the closed trades section of your terminal. Simple because the trade is still not closed. However, the swap itself is paid/earned daily.
Title: Re: Swap Master - Market Neutral Arbitrage Trading
Post by: pipsbuster on January 02, 2020, 12:44:32 PM
Can any user of this software here post two verified MyFXBook links to their live accounts showing a positive combined equity?
Title: Re: Swap Master - Market Neutral Arbitrage Trading
Post by: Forex21 on January 03, 2020, 10:27:50 PM
Can any user of this software here post two verified MyFXBook links to their live accounts showing a positive combined equity?

I would love to share my accounts but non of the verification services are made for multi account swap tracking. I posted somewhere a detailed problem description. Taking a look to the following screenshot will do as well: https://ibb.co/h76W9ZQ

I hope this helps.
Alexander
Title: Re: Swap Master - Market Neutral Arbitrage Trading
Post by: pipsbuster on January 03, 2020, 11:20:30 PM
Can any user of this software here post two verified MyFXBook links to their live accounts showing a positive combined equity?

I would love to share my accounts but non of the verification services are made for multi account swap tracking. I posted somewhere a detailed problem description. Taking a look to the following screenshot will do as well: https://ibb.co/h76W9ZQ

I hope this helps.
Alexander

I understand. You could post separate links to two accounts whose combined equity would be higher than the sum of their initial balances.
Title: Re: Swap Master - Market Neutral Arbitrage Trading
Post by: Forex21 on January 04, 2020, 12:03:43 AM


Can any user of this software here post two verified MyFXBook links to their live accounts showing a positive combined equity?

I would love to share my accounts but non of the verification services are made for multi account swap tracking. I posted somewhere a detailed problem description. Taking a look to the following screenshot will do as well: https://ibb.co/h76W9ZQ

I hope this helps.
Alexander

I understand. You could post separate links to two accounts whose combined equity would be higher than the sum of their initial balances.

No, because changes in the equity of two accounts would not verify swap gains. The first post contains several examples and there are statements available on our homepage. Traders who look for extra info can also do their own research.
Title: Re: Swap Master - Market Neutral Arbitrage Trading
Post by: pipsbuster on January 04, 2020, 12:37:53 AM


Can any user of this software here post two verified MyFXBook links to their live accounts showing a positive combined equity?

I would love to share my accounts but non of the verification services are made for multi account swap tracking. I posted somewhere a detailed problem description. Taking a look to the following screenshot will do as well: https://ibb.co/h76W9ZQ

I hope this helps.
Alexander

I understand. You could post separate links to two accounts whose combined equity would be higher than the sum of their initial balances.

No, because changes in the equity of two accounts would not verify swap gains. The first post contains several examples and there are statements available on our homepage. Traders who look for extra info can also do their own research.

All right, what about providing investor passwords to two accounts?
Title: Re: Swap Master - Market Neutral Arbitrage Trading
Post by: Forex21 on January 04, 2020, 09:03:01 AM
Same as with MyFxbook. The only thing it would do is feed free lunch seekers.

If you are a trader and do not believe the examples posted here and on our website, spend an hour and do your own research. You will learn that it works exactly as described. On the other hand, if you look for a free hand out, I am afraid I am not willing to help you out.

At the moment, portfolio details are posted on our forum but we will also start posting software screenshots in the next weeks. This will allow traders to follow the progress in terms of swap gains.
Title: Re: Swap Master - Market Neutral Arbitrage Trading
Post by: pipsbuster on January 04, 2020, 12:57:10 PM
What investment minimum do you recommend with this software for someone living in Europe?
Title: Re: Swap Master - Market Neutral Arbitrage Trading
Post by: FLechdrop on January 09, 2020, 09:15:48 AM
Question: Would it cause problems for the EA if you run other EAs on the same accounts? (Apart from if they lose a substantial amount of the original equity, which of course would cause problems.)
Title: Re: Swap Master - Market Neutral Arbitrage Trading
Post by: Forex21 on January 09, 2020, 10:15:08 AM
Question: Would it cause problems for the EA if you run other EAs on the same accounts? (Apart from if they lose a substantial amount of the original equity, which of course would cause problems.)

You can run Swap Master together with other EA's but I would not do it because of the following reasons:

1) It is easy to mix up information from trades.
2) Depending on how margin intensive the other EA's are, you might face unexpected margin situations. (unexpected situations are always bad when it comes to trading)

Separate accounts are the better option.

Alexander  :)
Title: Re: Swap Master - Market Neutral Arbitrage Trading
Post by: FLechdrop on January 09, 2020, 12:50:06 PM
Question: Would it cause problems for the EA if you run other EAs on the same accounts? (Apart from if they lose a substantial amount of the original equity, which of course would cause problems.)

You can run Swap Master together with other EA's but I would not do it because of the following reasons:

1) It is easy to mix up information from trades.
2) Depending on how margin intensive the other EA's are, you might face unexpected margin situations. (unexpected situations are always bad when it comes to trading)

Separate accounts are the better option.

Alexander  :)

Thanks for the quick reply.

I get point two. Not sure about point one. Do you mean it is easy for you to mix it up, or for the Swap Master EA?

The thing is I am looking to run a portfolio of EAs on one account, to have better average returns with lower DD because of diversification. That does not work if you run things on separate accounts. If I make 5% monthly on one account and 5% on the other, there is some diversification of risk, of course, but I will not get more than 5% in total. Whereas running them on the same account, I would get 10% total.

But yes, margin could be a serious concern here. I get that. Especially as the Swap Master would probably be using a significant portion of it.
Title: Re: Swap Master - Market Neutral Arbitrage Trading
Post by: Forex21 on January 09, 2020, 06:53:57 PM
Hello Flechdrop.

The EA will not mix up information but if you run Swap Master and a couple of other systems on one and the same account it might become challenging to track all trades.

Also, keep in mind that Swap Master is a multi account system and you will need in any case 2 accounts on different brokers to run it.

Alexander
Title: Re: Swap Master - Market Neutral Arbitrage Trading
Post by: pipsbuster on January 10, 2020, 06:13:07 AM
It looks like you will also need a lot of money to profit with this EA.
Title: Re: Swap Master - Market Neutral Arbitrage Trading
Post by: Forex21 on January 10, 2020, 08:09:56 AM
What investment minimum do you recommend with this software for someone living in Europe?

It depends. When I remember correct, you wrote in an E-Mail that you would like to share the capital to 4-5 brokers and would be only willing to use EU or Australia based brokers. This means fewer opportunities, higher costs and also lower returns.

Here is a little guide:

1k or less
1k or less can be used to practice setups in a live trading environment. But it does not make much sense to trade a few hundred $ with Swap Master.

1k-5k

This amount can be used to build an account. I would recommend a simple portfolio with one instrument and two brokers. Brokers should be of course regulated but you cannot to cherry picking. It is also not required, because no broker will close shop and run with your 2.5K. The plan should be to reinvest the monthly gains and don't touch the capital for at least one year.

5-10k

1 or 2 simple portfolios on 2 or max 3 brokers. This is where it starts to be interesting. You can trade larger and already start to trade more than one portfolio.

10K-50k
With this amount of trading capital you can already trade more complex portfolios on multiple brokers.

50k-100k
Depending on your yearly expenses, with this amount of trading capital you can basically life from the returns. Still, if you can reinvest it, this is where the fun starts.

 
Title: Re: Swap Master - Market Neutral Arbitrage Trading
Post by: pipsbuster on January 11, 2020, 12:15:20 AM

1k-5k

This amount can be used to build an account. I would recommend a simple portfolio with one instrument and two brokers. Brokers should be of course regulated but you cannot to cherry picking. It is also not required, because no broker will close shop and run with your 2.5K. The plan should be to reinvest the monthly gains and don't touch the capital for at least one year.

What profit percentage can I reasonably expect after a year with this approach?
Title: Re: Swap Master - Market Neutral Arbitrage Trading
Post by: Forex21 on January 16, 2020, 10:55:54 AM

1k-5k

This amount can be used to build an account. I would recommend a simple portfolio with one instrument and two brokers. Brokers should be of course regulated but you cannot to cherry picking. It is also not required, because no broker will close shop and run with your 2.5K. The plan should be to reinvest the monthly gains and don't touch the capital for at least one year.

What profit percentage can I reasonably expect after a year with this approach?

If you share the deposit you mentioned on two brokers you can make 100-150% (it depends how large you will trade) in 12 month.

I hope this helps.
Alexander
Title: Re: Swap Master - Market Neutral Arbitrage Trading
Post by: 5ninefish on January 16, 2020, 03:56:53 PM
Just want to confirm: due to broker restrictions, this system would not work well for US residents?
Title: Re: Swap Master - Market Neutral Arbitrage Trading
Post by: Forex21 on January 16, 2020, 05:38:55 PM
Just want to confirm: due to broker restrictions, this system would not work well for US residents?

Yes. Unofrtuanlty, US citizens have very limited options when it comes to broker choice. That takes away many opportunities.
Title: Re: Swap Master - Market Neutral Arbitrage Trading
Post by: goodexp on January 22, 2020, 09:53:21 AM
requested for refund 2 weeks ago and yet to receive the refund.
last email to support@forex21.com on 16 Jan went unanswered till now.

(https://i.ibb.co/svx5GD7/email.jpg)

meanwhile i can see that they have the time to reply in this forum and their own forum daily.
so beware guys! will update when i do receive my refund.

don't worry,forex21 will refund.  i did it many years ago,but maybe need some time~ :)
Title: Re: Swap Master - Market Neutral Arbitrage Trading
Post by: atomico on January 22, 2020, 02:56:39 PM
what are the time limit for ask a refund?
Title: Re: Swap Master - Market Neutral Arbitrage Trading
Post by: fxkiss on January 22, 2020, 03:10:48 PM
requested for refund 2 weeks ago and yet to receive the refund.
last email to support@forex21.com on 16 Jan went unanswered till now.

(https://i.ibb.co/svx5GD7/email.jpg)

meanwhile i can see that they have the time to reply in this forum and their own forum daily.
so beware guys! will update when i do receive my refund.
Directly asked why refunding? Is there any specific reason? Is it not working at all? Is it only working theoretically, but practically there are the problems 1, 2, 3?

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Title: Re: Swap Master - Market Neutral Arbitrage Trading
Post by: Forex21 on January 22, 2020, 08:15:47 PM
requested for refund 2 weeks ago and yet to receive the refund.
last email to support@forex21.com on 16 Jan went unanswered till now.
meanwhile i can see that they have the time to reply in this forum and their own forum daily.
so beware guys! will update when i do receive my refund.

Yes, we do have time to answer questions. :)

If you requested a refund within the refund period and your request included your name and order id (or any other info what allows us to find your order), then I am absolutely certain that your refund was processed. However, it sometimes takes some time until the cc issuing bank books the amount back to the clients card/account. But this is nothing what we can influence.

On the other hand...
If your request did not include any info, like the post here on the forum, then I cannot tell you if the refund was processed or not.

Alexander

Title: Re: Swap Master - Market Neutral Arbitrage Trading
Post by: Forex21 on January 22, 2020, 08:18:22 PM

don't worry, forex21 will refund.  i did it many years ago,but maybe need some time~ :)

Yes, we do. Good to read from you. How is trading going?
Title: Re: Swap Master - Market Neutral Arbitrage Trading
Post by: envisage on January 22, 2020, 08:24:14 PM
I don't know why anyone would even want to request a refund.

Have opened my first trades with Swap Master - now making over $100 every day in swap on ASIC regulated brokers doing absolutely nothing. Now looking at increasing my positions.

Recouped the cost of this EA in just a few days. Very happy customer - big fan of Swap Master and this strategy!
Title: Re: Swap Master - Market Neutral Arbitrage Trading
Post by: Ruairi OPleurisy on January 22, 2020, 11:03:49 PM
I don't know why anyone would even want to request a refund.

Have opened my first trades with Swap Master - now making over $100 every day in swap on ASIC regulated brokers doing absolutely nothing. Now looking at increasing my positions.

Recouped the cost of this EA in just a few days. Very happy customer - big fan of Swap Master and this strategy!
Good for you!  You have likely put in the time and effort required to ferret out good pairs and broker combos.

Can I ask you :-
- how much capital you have invested
- how many pairs you are using
- how many broker accounts are you using

Thanks, and good luck.
Title: Re: Swap Master - Market Neutral Arbitrage Trading
Post by: envisage on January 22, 2020, 11:21:22 PM
I don't know why anyone would even want to request a refund.

Have opened my first trades with Swap Master - now making over $100 every day in swap on ASIC regulated brokers doing absolutely nothing. Now looking at increasing my positions.

Recouped the cost of this EA in just a few days. Very happy customer - big fan of Swap Master and this strategy!
Good for you!  You have likely put in the time and effort required to ferret out good pairs and broker combos.

Can I ask you :-
- how much capital you have invested
- how many pairs you are using
- how many broker accounts are you using

Thanks, and good luck.

Yes I will admit, you do need to put in the time and research required but much support is provided in the private forum.

I decided to start with $5K in each account and will look at increasing this now I have seen the success.  I have started with a very simple portfolio using just two brokers and one pair.  Will continue to research to diversify with other pairs/brokers.

Cheers and good luck also!
Title: Re: Swap Master - Market Neutral Arbitrage Trading
Post by: Ruairi OPleurisy on January 23, 2020, 04:08:32 PM
Really? $100 every day with 5k? that would be like 60% per month and 720% (non-compounding) per year ;)
I think envisage is saying 5k in each account (two accounts = 10k investment in total).
Title: Re: Swap Master - Market Neutral Arbitrage Trading
Post by: Forex21 on January 23, 2020, 05:47:54 PM
a simple "yes" reply to my last email (on 16 jan) would have sufficed and i would have patiently waited for the refund.
instead i have to jump through hoops to get a reply/refund.
and yes my first email included my name and order id.
you may want to be more active with your support helpdesk as you are in these forums.

I found your E-Mail. You sent it with sender name Eric. And as you know Eric and your real name have nothing to do with each other. The E-Mail itself did not include any order related info. 

Look, you ordered the software and decide that it is not for you. That's absolutely fine. Clowning around is not and it certainly does not help your trading.


Title: Re: Swap Master - Market Neutral Arbitrage Trading
Post by: Foxy_Trader on January 23, 2020, 06:27:51 PM
Yes I will admit, you do need to put in the time and research required but much support is provided in the private forum.

I decided to start with $5K in each account and will look at increasing this now I have seen the success.  I have started with a very simple portfolio using just two brokers and one pair.  Will continue to research to diversify with other pairs/brokers.

Cheers and good luck also!

I get my profits steady too, but I have 2500 each side for now.
I am so happy to read your review, Envisage! Soooo tired to read just yelling here(https://yoursmiles.org/ssmile/sad/s0712.gif)
I am very happy with the concept and with the system and also have no clue how why would someone refund it(https://yoursmiles.org/ssmile/wonder/s1002.gif)
Title: Re: Swap Master - Market Neutral Arbitrage Trading
Post by: Ruairi OPleurisy on January 23, 2020, 11:28:22 PM
Hi Foxy, what sort of daily swap 'profit' are you building up with your $5k split across two brokers (2.5k at each)?  Thanks!
Title: Re: Swap Master - Market Neutral Arbitrage Trading
Post by: Forex21 on January 24, 2020, 07:50:56 AM
I found your E-Mail. You sent it with sender name Eric. And as you know Eric and your real name have nothing to do with each other. The E-Mail itself did not include any order related info. 

Look, you ordered the software and decide that it is not for you. That's absolutely fine. Clowning around is not and it certainly does not help your trading.
well then just reply asking for additional info, not simply ignoring emails.
take some initiative in your support helpdesk.
it will save you (and others) alot of trouble in the future.

So you send an E-Mail with the sender name "Eric" and expect me to know that it you "Vui Kwang" is the sender. That is interesting. I guess using your real name is not an option.

Asking for more info was certainly the right thing to do but as the E-Mail was automatically marked as spam, we did not see it until we searched for it.

Anyway. I wish you all the best for your trading career.

Francisco  ;)
Title: Re: Swap Master - Market Neutral Arbitrage Trading
Post by: maakuone on January 24, 2020, 04:52:53 PM
I bought it and now I'm lost where to send account registration. Email and forum post didn't help, maybe here it would be faster???
Title: Re: Swap Master - Market Neutral Arbitrage Trading
Post by: Forex21 on January 24, 2020, 09:10:55 PM
I bought it and now I'm lost where to send account registration. Email and forum post didn't help, maybe here it would be faster???

Where and how to register accounts is described in the user guide. E-Mails are answered as quickly as possible (usually within hours, sometimes within a day).

Requests on public boards are certainly not quicker answered.  ;)
Title: Re: Swap Master - Market Neutral Arbitrage Trading
Post by: Foxy_Trader on January 25, 2020, 04:07:23 PM
Hi Foxy, what sort of daily swap 'profit' are you building up with your $5k split across two brokers (2.5k at each)?  Thanks!

My portfolio runs for 1,5 months live and makes 5.5% monthly ;D
I totally love to look at this process!
Title: Re: Swap Master - Market Neutral Arbitrage Trading
Post by: Foxy_Trader on January 25, 2020, 04:09:42 PM
around $3-5 daily with a $2500+2500 config.

What I noticed reading this thread that there is always good reason why someone makes a refund.
In your case it is 'the numbers'  8) You don't have much to do with numbers, obviously.
Title: Re: Swap Master - Market Neutral Arbitrage Trading
Post by: Forex21 on January 25, 2020, 04:31:41 PM
So you send an E-Mail with the sender name "Eric" and expect me to know that it you "Vui Kwang" is the sender. That is interesting. I guess using your real name is not an option.
of course you should search using the sender email e.g abc123@gmail.com.
then you will find all our earlier conversations.

anyway finally received my refund today.
case closed  ;)

You requested a refund January 7 and the request was processed January 10. Though possible, I doubt that it took your cc issuing bank 15 days to book the money back to your cc.

Anyway, I am happy that the problem is solved.

One last request

Please stop bullying traders who use the Swap Master system with success. There is no way for you to know how much Foxytrader or any other users make with the software. Just making up some numbers does not help.

I wish you all the best for your trading.

Alexander




Title: Re: Swap Master - Market Neutral Arbitrage Trading
Post by: FLechdrop on January 25, 2020, 10:32:16 PM
Quote from: genkisan
I think envisage is saying 5k in each account (two accounts = 10k investment in total).
that would still be 30% per month and 360% per year

This does sound unlikely...

5,5% Per month I can believe, but 30%... What kind of pairs would that be?
Title: Re: Swap Master - Market Neutral Arbitrage Trading
Post by: Forex21 on January 27, 2020, 10:08:15 AM
btw i wasn't specifically replying to foxy_trader case.


First you make false claims, then you bully other users and now you think you can simple copy pictures from our website and post them allover without having any permission to do so.

Pictures on our website are subject to copyright. Please remove the image you copied without permission immediately from the ibb server and this forum.

Title: Re: Swap Master - Market Neutral Arbitrage Trading
Post by: Foxy_Trader on January 27, 2020, 10:12:27 AM
Damn, genkisan, what is your problem?  >:(
You bought the system, did not get to it, got your money back, it is as simple as the sun is hot. Why do you return again and again and keep yelling here?

Title: Re: Swap Master - Market Neutral Arbitrage Trading
Post by: Forex21 on January 27, 2020, 12:29:30 PM
Pictures on our website are subject to copyright. Please remove the image you copied without permission immediately from the ibb server and this forum.
oops. no harm intended. image removed as requested.

No. The image is not removed. In your own interest, please remove the image immediately from the image server you uploaded it.
Thank You.
Title: Re: Swap Master - Market Neutral Arbitrage Trading
Post by: Josef on January 30, 2020, 08:14:43 AM
i uploaded as a non-login user hence unable to delete the image directly.
i have submitted a request to remove the image at https://imgbb.com/contact

Pantsed. :D :D
Title: Re: Swap Master - Market Neutral Arbitrage Trading
Post by: Josef on January 30, 2020, 08:19:14 AM
I don't know why anyone would even want to request a refund.

Have opened my first trades with Swap Master - now making over $100 every day in swap on ASIC regulated brokers doing absolutely nothing. Now looking at increasing my positions.

Recouped the cost of this EA in just a few days. Very happy customer - big fan of Swap Master and this strategy!

Do you think this will work with large accounts 50-100K/side?
Title: Re: Swap Master - Market Neutral Arbitrage Trading
Post by: envisage on January 30, 2020, 08:37:20 AM
I don't know why anyone would even want to request a refund.

Have opened my first trades with Swap Master - now making over $100 every day in swap on ASIC regulated brokers doing absolutely nothing. Now looking at increasing my positions.

Recouped the cost of this EA in just a few days. Very happy customer - big fan of Swap Master and this strategy!

Do you think this will work with large accounts 50-100K/side?

Yes even better - I leveraged too highly and one leg of my trades got in trouble, so have topped up the accounts and are trading more conservatively with larger balances now.
Title: Re: Swap Master - Market Neutral Arbitrage Trading
Post by: Forex21 on February 04, 2020, 09:33:29 AM
f1maniac and a few other forum members repeated many times that according to their opinion only ASIC regulated brokers are good enough because of safety and so on.

And as I wrote several time before, that is simple not correct. A Bafin, CySec or offshore regulated broker can be (and most of the time) is as good as any ASIC regulated broker.

The best example is AXI Trader. They just went belly up and their AISC license was suspended.

Quote
AxiCorp's licence was suspended after ASIC found that AxiCorp failed to comply with financial services laws, namely the requirements to:

  • pay client money into an account with an Australian authorised deposit-taking institution
  • lodge product disclosure statement (PDS) in-use notices with ASIC
  • comply with the ASIC derivative transaction rules
  • comply with client money reporting rules; and
  • lodge financial statements with ASIC by the due date.

https://www.asic.gov.au/about-asic/news-centre/find-a-media-release/2020-releases/20-019mr-otc-derivatives-issuer-axicorp-financial-services-pty-ltd-applies-for-review-of-asic-s-decision-to-suspend-its-afs-licence/

Good news is that there are so far no reports about troubles with funds from traders.  :)
Title: Re: Swap Master - Market Neutral Arbitrage Trading
Post by: HFT Group on February 04, 2020, 11:58:08 AM
f1maniac and a few other forum members repeated many times that according to their opinion only ASIC regulated brokers are good enough because of safety and so on.

And as I wrote several time before, that is simple not correct. A Bafin, CySec or offshore regulated broker can be (and most of the time) is as good as any ASIC regulated broker.

The best example is AXI Trader. They just went belly up and their AISC license was suspended.

Quote
AxiCorp's licence was suspended after ASIC found that AxiCorp failed to comply with financial services laws, namely the requirements to:

  • pay client money into an account with an Australian authorised deposit-taking institution
  • lodge product disclosure statement (PDS) in-use notices with ASIC
  • comply with the ASIC derivative transaction rules
  • comply with client money reporting rules; and
  • lodge financial statements with ASIC by the due date.

https://www.asic.gov.au/about-asic/news-centre/find-a-media-release/2020-releases/20-019mr-otc-derivatives-issuer-axicorp-financial-services-pty-ltd-applies-for-review-of-asic-s-decision-to-suspend-its-afs-licence/

Good news is that there are so far no reports about troubles with funds from traders.  :)

Did you actually read the article? Axi appealed the decision and are operating as normal pending the outcome.
Title: Re: Swap Master - Market Neutral Arbitrage Trading
Post by: Forex21 on February 04, 2020, 10:11:10 PM
f1maniac and a few other forum members repeated many times that according to their opinion only ASIC regulated brokers are good enough because of safety and so on.

And as I wrote several time before, that is simple not correct. A Bafin, CySec or offshore regulated broker can be (and most of the time) is as good as any ASIC regulated broker.

The best example is AXI Trader. They just went belly up and their AISC license was suspended.

Quote
AxiCorp's licence was suspended after ASIC found that AxiCorp failed to comply with financial services laws, namely the requirements to:

  • pay client money into an account with an Australian authorised deposit-taking institution
  • lodge product disclosure statement (PDS) in-use notices with ASIC
  • comply with the ASIC derivative transaction rules
  • comply with client money reporting rules; and
  • lodge financial statements with ASIC by the due date.

https://www.asic.gov.au/about-asic/news-centre/find-a-media-release/2020-releases/20-019mr-otc-derivatives-issuer-axicorp-financial-services-pty-ltd-applies-for-review-of-asic-s-decision-to-suspend-its-afs-licence/

Good news is that there are so far no reports about troubles with funds from traders.  :)

Did you actually read the article? Axi appealed the decision and are operating as normal pending the outcome.

The list of violations is long and the paragraph about systematic compliance failures sounds not good. Especially as Axi always presented themselves as safe premium broker. If they lose the license, things could go south fast.
Title: Re: Swap Master - Market Neutral Arbitrage Trading
Post by: Forex21 on February 04, 2020, 10:15:48 PM
I don't know why anyone would even want to request a refund.

Have opened my first trades with Swap Master - now making over $100 every day in swap on ASIC regulated brokers doing absolutely nothing. Now looking at increasing my positions.

Recouped the cost of this EA in just a few days. Very happy customer - big fan of Swap Master and this strategy!

Do you think this will work with large accounts 50-100K/side?

Yes even better - I leveraged too highly and one leg of my trades got in trouble, so have topped up the accounts and are trading more conservatively with larger balances now.

To trade Swap Master with larger amounts is no problem but I would recommend to split it up in 50k chunks. That allows you to keep collecting (even when one portfolio is down because of re balancing) swap and acts as extra insurance policy in case there is a problem with a broker.

 ;)
Title: Re: Swap Master - Market Neutral Arbitrage Trading
Post by: HFT Group on February 04, 2020, 10:30:52 PM
f1maniac and a few other forum members repeated many times that according to their opinion only ASIC regulated brokers are good enough because of safety and so on.

And as I wrote several time before, that is simple not correct. A Bafin, CySec or offshore regulated broker can be (and most of the time) is as good as any ASIC regulated broker.

The best example is AXI Trader. They just went belly up and their AISC license was suspended.

Quote
AxiCorp's licence was suspended after ASIC found that AxiCorp failed to comply with financial services laws, namely the requirements to:

  • pay client money into an account with an Australian authorised deposit-taking institution
  • lodge product disclosure statement (PDS) in-use notices with ASIC
  • comply with the ASIC derivative transaction rules
  • comply with client money reporting rules; and
  • lodge financial statements with ASIC by the due date.

https://www.asic.gov.au/about-asic/news-centre/find-a-media-release/2020-releases/20-019mr-otc-derivatives-issuer-axicorp-financial-services-pty-ltd-applies-for-review-of-asic-s-decision-to-suspend-its-afs-licence/

Good news is that there are so far no reports about troubles with funds from traders.  :)

Did you actually read the article? Axi appealed the decision and are operating as normal pending the outcome.

The list of violations is long and the paragraph about systematic compliance failures sounds not good. Especially as Axi always presented themselves as safe premium broker. If they lose the license, things could go south fast.

Agreed but fearmongering by saying Axi have gone "belly up" doesn't help clients.
Title: Re: Swap Master - Market Neutral Arbitrage Trading
Post by: reddevil on February 05, 2020, 04:56:28 AM
Of all the violations that was claimed by ASIC, the first one - Not depositing money into an Australian financial institution will be the most serious.
When client deposit money it has to go immediately into a Trust account. It cannot go anywhere else. If Axitrader uses a non Bank - to get higher interest, then it is a conscious effort to do so. In other words, there is no IF and But with this violation.


The other violation could be due to under staff or system hiccups or not in place.

Based on my dealings with ASIC, they are very meticulous. They always have the evidence before they take action. The question how serious are the violation to justify suspension. They have now being properly funded by the government to litigate. Previously, they have issues going against the big banks in the courts since banks have deep pockets.
Title: Re: Swap Master - Market Neutral Arbitrage Trading
Post by: atomico on February 05, 2020, 06:10:04 PM
guy, i am selling my license of SM.

if someone interest contact me PM.

thanks to all.
Title: Re: Swap Master - Market Neutral Arbitrage Trading
Post by: Forex21 on February 07, 2020, 08:55:08 AM
guy, i am selling my license of SM.

if someone interest contact me PM.

thanks to all.

Hello atomico.
I understand that you find the setup process difficult. I would suggest that you pick on of the simple portfolios on our forum, run them for a while and then start using more advanced portfolios.

As agreed in the EULA, reselling a license is not possible.

Alexander
Title: Re: Swap Master - Market Neutral Arbitrage Trading
Post by: F1Maniac on February 07, 2020, 11:18:02 AM
f1maniac and a few other forum members repeated many times that according to their opinion only ASIC regulated brokers are good enough because of safety and so on.

And as I wrote several time before, that is simple not correct. A Bafin, CySec or offshore regulated broker can be (and most of the time) is as good as any ASIC regulated broker.

The best example is AXI Trader. They just went belly up and their AISC license was suspended.

Quote
AxiCorp's licence was suspended after ASIC found that AxiCorp failed to comply with financial services laws, namely the requirements to:

  • pay client money into an account with an Australian authorised deposit-taking institution
  • lodge product disclosure statement (PDS) in-use notices with ASIC
  • comply with the ASIC derivative transaction rules
  • comply with client money reporting rules; and
  • lodge financial statements with ASIC by the due date.

https://www.asic.gov.au/about-asic/news-centre/find-a-media-release/2020-releases/20-019mr-otc-derivatives-issuer-axicorp-financial-services-pty-ltd-applies-for-review-of-asic-s-decision-to-suspend-its-afs-licence/

Good news is that there are so far no reports about troubles with funds from traders.  :)
you've never really answered by prior questions so I've stop replying to this thread but since you've brought up my name again, i will chime in. ASIC has a lot more resources and traders have better recourse than chasing Cysec which is in a country prone to a lot of "paper" companies. also as others have said, what you've said is not completely true here, they have not gone belly up

Quote
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Belly up is an idiomatic expression in American English used to describe a business, organization, or institution that has ceased to exist or gone bankrupt

also if your system is sooo good why sell it for 300 bucks, just use it for yourself to make millions with non-asic, exclusively cysec brokers?
Title: Re: Swap Master - Market Neutral Arbitrage Trading
Post by: Josef on February 07, 2020, 11:51:49 AM
I don't know why anyone would even want to request a refund.

Have opened my first trades with Swap Master - now making over $100 every day in swap on ASIC regulated brokers doing absolutely nothing. Now looking at increasing my positions.

Recouped the cost of this EA in just a few days. Very happy customer - big fan of Swap Master and this strategy!

Do you think this will work with large accounts 50-100K/side?

Yes even better - I leveraged too highly and one leg of my trades got in trouble, so have topped up the accounts and are trading more conservatively with larger balances now.

Yep, been there before. Too much size can bite.  :o
I run now one portfolio and will add another one as soon the upcoming update is available.

 :) :)
Title: Re: Swap Master - Market Neutral Arbitrage Trading
Post by: _Jonathan_ on February 08, 2020, 07:36:00 AM
On January 07, Swap Master calculated that I will earn 540$ swap plus change and 30 days later the portfolio earned 535$ swap.

(https://i.ibb.co/njd345r/january-earnings.png)

Thank you Alexander!
Title: Re: Swap Master - Market Neutral Arbitrage Trading
Post by: Ruairi OPleurisy on February 08, 2020, 03:06:11 PM
Thats great!

Can I ask how much funds you have allocated in total to achieve that?
Title: Re: Swap Master - Market Neutral Arbitrage Trading
Post by: Nasdaq100 on February 08, 2020, 06:28:52 PM
Anyone from the UK is using this profitably?
Title: Re: Swap Master - Market Neutral Arbitrage Trading
Post by: _Jonathan_ on February 09, 2020, 09:41:58 AM
On January 07, Swap Master calculated that I will earn 540$ swap plus change and 30 days later the portfolio earned 535$ swap.

(https://i.ibb.co/njd345r/january-earnings.png)

Thank you Alexander!

Thats great!

Can I ask how much funds you have allocated in total to achieve that?

8thousand USD shared on 2 trading accounts.
Title: Re: Swap Master - Market Neutral Arbitrage Trading
Post by: iMusingKiMi on February 09, 2020, 09:07:09 PM
I have a great idea to share with you guys. If you are planning to allocate 8k to both account, don't put 4k each on both broker. I have learnt from that mistake. You can just put maybe 3 to 3.5k on each, so once an account losses up to 1k, you can deposit the balance to the losses account and start to withdraw from the profiting account. This method are much better than putting 50% on both because broker needs some time to withdraw funds.
Title: Re: Swap Master - Market Neutral Arbitrage Trading
Post by: iMusingKiMi on February 09, 2020, 09:14:22 PM
f1maniac and a few other forum members repeated many times that according to their opinion only ASIC regulated brokers are good enough because of safety and so on.

And as I wrote several time before, that is simple not correct. A Bafin, CySec or offshore regulated broker can be (and most of the time) is as good as any ASIC regulated broker.

The best example is AXI Trader. They just went belly up and their AISC license was suspended.

Quote
AxiCorp's licence was suspended after ASIC found that AxiCorp failed to comply with financial services laws, namely the requirements to:

  • pay client money into an account with an Australian authorised deposit-taking institution
  • lodge product disclosure statement (PDS) in-use notices with ASIC
  • comply with the ASIC derivative transaction rules
  • comply with client money reporting rules; and
  • lodge financial statements with ASIC by the due date.

https://www.asic.gov.au/about-asic/news-centre/find-a-media-release/2020-releases/20-019mr-otc-derivatives-issuer-axicorp-financial-services-pty-ltd-applies-for-review-of-asic-s-decision-to-suspend-its-afs-licence/

Good news is that there are so far no reports about troubles with funds from traders.  :)
you've never really answered by prior questions so I've stop replying to this thread but since you've brought up my name again, i will chime in. ASIC has a lot more resources and traders have better recourse than chasing Cysec which is in a country prone to a lot of "paper" companies. also as others have said, what you've said is not completely true here, they have not gone belly up

Quote
Search Results
Featured snippet from the web
Belly up is an idiomatic expression in American English used to describe a business, organization, or institution that has ceased to exist or gone bankrupt

also if your system is sooo good why sell it for 300 bucks, just use it for yourself to make millions with non-asic, exclusively cysec brokers?

If you don't like the system, just get out and goes on with your life. Why are you coming in here, couldn't accept those people who is profiting out there. Just goes on with your **** life. Or you can't accept the fact someone system better than yours? Even myself bought and try the system, it works well. I logged in to the members only forum and I don't see someone complaining the system doesn't work. If you can't even afford to pay the 100% guarantee refund if couldn't meet your satisfaction of USD 300, then I advise you just go away from trading. A successful person doesn't fear about trying, only a ****** for trying. Owner of the system won't get rich to scam your *********. Furthermore, it is also proven here someone did get their refund if couldn't meet their satisfaction. I hate to see you ********, comment without contribution.


WARNING! WATCH YOUR LANGUAGE!



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Title: Re: Swap Master - Market Neutral Arbitrage Trading
Post by: Nasdaq100 on February 10, 2020, 07:07:20 AM
guy, anyone found a good UK broker combination for this?
Title: Re: Swap Master - Market Neutral Arbitrage Trading
Post by: Forex21 on February 10, 2020, 09:55:47 AM
guy, anyone found a good UK broker combination for this?

This question was answered specially for you. I guess you are eager to tell us the story from your friend one more time who lost 500K because FxPro simple took it from him.  ;)
Title: Re: Swap Master - Market Neutral Arbitrage Trading
Post by: Foxy_Trader on February 10, 2020, 10:06:51 AM
guy, anyone found a good UK broker combination for this?

Yes. I even shared it with you weeks ago.

Anyways, I don't want to post here anymore to be honest as its becoming a complete waste of time.

Please be so kind and keep your word.

 
Title: Re: Swap Master - Market Neutral Arbitrage Trading
Post by: FLechdrop on February 10, 2020, 11:07:59 AM
I have a great idea to share with you guys. If you are planning to allocate 8k to both account, don't put 4k each on both broker. I have learnt from that mistake. You can just put maybe 3 to 3.5k on each, so once an account losses up to 1k, you can deposit the balance to the losses account and start to withdraw from the profiting account. This method are much better than putting 50% on both because broker needs some time to withdraw funds.

@Forex21 Do you recommend this?
Title: Re: Swap Master - Market Neutral Arbitrage Trading
Post by: iMusingKiMi on February 10, 2020, 12:04:32 PM
I have a great idea to share with you guys. If you are planning to allocate 8k to both account, don't put 4k each on both broker. I have learnt from that mistake. You can just put maybe 3 to 3.5k on each, so once an account losses up to 1k, you can deposit the balance to the losses account and start to withdraw from the profiting account. This method are much better than putting 50% on both because broker needs some time to withdraw funds.

@Forex21 Do you recommend this?

Just a recommendation when I doing my experimentation and looking for some improvement. By using this way, you can maximizing your swap returns which shows on my current portfolio, a simple portfolio. Most of the time even you put a full 50% on both account, you will not fully utilized it on margin. Hence, you cannot maximize your returns especially with couple days delay during balancing on loss account if you are waiting from the profiting account.

Another idea I can share is always add position on Wednesday. Because swap will pays 3 times if you keep your position till Thursday. This is because FX position settlement needs at least two days. Hence, if any position are kept overnight till Thursday which can't reach settlement by Friday night, we can receives two more days extra swaps which include Saturday and Sunday.

Just some idea how you can maximize your profit.
Title: Re: Swap Master - Market Neutral Arbitrage Trading
Post by: iMusingKiMi on February 10, 2020, 01:57:19 PM
It is so difficult to imagine why people are so lazy to use their brain or maybe we should say square minded. This broker matter has been discussed for months which to me it is simple to solve by using a words "diversified".

Just like those bank issuing credit card to their users, do they expect all of them pay their credit card? No, they don't and that's why bank have allocated 3% expected bad debts.

It is the same thing. Imagine you have 100k to allocate, just put it to 10 or even 20 brokers. If the system and portfolios pay an average of 5%, even if you are unlucky enough just deposit and 1 of the broker close shop immediately, it is not difficult to earn back that losses. I don't know why keep arguing the same question repeatedly but actually it can be solved with a very simple solution.
Title: Re: Swap Master - Market Neutral Arbitrage Trading
Post by: Nasdaq100 on February 10, 2020, 03:55:03 PM
It is so difficult to imagine why people are so lazy to use their brain or maybe we should say square minded. This broker matter has been discussed for months which to me it is simple to solve by using a words "diversified".

Just like those bank issuing credit card to their users, do they expect all of them pay their credit card? No, they don't and that's why bank have allocated 3% expected bad debts.

It is the same thing. Imagine you have 100k to allocate, just put it to 10 or even 20 brokers. If the system and portfolios pay an average of 5%, even if you are unlucky enough just deposit and 1 of the broker close shop immediately, it is not difficult to earn back that losses. I don't know why keep arguing the same question repeatedly but actually it can be solved with a very simple solution.

So please enlighten us all, how on earth would you cover the transaction fees + withdrawal and deposit fees if you use 20 brokers?

The broker matter was never really discussed. And this whole secrecy behind brokers combination does not make any sense at all. As to the list of brokers that have been shared here, every single properly regulated and reputable broker on that list showed small swaps, much smaller than the numbers that keep on being reported here.
Title: Re: Swap Master - Market Neutral Arbitrage Trading
Post by: iMusingKiMi on February 10, 2020, 05:34:01 PM
It is so difficult to imagine why people are so lazy to use their brain or maybe we should say square minded. This broker matter has been discussed for months which to me it is simple to solve by using a words "diversified".

Just like those bank issuing credit card to their users, do they expect all of them pay their credit card? No, they don't and that's why bank have allocated 3% expected bad debts.

It is the same thing. Imagine you have 100k to allocate, just put it to 10 or even 20 brokers. If the system and portfolios pay an average of 5%, even if you are unlucky enough just deposit and 1 of the broker close shop immediately, it is not difficult to earn back that losses. I don't know why keep arguing the same question repeatedly but actually it can be solved with a very simple solution.

So please enlighten us all, how on earth would you cover the transaction fees + withdrawal and deposit fees if you use 20 brokers?

The broker matter was never really discussed. And this whole secrecy behind brokers combination does not make any sense at all. As to the list of brokers that have been shared here, every single properly regulated and reputable broker on that list showed small swaps, much smaller than the numbers that keep on being reported here.

Then please explain to me now what have I showed just now? I am doing the same thing and why I can and you couldn't? How about you just provide me your bank account, I just transfer some money to you? If you want to earn money and doesn't want to put some efforts, then don't trade. A real trading environment need much more effort than this. I just started like 2 weeks ago, I balance my account every week just to fully utilized the fund I put in and I don't find any problem at all with broker withdrawal. Both of the broker don't charge withdrawal fees at all. Although I am paying 1.8% for trading cost, it's only the beginning when you open your position and my return was 9%+. It's amazing why people can work it out and you can't. It's so wasting time to discuss with someone who don't even want to put in any effort, just want some free money.
Title: Re: Swap Master - Market Neutral Arbitrage Trading
Post by: Forex21 on February 10, 2020, 06:57:39 PM
It is so difficult to imagine why people are so lazy to use their brain or maybe we should say square minded. This broker matter has been discussed for months which to me it is simple to solve by using a words "diversified".

Just like those bank issuing credit card to their users, do they expect all of them pay their credit card? No, they don't and that's why bank have allocated 3% expected bad debts.

It is the same thing. Imagine you have 100k to allocate, just put it to 10 or even 20 brokers. If the system and portfolios pay an average of 5%, even if you are unlucky enough just deposit and 1 of the broker close shop immediately, it is not difficult to earn back that losses. I don't know why keep arguing the same question repeatedly but actually it can be solved with a very simple solution.

So please enlighten us all, how on earth would you cover the transaction fees + withdrawal and deposit fees if you use 20 brokers?

The broker matter was never really discussed. And this whole secrecy behind brokers combination does not make any sense at all. As to the list of brokers that have been shared here, every single properly regulated and reputable broker on that list showed small swaps, much smaller than the numbers that keep on being reported here.

@Foxy_Trader, Josef, iMusingKiMi and others

Eddie aka Nasdaq100 asked several weeks ago about broker combinations and received a straight forward answer inclusive broker details. Instead or participating in a informative discussion he entertained readers with a captain Ahab story about his friend who lost 500K because FxPro simple took it.

He followed up with a story about FxPro russia (does not exists) and at some point he called forum members retards, insulted Forex21 clients and at some point he simple called everybody stupid and promised to stop posting in this topic. In other words, he simple looks for somebody to argue with and makes up whatever comes to his mind.

To keep this topic informative I would suggest to ignore Eddie. He is only here to argue with everybody who is available. Or if you want to argue with him, please do so in the airing room section from the forum.
Title: Re: Swap Master - Market Neutral Arbitrage Trading
Post by: Forex21 on February 10, 2020, 07:11:01 PM
I have a great idea to share with you guys. If you are planning to allocate 8k to both account, don't put 4k each on both broker. I have learnt from that mistake. You can just put maybe 3 to 3.5k on each, so once an account losses up to 1k, you can deposit the balance to the losses account and start to withdraw from the profiting account. This method are much better than putting 50% on both because broker needs some time to withdraw funds.

@Forex21 Do you recommend this?

This is not how I do it but I certainly like it.
By doing so you can trade without interruption and you will have lower trade execution costs. But you will need to spend a bit more time re balancing your portfolios and your re balancing costs might be higher at the end of the month/quarter.
Title: Re: Swap Master - Market Neutral Arbitrage Trading
Post by: iMusingKiMi on February 10, 2020, 07:20:23 PM
I have a great idea to share with you guys. If you are planning to allocate 8k to both account, don't put 4k each on both broker. I have learnt from that mistake. You can just put maybe 3 to 3.5k on each, so once an account losses up to 1k, you can deposit the balance to the losses account and start to withdraw from the profiting account. This method are much better than putting 50% on both because broker needs some time to withdraw funds.

@Forex21 Do you recommend this?

This is not how I do it but I certainly like it.
By doing so you can trade without interruption and you will have lower trade execution costs. But you will need to spend a bit more time re balancing your portfolios and your re balancing costs might be higher at the end of the month/quarter.

Spots on. I re-balancing my portfolio every week now but there's no cost so far because broker don't charge withdrawal. The 1st mistake I have made earlier is I put in 50% on both account, but most broker takes 3-5 days for withdrawal. So it is wasting time and risk to close your trade which makes higher trading cost. Then I figure out this way is much better. Whenever you deposit to the loss account, that's the time you withdraw from the profit account. Then just repeat doing the same thing whenever the losses account shows imbalance.
Title: Re: Swap Master - Market Neutral Arbitrage Trading
Post by: Forex21 on February 10, 2020, 07:23:42 PM
I have a great idea to share with you guys. If you are planning to allocate 8k to both account, don't put 4k each on both broker. I have learnt from that mistake. You can just put maybe 3 to 3.5k on each, so once an account losses up to 1k, you can deposit the balance to the losses account and start to withdraw from the profiting account. This method are much better than putting 50% on both because broker needs some time to withdraw funds.

@Forex21 Do you recommend this?

Just a recommendation when I doing my experimentation and looking for some improvement. By using this way, you can maximizing your swap returns which shows on my current portfolio, a simple portfolio. Most of the time even you put a full 50% on both account, you will not fully utilized it on margin. Hence, you cannot maximize your returns especially with couple days delay during balancing on loss account if you are waiting from the profiting account.

Another idea I can share is always add position on Wednesday. Because swap will pays 3 times if you keep your position till Thursday. This is because FX position settlement needs at least two days. Hence, if any position are kept overnight till Thursday which can't reach settlement by Friday night, we can receives two more days extra swaps which include Saturday and Sunday.

Just some idea how you can maximize your profit.

And this is the reason why iMusingKiMi is doing well. He sits down, comes up with ideas and keeps doing what works for him.

It is possible to trade swaps in a more simple way but if a user wants to use the full potential of the software. This is how it is done. You sit down, come up with ideas, test them and keep doing what works.

It is a pleasure to read about your ideas and hope you will also share them in the Swap Master user forum.

Keep it up!  :) :)
Title: Re: Swap Master - Market Neutral Arbitrage Trading
Post by: _Jonathan_ on February 11, 2020, 08:18:02 AM


Anyways, I don't want to post here anymore to be honest as its becoming a complete waste of time.

Please be so kind and keep your word.

Yes. Keep your word nasdaq100.
Title: Re: Swap Master - Market Neutral Arbitrage Trading
Post by: _Jonathan_ on February 11, 2020, 08:20:22 AM
I have a great idea to share with you guys. If you are planning to allocate 8k to both account, don't put 4k each on both broker. I have learnt from that mistake. You can just put maybe 3 to 3.5k on each, so once an account losses up to 1k, you can deposit the balance to the losses account and start to withdraw from the profiting account. This method are much better than putting 50% on both because broker needs some time to withdraw funds.

@Forex21 Do you recommend this?

This is not how I do it but I certainly like it.
By doing so you can trade without interruption and you will have lower trade execution costs. But you will need to spend a bit more time re balancing your portfolios and your re balancing costs might be higher at the end of the month/quarter.

Spots on. I re-balancing my portfolio every week now but there's no cost so far because broker don't charge withdrawal. The 1st mistake I have made earlier is I put in 50% on both account, but most broker takes 3-5 days for withdrawal. So it is wasting time and risk to close your trade which makes higher trading cost. Then I figure out this way is much better. Whenever you deposit to the loss account, that's the time you withdraw from the profit account. Then just repeat doing the same thing whenever the losses account shows imbalance.

Sounds like a good idea. Thx for posting.
Title: Re: Swap Master - Market Neutral Arbitrage Trading
Post by: Forex21 on February 14, 2020, 10:55:10 AM
It is not very difficult to find working combinations. We have 12 instruments combinations posted with several options for brokers.

4 simple portfolios - That's portfolios with one trading instrument and two brokers.
3 standard portfolios - That's portfolios with two trading instruments and two or three brokers.
5 advanced portfolios - That's portfolios with three or more instruments and two or more brokers.
Title: Re: Swap Master - Market Neutral Arbitrage Trading
Post by: pipsbuster on February 14, 2020, 02:34:22 PM
It is not very difficult to find working combinations. We have 12 instruments combinations posted with several options for brokers.

4 simple portfolios - That's portfolios with one trading instrument and two brokers.
3 standard portfolios - That's portfolios with two trading instruments and two or three brokers.
5 advanced portfolios - That's portfolios with three or more instruments and two or more brokers.

What are the broker names in your combinations?
Title: Re: Swap Master - Market Neutral Arbitrage Trading
Post by: Nasdaq100 on February 14, 2020, 03:25:29 PM
It is not very difficult to find working combinations. We have 12 instruments combinations posted with several options for brokers.

4 simple portfolios - That's portfolios with one trading instrument and two brokers.
3 standard portfolios - That's portfolios with two trading instruments and two or three brokers.
5 advanced portfolios - That's portfolios with three or more instruments and two or more brokers.

What are the broker names in your combinations?

How dare you ask such questions?

Here is what neither this vendor nor his disciples would tell you, if you find a suitable swap rates on a specific
broker, this does not mean that these rates will remain the same in the future. As a matter of fact, the swap rate change
 could be so volatile that it could go from positive to negative over night!

I am just so disappointed with all the members of donnaforex (especially the long term ones) who joined  this crappy system and never stepped forward to clarify this pivotal piece of information. Is this how you pay back the members of donna forum who shared so much information with you through out the years? SHAME ON YOU!

Title: Re: Swap Master - Market Neutral Arbitrage Trading
Post by: Ruairi OPleurisy on February 14, 2020, 03:28:47 PM
What are the broker names in your combinations?
I'd be ineterested in that too.  I have quite a bit of capital invested and would be keen to know if any of the brokers I am using will be suitable without further investment / movement of funds.

I do think that I will give this one a go, but would like perhaps to use 'clean' accounts designated for swap master alone.
Title: Re: Swap Master - Market Neutral Arbitrage Trading
Post by: Forex21 on February 14, 2020, 07:22:48 PM
It is not very difficult to find working combinations. We have 12 instruments combinations posted with several options for brokers.

4 simple portfolios - That's portfolios with one trading instrument and two brokers.
3 standard portfolios - That's portfolios with two trading instruments and two or three brokers.
5 advanced portfolios - That's portfolios with three or more instruments and two or more brokers.

What are the broker names in your combinations?

I love to share my personal research with Swap Master traders and I do so on a constant base. However, I am sure you understand that my interest to share my research on public forums is limited.

But if you read the thread you will find some instrument and broker combinations.

For better understanding, here is a simple portfolio what worked well for about seven month but stopped to be profitable a month ago. And yes, portfolios stop sometimes to work. When it happens, the trades are closed and a new portfolio is started.

(https://i.ibb.co/GPPts86/usdczk.png)

USDCZK long on Broker A and short on Broker B
Best combination was AXI Trader long and IC Markets short.
Depending on the lot size, this portfolio yielded 3-9% monthly.





Title: Re: Swap Master - Market Neutral Arbitrage Trading
Post by: Forex21 on February 14, 2020, 07:31:25 PM
What are the broker names in your combinations?
I'd be ineterested in that too.  I have quite a bit of capital invested and would be keen to know if any of the brokers I am using will be suitable without further investment / movement of funds.

I do think that I will give this one a go, but would like perhaps to use 'clean' accounts designated for swap master alone.

Usually some accounts can be used. Perhaps it will be the best if you write me a short E-Mail and let me know what you look for, which accounts you have and how active you want to trade swaps. I will then do my best to provide you with information what can help you to make a qualified decision.

Contact details can be found here: https://forex21.com/contact-us/

Alexander
Title: Re: Swap Master - Market Neutral Arbitrage Trading
Post by: plamar on February 15, 2020, 09:37:12 AM
Poor nasday100 eddie. Fail fund manager, fail biz owner, fail ea developer, fail trader, fail internet troll.



What is average life expectation from portfolios Alexander?
Title: Re: Swap Master - Market Neutral Arbitrage Trading
Post by: Ruairi OPleurisy on February 15, 2020, 10:55:14 AM
What are the broker names in your combinations?
I'd be ineterested in that too.  I have quite a bit of capital invested and would be keen to know if any of the brokers I am using will be suitable without further investment / movement of funds.

I do think that I will give this one a go, but would like perhaps to use 'clean' accounts designated for swap master alone.

Usually some accounts can be used. Perhaps it will be the best if you write me a short E-Mail and let me know what you look for, which accounts you have and how active you want to trade swaps. I will then do my best to provide you with information what can help you to make a qualified decision.

Contact details can be found here: https://forex21.com/contact-us/

Alexander
Thank you Alexander - absolute gent.