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Title: PZ MA Crossover
Post by: Humble Trader's Fx on January 17, 2019, 09:35:00 PM
As per your request, here is the new, "PZ MA Crossover" topic. :)

To this, I have added a demo account on my signature widgets, demoing both PZ MA Crossover as well as the new BS; featuring all four set files, old and new, as supplied by the vendor. When this session is over and the BS Mt4 trades are closed, I will update the magic numbers for your analysis as we move forward.


Regards,
HumbleTrader
Title: Re: PZ MA Crossover
Post by: donbon2 on January 17, 2019, 09:54:51 PM
this thread is about this EA

https://www.pointzero-trading.com/Products/view/PZMACrossoverEA

currently it is available for free - but as usual for him after it gets downloaded a few times he will make it paid.

the set file I made for it is below with TDS for last year

it is for eur 30 minute chart and the stats look great for the last 12 months.

in my signature I added  2 eur ma sets 1 euraud 1 cad  and I aud ... also a stochs one and an ichimoku one

the reason for that is the eur set only does 5 trades a month on average - so I thought lets add a bunch and see how they go.

also this set file is made for current market conditions - when those change I will need to update it again.

any questions please post away - and I would suggest putting it on a demo so you can keep an eye on it - as it has a 90% win rate with a 3.36 PF so yeah it is dialed in at the moment... it does have breakeven and trailing which is why those stats look like that.
Title: Re: PZ MA Crossover
Post by: nwboater on January 17, 2019, 10:17:52 PM
Hi HumbleTrader & donbon2,

Thanks a lot for creating this new thread!

HumbleTrader - If it isn't too much hassle there are some MA Crossover EA posts in the PZ Averaging EA thread that would be helpful to have in this thread. Hopefully it's not too difficult to move them. Or maybe I'm jumping the gun and that is already underway.

Also I see your demo for BS and MA Crossover are at 1:100 leverage. If you are running at default risks that might create a margin issue. Axi should be able to change that to 1:400

Thanks again for this new thread!

Cheers,
Rod
Title: Re: PZ MA Crossover
Post by: Humble Trader's Fx on January 17, 2019, 10:19:39 PM
this thread is about this EA

https://www.pointzero-trading.com/Products/view/PZMACrossoverEA

currently it is available for free - but as usual for him after it gets downloaded a few times he will make it paid.

the set file I made for it is below with TDS for last year

it is for eur 30 minute chart and the stats look great for the last 12 months.

in my signature I added  2 eur ma sets 1 euraud 1 cad  and I aud ... also a stochs one and an ichimoku one

the reason for that is the eur set only does 5 trades a month on average - so I thought lets add a bunch and see how they go.

also this set file is made for current market conditions - when those change I will need to update it again.

any questions please post away - and I would suggest putting it on a demo so you can keep an eye on it - as it has a 90% win rate with a 3.36 PF so yeah it is dialed in at the moment... it does have breakeven and trailing which is why those stats look like that.

Yes, this thread is only about PZ MA Crossover. The mention that I have included BS demo in my widget account is only to save on server space; all discussions and analysis about BS will be done on the BS thread.


Regards,
HumbleTrader
Title: Re: PZ MA Crossover
Post by: Humble Trader's Fx on January 17, 2019, 10:21:44 PM
Hi HumbleTrader & donbon2,

Thanks a lot for creating this new thread!

HumbleTrader - If it isn't too much hassle there are some MA Crossover EA posts in the PZ Averaging EA thread that would be helpful to have in this thread. Hopefully it's not too difficult to move them. Or maybe I'm jumping the gun and that is already underway.

Also I see your demo for BS and MA Crossover are at 1:100 leverage. If you are running at default risks that might create a margin issue. Axi should be able to change that to 1:400

Thanks again for this new thread!

Cheers,
Rod

Your word is my command, nwboater; I will try my best.  :)

Regards,
HumbleTrader
Title: Re: PZ MA Crossover
Post by: nwboater on January 17, 2019, 10:30:33 PM
Hi HumbleTrader & donbon2,

Thanks a lot for creating this new thread!

HumbleTrader - If it isn't too much hassle there are some MA Crossover EA posts in the PZ Averaging EA thread that would be helpful to have in this thread. Hopefully it's not too difficult to move them. Or maybe I'm jumping the gun and that is already underway.

Also I see your demo for BS and MA Crossover are at 1:100 leverage. If you are running at default risks that might create a margin issue. Axi should be able to change that to 1:400

Thanks again for this new thread!

Cheers,
Rod

Your word is my command, nwboater; I will try my best.  :)

Regards,
HumbleTrader

Thanks very much. If there is some way I can help I'm more than happy to. :)

Cheers,
Rod
Title: Re: PZ MA Crossover
Post by: Humble Trader's Fx on January 17, 2019, 11:08:53 PM
Hi HumbleTrader & donbon2,

Thanks a lot for creating this new thread!

HumbleTrader - If it isn't too much hassle there are some MA Crossover EA posts in the PZ Averaging EA thread that would be helpful to have in this thread. Hopefully it's not too difficult to move them. Or maybe I'm jumping the gun and that is already underway.

Also I see your demo for BS and MA Crossover are at 1:100 leverage. If you are running at default risks that might create a margin issue. Axi should be able to change that to 1:400

Thanks again for this new thread!

Cheers,
Rod

Your word is my command, nwboater; I will try my best.  :)

Regards,
HumbleTrader

Thanks very much. If there is some way I can help I'm more than happy to. :)

Cheers,
Rod

Done! ;D

Because one cannot change the leverage on an Axi demo trading account, I had to redo everything from scratch ie:  Open new account, register account with BS, add 4 new BS charts with settings, register new myfxbook account, register investor's psw.. and all the nice things one does for the good folks here but in no way matching the effort from some of the members's in this forum who go out of their way to work and share with others; that makes me proud to be here.  :)

As soon as a trade of BS closes, I will be able to make the myfxbook public on my widget signature. We might have missed a trade or two but tomorrow should be a complete day of trades.

Regards,
HumbleTrader
Title: Re: PZ MA Crossover
Post by: Humble Trader's Fx on January 17, 2019, 11:29:48 PM
Hi HumbleTrader & donbon2,

Thanks a lot for creating this new thread!

HumbleTrader - If it isn't too much hassle there are some MA Crossover EA posts in the PZ Averaging EA thread that would be helpful to have in this thread. Hopefully it's not too difficult to move them. Or maybe I'm jumping the gun and that is already underway.

Also I see your demo for BS and MA Crossover are at 1:100 leverage. If you are running at default risks that might create a margin issue. Axi should be able to change that to 1:400

Thanks again for this new thread!

Cheers,
Rod

Your word is my command, nwboater; I will try my best.  :)

Regards,
HumbleTrader

Thanks very much. If there is some way I can help I'm more than happy to. :)

Cheers,
Rod

Done! ;D

Because one cannot change the leverage on an Axi demo trading account, I had to redo everything from scratch ie:  Open new account, register account with BS, add 4 new BS charts with settings, register new myfxbook account, register investor's psw.. and all the nice things one does for the good folks here but in no way matching the effort from some of the members's in this forum who go out of their way to work and share with others; that makes me proud to be here.  :)

As soon as a trade of BS closes, I will be able to make the myfxbook public on my widget signature. We might have missed a trade or two but tomorrow should be a complete day of trades.

Regards,
HumbleTrader

Done! The new demo account is below my sig widget. There is a first .1 lot GBP trade which was placed manually by me to test the demo, tomorrow it will all be up to the EA's.  ;)

Regards,
HumbleTrader
Title: Re: PZ MA Crossover
Post by: donbon2 on January 18, 2019, 05:46:36 AM
added usdyen 30m ma crossover to the demo account.
Title: Re: PZ MA Crossover
Post by: diyforexskills on January 19, 2019, 03:59:28 AM
In the previous thread for this MA crossover, Flechdrop wrote" Hello donbon2, thanks for sharing this. I have tested the PZ MA Crossover set file for 30M EURUSD. It does very well over the last year, as in your test, but over the last ten years it does not so well (no catastrophe, it goes up and down a bit and does not make much in the end).  I guess you would have to adapt the settings to changing circumstances regularly. Now if THAT could be coded in (using ATR or some such), it would be great."

Since this EA is very limited and can only be modified with changes to the MAs (apart from tp and sl of course), here is an option. Let's assume that there were four downtrend/DD periods in the 10 yr backtest. So re-optimise the EA over each of those four periods. So we now have five EAs. Then run those 5 EAs continuously on a demo account, and use say PF from myfxbook stats to decide when and when not to trade each of those 5 strategies on live. So as market conditions fluctuate, requiring different MA crossover settings, we should now have a 1 in 5 chance of having the best settings for "current" market conditions.

(It is also obvious from looking at the charts and analysing for good and bad entries, that an RSI filter would weed out quite a few bad entries - the ones where entries are triggered way too late in the swing. And if we use ATR-based tp and sl we could also be more responsive to changing market conditions. We can do this with the FX Autotrader Elite, and I will start posting about those ideas and set files in the Autotrader thread so as not to "contaminate" this thread.)
Title: Re: PZ MA Crossover
Post by: donbon2 on January 19, 2019, 11:02:07 PM
well basically every EA set files should be modified by a change in market condition which for the most part they are not.

really this is optimized for current ATR levels - if ATR drops then the MA settings need to be narrower as do the SL and TP - if ATR expands then the MA needs to be slower and the TP and SL need to be adjusted.

I have said it 1000% times now - that 10 year backtests are meaningless - it is the current market condition that is more important.

you take volatility factor - optimized for every condition over years - we get a flash crash and it blows up -- the difference between MA crossover and scalper is -- ma crossover you are not betting on reversion so any move like that is in your benefit

what would be more helpful from EA vendors is if they would tell us -- ok this EA does best under these conditions and worst under these conditions -- so you can just take it off when you see the bad conditions and use one that better suits it.

this is why I think MA Crossover actually has more potential than other trading ways -- your risk is always controlled by a modest SL - your upside is substantial and should market reverse it will trade the other side.

on my demo account Ichimoku has been struggling with the tight range - while the MA crossver series has had a few trades get stopped for a few points and not alot of trading as you would expect with almost no EURUSD range for a few days.

all I can say is I am trying my best with the tools available to deliver the best set files possible -- I am not a programmer and while I know what needs to be done - I can't just whip up a custom program myself LOL

ok I am out it is the weekend and jobs to do.
Title: Re: PZ MA Crossover
Post by: Humble Trader's Fx on January 20, 2019, 01:36:03 AM
well basically every EA set files should be modified by a change in market condition which for the most part they are not.

really this is optimized for current ATR levels - if ATR drops then the MA settings need to be narrower as do the SL and TP - if ATR expands then the MA needs to be slower and the TP and SL need to be adjusted.

I have said it 1000% times now - that 10 year backtests are meaningless - it is the current market condition that is more important.

you take volatility factor - optimized for every condition over years - we get a flash crash and it blows up -- the difference between MA crossover and scalper is -- ma crossover you are not betting on reversion so any move like that is in your benefit

what would be more helpful from EA vendors is if they would tell us -- ok this EA does best under these conditions and worst under these conditions -- so you can just take it off when you see the bad conditions and use one that better suits it.

this is why I think MA Crossover actually has more potential than other trading ways -- your risk is always controlled by a modest SL - your upside is substantial and should market reverse it will trade the other side.

on my demo account Ichimoku has been struggling with the tight range - while the MA crossver series has had a few trades get stopped for a few points and not alot of trading as you would expect with almost no EURUSD range for a few days.

all I can say is I am trying my best with the tools available to deliver the best set files possible -- I am not a programmer and while I know what needs to be done - I can't just whip up a custom program myself LOL

ok I am out it is the weekend and jobs to do.

Donebon2, may I wonder out loud and ask a perhaps naive question? Since EA's, can be updated through the Mt4 platform, (Allow external imports, DLL etc.), why aren't developers providing us with dynamic updates which look back 1-2 months of market behavior and adjust the EA accordingly?

Regards,
HumbleTrader

Title: Re: PZ MA Crossover
Post by: diyforexskills on January 20, 2019, 03:16:23 AM
You have raised a really interesting idea donbon2, by suggesting that volatility (ATR) is correlated to periodicity (MA); at least that is how I have interpreted your comment.
I have not thought that this is the case. ATR to me has influence on tp and sl settings, ie the extent of price movements; but I have always felt that periodicity of MAs was influenced by other factors, not by volatility.
But when I get some time I will now scroll through some lengthy periods of charts over the last few years to see if there is indeed a correlation between ATR and good entries for MA period crossovers.
If there is, it will be easy for me to add a new feature to the Autotrader so that the MA crossover settings are determined by multiples of ATR values.
Then we would be able to satisfy HumbleTraders' desire to have a self-adjusting MA crossover EA.
Title: Re: PZ MA Crossover
Post by: donbon2 on January 20, 2019, 06:32:35 AM
I know that it will influence the MA crossover series - because many have 220 TP well if daily ATR drops to 40 points - then the chances of hitting a 220 Tp are almost zero -- which is why they need to be changed.

on the other side if the market starts trading ATR 140 a day then well 220 is too tight.

ATR may not be as helpful with scalping EAs because they are more vulnerable to news which wipes them out than a change in daily range -- when your TP value is like 2.4 and your stop is 50 60 70 80 90 100 and you get a gap of 150 well it takes forever to get that back ///  so there is more to it than that .. but ATR is a very relevant measure of what needs to be done.

HT = to me the reason is EA developers are lacking in market knowledge they think like retail traders and not more as analysts in terms of how far things can move and how quickly .. you cannot replace experience unfortunately ... but I self modifying EA is the future - how long it takes to get there I cannot tell you
Title: Re: PZ MA Crossover
Post by: donbon2 on January 20, 2019, 06:54:14 AM
also you have to consider this

data analysis may say

ATR 0-60 10% of the time 60-70 22% of the time 70-85 34% of the time etc

so you build a set for each and the EA changes each day according to the value -- what this does is allow you to hit the best TP value every time -- which will shoot up the profit

but additionally the analysis would go a step further

if 3 day ATR cross 8 day ATR and 21 day ATR if the position is not in the money by more than 50 points then close it -- because it warns a SL is very close to end up being triggered

again you could study these scenarios and focus on where the best entry and exit times are by looking at the ATR change itself.... we have the data available but we don't have someone who can analyze it at the depth I need -- nor do we have a programmer to work through including these things.

you say to yourself DB2 why do I need this ?

just imagine if you enter at the best position - you exit at the best position -- your TP is placed perfectly vs what the market is doing and your SL is triggered in case market direction changes unexpectedly

don't you think that your profits would go through the roof ?

anyway this is alot of work to calculate everything and like I said I am doing the best I can with what I have available to me :)
Title: Re: PZ MA Crossover
Post by: diyforexskills on January 21, 2019, 10:15:28 AM
I think we are talking about different things. What I am intending to analyse, based on my interpretation of your original comments, is to see whether when Daily ATR is say 100 to 120, the MA cross should be EMA 45/165.
But when say ATR is 40 to 60, the EA should use an MA cross of say EMA 20/80.

And of course use an ATR-based TP and SL in both cases so that we would have lower TP and SL when ATR is 40 to 60 compared to when ATR is 100 to 120.

Anyway.

Hi Flechdrop. Would you mind sharing your 10 yr BT of this eurusd m30 set file. We know the MA cross settings and tp and sl are good for 2018; what I would like to know is during what years/periods these settings gave a bad return. I could then examine the charts for those periods to see which indicators like ATR or RSI could be used to to either filter trades and/or modify the MA period crossover settings.

Title: Re: PZ MA Crossover
Post by: Humble Trader's Fx on January 21, 2019, 07:07:49 PM
I should note that I received a notice from PZ, that the Hedge EA had been updated; as such, after the download, I added the updated EA using Donbon2's set file to the myfxbook demo account and will likewise update the magic number (#5, HedgeEA) to it so that it can be analyzed as we move forward.


Regards,

HumbleTrader
Title: Re: PZ MA Crossover
Post by: donbon2 on January 21, 2019, 08:37:49 PM
that is right but I am taking it a step further by saying if I knew ATR crosses as well then I could manage any open trades better - which would give you optimal open TP SL and close position

from the attachment you can see the MA crossover has traded on some of the other pairs but hit trailing SL for some profit - while ichimoku struggles with the tight ranges - it really needs 70 80 90 points a day to generate a profit.
Title: Re: PZ MA Crossover
Post by: donbon2 on January 23, 2019, 12:14:25 PM
fortfs offering 75 usd welcome bonus

I'm sure the terms are crap and you will end up with very little - but if you want to run the eur set on a real account - then maybe take a look at it.
Title: Re: PZ MA Crossover
Post by: donbon2 on January 23, 2019, 10:31:59 PM
no ma crossover trades from original - but one last night from the second one I made

as you can see the market is moving far enough to trigger the trailing - breakeven function - but no real big trades as yet obviously

ichimoku struggling with the tight ranges with 3 SL and 2 open trades at moment.
Title: Re: PZ MA Crossover
Post by: donbon2 on January 24, 2019, 07:41:12 PM
I removed ichimoku as it already has 5 SL triggered - I blame that a bit on the eurusd market lately that is has been quieter but even the last 24 hours has been poor trading so yeah I am not happy with that one

that leaves the ma crossovers and stoch ea

in the MA crossover space - the issue so far is the markets triggered the trailing SL and it has not been a smooth market so no big profits and 1 eur trade hit full SL overnight - so I think the MA crossovers are at -40   stochs +12 and ichi - 155

again it just shows how the markets are finely tuned to these strategies there is no easy money
Title: Re: PZ MA Crossover
Post by: Humble Trader's Fx on January 24, 2019, 08:30:07 PM
I removed ichimoku as it already has 5 SL triggered - I blame that a bit on the eurusd market lately that is has been quieter but even the last 24 hours has been poor trading so yeah I am not happy with that one

that leaves the ma crossovers and stoch ea

in the MA crossover space - the issue so far is the markets triggered the trailing SL and it has not been a smooth market so no big profits and 1 eur trade hit full SL overnight - so I think the MA crossovers are at -40   stochs +12 and ichi - 155

again it just shows how the markets are finely tuned to these strategies there is no easy money

Donbon2, have a look at my sig widget (BS(oldE/G-1,3-newE/G-2,4 ) MACr(Donbon2set100) and filter out the Pz Hedge ie: Magic - PZ HEDGE (5); not doing too badly.

Regards,
HumbleTrader
 
Title: Re: PZ MA Crossover
Post by: donbon2 on January 24, 2019, 09:07:00 PM
that strategy backtests at 100% a year regardless of being stopped out a few times -- I put it in the higher risk category of anything I have made -- but yeah it is going ok on your account - which is good that it matches up with what it was built to do.

it is hard because people want EAs that they can sit back and do nothing with ..... I get that but this one I would disable from the second week of December till the end of first week of January .... and I would have a time filter to not open the first trade during the off times and a spread filter would make is better as well... so as to not trigger the trade on rollover spread widening.

alot of the things I have built they all test great but we need to see that on the demo-real accounts coming through.
Title: Re: PZ MA Crossover
Post by: Humble Trader's Fx on January 24, 2019, 09:50:55 PM
that strategy backtests at 100% a year regardless of being stopped out a few times -- I put it in the higher risk category of anything I have made -- but yeah it is going ok on your account - which is good that it matches up with what it was built to do.

it is hard because people want EAs that they can sit back and do nothing with ..... I get that but this one I would disable from the second week of December till the end of first week of January .... and I would have a time filter to not open the first trade during the off times and a spread filter would make is better as well... so as to not trigger the trade on rollover spread widening.

alot of the things I have built they all test great but we need to see that on the demo-real accounts coming through.

If you come up with an improved set file, please pass it on so that I can upgrade the EA.

Regards,
HumbleTrader
Title: Re: PZ MA Crossover
Post by: donbon2 on January 24, 2019, 09:55:19 PM
I can't add any more to that one - as I can only use the options the EA has available

if I come up with a new set will post it .. but regardless of the limitations in the EA itself and the strategy - it should hit 100% a year as is.
Title: Re: PZ MA Crossover
Post by: diyforexskills on January 25, 2019, 09:46:24 AM
Just coming back to the MA crossover and whether we could use ATR to either modify the MA cross, the tp and/or sl, or just to know when to switch the EA on or off.

The eurusd30 min set file from donbon2 worked really well in 2018 as per DB2's back test, but failed badly in 2017 as per reiner's testing.

So I thought I would check what the ATR period 14 on the Daily was showing form 2015 as per image below. Comparing the ATR in 2018 (when the EA performed well)  to that in 2017 (when it performed badly), I can't see any way in which we could use the Daily ATR to modify the EA so that it performs equally well in 2017 and 2018. To me there is not much difference in how volatility (ATR) behaved in 2017 compared to 2018. Even if I change the period to 2 or 4 or 7 etc. And yet EA performance was vastly different between those two years..

2015 and 2016 are a different story in terms of ATR but I don't have BT results for those years to know whether the EA performed better or worse during those years; and hence whether there is any correlation of performance with Daily ATR.

So the search continues for another explanation/correlation. Suggestions anyone?
Title: Re: PZ MA Crossover
Post by: FLechdrop on January 25, 2019, 03:31:40 PM
Was travelling for a few days. Thanks for this extended brainstorm, diyforexskills and donbon2. I agree it may be best to build a new EA along these lines, or to use AutoTrader in as far as it gives sufficient options, so as to be able to incorporate new ideas. Though that could be quite a bit of work, obviously. Then we could add ATR-based TP and SL, an RSI filter, ATR-crossover if that turns out to be useful, etc.

Don't you think this should be fairly doable with EA Lab, donbon2?

Hi Flechdrop. Would you mind sharing your 10 yr BT of this eurusd m30 set file. We know the MA cross settings and tp and sl are good for 2018; what I would like to know is during what years/periods these settings gave a bad return. I could then examine the charts for those periods to see which indicators like ATR or RSI could be used to to either filter trades and/or modify the MA period crossover settings.

Sure. I did not save it, but did it again. Starting from 2008 to include the crisis, so 11 years:
Title: Re: PZ MA Crossover
Post by: donbon2 on January 25, 2019, 05:05:03 PM
I added a whole bunch of crossovers to my sig so maybe lets let them run and maybe look at ea lab like you suggested for the future.

one thing that has thrown things out a bit was the 5 stops from ichimoku - which probably would have made money today -- but anyway lets keep seeing how they perform.

so far the main note has been alot of the crossovers have happened in Asia - and the move comes about 15 pips only then drops back to trigger the trailing then like today new york moves it quite far so we kind of get lost within the move... where potentially if the crossover came in new york we would have got nicer smoother profit.

I am real tired and hurt my achilles tendon - so back at it monday when I am feeling bit better
Title: Re: PZ MA Crossover
Post by: donbon2 on January 25, 2019, 09:34:23 PM
if you look at the usdcad one - I think it illustrates why this sort of system ultimately makes money in the longer run.

this actual trade opened at 26 and the trail got hit at 23 -- but regardless of that - if you were awake and saw the cross the trade made real sense

here is the chart itself
Title: Re: PZ MA Crossover
Post by: Humble Trader's Fx on January 25, 2019, 10:59:11 PM
if you look at the usdcad one - I think it illustrates why this sort of system ultimately makes money in the longer run.

this actual trade opened at 26 and the trail got hit at 23 -- but regardless of that - if you were awake and saw the cross the trade made real sense

here is the chart itself

Hello, Donbon2.

Would you please update your signature list regarding the MA Crossover and since you have excluded the Ichimoku, include after the PZ MA Crossover, the magic number(s) which apply for those who want to filter out only the MA Crossover; MA Crossover  (5) or (15) or (98765, the default magic number inc. with the EA)...

Thank you.  :)

Regards,
HumbleTrader
Title: Re: PZ MA Crossover
Post by: diyforexskills on January 26, 2019, 03:38:56 AM
Thanks for the BT Flechdrop.

Makes for some interesting analysis as shown in the image. Over the full BT period from 2008:

1. Tuesdays and Thursdays are the profitable days and would improve performance almost three-fold if we only traded this EA on those days of the week. ($439 vs $1234). Gives a smoother profit curve over full period but stagnation in 2015 to 2017.
2. However for 2018 only, restricting trading days to Tu and Th reduces profit from $552 to $360.
3. Shorts provide far more profit than Longs even though the % win rate is about the same at around 80%. So Longs must get triggered more by the BE and TS.
4. And higher ATR (as in 2015 and 2016) does not seem to improve performance.

Some food for thought but no definitive conclusions. I am still thinking however of a MA crossover setting that would be modulated by ATR; the higher the M30 ATR, the faster the fast MA of the crossover pairs needs to be. Otherwise the trade is entered too late in the swing. I have worked out the formula, now I would need to get it coded into the Autotrader; and then do all the optimisation runs.  :-\
Title: Re: PZ MA Crossover
Post by: reinerh on January 26, 2019, 03:19:04 PM

diy,

thats what i do with my manual strategies, only run them on the best days. going only long or short i do not, but thats another way to get more out of things.

so many ways to get mission accomplished :)
Title: Re: PZ MA Crossover
Post by: donbon2 on January 26, 2019, 06:30:04 PM
HT

15 is ichimoku
85 is stochs

the rest are ma crossover sets

basically after a week without 15 the portfolio is down 1%

even though some of the trades had potential -- long aud at 7113 short cad 1.3326   probably the standouts -- the initial break came in asia and price moved the 18-20 pips to trigger be and trailing -- and the market came back to take out those stops -- so the larger move was missed .. the problem with removing that protection is the number of stops hit rises too much - so just have to live with some frustration where the move stalls at initial break point.

stochs EA worked well - the one day it went short market dropped 80 pips trailing hit at like +18 - and then friday it went long towards the low and trailing sl was avoided until +80
Title: Re: PZ MA Crossover
Post by: donbon2 on January 26, 2019, 06:38:27 PM
people PM me about the bonus

https://www.fortfs.com/promotion/promo-actions/welcome-bonus-75

keep in mind that there is probably 1000 restrictions and other stuff - so you will be hard pressed to make any money .. but it does give you the chance to use an EA in a live environment instead of demo without any risk... so there you have it.

I had a fortfx account for powerflow from a while ago - so I added it to that... now I run powerflow on ICM spreads are better just allows things to close faster basically but anyway if that interests you - then try it.
Title: Re: PZ MA Crossover
Post by: donbon2 on January 26, 2019, 10:08:04 PM
as far as improving this EA further

lets say EA triggers a trade -- then

if ATR >80
if points profit is greater than 50
if 10 bar breakout - then buy or sell - so add to position

trail both positions SL to 1 bar low

always in trading it is good if market moves to strong trend to buy with it .. so try to increase profits when it is trading correctly.

also I would have

a check before the first position is opened

if ATR <40 then do not open first trade -- it is pointless to trade if market is not moving enough to trade properly.

another possible change maybe if ATR >100 disable the breakeven functions and let the EA have more room to trade as it is more likely to see larger movement and not need the BE function which is really a protective feature for low daily ranges so you do not get full SL much
Title: Re: PZ MA Crossover
Post by: donbon2 on January 26, 2019, 10:26:40 PM
ok I did a quick check on something

this EA setfile is really good in 2018 excellent really but I went back to january 2017 to now and did a before image

then I filtered out all the bad hours and then you get the after image

obviously if we make this simple change - the performance overall works out alot better - surprise surprise that opening a trade during Asia does not tend to work very well.

Title: Re: PZ MA Crossover
Post by: donbon2 on January 26, 2019, 10:30:33 PM
so it is obvious that the following needs to be done

it is not allowed to open a trade in the following hours

1-8 11 17 18 22

days make no difference it should trade everyday just not open a trade at these times

Title: Re: PZ MA Crossover
Post by: nwboater on January 26, 2019, 10:48:46 PM
Wow what an impressive improvement!!! :)

Now we just need to find a simple, hopefully inexpensive Trade Manager to do this for us.

Anyone have ideas?

Thanks again donbon2 for sharing so much here.

Hope you are feeling better!

Cheers,
Rod
Title: Re: PZ MA Crossover
Post by: donbon2 on January 26, 2019, 10:56:28 PM
im in pain but I have to drive my girlfriend to work

I will try to make this in EA Lab so we can test it first to make sure it works as expected -- the good thing about that is I can then optimize every currency set file I have made

after that we can look at introducing some of the bigger ideas where the EA can adapt itself - rather than be stuck with one set file all the time
Title: Re: PZ MA Crossover
Post by: donbon2 on January 27, 2019, 01:35:09 AM
here is my first effort

what I did was also add in an ATR check

the other difference is in trailing TP and SL -- mine is bit more aggressive.

I need to build it out more and optimize -- but as you can see the actual strategy is valid

PF 2.93

this is for 2017 + 2018


Title: Re: PZ MA Crossover
Post by: donbon2 on January 27, 2019, 02:18:33 AM
I feel like mine is more advanced than the original one as I can set a minimum ATR before trades will execute I feel like this is the first step towards making something really good.

The one thing I cannot do without help probably from tradeview is to alter the actual MA's TP/SL trailing based on a ATR check each day - that is just over my programming head ... depending on the results I get from optimizing I will consider speaking to them about it -- but they are extremely pushy on the phone and think they know everything - it is quite painful.

when I last took a call from them they were like wanting me to show them what I came up with -- just left a bad taste in my mouth to be honest .... anyway I will probably remove all the EAs from the signature account except Stoch EA -- and add in optimized new ones as they are definately more long term robust.. I will try to label them differently so it is more clear.

if anyone has further suggestions or ideas now would be the time to let me know to see if I can do it.
Title: Re: PZ MA Crossover
Post by: diyforexskills on January 27, 2019, 02:21:58 AM
so it is obvious that the following needs to be done

it is not allowed to open a trade in the following hours

1-8 11 17 18 22

days make no difference it should trade everyday just not open a trade at these times

Over the longer term I'm not convinced about the time of day. If we look at the 10 yr BT from Flechdrop, it sort of but not quite mimics your results for the 2 yrs from 2017 (top image).

But then if we do the whatif analysis we get the following results (bottom image). In order:

1. The set file as is
2. Excluding your hrs and trading M to F
3. Excluding your hrs and trading only Tu and Th (only 184 trades over 10 yrs!!)
4. All hrs but only on Tu and Th

So I would still be inclined to go for day exclusion rather than hour exclusion. Either way we are looking at less than 1 trade a week; but of course we would run on several currency pairs to increase the trading.
Title: Re: PZ MA Crossover
Post by: donbon2 on January 27, 2019, 02:39:20 AM
I went through day exclusion as well - hours were better ... I already knew Asia was a waste of time for follow through trades 9/10 times

watching the optimizations running the best profit comes from ATR 65 and higher = which I already knew anyway - anything less than 65 then you need a scalper to trade it.
Title: Re: PZ MA Crossover
Post by: diyforexskills on January 27, 2019, 03:07:12 AM
Maybe over last two years but not over last 10 yrs. Anyway, whatever works.

Your efforts have given me encouragement to explore this further.

So now I will get my coder to add in the ATR modifying MA periods which will have its own ATR TF and Period settings.
Then on the Autotrader I already have:
1. ATR-based TP, SL and TS with it own ATR TF and Period settings (so can be the same or different as used for the MA adjustments).
2. Scale-in feature at fixed pip based steps (so not dynamic as you are suggesting) with its own exit features
3. And option to basket manage open trades for basket TP, SL and TS by ATR
4. And of course further filtering by RSI or MA of RSI

I don't have an ATR filter (could be added) but I am thinking that modifying the MA periods by ATR, based on M30 for quick response, will do the trick better. Only time and testing will tell.
Title: Re: PZ MA Crossover
Post by: donbon2 on January 27, 2019, 03:08:08 AM
the above test was done with a 45 ATR

after optimization is was showing higher numbers were better - so I went with 65 which seemed a kind of middle ground between filtering out too many trades and being too low and caught with crap really.

basically that removes about 8-10 trades - lifts the PF to 3.72  -- so higher profit lower DD is what is coming through now.

in EURAUD the ATR number is 75 as a comparision

probably the last thing to do is revisit the actual MA numbers and see if given the changes there might be better ones to use.
Title: Re: PZ MA Crossover
Post by: donbon2 on January 27, 2019, 03:12:54 AM
this is what 2017-2018 with an ATR filter  plus it has the time exclusion built in we got from this mornings testing

PF 5.07  profit 1401 DD 190
Title: Re: PZ MA Crossover
Post by: diyforexskills on January 27, 2019, 03:41:28 AM
I think you are focusing on the Daily ATR to decide when and when not to allow an entry.

What I am thinking is using the M30 ATR to vary the MA periods. I am focusing on getting in early on a cross of MAs when ATR is high on the M30 so that we get in early on the swing, rather than at the end by the time when the 45 EMA lagging indicator has finally crossed the 165 and the price is already starting to reverse.
Conversely when ATR is low, the MA period will be lengthened thus avoiding getting a cross of the MAs for what would be a losing entry.

At least that is my prognosis.
Title: Re: PZ MA Crossover
Post by: donbon2 on January 27, 2019, 04:05:34 AM
I am using EA Lab and I do not really know how to work that way with this program -- ie modify MAs TP and SL due to a reading on shorter term ATR

the only way I can finetune it - is find market periods where the range is big enough for this to hit full TP and ignore the fake outs -- and also to avoid always getting the trailing hit to increase the profits... this I can do with daily ATR filter

yours will trade more mine will trade less that would be the difference.
Title: Re: PZ MA Crossover
Post by: diyforexskills on January 27, 2019, 04:21:59 AM
Always good to have different approaches in play.
Title: Re: PZ MA Crossover
Post by: donbon2 on January 27, 2019, 08:58:34 PM
ok after a sunday of work this is what I came up with

this is a portfolio of yen aud cad eur euraud all with ma crossovers - some time restrictions and an ATR filter

it is tested for 2017-2018 and the small part of 2019

if you compare this to the original ones - they were great in 2018 but poor in 2017 -- so it seems we have a more robust trading ability now -- the ATR filters not taking any trades when the ranges are not big enough made a big difference.

in fact the next thing I work on will be studying that a bit more and looking to make a scalper that only trades when these MA crossovers aren't.
Title: Re: PZ MA Crossover
Post by: donbon2 on January 27, 2019, 09:06:18 PM
I know this is just going to start on the demo today - but what this shows me that you are better off buying one of these EA builder programs and getting some ideas and doing it yourself -- as so many of the commercial EAs I bought I do not even use anymore -- and none of them ever had backtests that looked like this MA crossover series anyway.

the other thing is the risk of this blowing up is next to zero - they all have tightish SL and they are by nature trend following -- no martingale or other BS.

anyway whether its EA Lab or another product similar - I would suggest putting more time into those... also when I read about signal services with 60% DD -- well again these may trade less often but it would appear they will be alot less stressful.

in case your wondering about the ATR settings themselves -- the lowest one is 45 then 50 then 60 and the highest is yen on 70 .... what the filter does is give the trade more chance to hit a full TP and that is what is making the profit rise -- looking at the worst month its November - we know why as that tends to have the smallest moves or no moves -- so it makes sense we don't see as much trading there and/or worst result.
Title: Re: PZ MA Crossover
Post by: donbon2 on January 27, 2019, 09:18:24 PM
before anyone asks for these EAs

"You agree to use the Service solely for your own non-commercial use and benefit, and not for resale or other transfer or disposition to, or for use by or for the benefit of, any other person or entity."

I cannot really give away EA Lab code/EAs -- either Andrew will have to replicate them - or I will have to have a coder make them in normal code away from the EA Lab format it currently is in.

Lets see how the performance goes first to see if it is worth it or not.

HT I suggest we have a private thread we can discuss this sort of thing.
Title: Re: PZ MA Crossover
Post by: Humble Trader's Fx on January 27, 2019, 10:35:46 PM

HT I suggest we have a private thread we can discuss this sort of thing.


Hello, Donbon2.

I am not sure I understand what you mean by a "Private" thread. (A) Are you asking for another thread; please specify the title which you would like.

(B) The only way I am aware of a "Private" conversation is through each interested party sending pm's to each other. Persons may post to the current thread their interest and each will know who is in the "buddy list" and pm each.

Please let me know and I will do what is possible for our members.

Regards,
HumbleTrader
Title: Re: PZ MA Crossover
Post by: donbon2 on January 28, 2019, 12:24:45 AM
is there a way to have a locked thread where only invited members can post -- I'm happy to share how to code these things - but I don't want someone to just come in - take my idea and sell it -- so like if you have been a member for 6 months or more you could access it ?

I do not know if this is possible.... just so active members can get bit more out of these things going forward.
Title: Re: PZ MA Crossover
Post by: nwboater on January 28, 2019, 01:00:03 AM
is there a way to have a locked thread where only invited members can post -- I'm happy to share how to code these things - but I don't want someone to just come in - take my idea and sell it -- so like if you have been a member for 6 months or more you could access it ?

I do not know if this is possible.... just so active members can get bit more out of these things going forward.

If it's not possible on the Forum you could have a Skype Group that you control. Or HT or me or whoever you want could control it. Many of us have done this for other Forex stuff.

thanks for your continuing efforts and your desire to share! :)

Cheers,
Rod
Title: Re: PZ MA Crossover
Post by: donbon2 on January 28, 2019, 08:06:08 PM
this is the closest one to opening a trade

atr 17 = 122  atr filter is 60 - so that is ok

and MA cross is not too far away either
Title: Re: PZ MA Crossover
Post by: Humble Trader's Fx on January 28, 2019, 09:14:29 PM
is there a way to have a locked thread where only invited members can post -- I'm happy to share how to code these things - but I don't want someone to just come in - take my idea and sell it -- so like if you have been a member for 6 months or more you could access it ?

I do not know if this is possible.... just so active members can get bit more out of these things going forward.

I have placed this question to Donna and I am waiting for a response; I will advise a.s.a.p.  :)

Regards,
HumbleTrader
Title: Re: PZ MA Crossover
Post by: FLechdrop on January 29, 2019, 12:14:07 AM
Hello donbon2, great work in this thread!

before anyone asks for these EAs

"You agree to use the Service solely for your own non-commercial use and benefit, and not for resale or other transfer or disposition to, or for use by or for the benefit of, any other person or entity."

I cannot really give away EA Lab code/EAs -- either Andrew will have to replicate them - or I will have to have a coder make them in normal code away from the EA Lab format it currently is in.

Lets see how the performance goes first to see if it is worth it or not.

HT I suggest we have a private thread we can discuss this sort of thing.

I discussed this with them some time ago and if I remember correctly the essential thing is that you are not charging money. Exchanging ideas without charging anyone should not be a problem. Don't remember exactly what they said about sharing actual EAs. You can ask them yourself, to be sure what the rules exactly are. Or I could ask it for you.

If you just write down the exact rules you used for building the EA, that should not be a problem in any case. And anyone with EA Lab or who could code themselves, could recreate it from that.
Title: Re: PZ MA Crossover
Post by: donbon2 on January 29, 2019, 12:35:16 AM
yes - if we have a closed thread - I will just write the inputs and you can recreate yourself ... what I do not want is to have someone just taking my idea and charging people for it - who have one post and just download everything .. I won't support that sort of thing - as it takes me hours to do all this stuff.

if Andrew updates his autotrader - then maybe we can do a deal with him and just make them in that - I would prefer that as I have in mind what I want - but with EA Lab it does not do exactly what I want.
Title: Re: PZ MA Crossover
Post by: donbon2 on January 29, 2019, 12:40:30 AM
this is the closest one to opening a trade

atr 17 = 122  atr filter is 60 - so that is ok

and MA cross is not too far away either

well we got the cross and as expected price is up 50 or so points now ... my EA didnt take the trade as it must be time restricted - as all the other conditions were met

but I just wanted to illustrate why this thing is really accurate with its trades -- the MAs it is using are highly correlated to profits at the moment .. when you get the crosses the market is responding.

just like the usdcad one I showed the other day -- that time the trail got hit -- but I have changed the trail in this one so it will be alot more interesting to follow from now on.

you do not need to be a rocket scientist to make money in FX - but what you need is these set ups to show you where the market should go.
Title: Re: PZ MA Crossover
Post by: diyforexskills on January 29, 2019, 02:58:40 AM
So here is an example of what I am hoping to achieve by making the MA crossover modulated by ATR.

The image shows two open trades - one is from PZ EA the other the FXAE version of that strategy. The only real difference is in the TS. I use a simple 30 at 30 while the PZ EA has a % based TS, tighter.

However the main thing I wanted to point out is how we could have got into this trade earlier if the rising ATR on M30 could have altered the EMAs as shown - from 45/165 to 15/120. Quite a large change for a small increase in ATR so during optimisation I would also try using the M15 ATR as the timeframe for modulation. In the FXAE modification we will be able to modify the fast and slow MAs individually so that we can program for any combination of fast/slow.

And of course we will also be able to recreate donbon's version using ATR as a filter for when and when not to take the cross of static MAs. Then we can run them in parallel and maybe they will have different profitable periods just like we are now seeing with the FXAE BB strategies.
Title: Re: PZ MA Crossover
Post by: donbon2 on January 29, 2019, 08:09:42 AM
eurcad this is one I added today

opened first trade

Title: Re: PZ MA Crossover
Post by: FLechdrop on January 29, 2019, 09:23:45 AM
yes - if we have a closed thread - I will just write the inputs and you can recreate yourself ... what I do not want is to have someone just taking my idea and charging people for it - who have one post and just download everything .. I won't support that sort of thing - as it takes me hours to do all this stuff.

if Andrew updates his autotrader - then maybe we can do a deal with him and just make them in that - I would prefer that as I have in mind what I want - but with EA Lab it does not do exactly what I want.

Understood. I would think that EA Lab ought to be more flexible than Autotrader. What do you have in mind that you cannot figure out how to do?
Title: Re: PZ MA Crossover
Post by: donbon2 on January 29, 2019, 09:52:21 AM
I want to have in the control part each hour and each day individually to check a box to trade it or not

right now it is done manually -- as the hour function is from to when .. I want to specify each hour easily without building additional functions like I do now.

honestly I dislike EA Lab - I think Tradeview is way to pushy - trying to get a much money from users as possible ... I saw on their site they charge $550 an hour to help you with a model.

seems to me their trading is not going so good and they are just trying to get money out of ordinary people.

For example I have way more experience professionally trading than all of them put together - and when I spoke to one of the guys there he was like we cant wait to see what you build ..... I just do not like that at all.
Title: Re: PZ MA Crossover
Post by: FLechdrop on January 29, 2019, 10:10:49 AM
right now it is done manually -- as the hour function is from to when .. I want to specify each hour easily without building additional functions like I do now.

Not sure I understand this. You mean that for every from-to period you need to build a different function? If so, yes, you will need as many functions as you want to have from-to periods to set (either per week or per weekday). You can make the hours themselves an external variable, though, for optimisation purposes.

I guess a lot of this is because of the structure of MQL4 code. There are ways to get what you want, but sometimes they seem pretty inefficient.

As for being pushy, I would say they are good marketers. As I understood it, they charge a monthly fee for helping you with models of $99 (or a $990 one time fee).

The sensible thing about them is that they are advising you to build a large portfolio of low drawdown, low (but higher) profit EAs with different strategies, to even out the curve.
Title: Re: PZ MA Crossover
Post by: diyforexskills on January 29, 2019, 10:20:28 AM
Wow, maybe I should increase my monthly fee for helping from $0 to something more respectable.  :)  Then again, theirs is a business, mine is more of a hobby/interest.
Title: Re: PZ MA Crossover
Post by: donbon2 on January 29, 2019, 10:24:55 AM
yes it isnt optimal how it is now

it only has one hour settings so I have to do many for the various settings

your probably like me where IC pay for my access - but if I want to speak to them I have to pay 1500 or 550 an hour -- I just find it insulting - that they are just using IC to take money off the clients.

also I built all of the models they spoke about and tested them - they all lost money -- they just cherry picked a time where they worked and included that in the videos ... so basically you have to pay them quite alot to get anywhere ..... I prefer to work with Andrew from the forum here - as he is bit like me in wanting to see the best results and not always thinking about oh for my time I need $1000 ... like I said I find it insulting ... that is just me though I tend to look at things pretty critically.
Title: Re: PZ MA Crossover
Post by: donbon2 on January 29, 2019, 10:30:01 AM
here is the one page

for access its 1450 not 1500 my bad

https://www.tradeview.com.au/product/systems-building/

you might have to take my word for it - but it is 550 an hour for the other one - I just cannot find that page right now
Title: Re: PZ MA Crossover
Post by: donbon2 on January 29, 2019, 10:32:03 AM
andrew lets speak tomorrow and see if we cant build one of these up in your product .. just let me know if that works for you or not .. I would prefer to support forum members than 3rd parties charging stupid prices.
Title: Re: PZ MA Crossover
Post by: diyforexskills on January 29, 2019, 11:12:12 AM
Sure, let's talk. Not ready yet for a couple of weeks with the revamp of the autotrader but would be good to understand what is needed.
(In getting the Stoch built on for one of my subscribers, I came to realise the difference between a filter and a trigger in mql coding structure; now my poor coder has some work to do to get that fixed before we move onto the other things. But the spec for that is almost completed; always good to reflect on specs before submitting for quote and work to start).
Title: Re: PZ MA Crossover
Post by: FLechdrop on January 29, 2019, 11:19:40 AM
yes it isnt optimal how it is now

it only has one hour settings so I have to do many for the various settings

your probably like me where IC pay for my access - but if I want to speak to them I have to pay 1500 or 550 an hour -- I just find it insulting - that they are just using IC to take money off the clients.

also I built all of the models they spoke about and tested them - they all lost money -- they just cherry picked a time where they worked and included that in the videos ... so basically you have to pay them quite alot to get anywhere ..... I prefer to work with Andrew from the forum here - as he is bit like me in wanting to see the best results and not always thinking about oh for my time I need $1000 ... like I said I find it insulting ... that is just me though I tend to look at things pretty critically.

Yes, IC pays for my access as well. I built only one of their models so far. It was not a success. Some of them we may be able to improve...

I do not see the price $550 an hour anywhere. That would be outrageous, but as I said I heard about $99 a month. I can actually see it in my profile on the site. And they offered to give some advice for free as well if I had any questions. Just if you want them to build things for you, you would have to pay.

As for one hour settings: you can do "> hour x and < hour y", right?
Title: Re: PZ MA Crossover
Post by: donbon2 on January 29, 2019, 11:32:15 AM
yes that is what I do now

>x  <y

but for some reason it is sketchy .. I can't explain it -- I would prefer a box to select hours and days -- rather than get what I have now .... the reason being when I am optimizing it interferes with that.

for example the original maybe PF 2.1  with the adjustment it should be PF 2.72 but when I build and retest its 1.26

it is a pain and I believe if it was coded better I would get the result I should be expecting -- this takes me along time to do at present which is why I said I actually don't like EA Lab... as I got to go back and go over again and again to get each one right.

sure no problems Andrew lets chat tomorrow and pick it up whenever.
Title: Re: PZ MA Crossover
Post by: donbon2 on January 29, 2019, 11:36:47 AM
I found it.

so we are IC Markets members they pay the base rate

for assistance and access to the other stuff it is 1450 -- otherwise you pay this

"If you would like immediate support and you are NOT a member of our SOFTWARE & SUPPORT PACKAGE then we will request a fee for our service of $550 per hour to assist."

like I said you just get the feeling that there is less trading going on and more fee generation than anything else.
Title: Re: PZ MA Crossover
Post by: FLechdrop on January 29, 2019, 12:07:07 PM
I found it.

so we are IC Markets members they pay the base rate

for assistance and access to the other stuff it is 1450 -- otherwise you pay this

"If you would like immediate support and you are NOT a member of our SOFTWARE & SUPPORT PACKAGE then we will request a fee for our service of $550 per hour to assist."

like I said you just get the feeling that there is less trading going on and more fee generation than anything else.

Wow, that is a bit funny. I think that is part of the marketing, though, to get people to pay $99 a month and feel that is cheap. Who would pay $550 an hour?

By the way, the 'immediate support' and concrete help with building EAs seems to be not included in the $1450 package either, although some basic support is. It is a bit vague.

As for the models they present in the videos: I guess we should take them as way to learn how to work with EA Lab, rather than literally copying them and trading them live.
Title: Re: PZ MA Crossover
Post by: donbon2 on January 29, 2019, 08:38:34 PM
yeah like I said to me the whole thing is fishy about that company
Title: Re: PZ MA Crossover
Post by: FLechdrop on January 29, 2019, 08:56:16 PM
Nevertheless I like it as a tool.
Title: Re: PZ MA Crossover
Post by: donbon2 on January 30, 2019, 07:24:12 AM
I think Andrews autotrader in the long run maybe the better way to go - but you know I think everyone has an opinion on which they prefer
Title: Re: PZ MA Crossover
Post by: FLechdrop on January 30, 2019, 10:15:41 AM
AutoTrader might be more suitable for us trying things out together. But I like the 'logic blocks' interface. It gets my brain going more.
Title: Re: PZ MA Crossover
Post by: diyforexskills on January 30, 2019, 10:38:17 AM
Just curious. Logic blocks as in circuit diagrams? In terms of developing a trading strategy, how do you "block" the logics? What mental or development process do you go through to develop a strategy?
Never thought much about this but I suppose we might arrive at different strategies depending on how we approach the challenge of making a winning strategy. Always accepting of course that fundamentals will always trump the technicals from time to time.
Title: Re: PZ MA Crossover
Post by: donbon2 on January 30, 2019, 10:52:48 AM
you can see the blocks in the DB2 thread .. that is what he is referring too.
Title: Re: PZ MA Crossover
Post by: FLechdrop on January 30, 2019, 10:53:39 AM
Don't know who these people are, but here you can see some pictures of the interface as well:

https://xntrades.com/index.php/ea-lab-trade-view/
Title: Re: PZ MA Crossover
Post by: FLechdrop on January 30, 2019, 10:58:09 AM
And yes, if we could make a model involving the fundamentals as well... That is what the big guys do, of course.
Title: Re: PZ MA Crossover
Post by: donbon2 on January 30, 2019, 11:04:59 AM
that is much more complex - we are limited to what we have available and they are not all that smart.

If you think about it where is the most money made in FX ? It is always placing bets on the trending side -- of course markets do not trend all the time which is why those models trade less and people look more to scalpers as they like to see trades line up.

MA Crossover really if we can make it smarter where the MAs change according to the market - so they are nice and slow in trends and fast in more active range markets - that will be the best we can do.

I personally can not make this in EA Lab -- either I am not smart enough or the functions are not there for me to find - but with Andrews tool this maybe possible we just have to wait on the mods and do some testing.