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Title: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: flamenco on January 02, 2012, 09:01:47 PM
Received an email this morning from Steve Hopwood (well known and respected programmer from the FF) who is excited about discovering a new forex website with EA's programmed by Craig Stoltz aka 'Bluto' whom Steve is in complete awe of.

Craig is a senior developer and Project Manager at NASA with a PhD is Computer Engineering who got interested in forex trading and developing EA's about 8 years ago.  He has a website for his group called 'FXAW' and the information there is certainly exciting and very interesting to say the least.

It costs $299 to join FXWA but for what you will get it seems well worth the price.  If Steve Hopwood is blown away by the FXWA I'm certainly going to join it as it takes a lot to impress him!  Here's the two downloads regarding Craig Stoltz and the FXWA you may want to check out for yourselves.  ;)

P.S.  I do NOT have any attachments with FXWA - wanna make that clear.  But if you contact Craig just mention you became interested in FXWA from Donna's Forum!
Title: Re: FXAW
Post by: Shrike on January 02, 2012, 09:28:43 PM
Sounds great. I am also a member of the new Steve Hopwood Forum (don't read the PM before), but he send us so many PM's... ;D
Title: Re: FXAW
Post by: Hamno on January 02, 2012, 09:33:43 PM
Curious and always open to places where ideas are exchanged, but has anyone who has actually joined this forum proclaim that its worth the money?
Title: Re: FXAW
Post by: Ree on January 02, 2012, 09:34:06 PM
And the website is.....?
Title: Re: FXAW
Post by: flamenco on January 02, 2012, 09:49:21 PM
And the website is.....?
That's all in the PDF files I listed!  All you need to do is read them!  You can also email him at 'blutofx@gmail.com' and get lots of information about it - most of which is covered in the PDF manuals.
Title: Re: FXAW
Post by: flamenco on January 02, 2012, 10:26:15 PM
Curious and always open to places where ideas are exchanged, but has anyone who has actually joined this forum proclaim that its worth the money?

Steve Hopwood for one.  Gee guys - give it a chance! The threads only been up for a couple of hours.  Craig has only just released the FXWA to accept new members.  This email may help give you a little more info.

"Greetings, Bill!
>
> Thank you for your interest in Forex Autotrader's World (FXAW). I am
> sending you the attached membership invitation document which includes
> all of the information about FXAW.  The invitation document
> describes what steps you need to take should you decide to join us.
> In addition, I'm attaching a white-paper document containing
> interesting information about a new revolutionary Forex trading system
> called "Entropy"  which I just released to my group members four weeks
> ago.  I realize that the term "revolutionary" sounds cliche' and I'm
> certain that you see similar terms such as "groundbreaking" and such
> all day long when you encounter yet another Forex trading system for
> sale, especially for the Metatrader platform.  I can assure you that
> Entropy is for real and is achieving some truly unprecedented
> results....results that i've never seen in my 40+ years of trading..
> Likewise, I am for real as well, unlike the artifical personalities
> you see in web ads and on boxshots selling Metatrader Expert Advisors
> Our private forum has over 1,000 members, all working together and
> collaborating to make our trading tools even better.  The last four
> weeks of performance with Entropy during our beta-shakedown have been
> off the charts. Take a look at the white-paper and see for yourself.
>
> Let me know if you have any further questions. I'm always available to help.
>
> ** UPDATE @ 12/29/2011 **
>
> The new Entropy trading system has now completed it's 4th week of beta
> testing in the hands of over 1,000 FXAW members and we are
> accumulating some solid metrics on the trade signal performance.
> Entropy uses a very relaxed "swing trading" style of trading and
> during many months of development, it was my observation and
> conclusion that the H4 timeframe consistently yielded amazing
> performance.  This has proven itself to be the case in the hands of
> our FXAW members.  The H4 timeframe has yielded an astonishing 85% -
> 90% success rate with an average gain yield of 100+ pips per trade.
> Trading the H4 timeframe removes a lot of the stress of trading and
> insulates the trader from the tricks and antics of brokers as well as
> much of the volatility seen on the lower timeframes.  The D1 and H1
> timeframes likewise have proven to be very productive.  If your
> personal trading results have been disappointing or if you have been
> losing money using the EA's, Indicators and methods that comprise your
> current approach, if you are serious about wanting to carve out a
> living or just some extra money out of Forex trading, I strongly urge
> you to stop wasting your time and consider joining our ranks and let
> Entropy.help you achieve your goals.
>
> Warmest Regards,
> Craig Stoltz a.k.a. "Bluto"."
Title: Re: FXAW
Post by: Ree on January 03, 2012, 12:27:46 AM
Where can we see some info about Entropy? You have two duplicate pdf files attached to your post :) Maybe you missed something? :)
Title: Re: FXAW
Post by: Rico on January 03, 2012, 12:35:33 AM
Looks and sounds good... but that's forex  ;)

Membership is an excellent deal pricewise - if the EAs etc are also good. Little snippets and wonderful claims are standard, though.

Unfortunately, i guess you don't see any 10 year backtests until you bite the bullet.

Is anyone here already a member? Can they vouch for the EAs?
Title: Re: FXAW
Post by: flamenco on January 03, 2012, 02:22:02 AM
Where can we see some info about Entropy? You have two duplicate pdf files attached to your post :) Maybe you missed something? :)

Oooops!  My goof guys sorry!   :(  I corrected it on post #1.  The other PDF file is info on his new Entrophy EA.  I did join, but since I don't trade either demo or live until the middle of Jan it's going to be awhile before I have any actual results to report on any of his EA's.
Title: Re: FXAW
Post by: Ree on January 03, 2012, 03:11:16 AM
I can tell you one thing, if that is true, that system can be a very profitable in right hands. Sended my request to join the club, will keep you informed.
Title: Re: FXAW
Post by: XOden on January 03, 2012, 05:03:28 AM
Hammo,

I used to be part of a trading group called MAX.  I helped the person that develop the trading method grade all his students homework.  I sat through 8 "semesters" of MAX for the course of over 2 and a half years.   I broke away from the group after the creator of the system passed away.

Most of the indies MAX used and still uses today was developed by Mr Stoltz.  So yeah, I'd say he's a good programmer with some interesting toys.....

Do you need it to trade well?  No....but nevertheless if you are going to use Indies, make em good ones.  I think Mr Stoltz puts out some good indies.

Curious and always open to places where ideas are exchanged, but has anyone who has actually joined this forum proclaim that its worth the money?
Title: Re: FXAW
Post by: Jake on January 03, 2012, 06:14:04 AM
After looking through the various information about "bluto" on the web, I have taken the plunge and paid my membership fee.  I am training myself to avoid the latest new wonderful explosive EA, and only invest in people or systems with a track record.  Bluto has a track record, with many more people speaking for him than against.  However, he does not publish actual results, so many of the traders here would on those grounds alone (and it seems very sensible to me as I write this) keep clear.  So I hope I have made a sound rather than impulsive decision.  But what I have read gives me the same sense of trust I gained in the makers of Smart Master Scalper and Breakout Hunter.  I will let you know over time if I have made the right call.  Cheers
Title: Re: FXAW
Post by: Ree on January 03, 2012, 02:54:03 PM
After looking through the various information about "bluto" on the web, I have taken the plunge and paid my membership fee.  I am training myself to avoid the latest new wonderful explosive EA, and only invest in people or systems with a track record.  Bluto has a track record, with many more people speaking for him than against.  However, he does not publish actual results, so many of the traders here would on those grounds alone (and it seems very sensible to me as I write this) keep clear.  So I hope I have made a sound rather than impulsive decision.  But what I have read gives me the same sense of trust I gained in the makers of Smart Master Scalper and Breakout Hunter.  I will let you know over time if I have made the right call.  Cheers
Did you get your access yet? I'm still waiting.
Title: Re: FXAW
Post by: odysseus11 on January 03, 2012, 03:10:00 PM
I have this to say:

I joined his forum 3 years or so ago.
Craig is *literally* a rocket scientist, but beyond that, he is one of the most professional people I have ever met in forex. His ethics and honesty are, in my opinion, top notch, seriously people he is right up there with Donna herself in terms of QUALITY people that would never steer you wrong and never sell you out for a buck. And that is the most difficult part of trading forex (finding people to work with and collaborate with who have ethics).

IMHO his forum along with this one and Steve Hopwoods, are absolutely, hands down, no question NECESSARY tools for collaboration and interaction for retail forex traders today. I would not say that about any other resource or forum and we all know there are many.  This one and Steve's are free. Craigs is not free, but its single lifetime membership rate is a pittance in comparison to the value it offers, most especially now with Entropy.

I cannot endorse it enough.
Title: Re: FXAW
Post by: Shrike on January 03, 2012, 03:49:33 PM
I have this to say:

I joined his forum 3 years or so ago.
Craig is *literally* a rocket scientist, but beyond that, he is one of the most professional people I have ever met in forex. His ethics and honesty are, in my opinion, top notch, seriously people he is right up there with Donna herself in terms of QUALITY people that would never steer you wrong and never sell you out for a buck. And that is the most difficult part of trading forex (finding people to work with and collaborate with who have ethics).

IMHO his forum along with this one and Steve Hopwoods, are absolutely, hands down, no question NECESSARY tools for collaboration and interaction for retail forex traders today. I would not say that about any other resource or forum and we all know there are many.  This one and Steve's are free. Craigs is not free, but its single lifetime membership rate is a pittance in comparison to the value it offers, most especially now with Entropy.

I cannot endorse it enough.


Thank you for your post.
Title: Re: FXAW
Post by: sponn on January 03, 2012, 04:23:07 PM
I drop him an ameil and waiting for response. Looking to join the forum ;)
Title: FXAW
Post by: e1vis on January 03, 2012, 06:30:22 PM
I have sent payment and am waiting for next steps..
Title: Re: FXAW
Post by: Star on January 03, 2012, 06:39:21 PM
It looks like Entropy is perfect for ranging markets,like we had for the past 4 weeks.It will be interesting to see how it performs in a strong trending market.
Title: Re: FXAW
Post by: SaudiPsycho on January 03, 2012, 06:51:44 PM
Well, It looks interesting but just surprised a private forum with 1000+ users trading and developing systems for sometime but don't show any live real verified testing accounts for their systems ?
I did quick search at some websites , nothing.
Asirikuy for example did publish theirs .

Not sure if those kind of systems can be back-tested.

There should real verified accounts published soon or  ??? .
8)
Title: Re: FXAW
Post by: Ree on January 03, 2012, 07:39:41 PM
One day passed, no reply from the owner :)
Title: Re: FXAW
Post by: odysseus11 on January 03, 2012, 08:19:58 PM
Saudi the new Entropy system is in beta, there ARE no live forward results yet, though I know some members are currently trading with the beta client, which is only a very rough manual BETA (and doing well from what I have seen). I have personally traded some of the H4 signals from the beta on demo, and they are quite simply AMAZING.

I'm sure in due time there will be results on display, and BTW I wouldnt blow Isirikuy's horn too loudly, I am a paying member of that forum also and am extremely disappointed, its basically not much more than some good backtest data and a collection of subpar EA's, IMHO, thrown in with a healthy mix of Daniels bad attitude. I will NOT be reupping to that I dont think.

Well, It looks interesting but just surprised a private forum with 1000+ users trading and developing systems for sometime but don't show any live real verified testing accounts for their systems ?
I did quick search at some websites , nothing.
Asirikuy for example did publish theirs .

Not sure if those kind of systems can be back-tested.

There should real verified accounts published soon or  ??? .
8)
Title: Re: FXAW
Post by: Ree on January 03, 2012, 08:29:16 PM
Saudi the new Entropy system is in beta, there ARE no live forward results yet, though I know some members are currently trading with the beta client, which is only a very rough manual BETA (and doing well from what I have seen). I have personally traded some of the H4 signals from the beta on demo, and they are quite simply AMAZING.

I'm sure in due time there will be results on display, and BTW I wouldnt blow Isirikuy's horn too loudly, I am a paying member of that forum also and am extremely disappointed, its basically not much more than some good backtest data and a collection of subpar EA's, IMHO, thrown in with a healthy mix of Daniels bad attitude. I will NOT be reupping to that I dont think.

Well, It looks interesting but just surprised a private forum with 1000+ users trading and developing systems for sometime but don't show any live real verified testing accounts for their systems ?
I did quick search at some websites , nothing.
Asirikuy for example did publish theirs .

Not sure if those kind of systems can be back-tested.

There should real verified accounts published soon or  ??? .
8)
Can you post some forward testing results of other members on that forum? Is that Entropy system good enough for long term? Some screens will help :)
Title: Re: FXAW
Post by: SaudiPsycho on January 03, 2012, 08:30:44 PM
OK,
for me It will be wait and see .
I see some live testing sections of some of their EAs on their forum but they are "PRIVATE"
They can keep everything private , that's fine but they shouldn't keep live testing private too.
It is like a secret community.
Title: Re: FXAW
Post by: Jake on January 04, 2012, 12:51:04 AM
Thanks for your reassuring information, Odysseus11.  Re access, I have not received access yet, but have had a couple of emails with Craig.  He sounds very sincere.  He said he will set up access as soon as he can, but sounds like he has become very busy with new membership applications from DonnaForexForum members! Plus of course he is still working on Entropy and has his existing membership to work with. So "patience is a virtue" time, I think.  Best wishes
Title: Re: FXAW
Post by: Ree on January 04, 2012, 01:00:42 AM
Thanks for your reassuring information, Odysseus11.  Re access, I have not received access yet, but have had a couple of emails with Craig.  He sounds very sincere.  He said he will set up access as soon as he can, but sounds like he has become very busy with new membership applications from DonnaForexForum members! Plus of course he is still working on Entropy and has his existing membership to work with. So "patience is a virtue" time, I think.  Best wishes
Lets hope he is a good man :) I'm very exited about Entropy and willing to spend weeks learning how this system works :)
Title: Re: FXAW
Post by: aagarcia on January 04, 2012, 01:48:40 AM
How does Entropy work? I saw an interface but no MT platform. How does it get a price feed, trade? Curious as I'm still confused as to design and execution of this system.
Title: Re: FXAW
Post by: e1vis on January 04, 2012, 01:53:30 AM
How does Entropy work? I saw an interface but no MT platform. How does it get a price feed, trade? Curious as I'm still confused as to design and execution of this system.

Have a read through the white paper in the 1st post, it's explained very well. 2 MT4 instances are required - one to collect data and one to trade the signals produced by the core program.
Title: Re: FXAW
Post by: aagarcia on January 04, 2012, 02:01:06 AM
How does Entropy work? I saw an interface but no MT platform. How does it get a price feed, trade? Curious as I'm still confused as to design and execution of this system.

Have a read through the white paper in the 1st post, it's explained very well. 2 MT4 instances are required - one to collect data and one to trade the signals produced by the core program.
Okay will do, thanks e1vis.  Really quick though- is it an EA that is used or mechanical?
Title: Re: FXAW
Post by: Rico on January 04, 2012, 02:03:32 AM
first, flamenco, thanks for bringing fxaw to our attention.

aagarcia, pages 11 and 12 of the white paper have specific information about the components. it was signals originally, but is an EA.

oddy, since you're already a member, would you comment on a few things?

1) i'm guessing systems like Jitterbug and Super RSI can be backtested. But Entropy can't?

2) have you backtested any of the systems, or are there backtest results available on site? if so, how long are the backtests, and are they favourable?

3) saudi mentioned live testing results on their forum. what are these like? for instance, how long, what profit %, what drawdown?
Title: Re: FXAW
Post by: aagarcia on January 04, 2012, 02:04:01 AM
Thank you gentlemen
Title: Re: FXAW
Post by: e1vis on January 04, 2012, 03:20:06 AM
For any existing members, how long has it taken to receive a response after sending payment? I am still waiting to hear back...  ???
Title: Re: FXAW
Post by: disneyland on January 04, 2012, 03:31:42 AM
me too waited for 2 days.. and nothing.. how hard is to grant access to a forum board?
Title: Re: FXAW
Post by: odysseus11 on January 04, 2012, 04:26:21 AM
Rico I'll be glad to answer anything I can:

1) i'm guessing systems like Jitterbug and Super RSI can be backtested. But Entropy can't?
I dont know, because the EA portion is not completed even in beta yet. What IS running right now are SIGNALS that are broadcast to members using a custom-built chat-type application. Whether there will be some way to backtest signals using the EA I cant say for sure, but I dont believe so, because the EA is just a trade manager for the signals, it doesnt/wont have self-contained trade logic. I cant answer for Jitterbug and SuperRSI. I initially joined just after Jitterbug and SuperRSI's last full development releases, and I didint really use them much at all, I cant really comment on them. I did use the last development effort, which was called marauder, about 2 years ago it was released I think, and then refinements and upgrades.
2) have you backtested any of the systems, or are there backtest results available on site? if so, how long are the backtests, and are they favourable?
I have NO idea if there are ANY backtests for any of the systems on the forum. I would assume that there are, but have never done any myself and never looked for any. I hate backtests with the burning passion of a thousand suns. If I had a penny for every wonderful backtest that prompted me to waste my money and even worse my TIME on a useless EA, I would never have to trade again. And if I made a list of the top 5 EA's that have consistently EARNED me profits, not a SINGLE one was put into production by me based on backtests. For me, FORWARD TESTS ONLY. Personal preference.
3) saudi mentioned live testing results on their forum. what are these like? for instance, how long, what profit %, what drawdown?
I dont have those statistics, they arent to my knowledge available yet on a publicly viewable stats platform like myfxbook, but I am sure that sooner rather than later someone will do that. I havent personally because I just havent had the time and the product is in beta anyhow. All that *I* felt compelled to do was alert my fellow board members here that Entropy, in my view after seeing the development process and the early beta signals, can and will be life-changing for us retail traders. And I didnt want to keep that to myself.

Hope this helps.
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Title: Re: FXAW
Post by: disneyland on January 04, 2012, 04:50:59 AM
ok what really disturb me is this...
both another member and i emailed him to show our interest on 2 separate days and he replied almost instance with how to join the forum etc.
However after money is transferred..... he seems to have disappeared despite a couple of politely written follow up emails to ask if he has recieved the funds....
sorry but this is not a good start...

also theres so far no long terms results for current EAs.

People like me are signing up solely based on recommendation by senior members and stevehopwoods.
Title: Re: FXAW
Post by: Rico on January 04, 2012, 05:27:26 AM
Thanks very much for that Oddy.

That's very funny what you say about hating backtests with the burning passion of a thousand suns :)

I've had a different experience with them. I appreciate they can give you an idea of historical performance that you can't get otherwise unless you have a few years of forward tests.

Once you get down to 25% reliability you get on 1 minute tests, though, then there can be some problems.

But thankfully they've saved me spending money - though, like you, not always time - on systems that seem to work on a sound basis, and look ok, even good, on limited forward testing, but bomb on longer periods of time.

Backtesting has revealed serious flaws in their logic, or binds they can get themselves into which are hard to pull out of.

Still, it's interesting to hear your experience and think it's fascinating that your top 5 EAs didn't depend on any backtesting.

Thanks again for your detailed answers!  :)

Title: Re: FXAW
Post by: houston on January 04, 2012, 05:39:35 AM
Hello.. any new members who joined FXAW; any opinions & comments to share? Thank U  :D
Title: Re: FXAW
Post by: Ree on January 04, 2012, 09:02:08 AM
2 days and no reply, lets see how long will it take. Not a good start that is for sure.
Title: Re: FXAW
Post by: Vino_Rosso on January 04, 2012, 09:45:57 AM
Seeing as 'bluto' has a full time job at NASA I think we should all give him a chance. I can imagine he has been inundated with requests.

It doesn't look like he is in it to make money out of people so I say have a little patience and lets not piss him off because he could easily close his site to new subscribers if he finds it is causing him too much stress.
Title: Re: FXAW
Post by: odysseus11 on January 04, 2012, 11:21:23 AM
He is retired now from NASA I believe.

I do have to say that everyone needs a level of patience here.
Remember that those of us that are members waited a YEAR just to get the BETA version of Entropy *signals*...and as amazing as it is, Craig is a one-man-band and just has a bazillion things to do, so it just can take him a little while to get to everyone and every request - BE PATIENT.
Title: Re: FXAW
Post by: flamenco on January 04, 2012, 12:49:00 PM
As odysseus11 says "Use some patience" in getting your membership through.  I joined the first or second day I started this thread and it took a couple of days for my membership to be 'offically' approved.  So what?  I may have created a major headache for Craig right now with so many new members joining.  I'm sure that has also interrupted his time in releasing Entrophy!  You are not being ripped off!

When you get full access to FXAW I must say the info there is overwhelming at first (and second and 3rd glance!)   I've decided not to pursue anything there and just be patient and wait for Entrophy since that really may be the 'icing on the cake'!

And I should have mentioned long ago that Craig takes all membership fees and does not keep them, instead he donates all funds to 3 or 4 various charities and apparently has done so for years.  In the present world of forex vendors he's really a class act!  And yes, he is retired from NASA now.
Title: Re: FXAW
Post by: jamestan1978 on January 04, 2012, 12:57:18 PM
Not that I do not trust Bluto or people vouching for him but there's no proof the money is actually given to charity, it will be good to state the charity so members can verify.
Please dont take my above statement with offense but seriously we can say anything on website .
Title: FXAW
Post by: e1vis on January 04, 2012, 01:05:52 PM
Not that I do not trust Bluto or people vouching for him but there's no proof the money is actually given to charity, it will be good to state the charity so members can verify.
Please dont take my above statement with offense but seriously we can say anything on website .

True, but let's be honest, noone is joining up because of that - I'm pretty certain people would still be just as keen if the charity bit wasn't mentioned at all!

I'm pleased to say Craig's responded and it seems the delay with my membership is to down to paypal. Hopefully it should all be sorted fairly soon.
Title: Re: FXAW
Post by: deweymcg on January 04, 2012, 04:05:51 PM
Based on Steve's recommendation and what some others have said about "Bluto" in anotehr forum, I decided to take the plunge. Hopefully it won't be too long before I get the membership details.
Title: Re: FXAW
Post by: Ree on January 04, 2012, 04:18:46 PM
3 days so far no reply from the owner.
Title: Re: FXAW
Post by: kwchau on January 04, 2012, 04:28:57 PM
3 days so far no reply from the owner.

I signed up 2 days ago and get the membership approved today. Have received all files from Craig for EA's released previously. He said the new entropy 1.3 would be released on Jan 3, but it seems there is some delay. I think he is really busy dealing with new membership and the full release of entropy 1.3.
Title: Re: FXAW
Post by: Ree on January 04, 2012, 04:39:10 PM
3 days so far no reply from the owner.

I signed up 2 days ago and get the membership approved today. Have received all files from Craig for EA's released previously. He said the new entropy 1.3 would be released on Jan 3, but it seems there is some delay. I think he is really busy dealing with new membership and the full release of entropy 1.3.
Looks like I will wait for another 2 days and ask Paypal for refund.
Title: Re: FXAW
Post by: Jake on January 04, 2012, 06:25:02 PM
I have woken up to find the link to access to the FXAW forum in my mailbox.  I can see it is going to take a while to get to grips with everything that is on there.  Thankyou, flamenco, for bringing bluto and his work to our attention. And as always in my experience with forex, patience is a virtue
Title: Re: FXAW
Post by: Ree on January 04, 2012, 06:32:54 PM
I have woken up to find the link to access to the FXAW forum in my mailbox.  I can see it is going to take a while to get to grips with everything that is on there.  Thankyou, flamenco, for bringing bluto and his work to our attention. And as always in my experience with forex, patience is a virtue
Can you provide a screenshot of Entropy?
Title: FXAW
Post by: e1vis on January 04, 2012, 06:38:39 PM
I have woken up to find the link to access to the FXAW forum in my mailbox.  I can see it is going to take a while to get to grips with everything that is on there.  Thankyou, flamenco, for bringing bluto and his work to our attention. And as always in my experience with forex, patience is a virtue
Can you provide a screenshot of Entropy?

Have you had a look through the white paper? I'm pretty sure it has screen shots.
Title: Re: FXAW
Post by: ashwingu on January 04, 2012, 08:53:53 PM
I paid 2 days back and followed up with around 3-4 emails, but have not even received an acknowledgement. Let's see how long it takes.
Title: Re: FXAW
Post by: Ree on January 04, 2012, 09:44:11 PM
I have woken up to find the link to access to the FXAW forum in my mailbox.  I can see it is going to take a while to get to grips with everything that is on there.  Thankyou, flamenco, for bringing bluto and his work to our attention. And as always in my experience with forex, patience is a virtue
Can you provide a screenshot of Entropy?

Have you had a look through the white paper? I'm pretty sure it has screen shots.
Oh yes, one screenshot for 299$ :)
Title: Re: FXAW
Post by: Shrike on January 04, 2012, 09:50:49 PM
I have woken up to find the link to access to the FXAW forum in my mailbox.  I can see it is going to take a while to get to grips with everything that is on there.  Thankyou, flamenco, for bringing bluto and his work to our attention. And as always in my experience with forex, patience is a virtue
Can you provide a screenshot of Entropy?

Have you had a look through the white paper? I'm pretty sure it has screen shots.
Oh yes, one screenshot for 299$ :)


No stress please. When you can't wait, just refund. ;)
Title: Re: FXAW
Post by: Shrike on January 05, 2012, 08:19:18 AM
Ok, it starts. I have this in my mailbox:

I am sending you this brief note to let you know that I will be fast-tracking your accesss to the FXAW forum in light of a recent heavy volume of interest by other traders extremely interested in joining FXAW, primarily due to the recent release of my new Entropy Trading System.  To be honest, the membership enrollments have been a bit overwhelming and have taxed the typical administrative routine required to activate a new member including authorizing Expert Advisors, answering all kinds of questions, sorting out issues of different email addresses used, etc.  I do not like to keep new members waiting, so I will therefore be activating forum User ID registrations immediately for those who have already registered on the forum and are waiting to gain access.

etc.
Title: Re: FXAW
Post by: Jake on January 05, 2012, 10:56:51 AM
The updated version of Entropy was to be released early this week, but is still in the pipeline.  There is a lot of other material on the site mainly about two other systems.   I am trying to get to grips with what they are and how to make them work, but it will take me a while I think. But the main thing is that people are waiting for Entropy. Patience is still a virtue!
Title: Re: FXAW
Post by: Shrike on January 05, 2012, 11:44:19 AM
My account for the forum was activated. :)
Title: Re: FXAW
Post by: disneyland on January 05, 2012, 01:52:10 PM
Just some thoughts after reviewing the forum...

1. The forum  posts are very outdated most  threads' latest post are 2-3 years or older

2. The 2 flag ship EAs although has been around for 3-4 years, theres no live statements by any members or whatsoever.
Some even reported they loose most profit after awhile.

Not many discussions on its manual indicators too.

I actually expected more from a 4 years old paid forum.

3. The entropy is not ready for download as its being upgraded or something.. the beta was fairly few weeks old with instances of disconnection to server.

I'm afraid its over-hyped, over-rated.

Let's wait  and see. i hope im wrong.

signing off for now..
Title: FXAW
Post by: e1vis on January 05, 2012, 02:48:45 PM
Just some thoughts after reviewing the forum...

1. The forum  posts are very outdated most  threads' latest post are 2-3 years or older

2. The 2 flag ship EAs although has been around for 3-4 years, theres no live statements by any members or whatsoever.
Some even reported they loose most profit after awhile.

Not many discussions on its manual indicators too.

I actually expected more from a 4 years old paid forum.

3. The entropy is not ready for download as its being upgraded or something.. the beta was fairly few weeks old with instances of disconnection to server.

I'm afraid its over-hyped, over-rated.

Let's wait  and see. i hope im wrong.

signing off for now..

Doesn't sound good :(

I'm still waiting for activation... Have you guys registered on the forum first or just sent the payment (I did the latter)?
Title: Re: FXAW
Post by: Pico on January 05, 2012, 03:07:42 PM
As a member of FXAW for the last several years, and having manually beta tested Entropy for the last 4 weeks, with astoundingly good results, I would  like to reassure members of this forum that FXAW is a very professional run and you would profit greatly by joining. If your emails are not answered immediately - please be patient - Bluto is very busy with new members as well as refining the latest version of Entropy.
Title: Re: FXAW
Post by: Shrike on January 05, 2012, 03:29:23 PM
...mmh, in the moment look's like entropy is the only interesting thing. But who knows how good is this one really. I am not sure, wait for entropy or looking to sign out...
Title: Re: FXAW
Post by: geges on January 05, 2012, 03:54:43 PM
As a member of FXAW for the last several years, and having manually beta tested Entropy for the last 4 weeks, with astoundingly good results, I would  like to reassure members of this forum that FXAW is a very professional run and you would profit greatly by joining. If your emails are not answered immediately - please be patient - Bluto is very busy with new members as well as refining the latest version of Entropy.

Well Good to hear Pico...
I joined with anticipation that what you say is the truth...
I have not been able to login yet...sent Craig a email...
I'll just be patient then

G
Title: Re: FXAW
Post by: Pico on January 05, 2012, 05:53:44 PM
To the new members from here: Read the Entropy System White Paper carefully. You will at first be overwhelmed with the amount of information that the signals produce. Ignore the lower time frames. Concentrate on the H1 H4 and D1 "clusters" of strong TSZ (turn signal zone) signals. Signal strength goes from 01 (weak) to 13(very strong). When you get a cluster of signals - for instance Bull 05, 07, 10 and 12 - It's time to enter using the TSZ high given by the signals. A stop loss is also given and three take profit points - conservative, medium and aggressive. The system is still in development, but most of the conservative TPs are hit, many of the medium TPs (I try for them) and some of the aggressive TPs are achieved. This is a swing system so you must have or will develop great patience. Today signals are not being sent as Bluto is developing the latest version, it should be available soon.
Title: Re: FXAW
Post by: Jake on January 05, 2012, 06:27:32 PM
Hi, Pico,

It is reassuring to have your comments.  While we wait for Entropy though, can you say if it is in your experience worth working with Jitterbug or Super RSI Deluxe?

Cheers.
Title: Re: FXAW
Post by: Pico on January 05, 2012, 06:42:38 PM
I haven't tried JB or Super RSI.
Title: Re: FXAW
Post by: flamenco on January 05, 2012, 07:32:14 PM
I've 'superficially' demoed those (don't really know what the heck I was doing except taking the default values) and I wasn't impressed.  I don't like Martingale systems.  I AM however willing to put my prejudges aside and learn them later.  But let me make it clear - it's very probable it was because I don't know what the hell I was doing.

In the meantime - for those of you who have joined FXAW & are waiting for the release of Entropy I strongly recommend you go onto the FXAW site and start reading Craigs ideas and thoughts on it with 'Entropy101. Introduction Part 1'.  Well worth reading while we sit patiently waiting.
Title: Re: FXAW
Post by: Pico on January 05, 2012, 07:49:58 PM
I second what flamenco says, and after demoing Entropy for several days, reread.
Title: Re: FXAW
Post by: jeffcalgary on January 05, 2012, 08:12:57 PM
Does anyone know about when the Entropy signal service will be started? 
Title: Re: FXAW
Post by: disneyland on January 05, 2012, 08:47:28 PM
let us be objective here.
Will you pay a vendor 299.00 if he has a history of creating EAs or indicators that fails?
will you pay a vendor for an EA or indicator that has only be tested for 4 weeks with no published results?
Lets put aside whether how good the programmer is ...
Lets be objective.

remember my statement here. and in 3 months time you will thank me for this and save your 299.00
Title: Re: FXAW
Post by: Pico on January 05, 2012, 09:00:29 PM
No date has been set for a signals service.
Title: Re: FXAW
Post by: geges on January 05, 2012, 11:08:00 PM
Hi

Can someone do me a favor and find out in the fxaw forum why I can't login...I changed my password twice and I get no response from my email...

  :(
Title: Re: FXAW
Post by: blutofx on January 06, 2012, 01:02:55 AM
let us be objective here.
Will you pay a vendor 299.00 if he has a history of creating EAs or indicators that fails?
will you pay a vendor for an EA or indicator that has only be tested for 4 weeks with no published results?
Lets put aside whether how good the programmer is ...
Lets be objective.

remember my statement here. and in 3 months time you will thank me for this and save your 299.00

Having had several new members from here join my forum recently who all mentioned "Donna Forex", I decided to drop by to check it out because I'd never heard of this forum although I've had my head buried in the sands of coding and development for the past couple of years.  Anyway, it's a really sharp looking place here...very comfortable with lots of people contributing and sharing ideas.  I tip my hat to Donna and I decided to register.  It's a lot of hard work and effort keeping a nice forum up and running and relevent.

Looking through the posts here about FXAW, I'm really astonished at the remarks here by Disneyland.  They seem mean-spirited for whatever reason unknown to me.  I would ask how you can make such blunt and rude statements about the state of affairs at FXAW and the prospects for success with Entropy.  It would appear that you've been a new member for maybe what...a whole day or two?  To say folks would thank you in 3 months from now for your advice is just downright silly.  Yes, let's be objective....your opinions are totally baseless, and in the real world where you can't hide behind your keyboard, it's referred to as slander.  It takes quite a bit to get me aggitated, but you my friend are simply clueless and probably an unpleasant individual to be around anyway.

I'll gladly refund your $299 no questions asked.  Just drop me a note.  You'll be the one sobbing three months from now because you blew it with your unfounded ludicrous remarks about one of the few REAL systems that actually work.  Four weeks of continuous positive performace results in the 85% + success range under both ranging and trending conditions alike, attested to by hundreds of reliable and reasonable live traders....I call that a real fluke...pure luck indeed!    ::)

Anyway, again, very nice looking forum here and I look forward to meeting and chatting with the other folks here who have a grip on reality.

Craig
Title: Re: FXAW
Post by: Byte on January 06, 2012, 09:14:04 AM
Hi Craig,
thanks for dropping by. We all believe this is a very special forum. Every now and then some discussions get a bit out of control but I would think this is how things go. Donna does a great job of keeping this under control while still not restricting the forum unnecessarily. Please hang around and do not be too agitated by comments of some individuals. Overall this is a well meaning group that has just become very critical since we have been lied to so many times. So overly critical questions result from this.
Anyway, happy new year and may pips for all of us!
Byte
Title: Re: FXAW
Post by: flamenco on January 06, 2012, 01:42:09 PM
Bluto/Craig
I second Byte's posting.  Sorry you had to come on this thread and read the negative postings by Disneyland who certainly is jumping the gun with his evaluation of you and FXWA.  I guess he expects you to be more in the vein of 'professional vendors' such as Karl Dittman and Rita Lasker and advertise hot and heavy about how good you are and producing remarkable results in order to sell membership.

The fact that you don't resemble them in the least about how you are conducting the FXWA and that you don't advertise in the usual system sellers way speaks worlds for your integrity and thoughtfulness. 

I can't wait for these 'next 3 months' to be over with as Disneyland warned.   Oooops.  Right - patience is the word here.  OK - I'll wait!  ;)
Title: Re: FXAW
Post by: aagarcia on January 06, 2012, 02:56:34 PM
Bluto/Craig
I second Byte's posting.  Sorry you had to come on this thread and read the negative postings by Disneyland who certainly is jumping the gun with his evaluation of you and FXWA.  I guess he expects you to be more in the vein of 'professional vendors' such as Karl Dittman and Rita Lasker and advertise hot and heavy about how good you are and producing remarkable results in order to sell membership.

The fact that you don't resemble them in the least about how you are conducting the FXWA and that you don't advertise in the usual system sellers way speaks worlds for your integrity and thoughtfulness. 

I can't wait for these 'next 3 months' to be over with as Disneyland warned.   Oooops.  Right - patience is the word here.  OK - I'll wait!  ;)

Forget Disneyland, go to DisneyWorld   ;)
Title: Re: FXAW
Post by: flamenco on January 10, 2012, 01:30:58 PM
An email this AM from Steve re:FXAW
Craig is still very busy with everything, new memberships and his coding Entropy.  Don't lose faith because it's late.  It'll be worth the wait I believe! ;)
New FXAW membership frustration

Sent: Tue Jan 10, 2012 1:47 am
From: SteveHopwood
To: Registered users 

Ehup guys

A number of you have pm'd me asking about progress, having sent your membership fee and hearing nothing since, so I pm'd Craig at FXAW. My pm was about a couple of thingies. This is the part of his reply that is relevant here. It confirms what I suspected:

"I'd be fibbing if I didn't admit that the sudden influx of new members hasn't kicked my arse, but it's been a good kick. The admin overhead of getting all of the new members registered and oriented has been quite a load, but I'm genuinely appreciative. I hate keeping people waiting, so the challenge has been to try and respond as quickly as possible when I get inquiries. These folks also have lots of questions as you can imagine. I've also made numerous membership "payment arrangements" such as 6 installments of $50 per month, etc. for a lot of these people who probably don't have much money to begin with."

When I am coding, I have to be firm with myself to ignore emails and pm's that will otherwise interrupt my train of thought. That is bad enough, so my imagination boggles at the amount of admin Craig is having to cope with at the moment. In your shoes, I would be going nuts with frustration. Thing is, there is only one of Craig but a heck of a lot of us; you will receive stuff asap.

I understand a fair few of you have said kind things about me. Thank you. I am touched. Thanks to all of you who have trusted my judgement and integrity.
Cheers all
Title: Re: FXAW
Post by: jeffcalgary on January 10, 2012, 08:02:49 PM
Has anyone heard even a rough idea of when Entropy 1.3 will be released?
Title: FXAW
Post by: e1vis on January 10, 2012, 08:11:00 PM
I received access to the forum a few days ago but have not received any further information at all regarding entropy...
Title: Re: FXAW
Post by: Vino_Rosso on January 10, 2012, 08:18:08 PM
I joined today, and already have access, Entropy 1.3 is out and available to download from the forum.
Title: FXAW
Post by: e1vis on January 10, 2012, 08:35:50 PM
I joined today, and already have access, Entropy 1.3 is out and available to download from the forum.
Thanks VR will check it out
Title: FXAW
Post by: daje on January 13, 2012, 07:52:03 PM
Gone a bit quiet here.. What is new member experience with Entropy 1.3? commissioning, signals etc Thanks
Title: Re: FXAW
Post by: jeffcalgary on January 14, 2012, 01:08:00 AM
I joined and am trying to understand it... it is very complex, but from what people are saying in the forum there that the accuracy is good... I just wish there was some kind of indicator that would signify on how to get into trades. 

Anyone else join up and experience any successes?
Title: Re: FXAW
Post by: Pico on January 14, 2012, 02:36:48 AM
Jeff,    That indicator is between your ears.
Title: Re: FXAW
Post by: blutofx on January 14, 2012, 06:09:59 AM
Jeff,

As a new member to the group, hang in there, take the time and read the topic posts that provide the background information on the concepts behind Entropy which I posted prior to releasing it.  Yes, there's a lot of conceptual and theoretical information there, but truly, to trade the Entropy signals, it's actually quite simple.  The Entropy application takes care of identifying the signals which are highly accurate, and the signals essentially tell you everything you need to know....the Takeprofit levels, where to place the Stop, and then the idea of the TSZ High and TSZ Low levels which define a pip range where price will perform the reversal.  Once price breaks above the TSZ High for Longs, or below the TSZ Low for Shorts, you place the trade.  Actually, you can simply place pending orders above/below these levels ahead of time.  After that, it's a matter of letting price move to the Takeprofit level you've chosen.   The "Entropy Tradebot" will be ready in a few weeks and it will trade your selected signals for you and take all of the guesswork out of things.  The nice thing about the Tradebot is that it's designed to watch what price does within the TSZ High & Low range after the signal fires, and it knows when to activate the orders for you.  As a member, the Tradebot is yours to use for autotrading if you wish, or...you can continue manual trading if you prefer as some do.   8)

I joined and am trying to understand it... it is very complex, but from what people are saying in the forum there that the accuracy is good... I just wish there was some kind of indicator that would signify on how to get into trades. 

Anyone else join up and experience any successes?
Title: Re: FXAW
Post by: GT3RS on January 14, 2012, 10:41:46 AM
I took the plunge with this one guys!!

I have to say that Craig [Bluto] is:

1. A GENIUS.

2. VERY generous.

3. Totally straight.

Sure, there is lots of information on the forum, but having taken the time to read it all, I agree with Craig that the Entropy signals are actually very straightforward to use.

It's early days for me - I only gained access to the forum 2 days ago - so I'm still reading and learning, before actually trying any of the deals which Entropy calls.

It's up to you guys if you want to join or not, but this is NOT a scam..........

HTH,

Rob
Title: Re: FXAW
Post by: Ree on January 14, 2012, 11:07:14 AM
We have to wait for 1.5 version release, it will be EA included with it. So far, Daily signals were just amazing, with short SL, and a few hundreds pips of take profit, risk-reward rate is looking very very good. And I must agree with other posters, Bluto is a nice guy, very helpful and polite.
Title: Re: FXAW
Post by: jurne on January 14, 2012, 11:30:23 AM
Hi,

This looks interesting. Can i know how to join this FXAW?
Title: Re: FXAW
Post by: petersurrey on January 14, 2012, 01:55:25 PM
..looks very good at first site - how man open positions does it open at each level for each pair - I just wonder how it controls overall risk when managed by a bot..have to join the forum I guess :) With over 1000 already trying this out will there also be any limits to the release numbers..
Title: Re: FXAW
Post by: petersurrey on January 14, 2012, 04:49:19 PM
Hi,

This looks interesting. Can i know how to join this FXAW?

jurne - details in members invitation pdf first post of thread.
Title: Re: FXAW
Post by: STIJN555 on January 15, 2012, 11:24:59 PM
Took the plunge also.
I'm very currious.
Title: Re: FXAW
Post by: Redbaron517 on January 17, 2012, 08:43:09 PM
Hi all,
I joined on the 14th. How long before I will get acess to the forum?
Title: Re: FXAW
Post by: ablanchi on January 17, 2012, 08:57:39 PM
Someone know how will be the fees for the entropy signals only?
Title: FXAW
Post by: e1vis on January 17, 2012, 09:30:02 PM
Someone know how will be the fees for the entropy signals only?

Hasn't been announced yet
Title: Re: FXAW
Post by: STIJN555 on January 17, 2012, 10:34:52 PM
Hi all,
I joined on the 14th. How long before I will get acess to the forum?
I joined the 15th; still waiting for activation.
Will be soon I think.
Title: Re: FXAW
Post by: STIJN555 on January 18, 2012, 01:05:06 AM
How is exerience with entropy going so far???
anyone??
Title: Re: FXAW
Post by: e1vis on January 18, 2012, 01:11:09 AM
How is exerience with entropy going so far???
anyone??

I am waiting for the beta issues to be sorted out and the trade client to be released before jumping in.
Title: Re: FXAW
Post by: STIJN555 on January 18, 2012, 07:55:05 PM
And still waiting......   :(
Title: Re: FXAW
Post by: sponn on January 18, 2012, 08:10:57 PM
It takes 3 days to one week. But have you registered on forum ? You should register and then Bluto can activate your account.
Title: Re: FXAW
Post by: STIJN555 on January 19, 2012, 01:28:49 AM
yes, I registered the same day.
Title: Re: FXAW
Post by: Sidekickeh on January 19, 2012, 07:39:11 AM
Is this ready in an actual EA format yet? Or is only trade signals? Can someone explain? I can't seem to find the answer to this anywhere? Is this a hands free EA? Or a signal generator you need to trade manually based off of signals? thx
Title: Re: FXAW
Post by: daje on January 19, 2012, 08:03:31 AM
I signed up about three days ago. The setup process is relatively easy. You are the introduced to the FXAW forum, where all is revealed amogst the posts. Admittedly, you have to be a bit of a sleuth to find your way around, but I placed my first trade today, a EURCHF with D1,D10, and D12 on the H4 chart, buy at 1.2832 tp at 1.21110. Trade running now at b/e.
The Auto EA tradebot is 'several weeks away' so for now you are only working with the 'thin' entropy v1.3 server signal client. The 'fat'  (on board PC signal generator) client is at least as far away as the tradebot.
My impressions of FXAW are that my expectations are exceeded. Craig Sholtz is a very talented guy: runs everything, even builds the software in addition to operating the business of a commercial EA. The forum is great in terms of support. It follows this is not your usual bot in a box offering, but a more complete experience that will appeal to quants and people who like to 'work with' the trades.
Craig has over 1000 signed members but i notice about 500 have downloaded the v1.3 client. V1.3 works well on my PC, but its somewhat raw as an interface and apparently v1.4 will be released shortly with many improvements.
Hope that helps.
Title: Re: FXAW
Post by: Sidekickeh on January 19, 2012, 08:20:55 AM
thx daje. very helpfull.
Title: Re: FXAW
Post by: jeffcalgary on January 19, 2012, 05:58:50 PM
I signed up about three days ago. The setup process is relatively easy. You are the introduced to the FXAW forum, where all is revealed amogst the posts. Admittedly, you have to be a bit of a sleuth to find your way around, but I placed my first trade today, a EURCHF with D1,D10, and D12 on the H4 chart, buy at 1.2832 tp at 1.21110. Trade running now at b/e.
The Auto EA tradebot is 'several weeks away' so for now you are only working with the 'thin' entropy v1.3 server signal client. The 'fat'  (on board PC signal generator) client is at least as far away as the tradebot.
My impressions of FXAW are that my expectations are exceeded. Craig Sholtz is a very talented guy: runs everything, even builds the software in addition to operating the business of a commercial EA. The forum is great in terms of support. It follows this is not your usual bot in a box offering, but a more complete experience that will appeal to quants and people who like to 'work with' the trades.
Craig has over 1000 signed members but i notice about 500 have downloaded the v1.3 client. V1.3 works well on my PC, but its somewhat raw as an interface and apparently v1.4 will be released shortly with many improvements.
Hope that helps.

Yes, I am finding 1.3 is very heavy on my system, and I regularly get errors every day about files that cannot be found and others have experienced as well  Apparently 1.4 will run better and fix these issues.
My big problem is that everyone seems to have a differing idea on what constitutes a signal for an entry.  I have read some posts where they only look for zone signals where it is 4hr or daily, and several of them.  I have read others look for a signal strength being over 10.  I really think this needs to be a lot clearer.  Everyone's results are going to be so dramaitcally different if there is so much flexibility in the entry criteria.  For me, I found that there was a good extry point for GBPAUD 2 days ago because we had 4 4hr signals.  Yesterday, USDCAD had a couple 4 hr signals.  I just wish the criteria was clearer.  How does the robot work I wonder?  Does it look for 4hr and daily zone indications primarily?  Or does it look into the lower timeframes?  Or both? 
Title: Re: FXAW
Post by: jubal on January 19, 2012, 06:14:35 PM
Quote
How does the robot work I wonder?  Does it look for 4hr and daily zone indications primarily?  Or does it look into the lower timeframes?  Or both?

Good point. As it seems entering a trade is very subjective, 10 people may enter @ 10 different times, or even not at all. How they convert this subjectivity to a robot God only knows. You may well find the robot doesnt perform near as well as manual trading
Title: Re: FXAW
Post by: jeffcalgary on January 19, 2012, 08:02:04 PM
Quote
How does the robot work I wonder?  Does it look for 4hr and daily zone indications primarily?  Or does it look into the lower timeframes?  Or both?

Good point. As it seems entering a trade is very subjective, 10 people may enter @ 10 different times, or even not at all. How they convert this subjectivity to a robot God only knows. You may well find the robot doesnt perform near as well as manual trading

I would like to find a method of interpreting the signals to make a valid decision on a trade to place, and where to place the pending order for that trade.  So far, even after reading all the threads, it is still not clear at all.

What I think should be developed is a description that says exactly what we should be looking for and what  to do when we see it.  The 101 tutorial was not clear enough either.
Title: FXAW
Post by: e1vis on January 19, 2012, 08:22:23 PM
Quote
How does the robot work I wonder?  Does it look for 4hr and daily zone indications primarily?  Or does it look into the lower timeframes?  Or both?

Good point. As it seems entering a trade is very subjective, 10 people may enter @ 10 different times, or even not at all. How they convert this subjectivity to a robot God only knows. You may well find the robot doesnt perform near as well as manual trading

As I understand it there will be numerous criteria and filters for which trades/pairs/timeframes you want it to take.
Title: Re: FXAW
Post by: GT3RS on January 19, 2012, 08:27:59 PM
Guys, I think it's pretty self explanatory about when to take the deals.

Craig's explanation is clear with regard to the number of signals and how many need to be high vectors.

Of course, different people have come up with different criteria.

Personally, I'm looking for at least 1 high vector, with a minimum of 4 signals at the same time.

I then take the deal based on the figures given for the signal with the highest vector.

I'm trading H4 and D1 only.

The forum is a little complicated to navigate, but take your time and have a good read. It's all there!!

I have suggested a new thread each day so that we talk specifically about the signals generated on that day in that thread to help keep things tidy.

Craig said he will incorporate that, along with some other changes to the website.

This is an amazing tool, but, as with anything, it needs an investment of time in order to fully understand/get the best from it.

Hope that helps!!

Title: Re: FXAW
Post by: daje on January 19, 2012, 08:31:01 PM
Quote
How does the robot work I wonder?  Does it look for 4hr and daily zone indications primarily?  Or does it look into the lower timeframes?  Or both?

Good point. As it seems entering a trade is very subjective, 10 people may enter @ 10 different times, or even not at all. How they convert this subjectivity to a robot God only knows. You may well find the robot doesnt perform near as well as manual trading

I would like to find a method of interpreting the signals to make a valid decision on a trade to place, and where to place the pending order for that trade.  So far, even after reading all the threads, it is still not clear at all.

What I think should be developed is a description that says exactly what we should be looking for and what  to do when we see it.  The 101 tutorial was not clear enough either.


I agree the trade plans are not crystal clear. Craig aka Bluto does have several descriptors of trade plans, one is the white paper NZDJPY trade. For a good H1 method, check the EURCAD thread in the forum.
The instructions are in brief to start: stick with H4 signals vectors 1-4 also 5-13, with other strong vectors appearing in the lower time frames at or around the same time, work with given trade zones and TPs.
Bluto has said high success rate is with H4 and D1 timeframes. The H1 timeframe is not as trustworthy for signals, but can be used with an applied method. Even M30 and M15 signals provide useful info. From what I see the more stronger vectors appearing around the same time as very good H4 signals presents a trade opp. From there recognise the TZs and your own entry rules will apply.
I dont mean to sound like an expert, cause Ive just started FXAW. But this EA wont be appropriate for users with many questions that appear to be addressed in standard user instructions.
Anyone who writes an indicator based on particle physics, if you buy their EA, just trust them, many others have.
Recommend new users wait for the trade bot if you want to set up an EA that auto trades. Dont buy this system if you want to see under the hood. Its a car, drive it.

Just seen your post GT3RS, agree.
Title: Re: FXAW
Post by: petersurrey on January 19, 2012, 10:52:40 PM
I signed up about three days ago. The setup process is relatively easy. You are the introduced to the FXAW forum, where all is revealed amogst the posts. Admittedly, you have to be a bit of a sleuth to find your way around, but I placed my first trade today, a EURCHF with D1,D10, and D12 on the H4 chart, buy at 1.2832 tp at 1.21110. Trade running now at b/e.
The Auto EA tradebot is 'several weeks away' so for now you are only working with the 'thin' entropy v1.3 server signal client. The 'fat'  (on board PC signal generator) client is at least as far away as the tradebot.
My impressions of FXAW are that my expectations are exceeded. Craig Sholtz is a very talented guy: runs everything, even builds the software in addition to operating the business of a commercial EA. The forum is great in terms of support. It follows this is not your usual bot in a box offering, but a more complete experience that will appeal to quants and people who like to 'work with' the trades.
Craig has over 1000 signed members but i notice about 500 have downloaded the v1.3 client. V1.3 works well on my PC, but its somewhat raw as an interface and apparently v1.4 will be released shortly with many improvements.
Hope that helps.

Yes, I am finding 1.3 is very heavy on my system, and I regularly get errors every day about files that cannot be found and others have experienced as well  Apparently 1.4 will run better and fix these issues.
My big problem is that everyone seems to have a differing idea on what constitutes a signal for an entry.  I have read some posts where they only look for zone signals where it is 4hr or daily, and several of them.  I have read others look for a signal strength being over 10.  I really think this needs to be a lot clearer.  Everyone's results are going to be so dramaitcally different if there is so much flexibility in the entry criteria.  For me, I found that there was a good extry point for GBPAUD 2 days ago because we had 4 4hr signals.  Yesterday, USDCAD had a couple 4 hr signals.  I just wish the criteria was clearer.  How does the robot work I wonder?  Does it look for 4hr and daily zone indications primarily?  Or does it look into the lower timeframes?  Or both?

The FXAW forum does take a little bit of navigation to find the right thread, but overall excellent, and so far I have only seen winning trades on the higher time frames H4 and D1 using high TSZ entry values.

Regarding the trade entries, there are essentially 2 schools of thought;  the first is the default entries as explained very clearly by Craig on the forum, whereby you place a pending order at the TSZ high or low and wait for the price to break that for entry; which helps to filter out false entries.

The second method is enter trailing pending order entries, so that as the price moves away from the TSZ high/low entry price you ,say, enter 2 or 3 trades expecting the price to pull back in your favour, potentially making many more pips.

The stop is usually places around the opposite TSZ high or low. There is no doubt that Craig is a very talented and passionate programmer and hopefully we should see the bot soon..it will surely be worth the wait..

I am going to wait for the bot or better version of the fat client, as the current version does have memory issues even though the trades to date appear excellent.
Title: Re: FXAW
Post by: reinerh on January 19, 2012, 11:31:03 PM
so how were the signals this week, the ones generated on lets say h4 ???

reason i am asking this specific question................

this week virtually all bots took a good beating since most all pairs did move in a way which was the opposite what they should have done. even manual systems i am following took a major hit as well, and we all know markets always change, but this week was the most warped i have ever seen.

if the signals mastered this week, then bluto is truly on the something, thats all i can say.

so how was this week guys ???
Title: Re: FXAW
Post by: STIJN555 on January 20, 2012, 02:05:03 AM
OMG, I am not good at waiting that's for sure  :)
Every 5 min. I check my mail  :D
Title: Re: FXAW
Post by: daje on January 20, 2012, 02:19:19 AM
so how were the signals this week, the ones generated on lets say h4 ???

reason i am asking this specific question................

this week virtually all bots took a good beating since most all pairs did move in a way which was the opposite what they should have done. even manual systems i am following took a major hit as well, and we all know markets always change, but this week was the most warped i have ever seen.

if the signals mastered this week, then bluto is truly on the something, thats all i can say.

so how was this week guys ???


This is my second day trading this system. Of 5 only 4 hour signal sets recorded by my Entropy client I traded just one EURCHF yesterday now +5 pips. TP of 27 pips.

Dont take much notice of the above, as I expect busier times as well as quiet times.

Perhaps one decent H4 setup a day (amongst 26 pairs) could be expected?? Not sure until more time passes. Anyone else?

Warped market? Cant really comment in the FXAW context.

If you like more action then study an H1 strategy, but this is not for me as a beginner.
Title: Re: FXAW
Post by: Pico on January 20, 2012, 02:49:09 AM
reinerh,        I demoed the Entropy signals very successfully in December and the first week in January. Due to my work load I have not traded this week but I have paid close attention to the forum. I see nothing about any trades taking a hit by the market reversing against them. Several members have done very well this week.
Title: Re: FXAW
Post by: reinerh on January 20, 2012, 03:45:48 AM
reinerh,        I demoed the Entropy signals very successfully in December and the first week in January. Due to my work load I have not traded this week but I have paid close attention to the forum. I see nothing about any trades taking a hit by the market reversing against them. Several members have done very well this week.

thx pico, i had a hunch that it did well.

will have to give that one a go i guess :)
Title: Re: FXAW
Post by: GT3RS on January 20, 2012, 07:20:46 AM
3 deals for me this week.

EURCAD long for 58 pips.

GBPNZD long for 77 pips.

NZDJPY long - still in this deal, currently at around +20 pips.

Funnily enough, all deals were on crosses............. something I would NEVER trade normally!

These are ALL H4 deals. I am not interested in lower timeframes.

Guys. Take your time. Read the info on the FXAW forum. I got my access a week ago, and now feel I have a pretty good handle on it all. Just be patient and take your time!

Good luck chaps!  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: FXAW
Post by: jeffcalgary on January 20, 2012, 03:25:49 PM
3 deals for me this week.

EURCAD long for 58 pips.

GBPNZD long for 77 pips.

NZDJPY long - still in this deal, currently at around +20 pips.

Funnily enough, all deals were on crosses............. something I would NEVER trade normally!

These are ALL H4 deals. I am not interested in lower timeframes.

Guys. Take your time. Read the info on the FXAW forum. I got my access a week ago, and now feel I have a pretty good handle on it all. Just be patient and take your time!

Good luck chaps!  ;D ;D ;D

Great work!  Still trying to wrap my head around determining the entries and I have gone through all the material.  Don't know why this system is stumping me as I pick up on this stuff pretty quick usually. 

So for these trades, did you filter for 4hr on the entrapy application looking for 4hr records with good strength rating?

How did you determine your entry point?  Did you use the conservative TP?

What tutorial did you find helped you the most in learning how to determine the entries?

Thanks very much!
Title: Re: FXAW
Post by: GT3RS on January 20, 2012, 03:38:41 PM
Hi Jeff,

I'm just looking at H4 signals.

I want at least 4 of them to fire off.

At least one of them must be a high vector.

Then I use the one with the highest vector to place my order.

Simples!!

 8)
Title: Re: FXAW
Post by: jeffcalgary on January 20, 2012, 04:15:44 PM
Hi Jeff,

I'm just looking at H4 signals.

I want at least 4 of them to fire off.

At least one of them must be a high vector.

Then I use the one with the highest vector to place my order.

Simples!!

 8)

Ok, this is what I had thought.  But then you have other people say that they are looking into the lower timeframe for vector confirmation... so that is not correct, you should just filter the 4 hr, and look for 4hr signals that have high strength.  That is what has made this so confusing is that everyone seems to have their own ideas on how to make it work.
I believe Michael on the forum over there does the same thing.  He said that he just looks for the existance of the 4 signal, and if he gets 3 or 4, he will place the trade regardless of the strength.
Have you been using conservative TP?

Thanks!
Title: Re: FXAW
Post by: GT3RS on January 20, 2012, 04:19:54 PM
Looking for confirmation on a LOWER timeframe just doesn't make sense to me!

Yes, using conservative targets, but often the otherwise do get hit.

I am going to start to record some stats on this, starting next week....


Title: Re: FXAW
Post by: jeffcalgary on January 20, 2012, 07:05:32 PM
Looking for confirmation on a LOWER timeframe just doesn't make sense to me!

Yes, using conservative targets, but often the otherwise do get hit.

I am going to start to record some stats on this, starting next week....

Do you only use the H4 filter to determine, or do you also use the D1?  Is there a certain value you are looking for for strength?  like 7 and above in the 4hr?

Thanks!
Title: Re: FXAW
Post by: flamenco on January 21, 2012, 02:27:13 AM
For those of you now using Bluto's manual Entropy (or his other EA's) and patiently waiting for his release of the full blown EA - here's a neat little non-intrusive indicator to put on each chart pair.  Keeps track of each pairs profits which is neat.  If you like it pop me a rep!    :-*
Title: Re: FXAW
Post by: odysseus11 on January 21, 2012, 02:47:17 AM
You guys need to all realize that Entropy is still in raw beta form - it isnt really MEANT to even have the signals TRADED yet, and certainly not on a live account. So the discussions on how to interpret the signals is very much a going-to-be-going-away issue very soon as the actual tradebot EA comes on line. Which will be soon I hope. I personally love the signals, and on demo am profitable trading them, but in their current broadcasting form (the home-made IM application), it is just very tough to follow them and manage them, even on the H4 and D1 (which is all I want to trade anyway). I keep getting chat client diconnects and freezes and drops, and there is no alerting, so I literally miss half the signals until they are sometimes fairly old and either well in progress or missed entirely - so I am looking forward to the actual tradebot, to say the least. Also, the tradebot will have functionality to intelligently trail stops and lock profits, and allow us to pick and choose signals specifying our own ranges of acceptable R:R and TF/symbol/all kinds of stuff.

This is a long-winded way of saying "dont judge Entropy yet, this stuff, as exciting as the signals are, is just an appetizer. The main course is cooking!"


Looking for confirmation on a LOWER timeframe just doesn't make sense to me!

Yes, using conservative targets, but often the otherwise do get hit.

I am going to start to record some stats on this, starting next week....

Do you only use the H4 filter to determine, or do you also use the D1?  Is there a certain value you are looking for for strength?  like 7 and above in the 4hr?

Thanks!
Title: Re: FXAW
Post by: daje on January 21, 2012, 08:00:53 AM
For first trades: trader will set an entry just outside TZ of strongest vector and recommended stop after three vectors are signalled in H4, one being >=10. Thats simple enough, and very bit as risky as starting on a new EA. Looking around, there are plenty of reasons not to be seduced by the ease of an EA with all the bells and whistles. So what is more risky?

Craig has stated the signals themselves are rock solid, and wont change any further. Its the conduit to the trader that requires further construction. As far as the Entropy 1.3 platform is concerned, I have run this for 4 to 5 hours without trouble, then it slows, and sends itnermittent error reports. In saying that, the signals themselves are fine, and tradable. Just ask those making pips!

V1.4 signal client to be much better, release of this will be in the next days. In the forum Bluto has said the tradebot is several weeks away.

The appeal with this system is that there are good r/r set ups. Also lots of scope to tailor your own methods, so I dont agree that the issue of interest in interpreation of signals will go away Odyessus, but the tradebot will serve to set things up for automatic trades.


Title: Re: FXAW
Post by: STIJN555 on January 21, 2012, 10:41:09 PM
Yes,yes;
I'm activated  :)  :)  :)
It took 6 days but he has allot of work to do.
So for future members be patience (it will all be fine).
I will study entropy and will start trading with it the  next weeks.
Will report how it goes from here.
Title: Re: FXAW
Post by: fxfun on January 22, 2012, 04:13:26 AM
For anyone who is a member--is Entropy the best trading system Craig has? I noticed he also has EA's called Jitterbug Duplex and Super RSI. Thanks for any feedback.
Title: Re: FXAW
Post by: odysseus11 on January 22, 2012, 05:11:23 AM
the other ea's have not been actively developed for years, literally.
All eyes are on Entropy.

The older EAs were what caused me to join FXAW a couple years ago, but I will be fully honest, I never really got great results with any of them. Although head and shoulders above most commercial EA sold, they still were dogs with fleas.

Entropy to me is an absolute evolution.
Title: Re: FXAW
Post by: fxfun on January 22, 2012, 05:58:26 AM
the other ea's have not been actively developed for years, literally.
All eyes are on Entropy.

The older EAs were what caused me to join FXAW a couple years ago, but I will be fully honest, I never really got great results with any of them. Although head and shoulders above most commercial EA sold, they still were dogs with fleas.

Entropy to me is an absolute evolution.

Sounds great odysseus! Thank you very much for the reply and information :)
Title: Re: FXAW
Post by: flamenco on January 22, 2012, 12:01:05 PM
I noticed this thread went from 5 stars to 3 stars overnight - which means someone rated it as a scam (1 star).  Why?  Please come out of hiding and tell us (with proof) why you have determined that this is all a scam!  >:(
Title: Re: FXAW
Post by: petersurrey on January 22, 2012, 12:36:10 PM
I noticed this thread went from 5 stars to 3 stars overnight - which means someone rated it as a scam (1 star).  Why?  Please come out of hiding and tell us (with proof) why you have determined that this is all a scam!  >:(

The FXAW site will not appeal to those looking for the instant gratification of other bot sites which ply the gullible with false promises and instant downloads.It does require a bit of extra effort to get to grips with a very new concept. I guess someone was expecting an all singing and dancing instant solution, and was disappointed to find it was still a few weeks away, if that. For those who have been in the FXAW forum and waiting a few years this is not an issue.
Title: Re: FXAW
Post by: flamenco on January 22, 2012, 11:08:22 PM
Peter.  Thank you for your thoughtful response to my post, and I rep'd you for it.   My reason for posting was to see if the idiot/or just impatient poster would have the courage to personally come out of the woodwork and justify his reasoning.

There has been a few times where a new poster has been suspected of being associated or connected with a particular vendor.  This is one of the weak points about Donna's rating system.  A competitive vendor can come on a thread and slam the strategy or EA.  Of course likewise, a vendor can also rate his system or EA as 5 stars.

Again - I ask the person who rated Entropy 1 star to publicly state WHY!  He/she may have had some knowledge no one else knows about that could be important and not just impatience in waiting for the EA to be released.
Title: Re: FXAW
Post by: STIJN555 on January 22, 2012, 11:17:32 PM
Peter.  Thank you for your thoughtful response to my post, and I rep'd you for it.   My reason for posting was to see if the idiot/or just impatient poster would have the courage to personally come out of the woodwork and justify his reasoning.

There has been a few times where a new poster has been suspected of being associated or connected with a particular vendor.  This is one of the weak points about Donna's rating system.  A competitive vendor can come on a thread and slam the strategy or EA.  Of course likewise, a vendor can also rate his system or EA as 5 stars.

Again - I ask the person who rated Entropy 1 star to publicly state WHY!  He/she may have had some knowledge no one else knows about that could be important and not just impatience in waiting for the EA to be released.
Ask donna,
everything is public here so no reason why she won't tell us, right?
Title: Re: FXAW
Post by: Pico on January 22, 2012, 11:21:37 PM
Maybe it was the person on the FXAW forum who was wondering why he made only 200 pips last week when others made 800 to 900.
Title: Re: FXAW
Post by: STIJN555 on January 22, 2012, 11:23:43 PM
Peter.  Thank you for your thoughtful response to my post, and I rep'd you for it.   My reason for posting was to see if the idiot/or just impatient poster would have the courage to personally come out of the woodwork and justify his reasoning.

There has been a few times where a new poster has been suspected of being associated or connected with a particular vendor.  This is one of the weak points about Donna's rating system.  A competitive vendor can come on a thread and slam the strategy or EA.  Of course likewise, a vendor can also rate his system or EA as 5 stars.

Again - I ask the person who rated Entropy 1 star to publicly state WHY!  He/she may have had some knowledge no one else knows about that could be important and not just impatience in waiting for the EA to be released.
Ask donna,
everything is public here so no reason why she won't tell us, right?
Don't get me wrong, the person that rated 1 star has every right to do so.
But a bit of explanation would be welcome.
Title: Re: FXAW
Post by: fxbabe on January 23, 2012, 01:43:59 AM
Peter.  Thank you for your thoughtful response to my post, and I rep'd you for it.   My reason for posting was to see if the idiot/or just impatient poster would have the courage to personally come out of the woodwork and justify his reasoning.

There has been a few times where a new poster has been suspected of being associated or connected with a particular vendor.  This is one of the weak points about Donna's rating system.  A competitive vendor can come on a thread and slam the strategy or EA.  Of course likewise, a vendor can also rate his system or EA as 5 stars.

Again - I ask the person who rated Entropy 1 star to publicly state WHY!  He/she may have had some knowledge no one else knows about that could be important and not just impatience in waiting for the EA to be released.
Ask donna,
everything is public here so no reason why she won't tell us, right?
Don't get me wrong, the person that rated 1 star has every right to do so.
But a bit of explanation would be welcome.

One bad vote would not greatly effect the rating if a lot of people vote 5 stars?
Title: Re: FXAW
Post by: jubal on January 23, 2012, 04:07:01 AM
Not sure what all the fuss is about concerning the star rating?? What does it really matter. It doesnt necessarily mean 1 person rated the topic as 1 star just because ratings jumped up overnight. The ratings work purely on average, so for example if there was only one vote, say for 5 stars then the topic would have a 5 star rating. If someone else then voted it 1 star then it would average to 3 stars etc etc.  So in theory there could have been a lot of 1,2,3 star ratings only, then overnight a LOT of people may have voted 5 stars to bring it up. Unlikely but you get my drift. Anyway another problem is peoples reasoning in voting. Some people vote for the product but it is also the case where people are actually voting for the topic itself, rather than the product. They may feel that the product may not be good but the topic may have a high level of discussion and interesting information.  Just my thoughts anyway
Title: Re: FXAW
Post by: jeffcalgary on January 23, 2012, 04:34:59 PM
Anyone hear about the release date for 1.4 yet?  I am hoping the excel export fix is included in that version to include the symbol name.
Title: Re: FXAW
Post by: aagarcia on January 23, 2012, 07:43:59 PM
Not sure what all the fuss is about concerning the star rating?? What does it really matter. It doesnt necessarily mean 1 person rated the topic as 1 star just because ratings jumped up overnight. The ratings work purely on average, so for example if there was only one vote, say for 5 stars then the topic would have a 5 star rating. If someone else then voted it 1 star then it would average to 3 stars etc etc.  So in theory there could have been a lot of 1,2,3 star ratings only, then overnight a LOT of people may have voted 5 stars to bring it up. Unlikely but you get my drift. Anyway another problem is peoples reasoning in voting. Some people vote for the product but it is also the case where people are actually voting for the topic itself, rather than the product. They may feel that the product may not be good but the topic may have a high level of discussion and interesting information.  Just my thoughts anyway

I know relax.  My god such silly stuff to get hung on.  I never look at the stars and just read the posts and come to my own conclusions.  Relax........
Title: Re: FXAW
Post by: STIJN555 on January 24, 2012, 12:46:55 PM
Does anybody know a good MM calc. (tool).
Because now I have to do everything manualy.
for example : if the market tells me my stop should be 71 pips and I wanna risk 2% of my balance, the tool should tell me instant how manny lots to enter.
There must be such tool outthere but don't know where  :D
Please some help about this, this would make my trading allot easyer.
Title: FXAW
Post by: greenfield on January 24, 2012, 12:57:16 PM
Does anybody know a good MM calc. (tool)...................


This may do the trick -
http://www.forexcalc.com/ (http://www.forexcalc.com/)
Title: Re: FXAW
Post by: STIJN555 on January 24, 2012, 12:58:55 PM
Does anybody know a good MM calc. (tool)...................


This may do the trick -
http://www.forexcalc.com/ (http://www.forexcalc.com/)
Thank you very much.
Title: Re: FXAW
Post by: GT3RS on January 24, 2012, 01:02:27 PM
Does anybody know a good MM calc. (tool).
Because now I have to do everything manualy.
for example : if the market tells me my stop should be 71 pips and I wanna risk 2% of my balance, the tool should tell me instant how manny lots to enter.
There must be such tool outthere but don't know where  :D
Please some help about this, this would make my trading allot easyer.

Why not just try 1 lot per $10,000?

So for a $3,000 account, you trade 0.3 lots.

$1,700 account, 1.7 lots.

Etc etc..........................
Title: Re: FXAW
Post by: STIJN555 on January 24, 2012, 01:14:29 PM
Does anybody know a good MM calc. (tool).
Because now I have to do everything manualy.
for example : if the market tells me my stop should be 71 pips and I wanna risk 2% of my balance, the tool should tell me instant how manny lots to enter.
There must be such tool outthere but don't know where  :D
Please some help about this, this would make my trading allot easyer.

Why not just try 1 lot per $10,000?

So for a $3,000 account, you trade 0.3 lots.

$1,700 account, 1.7 lots.

Etc etc..........................
I know but I want to be more preciese
Title: Re: FXAW
Post by: geges on January 24, 2012, 01:29:38 PM
I heard that the ddsmm model is the way to go for money mgmt
Title: Re: FXAW
Post by: STIJN555 on January 24, 2012, 06:57:29 PM
What do you guys do when you got these signals;
Eur/Usd m5      Bear-02
Eur/Usd m15    Bear-05
Eur/Usd m30    Bear-05
Eur/Usd H4       Bull-01
Eur/Usd H4       Bull-07

All on the same time.
Title: Re: FXAW
Post by: GT3RS on January 24, 2012, 07:33:34 PM
What do you guys do when you got these signals;
Eur/Usd m5      Bear-02
Eur/Usd m15    Bear-05
Eur/Usd m30    Bear-05
Eur/Usd H4       Bull-01
Eur/Usd H4       Bull-07

All on the same time.

Personally, I'd do nothing.

Have you read up on how Craig has explained how to trade Entropy signals?
Title: Re: FXAW
Post by: STIJN555 on January 24, 2012, 07:37:16 PM
What do you guys do when you got these signals;
Eur/Usd m5      Bear-02
Eur/Usd m15    Bear-05
Eur/Usd m30    Bear-05
Eur/Usd H4       Bull-01
Eur/Usd H4       Bull-07

All on the same time.

Personally, I'd do nothing.

Have you read up on how Craig has explained how to trade Entropy signals?
Yes I do beginning to understand how to trade them and must say, I've got good succes with them.
I prefer the 4H and the D1 signals.
But sometimes the signals speak against each other, like I posted.
Title: Re: FXAW
Post by: jubal on January 24, 2012, 07:44:57 PM
Quote
But sometimes the signals speak against each other, like I posted.

Think you answered your own question ;)
Title: Re: FXAW
Post by: STIJN555 on January 24, 2012, 07:55:59 PM
Quote
But sometimes the signals speak against each other, like I posted.

Think you answered your own question ;)
;D Ahh yes  ;D
But I find it hard to get a good H4 signal and must let it go because other timeframes
are not supporting it.
But that being said, there are allot of other signals  ;)
Yesterday I took the GBP/CAD 4H signal and the USD/CHF D1 signal.
If you look at your charts you know that I'm not complaining  :)
Other signals hit the stop loss but you can't have them all é.
Title: Re: FXAW
Post by: STIJN555 on January 24, 2012, 08:08:08 PM
There are some indicators I like to have.
Magnified spread indicator and
a timer for the close of a candle.
If someone could help me with that   :-*
Title: Re: FXAW
Post by: jshear on January 24, 2012, 08:48:50 PM
Here you go!!


Enjoy!!

Jeff :)
Title: Re: FXAW
Post by: reinerh on January 24, 2012, 09:52:02 PM
STIJN555,

have you been able to be profitable on a weekly basis yet ??

demo or live, does not matter.
Title: Re: FXAW
Post by: STIJN555 on January 25, 2012, 01:05:38 AM
Here you go!!


Enjoy!!

Jeff :)
Thank you very much, rep.
given.
Title: Re: FXAW
Post by: STIJN555 on January 25, 2012, 01:17:41 AM
STIJN555,

have you been able to be profitable on a weekly basis yet ??

demo or live, does not matter.

Well must say, this is my third day am I using this.
So I am realy not in a position to say yes it works or no it don't.
Also I'm still learning how to use it, it isn't difficult but you sort of filter the signals yourself
wich you use and wich you don't.
Lets say I'm playing with it for now, what works and what not.
I took some profetable trades but also some losers (like I said still testing) what goes and what not.
When I got some more experience with it, I will post my findings.
Its all offcorse still in Demo, as I am testing it.
I will concentrate on the 4H and the D1 signals, because these are the ones I prefere.
I think personaly if you are a scalper, this is not the tool for you.
But like I said, still testing.  ;)
Title: Re: FXAW
Post by: Pico on January 25, 2012, 02:02:24 AM
Keep with the H4 and D1 signals with the "cluster" of high strength vectors and allow them to run and you will do very well.
Title: Re: FXAW
Post by: jamestan1978 on January 25, 2012, 02:06:22 AM
Hi Pico,
what if we enter the high as pending and a new signal appears to have a higher number instead? so we add to the order or remove that order and replace a new one?
Title: Re: FXAW
Post by: reinerh on January 25, 2012, 03:18:34 AM
STIJN555,

have you been able to be profitable on a weekly basis yet ??

demo or live, does not matter.

Well must say, this is my third day am I using this.
So I am realy not in a position to say yes it works or no it don't.
Also I'm still learning how to use it, it isn't difficult but you sort of filter the signals yourself
wich you use and wich you don't.
Lets say I'm playing with it for now, what works and what not.
I took some profetable trades but also some losers (like I said still testing) what goes and what not.
When I got some more experience with it, I will post my findings.
Its all offcorse still in Demo, as I am testing it.
I will concentrate on the 4H and the D1 signals, because these are the ones I prefere.
I think personaly if you are a scalper, this is not the tool for you.
But like I said, still testing.  ;)

thx for the update and please keep us posted. i been following this closely and might take the plunge once the bugs are worked out a bit more.

green pips to ya, even if they are only demo ones :)
Title: Re: FXAW
Post by: Byte on January 25, 2012, 04:02:32 AM
Just Out of curiosity, why are you discussing how to trade the signals here rather than on Craig's board?
Title: Re: FXAW
Post by: STIJN555 on January 25, 2012, 04:13:13 AM
Just Out of curiosity, why are you discussing how to trade the signals here rather than on Craig's board?
If you should have read the thread, then you know that its not about the signals but about that the service is profetable.
First of all, I am not discussing the signals specific.
They mearly ask me of that the service is profitable.
If someone is discussing the signals specific then
you are totaly right, this should not be done here but in the forum of FXAW.
Also, there isn't any expert advisor yet; so this thread should probably be in the "signals service" section.
Title: Re: FXAW
Post by: jamestan1978 on January 25, 2012, 04:55:49 AM
Hi Byte
Actually it's a good idea to discuss how to use the signal here since many of us know each other well and has been around here for awhile. I see nothing wrong discussing how to use the signals here also there's no way anyone can give signals here for free reason being there's certain levels of discretion when taking signals ...

Just Out of curiosity, why are you discussing how to trade the signals here rather than on Craig's board?
Title: Re: FXAW
Post by: Byte on January 25, 2012, 10:30:08 AM
@STIJN555: I read the thread and I know how it started but I also know that more is discussed

But to the point: I did not mean to say that this is a bad thing - I did notice that nobody disclosed the actual signals. I just thought, that there are more experts with experience with the signals on Craig's forum. But if this makes you guys happier, please go on.
Title: Re: FXAW
Post by: jubal on January 25, 2012, 10:48:06 AM
@STIJN555: I read the thread and I know how it started but I also know that more is discussed

But to the point: I did not mean to say that this is a bad thing - I did notice that nobody disclosed the actual signals. I just thought, that there are more experts with experience with the signals on Craig's forum. But if this makes you guys happier, please go on.

I thought that was the idea of this forum??  To discuss systems and help others decide whether or not to try it. I certainly dont expect or need to see any of the systems "secrets" but discussions so far are pushing me in the direction of trying it out. Thank you to all users who are making comments here. I appreciate all the info you are supplying
Title: Re: FXAW
Post by: AZJeff on January 27, 2012, 02:04:40 AM
FXAW is the best private forum anywhere in my opinion. I have been a member there 4 plus years. Just like most forums, the problem is that alot of the members want the holy grail handed to them without participating.  I am not going to tell anyone to join as it is up to everyone to make up their own mind.

Regards,
Jeff
Title: Re: FXAW
Post by: Jake on January 27, 2012, 04:04:04 AM
FXAW is indeed an exciting forum to be part of.  The extent of the skills Craig displays is impressive, and the knowledge of many of the members is also great. The information about Entropy and the other systems is very detailed and will take me a long time to understand and assimilate.  Having discussion about Entropy in this forum is helpful at the moment, as it will be while before I feel sufficiently up to speed to contribute usefully to FXAW, but I do hope to participate one day, AZJeff.
Title: Re: FXAW
Post by: middx58 on February 01, 2012, 02:17:54 AM
I got my couple of queries regarding membership answered by Craig very promptly and satisfactorily. He seems to be a very genuine person.

After he replied, I sent my memership starightaway. I am still waiting for my membership to FXAW Forum activated.

It has been one day of waiting so far. By reading other posts in this thread, it seems like usual wait, as Craig and his team seem to be very busy currently with System Development and Memership processing.

I hope to get my memership activated soon. So that I could get on with learning the Entropy and other systems.

Regards
Title: Re: FXAW
Post by: Anchorpoint on February 01, 2012, 06:28:29 AM
I got my couple of queries regarding membership answered by Craig very promptly and satisfactorily. He seems to be a very genuine person.

After he replied, I sent my memership starightaway. I am still waiting for my membership to FXAW Forum activated.

It has been one day of waiting so far. By reading other posts in this thread, it seems like usual wait, as Craig and his team seem to be very busy currently with System Development and Memership processing.

I hope to get my memership activated soon. So that I could get on with learning the Entropy and other systems.

Regards

Yep. Be patient and stay tuned. Very much interesting going on in the forum and with entropy development. This is a game changer, you will be rewarded. Welcome aboard !  8) 8)
Title: Re: FXAW
Post by: middx58 on February 01, 2012, 06:49:33 PM
Hooray! I got my FXAW Forum Access and as well as Entropy Signal Client earlier today.

I have now installed the Client and it looks good. Now I need to learn how to interprete the Signals and make best use of them. Seems to be quiet a task at this time. I am sure with some helpful posts by experienced members in their Forum and some experimenting on my side, I expect to get there.

Cheers!
Title: Re: FXAW
Post by: jamestan1978 on February 01, 2012, 10:14:10 PM
Has anyone having problem logging in today? I sm unable to login..
Title: Re: FXAW
Post by: middx58 on February 02, 2012, 12:04:15 AM
I did not experience any problem with logging in to FXAW today. I have logged in and out few times.
Title: Re: FXAW
Post by: LFN on February 02, 2012, 06:09:38 AM
I registered on the forum yesterday. No confirmation yet. I did not see anything about some costs when registrer on the site.
Title: Re: FXAW
Post by: Anchorpoint on February 02, 2012, 07:06:02 AM
I registered on the forum yesterday. No confirmation yet. I did not see anything about some costs when registrer on the site.

The cost is USD 299 Look here:
http://www.donnaforex.com/forum/index.php?topic=5031.0
Title: Re: FXAW
Post by: LFN on February 02, 2012, 09:36:51 AM
So I have to get in contact personally with Craig and get some special invitation?
Title: Re: FXAW
Post by: Anchorpoint on February 02, 2012, 09:50:31 AM
So I have to get in contact personally with Craig and get some special invitation?

That could be a good idea. His email: blutofx@gmail.com
Title: Re: FXAW
Post by: johnmalko on February 02, 2012, 02:00:26 PM
I would eventualy be interested to jump aboard as soon as the Entropy Autotrader will be available.

I don't have time to monitor my trades during the day and, for me, a fully automated system is the only way to go. On their white paper, it is mentioned that it should be available in December'11. So, what's up?
Title: Re: FXAW
Post by: petersurrey on February 02, 2012, 06:37:36 PM
So I have to get in contact personally with Craig and get some special invitation?

You need to send $299 to blutofx@gmail.com via Paypal and register on the FXAW forum - he will then send you confirmation and access to forum and downloads.

He is working hard to release the 1.4 and bot in the next week, so be patient..
Title: Re: FXAW
Post by: johnmalko on February 02, 2012, 08:21:56 PM
So I have to get in contact personally with Craig and get some special invitation?

You need to send $299 to blutofx@gmail.com via Paypal and register on the FXAW forum - he will then send you confirmation and access to forum and downloads.

He is working hard to release the 1.4 and bot in the next week, so be patient..
Hi Peter, does it mean that the autotrading bot will be released with the new version 1.4?
Title: Re: FXAW
Post by: intrader on February 03, 2012, 02:03:06 AM
Can anyone expand on what the Entropy Autotrader 1.4 does? I realise it's not released yet but those of you who have joined forum may know if it is a true auto
trader or is it sending signals for your interpretation

Cheers

Red
Title: Re: FXAW
Post by: Pipstar on February 04, 2012, 12:27:29 AM
So I have to get in contact personally with Craig and get some special invitation?

You need to send $299 to blutofx@gmail.com via Paypal and register on the FXAW forum - he will then send you confirmation and access to forum and downloads.

He is working hard to release the 1.4 and bot in the next week, so be patient..

I looked high and low in the FXAW forum for release dates for 1.4 client and tradebot but could not find any info. Where is the info on release date in the forum?   ::)
Title: FXAW
Post by: daje on February 04, 2012, 02:07:47 AM
Craig say v1.4 is 'days' away. the trade bot is still 'weeks' away. This is the best info anyone has. Craig is building each item currently.

All of the features of 1.4 remain to be seen, but v 1.3.2 works well. Not long until 1.4 now. Craig is testing the systems and improving them with each new release. Bugs are reported here and there and are rapidly corrected. Members are finding out about managing the signals.
Title: Re: FXAW
Post by: petersurrey on February 04, 2012, 05:39:59 PM
Can anyone expand on what the Entropy Autotrader 1.4 does? I realise it's not released yet but those of you who have joined forum may know if it is a true auto
trader or is it sending signals for your interpretation

Cheers

Red

Then main advantages with 1.4 will be ease of use, robustness and the comprehensive query builder so that, for example, you can build your own strategy for filtering the best trades ie: 4 hour charts, R:R>3:1, 2 vector level agreement, TP1,2 &3 etc for example - Craigs version will be more comprehensive..can't wait to see it. If we have to wait a few more weeks for the trade bot it will be well worth the wait - and for those of us who can't watch the charts an absolute must...
Title: Re: FXAW
Post by: flamenco on February 05, 2012, 11:51:32 AM
Great to see you here Capt. Jack.  I rep'd you already - for all the help and support you have provided on the FXWA thread and will undoubtedly also provide here!  Welcome aboard! ;)
Title: Re: FXAW
Post by: guernica on February 05, 2012, 12:12:34 PM
For me i'm waiting the bot because i have no time to wait signals appear.
Title: Re: FXAW
Post by: bjanssen on February 05, 2012, 10:55:02 PM
Craig say v1.4 is 'days' away. the trade bot is still 'weeks' away. This is the best info anyone has. Craig is building each item currently.

All of the features of 1.4 remain to be seen, but v 1.3.2 works well. Not long until 1.4 now. Craig is testing the systems and improving them with each new release. Bugs are reported here and there and are rapidly corrected. Members are finding out about managing the signals.

Greetings folks. I've been a member of FXAW for close to 4 years now. Like any of the other FXAW "old timers" here, I'd be glad to answer any questions concerning Entropy if I can. Like others, I can vouch for the accuracy of the signals as I have traded them live since I began beta testing the client. Version 1.3.2, the latest, has been rock solid so far. Friday's signals went off without a hitch. We are all looking forward to v 1.4 as Craig has promised us some "new toys" in the coming version. I was invited here by a user of another forum so I thought I'd stop by and pay a visit. I have visited Donna's fine site in the past but since I don't use EA's for trading, unless as trade managers, I'm not a regular here. Looking forward to seeing some of you there and I'll be dropping in here on occasion. Best wishes and good trading to all.

CJ

Thanks for posting Jack.  I've been following this thread with interest for quite some time and see lots of people saying the signals are good, but nothing more than that.  Are you (or anyone else) able to cut/paste a list of entropy trades you've taken?  It would be nice to just get a very rough indication of typical R:R, pip targets, % profitable, etc.  I know it's early days still, but it would be nice to see some of the trades people have taken.

Thanks,
BJ
Title: Re: FXAW
Post by: bjanssen on February 06, 2012, 11:54:28 AM
Fantastic, so much more than I was expecting.  Thanks very much CJ, will study these thoroughly and likely join in a month or so when I expect work to die down a bit.

Thanks again,
BJ
Title: Re: FXAW
Post by: aagarcia on February 06, 2012, 01:33:44 PM
Craig say v1.4 is 'days' away. the trade bot is still 'weeks' away. This is the best info anyone has. Craig is building each item currently.

All of the features of 1.4 remain to be seen, but v 1.3.2 works well. Not long until 1.4 now. Craig is testing the systems and improving them with each new release. Bugs are reported here and there and are rapidly corrected. Members are finding out about managing the signals.

Greetings folks. I've been a member of FXAW for close to 4 years now. Like any of the other FXAW "old timers" here, I'd be glad to answer any questions concerning Entropy if I can. Like others, I can vouch for the accuracy of the signals as I have traded them live since I began beta testing the client. Version 1.3.2, the latest, has been rock solid so far. Friday's signals went off without a hitch. We are all looking forward to v 1.4 as Craig has promised us some "new toys" in the coming version. I was invited here by a user of another forum so I thought I'd stop by and pay a visit. I have visited Donna's fine site in the past but since I don't use EA's for trading, unless as trade managers, I'm not a regular here. Looking forward to seeing some of you there and I'll be dropping in here on occasion. Best wishes and good trading to all.

CJ
Yes, Captain Jack.  Nice to see you here as well!  Welcome!!!
Title: Re: FXAW
Post by: aagarcia on February 06, 2012, 02:53:25 PM
Craig say v1.4 is 'days' away. the trade bot is still 'weeks' away. This is the best info anyone has. Craig is building each item currently.

All of the features of 1.4 remain to be seen, but v 1.3.2 works well. Not long until 1.4 now. Craig is testing the systems and improving them with each new release. Bugs are reported here and there and are rapidly corrected. Members are finding out about managing the signals.

Greetings folks. I've been a member of FXAW for close to 4 years now. Like any of the other FXAW "old timers" here, I'd be glad to answer any questions concerning Entropy if I can. Like others, I can vouch for the accuracy of the signals as I have traded them live since I began beta testing the client. Version 1.3.2, the latest, has been rock solid so far. Friday's signals went off without a hitch. We are all looking forward to v 1.4 as Craig has promised us some "new toys" in the coming version. I was invited here by a user of another forum so I thought I'd stop by and pay a visit. I have visited Donna's fine site in the past but since I don't use EA's for trading, unless as trade managers, I'm not a regular here. Looking forward to seeing some of you there and I'll be dropping in here on occasion. Best wishes and good trading to all.

CJ
Yes, Captain Jack.  Nice to see you here as well!  Welcome!!!

Thanks folks and always glad to help. It's not my intent to "teach" the system or how best to trade the signals here, but I'm glad to be able to answer your questions when I can. Best wishes and good trading!

CJ


I agree I've been a member for a few weeks now with FXAW and your insight is invaluable.  Thanks for showing up.
Title: Re: FXAW
Post by: petersurrey on February 06, 2012, 08:22:29 PM
Many hanks CJ for posting  - as a lot of the forum members will not be able to trade manually due to work commitments, what are your entry criteria for the bot to try and achieve similar results to yours?

i.e. will it be as simple as break of highest vector ( with at least 2 in agreement) for a long trade with SL and TP1,2 and 3 move to b/e +5 after TP1 etc...?
Title: Re: FXAW
Post by: petersurrey on February 06, 2012, 10:35:33 PM
Many hanks CJ for posting  - as a lot of the forum members will not be able to trade manually due to work commitments, what are your entry criteria for the bot to try and achieve similar results to yours?

i.e. will it be as simple as break of highest vector ( with at least 2 in agreement) for a long trade with SL and TP1,2 and 3 move to b/e +5 after TP1 etc...?

There is no EA for Entropy as of yet. Once you receive a signal, you place a pending order. How you manage the trade is your choice. I use a trade manager EA. We are all trading the signals manually. I consider all the signals to be good signals but all signals will not result in a trade. Pending orders are used and if price follows the signal, the order is triggered. If price doesn't follow the signal, you have no trade and you move to the next signal. Again, I'm not going to instruct anybody on how to trade their accounts. At FXAW, I post my trades and reasoning for taking the trades, as well as a summary of the trades at times. Those posts show how "I" trade the signals, based on my knowledge and studies of forex and the signals themselves. I use my own "black box system"  and it's located on top of my shoulders. There are no EA's out there that can see what we see with our own eyes. There are others who trade the same signals in different manners, with similar results. Combine the signals with what you know, be it technical analysis, fundamentals, indicators or systems for your confirmation.

 I don't worry too much about the vector strength as analysis has shown that a single vector trade can be as profitable as a trade based on multiple vectors. I started a thread at FXAW where I discuss and post the lower vector based trades. So until Craig releases his bot, we all trade manual.

CJ

Thanks CJ - very illuminating - what I meant to say is that as there are so many different entry criteria being used by the manual traders on fxaw, whether any particular one stood out i.e. enter on the retrace using pending orders, use pending orders for breakout of top or bottom vectors, enter immediately first vector shows ( which you appear to do). What do you then do when you enter a trade and another vector appears in another time frame with different entry levels? What do you do when you get a reverse vector half way through trade? I am just wondering how a bot will manage this sort of complexity - as you say nothing replaces someone who can watch the charts during the day...
Title: Re: FXAW
Post by: jamestan1978 on February 06, 2012, 10:57:50 PM
Entropy is a good piece of manual trading software that requires alot of practise, patience and discretion. There are people who have been winning and there are people that lost as it's not a straight forward software.. Just deciding which vector to take it's not easy, however for those who have time, it's quite satisfying when you slowly get a hang of it.

For those who waiting for the trade bot which is v1.5 , please do not have too high a hope as the manual part is still fine tuning and improving the autobot will take much much much longer time....
Title: Re: FXAW
Post by: bjanssen on February 06, 2012, 11:53:07 PM
... and there are people that lost as it's not a straight forward software.. Just deciding which vector to take it's not easy, however for those who have time, it's quite satisfying when you slowly get a hang of it.

Interesting, are more people succeeding than those failing?  Has it been determined why some people are not succeeding?

Thanks
BJ
Title: Re: FXAW
Post by: jamestan1978 on February 07, 2012, 04:01:07 AM
1st of all, theres no holy grail so all systems are bound to loose some day or sometime. 2ndly the current entropy system requires you to choose a good time frame, good signals to enter. it like you go to a very good fresh food market that offer you fresh apples, there are certain factors to look for good apples like make sure they are red with no dents and with shine... but how red and how shiny it is subjective, you wait wait till you see a perfect red, shiny apple but then its rare and doesnt happen all the time.  you can settle for less red and shine but it could be crucnhy and less sweet but still edible ....

Entropy is slightly simpler than choosing an apple though... hope you get what i mean..

... and there are people that lost as it's not a straight forward software.. Just deciding which vector to take it's not easy, however for those who have time, it's quite satisfying when you slowly get a hang of it.

Interesting, are more people succeeding than those failing?  Has it been determined why some people are not succeeding?

Thanks
BJ
Title: Re: FXAW
Post by: fxbabe on February 07, 2012, 06:24:27 AM
I put the "cosmetics" on the screen so other people can see what I see. all the lines and shapes have no bearing on the signal and are not needed by me, but they could be used by others who are looking for some kind of confirmation on the signals.

CJ

I too have been a member from the very get go and can testify that Entropy may be is one of the best thing ever happen in forex.  Aside from protecting the code, I still wondering if this would have been as easily accomplished via MT4 instead of going through writing a program and data feed etc.  I think the wait would have been much shorter.  For a while, I almost gave up hope with bluto not to be found.  Anywhere, the wait has been rewarding and chear to bluto for this great accomplishment so far and looking forward to the EA since couldn't figure out my left from my right regarding my manual trading skill.
Title: Re: FXAW
Post by: petersurrey on February 07, 2012, 07:26:50 AM
Many thanks CJ - excellent feedback and charts - much clearer..
Title: Re: FXAW
Post by: jubal on February 07, 2012, 08:51:46 AM
As someone considering joining can someone tell me how easy it is on the forum to navigate through the documentation and learn. Reason I ask is I've tried stuff like this before and maybe ask a question, only to be told. . "read all the posts, the answer is there" but you find the threads a garbled mess full of irrelevent stuff and then just give up in the end.
Title: Re: FXAW
Post by: jshear on February 07, 2012, 05:37:03 PM
Just joined as I have been reading good things about this. Look forward to becoming a member and adding this to my tools.


Jeff :)
Title: Re: FXAW
Post by: petersurrey on February 07, 2012, 08:48:57 PM
It has take me a few weeks to get my head around the entropy signal client. From this, as CJ has very expertly highlighted, you can extract an XL file for your desired signal time frame H4 or D1 etc, to the same platform as your charts i.e. vps or laptop. A really great tool, as CJ has expertly highlighted, is the 'MH Entropy Signal Analysis 3.1' indicator ( free to those ho join the forum) which is simply added to your custom indicators folder.

AS CJ has highlighted, this is loaded onto your chart; you then copy and paste your desired xls line (from your extracted XL file) of the pair you wish to trade, to the entropy signal analysis indicator, and change the 'HLine' to true to show all the TP1 etc levels; and like magic it all pops up on the chart. Now I have only been playing around with this for 24 hours but it becomes quite addictive - the more charts you load with the indicator the more comparisons you want to make.

The real beauty is that it shows on chart what the true risk and rewards are and of the 10+ I have loaded tonight from the D1 and 4 hour charts I would only place pending orders for 2 pairs (GBP/USD 4 hour short and AUD/JPY D1 short) because they have R:R of 1:1 or better.

So even before the bot is released you can get a true feel for the system and how it trades.

My main concern is that some trades are well underway ( or even target reached), which means however great manual trading may be, it will miss some great trades, which hopefully the bot will catch.

Title: Re: FXAW
Post by: bjanssen on February 08, 2012, 03:59:55 AM
Thanks again for your contributions here CJ.  You've convinced me to sign up now.  I won't get much of a chance to trade for the next month or so, but at least I can start the reading process.

I'm in Australia and therefore my daylight hours are in the quieter Asian session.  Has anyone noticed Entropy being more/less accurate during different sessions?

BJ
Title: Re: FXAW
Post by: LFN on February 08, 2012, 08:55:39 AM
Does entropy need any manual intervention if used with trademanager 2.0?
Title: Re: FXAW
Post by: jubal on February 08, 2012, 11:53:24 AM
Really appreciate you coming on here and posting lots of good info Captain Jack. Hopefully I will subscribe either today or tomorrow. ( be prepared for lots of stupid questions  :D )
Title: Re: FXAW
Post by: intrader on February 08, 2012, 12:15:11 PM


You are welcome Jubal. As for stupid questions, I'm an expert... don't forget I was one of the first to ASK them!  ;)



CJ
[/quote]

Stupid question : Where in the forum is the download for Entropy.?  Craig said" a download link is posted on a topic thread in the forum". Maybe I can't see the forest for the trees but I 'm buggered if I can find it.

Cheers

Red
Title: Re: FXAW
Post by: jshear on February 08, 2012, 12:48:17 PM
Hi Captain Jack thanks for coming on here. I signed up and and have installed Entropy Signal Client. Where is best place to begin? Look forward to testing and hopefully using the signals.


Jeff :)
Title: Re: FXAW
Post by: e1vis on February 08, 2012, 01:08:44 PM
Hi Captain Jack thanks for coming on here. I signed up and and have installed Entropy Signal Client. Where is best place to begin? Look forward to testing and hopefully using the signals.


Jeff :)

The best place I found to begin was a thread on the second page of the entropy sub-forum called "Installing Entropy 1.3 ver". Not only does it go through some very important points but it has a pdf, written by Craig, attached to the first post which is extremely helpful and I suggest is vital reading for anyone wishing to use entropy.

I won't post the pdf here because I don't think it's appropriate to do so, but if you are a member you will be able to find it easily.

I would suggest that any questions regarding trading entropy should be posted the FXAW forums rather than here, as it's the place for them and there will almost certainly be someone there who can help out very quickly.

 
Title: Re: FXAW
Post by: jshear on February 08, 2012, 01:53:47 PM
Thanks Elvis.


Jeff :)


PS I got the PDF now thanks
Title: Re: FXAW
Post by: petersurrey on February 08, 2012, 05:15:53 PM
GBPJPY trade update.... TP2 target hit and surpassed.

CJ

Excellent R:R trade CJ - any reason why this was opened at a level below the TSZ high within the TSZ high and low?  Are most entries at the TSZ highs and low points - some also appear to be outside?

Thanks for the feedback -last nights G/U short reached TP2 and the AUD/JPY has just entered short. Very encouraging!
Title: Re: FXAW
Post by: jshear on February 08, 2012, 06:26:37 PM
Hi Captain Jack. I got my first trade today  AUD USD for 61 pips.


Jeff :)
Title: Re: FXAW
Post by: jshear on February 08, 2012, 07:53:49 PM
Wow.  Entropy picked for sure the top  and reversal on the AUD!! You sure its not beginners luck? LOL

Cheers

Jeff :)
Title: Re: FXAW
Post by: petersurrey on February 08, 2012, 10:30:43 PM
GBPJPY trade update.... TP2 target hit and surpassed.

CJ

Excellent R:R trade CJ - any reason why this was opened at a level below the TSZ high within the TSZ high and low?  Are most entries at the TSZ highs and low points - some also appear to be outside?

Thanks for the feedback -last nights G/U short reached TP2 and the AUD/JPY has just entered short. Very encouraging!

Sounds like you are picking up the system well Peter. Nice going with your trades.

I don't always follow the basic Entropy rules for entry. I trust and know the behavior of the signals so I don't always wait for price to leave the zone, especially if it is a wide spread zone. To me, that's leaving pips on the table as I'm a greedy old man.  ;D 

If I see other things on my charts, I may take an early entry. If I get a late signal that is already out of the zones and moving to TP, I may enter a trade and take a few pips less. I post a lot of trades at FXAW that are not based on Entropy or overlap with Entropy's signals. There are times when I've already taken a trade and Entropy sends a signal that I will plot on the same chart. So there is no single reason I can give you, other than I trust the signals.

CJ

Thanks CJ - makes sense -  some other nice set ups tonight but I wont post them here for obvious reasons - can you please confirm what the horizontal dotted white line on the charts represents, usually close to the TSZ high or low line?


For UK traders GKFX SB platform have the full range of pairs traded with great spreads on most...


thanks again for your feedback..
Title: Re: FXAW
Post by: intrader on February 09, 2012, 12:03:42 AM







[/quote]

Look for a thread titled - * Entropy Signal Client Ver.1.3.2 Available Here *

1st post , 2nd line. It's in the entropy area, page 2

CJ
[/quote]

Thanks Jack (blush)

Red
Title: Re: FXAW
Post by: Trader@Home on February 09, 2012, 02:20:38 AM
Awesome guys.Its a jewel rep to the one introduced it.

Today i will be subscribing ;)
regards
T@H
Title: Re: FXAW
Post by: jshear on February 09, 2012, 02:44:14 AM
Welcome aboard Trader@home


Jeff ;)
Title: Re: FXAW
Post by: Trader@Home on February 09, 2012, 02:49:12 AM
Welcome aboard Trader@home


Jeff ;)
Thanks :D
Title: Re: FXAW
Post by: art on February 09, 2012, 12:37:45 PM
been reading all the posts, what if half the trading community start using this system, will it still perform as well, im tempted to come on board, but your thoughts, cheers
Title: Re: FXAW
Post by: Anchorpoint on February 09, 2012, 12:52:13 PM
been reading all the posts, what if half the trading community start using this system, will it still perform as well, im tempted to come on board, but your thoughts, cheers

Isn't that thinking applicable to all EAs and strategies? Maybe for a few EAs, like MDP, the no of users make the performance deteriorate (and some brokers deliberately increase execution time, requotes etc) For the majority of EAs I wouldn't be worried
and in this specific case, since Entropy focuses on H4, it will be much less vulnerable for short term market manipulations.
Title: Re: FXAW
Post by: art on February 09, 2012, 01:20:38 PM
fair enough
Title: Re: FXAW
Post by: Alexd on February 09, 2012, 02:10:11 PM
Sorry if this is a stupid question or has already been asked but I work during the day and therefore would not be able to trade during the London session. Does this matter?

I see you trade the daily and 4 hour charts so I guess it really doesn't matter.

Approximately how long per day do you spend looking at the charts?

Thanks

Alex
Title: Re: FXAW
Post by: Trader@Home on February 09, 2012, 02:14:45 PM
Sorry if this is a stupid question or has already been asked but I work during the day and therefore would not be able to trade during the London session. Does this matter?

I see you trade the daily and 4 hour charts so I guess it really doesn't matter.

Approximately how long per day do you spend looking at the charts?

Thanks

Alex
Every 4Hours on H4 and Once a Day on the daily bar.But craig will be releasing an automated robot thats for the time being in the pipeline imo :D
Title: Re: FXAW
Post by: Trader@Home on February 09, 2012, 02:17:29 PM
been reading all the posts, what if half the trading community start using this system, will it still perform as well, im tempted to come on board, but your thoughts, cheers

I really don't see how the performance will suffer due to the numbers of users. There are continuous signals, 24/5 on all pairs. Other instruments will be added in the future. People all over the world trade at different hours. These signals are applied in many individual ways, at different times, and orders may be close but not exactly alike. There is no interface to your broker, other than yourself. They can not tell why you have placed an order or for what reason when you trade manually. Entropy is in it's infancy. There are great things in store for the future. Chit chat about a private brokerage, indexes, options, equities, metals, futures.... and let's not forget, this is to be released as a commercial product, done in nothing less than a professional way. There's going to be a lot of people paying monthly fees to access this system before long. No, I don't see any way performance will suffer. How can they stop a signal from reaching you and you placing a trade based on that signal?? I don't think that is going to happen. Let me say this to make it clear, Entropy is a price action based system. it reacts to the market, no matter the conditions. Always watching and always adjusting.

The best traders in the world trade price action only. Consider price as the shark that is always swimming about, back and forth in search of a meal....YOU! Entropy is the shark hunter that will pull you from the belly of this beast, and place shark steaks upon your plate.  8)

Best wishes and good trading my friends.

CJ
on a lighter note i do not wish to kill sharks :D im a fan of sea shepherds ;D
Title: Re: FXAW
Post by: Trader@Home on February 09, 2012, 03:05:21 PM
CJ

Thanks lot for coming here and explaining and addressing most of our concerns.Appreciate you could put up the trade results for the noobs to understand.You may post the results after the trade is closed, that way you are not infringing rules of FXAW forum. :D

Smiling Trader,
T@H
Title: FXAW
Post by: e1vis on February 09, 2012, 04:19:57 PM
been reading all the posts, what if half the trading community start using this system, will it still perform as well, im tempted to come on board, but your thoughts, cheers

I really don't see how the performance will suffer due to the numbers of users. There are continuous signals, 24/5 on all pairs. Other instruments will be added in the future. People all over the world trade at different hours. These signals are applied in many individual ways, at different times, and orders may be close but not exactly alike. There is no interface to your broker, other than yourself. They can not tell why you have placed an order or for what reason when you trade manually. Entropy is in it's infancy. There are great things in store for the future. Chit chat about a private brokerage, indexes, options, equities, metals, futures.... and let's not forget, this is to be released as a commercial product, done in nothing less than a professional way. There's going to be a lot of people paying monthly fees to access this system before long. No, I don't see any way performance will suffer. How can they stop a signal from reaching you and you placing a trade based on that signal?? I don't think that is going to happen. Let me say this to make it clear, Entropy is a price action based system. it reacts to the market, no matter the conditions. Always watching and always adjusting.

The best traders in the world trade price action only. Consider price as the shark that is always swimming about, back and forth in search of a meal....YOU! Entropy is the shark hunter that will pull you from the belly of this beast, and place shark steaks upon your plate.  8)

Best wishes and good trading my friends.

CJ

Would your answer be any different if we assume that perhaps one day 5,000 people worldwide (holding average positions of, for example, 0.5 lots each) may use the tradebot to take the exactly the same high vector signal on, say, the nzd/usd pair, with exactly the same TP and SL levels (given that the tradebot will choose these for you)?

That would be a $250m position.

I don't know the answer, I'm just asking... My thoughts are that this scenario would actually help push the price in the RIGHT direction for people taking the signals, but also leads to a higher risk of potential SL hunting.
Title: Re: FXAW
Post by: jshear on February 09, 2012, 04:51:53 PM
Made 22 pips on a lower time frame CAD long with confluence of multiple signals. Two trade so far for over 83 pips in 2 days. Seems to good to be true!! LOL


Jeff ;)
Title: Re: FXAW
Post by: Trader@Home on February 09, 2012, 05:13:36 PM
Made 22 pips on a lower time frame CAD long with confluence of multiple signals. Two trade so far for over 83 pips in 2 days. Seems to good to be true!! LOL


Jeff ;)
jshear GL with the trades,but with high precision trades are based on longer time frames,my friendly advise to you would be to try the H4 and D1 TFs. :D as their is so much enthusiasm on this last thing we need couple of bad trades to dishearten our seniors such as you ;D
Title: Re: FXAW
Post by: jshear on February 09, 2012, 05:29:02 PM
Trader@home. Yes I am focusing on H4 and Daily trades but the Cad one was a screaming buy with confluence on multiple time frames all at once and since I already trade the CAD manually as I am  a CDN I already would have taken that reversal. But yes your are right H4 and D are the time frames to trades as they are much more accurate.


Cheers

Jeff :)
Title: Re: FXAW
Post by: petersurrey on February 09, 2012, 10:26:15 PM
Very good point CJ - many of us here have traded the same bots and all get different results - why - because we all use different brokers, platforms . vps, trade entries and exits (yes even with the same bots many of us interfere and don't allow it to trade independently).

SO there is very little chance that a relatively small group of traders, even at several thousand, will make the slightest difference to pricing when, for example.  you get China selling off several $B worth of dollars for example - the forex market is huge and hopefully we will all be very rich before we make any serious dent in pricing..
Title: Re: FXAW
Post by: aagarcia on February 09, 2012, 10:41:49 PM
Thanks CJ.  I know I won't be trading with Alpari anytime soon!!!    ::)
Title: Re: FXAW
Post by: Mr Hector on February 09, 2012, 10:51:04 PM
All I can see is the MDP traders drooooooling all over the Alpari chart!  ;D

Seriously, the Alpari chart is a real eye opener.  Especially if you watched the 'injecting prices into MT4' video posted somewhere on here.

Great example Captain.
Title: Re: FXAW
Post by: JonnoB on February 09, 2012, 11:08:39 PM
Thank you for sharing your experiences. I have signed up and are looking forward to getting into to it. Lots to learn first :)
Title: Re: FXAW
Post by: Trader@Home on February 10, 2012, 03:30:46 PM
Thank you for sharing your experiences. I have signed up and are looking forward to getting into to it. Lots to learn first :)
were you able to do some trades,i know its early to ask questions,but are you finding helpful members who are willing to share their experience with this one :D
Title: Re: FXAW
Post by: jshear on February 10, 2012, 03:39:19 PM
Cad trade is up over 80 pips.


Jeff :)
Title: Re: FXAW
Post by: Trader@Home on February 10, 2012, 03:42:54 PM
Cad trade is up over 80 pips.


Jeff :)
gr8 you are enjoying this one,GL :D
Title: Re: FXAW
Post by: Mr Hector on February 10, 2012, 03:45:42 PM
All I can see is the MDP traders drooooooling all over the Alpari chart!  ;D

Seriously, the Alpari chart is a real eye opener.  Especially if you watched the 'injecting prices into MT4' video posted somewhere on here.

Great example Captain.

You can't trade those spikes... they re-quote after re-quote, or send the popup box "Do you wish to buy or sell x at x?"

They are there for one reason, Alpari's benefit, not MDP users!  :o

CJ

I wonder if those same spikes appear on the Alpari Pro feed?
Title: Re: FXAW
Post by: jubal on February 10, 2012, 04:20:11 PM
Thank you to Captain Jack for your screenshots of the spikes with Alpari US. Can I ask you if you can provide similar screenshots of a more usable pair. Reason I ask is that I use Alpari UK and have never seen that sort of thing happening. I tried to compare to my charts  but unfortunately Alpari Uk dont have the pair NZDCHF you highlighted. At least not on micro account. If I could see a similar picture on Alpari UK I'd be away like a shot. Which brings up another point. Any broker recommendations for UK??
Title: Re: FXAW
Post by: Anchorpoint on February 10, 2012, 04:44:21 PM
Thank you to Captain Jack for your screenshots of the spikes with Alpari US. Can I ask you if you can provide similar screenshots of a more usable pair. Reason I ask is that I use Alpari UK and have never seen that sort of thing happening. I tried to compare to my charts  but unfortunately Alpari Uk dont have the pair NZDCHF you highlighted. At least not on micro account. If I could see a similar picture on Alpari UK I'd be away like a shot. Which brings up another point. Any broker recommendations for UK??

I would go for a regulated one. Hantec Markets http://www.hantecfx.com/  and LMax http://www.lmax.com/ seem good. I am currently doing my own dd on this and these two stand out. LMax protects funds up to 100.000 which is good. They will be operational in a month with MT4.
Title: Re: FXAW
Post by: petersurrey on February 10, 2012, 05:45:42 PM
CJ -  I note that quite a few trades are taking out the stops by,say 10-20 pips, before almost immediately reversing into the profit targets - how do you manage stops?

I also note that R:R doesn't appear to be affecting the TP in that the poorer R:R are still smashing the targets and a lot more?..do you take all R:R?..
Title: Re: FXAW
Post by: JonnoB on February 10, 2012, 06:14:06 PM
Thank you for sharing your experiences. I have signed up and are looking forward to getting into to it. Lots to learn first :)
were you able to do some trades,i know its early to ask questions,but are you finding helpful members who are willing to share their experience with this one :D

No live trades yet, just a couple of pretend ones. One would have made money :)

I'm still working through the criteria/rules I'll use to select a potential trades. It could take me a while.

I haven't asked any questions on FXAW yet. Thanks to CJ most of my initial questions were answered here.
Title: Re: FXAW
Post by: aagarcia on February 10, 2012, 06:58:00 PM
HotForex sure does accept US citizens Cap.  I'm there.
Title: Re: FXAW
Post by: aagarcia on February 10, 2012, 07:08:02 PM
HotForex sure does accept US citizens Cap.  I'm there.

I didn't see the United States listed in the country list? How's trading there?

CJ
Don't care for it anymore.  I think they still have problems with their servers.  Check the HotForex thread under Brokers here. I've had a few disconnects and 1 during NFP- unacceptable to me.
Title: Re: FXAW
Post by: petersurrey on February 10, 2012, 08:05:58 PM
Thank you to Captain Jack for your screenshots of the spikes with Alpari US. Can I ask you if you can provide similar screenshots of a more usable pair. Reason I ask is that I use Alpari UK and have never seen that sort of thing happening. I tried to compare to my charts  but unfortunately Alpari Uk dont have the pair NZDCHF you highlighted. At least not on micro account. If I could see a similar picture on Alpari UK I'd be away like a shot. Which brings up another point. Any broker recommendations for UK??

GKFX (.co.uk) offers a HUGE range of pairs on their live server - just deposit  a small amount to access.
Title: Re: FXAW
Post by: jubal on February 10, 2012, 08:45:14 PM
Quote
GKFX (.co.uk) offers a HUGE range of pairs on their live server - just deposit  a small amount to access.

Never used spread betting before. Does platform work same way? i.e. if I use 0.1 lots am I risking same as a normal MT4 account? Can I run EAs off it etc. Anything else different that I should be aware of
Title: Re: FXAW
Post by: jshear on February 10, 2012, 10:24:39 PM
Lots of green pips today!!I ate over 100 pips and still in a trade over the weekend. Have a nice weekend.


Jeff :)
Title: Re: FXAW
Post by: petersurrey on February 10, 2012, 10:57:50 PM
Quote
GKFX (.co.uk) offers a HUGE range of pairs on their live server - just deposit  a small amount to access.

Never used spread betting before. Does platform work same way? i.e. if I use 0.1 lots am I risking same as a normal MT4 account? Can I run EAs off it etc. Anything else different that I should be aware of

each lot is £1 per pip; mini lot 0.1 per pip etc..smallest size  1mini.

Great range of pairs with competitive variable spreads. Web based deposit and withdrawal.  Try with small lots and see how it goes - some have had slippage and platform issues - never been a problem with me using a UK vps. Remember this is a bucket shop though - i.e. you win they lose. They openly admit that they don't like scalp bots; which don't allow them enough time to hedge winning trades I guess, so you should be OK with FXAW.
Title: Re: FXAW
Post by: Mr Hector on February 10, 2012, 11:03:11 PM
I'm along for the FXAW ride too!

(I got booted out of GKFX last year for scalping and trading news BTW peter.  They certainly don't like you to win and put your account on a 'manually checked' desk if you start to make a lot of money, your trades take about 30 seconds minimum to fill!)
Title: Re: FXAW
Post by: jshear on February 10, 2012, 11:19:54 PM
Welcome my good friend Julian. Thanks again for my new cooler looking Avatar!! May we have many green pips together.


Jeff ;)
Title: Re: FXAW
Post by: Mr Hector on February 10, 2012, 11:48:56 PM
No problem ya big pip muncher!
Title: Re: FXAW
Post by: Mr Hector on February 11, 2012, 08:19:29 AM
Hi CJ,

I'll be setting up a new 'practice' account to trade only Entropy to get my teeth into it.  Once I am confident I will certainly add a link.  I'll be most interested to analyse the stats it and I can produce by trading the Entropy way.  I'm looking forward to it!
Title: Re: FXAW
Post by: Lima on February 11, 2012, 08:50:00 AM
I'm in now as well. Bit of reading to be done this weekend
Title: Re: FXAW
Post by: wynkins on February 11, 2012, 10:50:20 AM
I joined this week.

This screenshot was my second trade - a winning trade from a lower timeframe (M5) signal. Not the best R:R, but once the trade was triggered, the price quickly rose through all three TP levels.

My first trade was a D1 USDCAD long. It is still running, approx 65 pips up.
Title: Re: FXAW
Post by: jshear on February 11, 2012, 03:33:39 PM
Captain Jack: Why did you take the last short as I just got a long signal on friday so I am long the GU now as per my screen shot.


Thanks


Jeff
Title: Re: FXAW
Post by: johnmalko on February 11, 2012, 04:38:17 PM
Hi Guys,

No news about the trading bot, any release date ?
Title: FXAW
Post by: e1vis on February 11, 2012, 04:47:06 PM
Hi Guys,

No news about the trading bot, any release date ?

No - it's probably some way off yet
Title: Re: FXAW
Post by: aagarcia on February 11, 2012, 05:35:50 PM
Captain Jack: Why did you take the last short as I just got a long signal on friday so I am long the GU now as per my screen shot.


Thanks


Jeff



Hi Jeff,

I took profits on 3-4 orders that were placed at higher levels. I added the last short as it's at the bottom of another demand area. There is usually a "gap" in price on Sunday. Since I am looking for a re-trace, price may gap lower before it turns and fills the gap. Might be worth another 30 pips or so. Should it gap up, it may pull back and then head lower, right through that demand area. So you know, I have a high level of risk tolerance. I also didn't see any sign of a pin bar. Pin bars are something I look for as an indicator of direction change.  ;)

A lot of people are focusing on the lower time frames. Don't get "tunnel vision" while looking at your charts. Take a look at the bigger picture.  8)

CJ

I believe your on "advanced mode"  lol  :)   I'm still on Entropy for Dummies Chapter 1   :-X

PS.  Please don't PM me for an Entropy for Dummies book (doesn't exist)  BUT the FXAW forum has an Entropy 101 .pdf which can help get you "launched"   ;)
Title: Re: FXAW
Post by: johnmalko on February 11, 2012, 05:37:46 PM
Hi Guys,

No news about the trading bot, any release date ?

No - it's probably some way off yet

Thanks, I'm really really looking forward to join the FXAW forum community but the only option for me is the bot.  :'(
Title: Re: FXAW
Post by: JonnoB on February 11, 2012, 06:43:56 PM
Hi Guys,

No news about the trading bot, any release date ?

No - it's probably some way off yet

Thanks, I'm really really looking forward to join the FXAW forum community but the only option for me is the bot.  :'(

I've just joined and are looking forward to the bot as well. However I have learnt a lot about Entropy by working through various signals with the latest client and the signal analyser indicator. I'm sure once the bot is released this understanding will not be lost.
Title: Re: FXAW
Post by: aagarcia on February 11, 2012, 06:53:37 PM
And that's why Craig released Entropy in its beta stage so that others can give input to help improve it but MOST IMPORTANTLY so you understand HOW Entropy works and not just blindly trading with a bot.
Title: Re: FXAW
Post by: Mr Hector on February 11, 2012, 07:39:58 PM
That's exactly what I would be doing this weekend, learning how Entropy works and trying to understand it's signals.

Now if only I had been granted access to the forum!  Still waiting CJ...
Title: Re: FXAW
Post by: art on February 12, 2012, 12:00:51 AM
hi guys i'm on board have just been through all the posts here, before i've even started i have a good idea how system works thanks to all the input from you all, especially captain jack, i havent even been on to the FXAW forum yet, hopefully will start demoing next week, re brokerage issues i live in uk, and i'm using alpari uk, is this a suitable broker to trade this system? cheers
Title: Re: FXAW
Post by: e1vis on February 12, 2012, 12:18:54 AM
hi guys i'm on board have just been through all the posts here, before i've even started i have a good idea how system works thanks to all the input from you all, especially captain jack, i havent even been on to the FXAW forum yet, hopefully will start demoing next week, re brokerage issues i live in uk, and i'm using alpari uk, is this a suitable broker to trade this system? cheers

This is a swing trading system so is not at all broker dependent. Just choose a reputable, well regulated broker with good execution, stability etc that offers suitable minimum lot sizes for your starting capital, and you should be fine. 
Title: Re: FXAW
Post by: Trader@Home on February 12, 2012, 07:21:30 AM
Should not this thread be in some manual system category. :-\
Title: Re: FXAW
Post by: Mr Hector on February 12, 2012, 07:36:14 AM
What happened to the cat with the lime on it's head T@H?  I loved that avatar!

I think this FXAW is in this section because there are EAs within the FXAW membership package.  It's would appear that most members however, prefer the Entropy signals.  I believe Entropy is being developed into an EA. 

It's quite a mixed bag and could rightfully be placed in a number of categories.  Is it a signal service, is it education, is it indeed commercial expert advisor(s)?

Hard to say, maybe we should have a special section for it just called 'Wow!'
Title: Re: FXAW
Post by: Trader@Home on February 12, 2012, 12:04:10 PM
What happened to the cat with the lime on it's head T@H?  I loved that avatar!

Thats cat in melon hat. Market dynamics i guess ;D so you have joined the FXAW band wagon...good for you, i will surely jump in sooner.i am little concern of the over enthusiasm on some of you guys here,guess taking too risky trades on shorter TF. :D The founder has clearly stated that its recommended to use on higher TF. :D 
Title: Re: FXAW
Post by: guernica on February 12, 2012, 12:23:40 PM
What happened to the cat with the lime on it's head T@H?  I loved that avatar!

Thats cat in melon hat. Market dynamics i guess ;D so you have joined the FXAW band wagon...good for you, i will surely jump in sooner.i am little concern of the over enthusiasm on some of you guys here,guess taking too risky trades on shorter TF. :D The founder has clearly stated that its recommended to use on higher TF. :D
Yes 4H and 1D.
For me i go wait bot because i have no time to baby sit signals.
Title: Re: FXAW
Post by: Trader@Home on February 12, 2012, 12:31:03 PM
In a way thats easy when your EA takes the trades,but i always prefer the manual trading over the automated. Just that we do not have time to spend whole day to check the trading signals.it gives so much confidence when you PT levels are reached when trading manual:D So i will be using both :)
Title: Re: FXAW
Post by: petersurrey on February 12, 2012, 02:35:33 PM
CJ - many thanks for your inspirational posts as usual - much appreciated.

We know entropy requires patience as highlighted in the attached chart. It tends to signal very early in a change of trend, which may mean the price fluctuates around for a day or two before changing direction.

This takes a little getting used to and allows opportunities to enter at a better price, if you don't use pending order entries. The following is a classic example with last weeks A/U bear trade - appeared to be heading in the wrong direction before a sharp reversal to TP3+ level.

There also appears to lot a profit left on the table when trades are exited at TP3 level, with many trades; and I would tend to leave a TP4 running with a trailing stop.
Title: Re: FXAW
Post by: aagarcia on February 12, 2012, 03:23:13 PM
There also appears to lot a profit left on the table when trades are exited at TP3 level, with many trades; and I would tend to leave a TP4 running with a trailing stop.
You could leave it with a trailing stop BUT as Craig mentions Entropy is not meant to "let it run" , it is meant to exploit a "sweet spot/zone" where the three TPs lie.
Title: Re: FXAW
Post by: jshear on February 12, 2012, 10:56:31 PM
Yes hit TP 2 up 62.4 pips and rocking!! Love Entropy!! Keep up the good work helping other members Captain Jack. May we make many green pips together!!


Cheers

Jeff :)
Title: Re: FXAW
Post by: Pipstar on February 13, 2012, 10:41:48 AM
It has take me a few weeks to get my head around the entropy signal client. From this, as CJ has very expertly highlighted, you can extract an XL file for your desired signal time frame H4 or D1 etc, to the same platform as your charts i.e. vps or laptop. A really great tool, as CJ has expertly highlighted, is the 'MH Entropy Signal Analysis 3.1' indicator ( free to those ho join the forum) which is simply added to your custom indicators folder.

AS CJ has highlighted, this is loaded onto your chart; you then copy and paste your desired xls line (from your extracted XL file) of the pair you wish to trade, to the entropy signal analysis indicator, and change the 'HLine' to true to show all the TP1 etc levels; and like magic it all pops up on the chart. Now I have only been playing around with this for 24 hours but it becomes quite addictive - the more charts you load with the indicator the more comparisons you want to make.

The real beauty is that it shows on chart what the true risk and rewards are and of the 10+ I have loaded tonight from the D1 and 4 hour charts I would only place pending orders for 2 pairs (GBP/USD 4 hour short and AUD/JPY D1 short) because they have R:R of 1:1 or better.

So even before the bot is released you can get a true feel for the system and how it trades.

My main concern is that some trades are well underway ( or even target reached), which means however great manual trading may be, it will miss some great trades, which hopefully the bot will catch.

Where do I find the 'MH Entropy Signal Analysis 3.1' indicator, as it is not in the indicator package?
Title: Re: FXAW
Post by: art on February 13, 2012, 10:54:23 AM
morning chaps, just started with this, firstly how do i get those indicators on the charts which captain jack has, i have a pending order which i took earlier on GBPNZD  bull signal 12  price 1 8925, the order still sitting there took the trade from the 4 hour time frame, was that correct
Title: FXAW
Post by: greenfield on February 13, 2012, 11:31:55 AM

Where do I find the 'MH Entropy Signal Analysis 3.1' indicator, as it is not in the indicator package?

I don't suppose it would be ethical to post it here. There are links all over the site. It's in a http://dl.dropbox.com/  download.

I've just carried out a search. One place it can be found is here: Entropy Trading System (formerly “Marauder-Commando”) - > Entropy Sample Signal 3: GBPJPY (10:12:2011:16:00:00) (4th column of posts). The link is in the 4th and 5th post from the bottom, posts by Michael who created the file.
Title: Re: FXAW
Post by: ForexPipMaker on February 13, 2012, 01:20:54 PM
This is intriguing. Is there any MyFxbook account traded with Entrophy?
Title: Re: FXAW
Post by: aagarcia on February 13, 2012, 01:49:44 PM
It has take me a few weeks to get my head around the entropy signal client. From this, as CJ has very expertly highlighted, you can extract an XL file for your desired signal time frame H4 or D1 etc, to the same platform as your charts i.e. vps or laptop. A really great tool, as CJ has expertly highlighted, is the 'MH Entropy Signal Analysis 3.1' indicator ( free to those ho join the forum) which is simply added to your custom indicators folder.

AS CJ has highlighted, this is loaded onto your chart; you then copy and paste your desired xls line (from your extracted XL file) of the pair you wish to trade, to the entropy signal analysis indicator, and change the 'HLine' to true to show all the TP1 etc levels; and like magic it all pops up on the chart. Now I have only been playing around with this for 24 hours but it becomes quite addictive - the more charts you load with the indicator the more comparisons you want to make.

The real beauty is that it shows on chart what the true risk and rewards are and of the 10+ I have loaded tonight from the D1 and 4 hour charts I would only place pending orders for 2 pairs (GBP/USD 4 hour short and AUD/JPY D1 short) because they have R:R of 1:1 or better.

So even before the bot is released you can get a true feel for the system and how it trades.

My main concern is that some trades are well underway ( or even target reached), which means however great manual trading may be, it will miss some great trades, which hopefully the bot will catch.

Where do I find the 'MH Entropy Signal Analysis 3.1' indicator, as it is not in the indicator package?

Attached is the indicator (I have no instructions for it sorry).  I'm sure it is OK to post it here as it is completely useless without being a member of FXAW.
Hi Julian, I think you should have asked Michael first though.
Title: Re: FXAW
Post by: Mr Hector on February 13, 2012, 01:55:55 PM
Yes, probably so.  I have removed my post. 

it can be found on the FXAW site as mentioned above, so all members are able to download it from there.
Title: Re: FXAW
Post by: art on February 13, 2012, 02:55:08 PM
hi guys trawling through the posts, think i'm getting the hang of it, one question if somebody can answer, on the white paper, NZDJPY chart  he places a pending order  on bull 2 at 57.19,  why did'nt  he place it at 57.14  on the bull 10,  cheers
Title: Re: FXAW
Post by: Trader@Home on February 13, 2012, 02:59:06 PM
hi guys trawling through the posts, think i'm getting the hang of it, one question if somebody can answer, on the white paper, NZDJPY chart  he places a pending order  on bull 2 at 57.19,  why did'nt  he place it at 57.14  on the bull 10,  cheers
takes highest :D of the 4 valid vectors
Title: Re: FXAW
Post by: art on February 13, 2012, 03:09:25 PM
thanks for that, now how do i get all the trading info down the side of the chart like captain jacks charts,
Title: Re: FXAW
Post by: Trader@Home on February 13, 2012, 03:14:34 PM
thanks for that, now how do i get all the trading info down the side of the chart like captain jacks charts,
Very sorry i am yet to subscribe to the entropy :-[ so i am unable to help you atm :( hopefully a member from FXAW could assist you :D
Title: Re: FXAW
Post by: art on February 13, 2012, 04:00:19 PM
much appreciated captain, lots to learn, many thanks
Title: Re: FXAW
Post by: art on February 13, 2012, 04:50:43 PM
downloaded michaels file onto desktop, i assume it goes in the indicator folder on meta trader,  i can see it in there but when i close the platform and reopen it, its not in the custom indicators, im obviously doing something wrong, any thoughts cheers
Title: Re: FXAW
Post by: sponn on February 13, 2012, 04:55:39 PM
downloaded michaels file onto desktop, i assume it goes in the indicator folder on meta trader,  i can see it in there but when i close the platform and reopen it, its not in the custom indicators, im obviously doing something wrong, any thoughts cheers

Experts-indicators

You must have it in custom indicators after mt4 restart (called MH Entropy Signals).
Title: Re: FXAW
Post by: art on February 13, 2012, 05:04:04 PM
ok got it nsorted 8)
Title: Re: FXAW
Post by: jubal on February 13, 2012, 06:39:15 PM
@Captain Jack:   Would appreciate it if you could post some screenshots again of active trades. I just joined at weekend and trying to work my way through the info on the forum. So far I have got the Entropy client up and running and I have Michaels indicator loaded up. I have copied a few lines from excel into the indicator and that seems to be working ok.  Really need to be following a few trades now to understand how and where to enter.
Title: Re: FXAW
Post by: Mr Hector on February 13, 2012, 07:02:52 PM
It is very interesting, and encouraging, to see that the members I personally consider the more 'serious' traders are the ones now frequenting this thread.  Newbies take note.  ;)
Title: Re: FXAW
Post by: John Henrik on February 13, 2012, 07:08:44 PM
It is very interesting, and encouraging, to see that the members I personally consider the more 'serious' traders are the ones now frequenting this thread.  Newbies take note.  ;)

*noting*
Title: Re: FXAW
Post by: flamenco on February 13, 2012, 07:18:14 PM
Ditto!
Title: Re: FXAW
Post by: jubal on February 13, 2012, 08:34:38 PM
Thanks CJ.  keep them comin'
Title: Re: FXAW
Post by: jubal on February 13, 2012, 08:44:03 PM
CJ, can you explain the logic in taking that EURNZD trade?  I cant see much apart from 5 min signals. Am I missing something?
Title: Re: FXAW
Post by: art on February 13, 2012, 08:53:27 PM
i was going to ask the same jubal
Title: Re: FXAW
Post by: jshear on February 13, 2012, 09:24:51 PM
Swing Entropy swing to many green pips!! In one signal today GBP NZD. Captain Jack is it ok if I post my live chart here?


Jeff ;)
Title: Re: FXAW
Post by: jshear on February 13, 2012, 09:30:38 PM
Ok here is one of my trades.


Jeff
Title: Re: FXAW
Post by: jubal on February 13, 2012, 10:06:00 PM
Thank you CJ  your help much appreciated. I understand that "training" would be done best on the FXAW forum but although I have got started to a point I'm finding the information there a bit spread out. Not complaining and I realise its just a matter of getting used to it. Reason i want to pick it up quickly is I want to understand it before v1.4 comes out and "smooths" the rough edges a bit, if you get my drift
Title: Re: FXAW
Post by: petersurrey on February 13, 2012, 10:47:06 PM
This is classic example of entropy in action with all indicators removed and just showing the currency price on the day of the signal -NOT the entry point - highlighting how accurate this system is at spotting reversal levels, and how not waiting for the exact entry can produce some very profitable trades..
Title: Re: FXAW
Post by: e1vis on February 13, 2012, 10:58:28 PM
Thank you CJ  your help much appreciated. I understand that "training" would be done best on the FXAW forum but although I have got started to a point I'm finding the information there a bit spread out. Not complaining and I realise its just a matter of getting used to it. Reason i want to pick it up quickly is I want to understand it before v1.4 comes out and "smooths2 the rough edges a bit, if you get my drift

I hear you. It is getting harder to find the needed info there but not sure what to do about it.  :-\

CJ

You could perhaps start up your own thread on FXAW to illustrate your live trades, answer queries, discuss strategies etc. That way you could also look at specific signals and entry points etc as it would only be members reading it... to be honest with you (and I may be in the minority here!) I think there's more than enough in this thread for anyone to be able to make up their minds about whether or not to join FXAW, and it would be more useful to discuss things over in FXAW, so that people like Craig and other FXAW members can join in and assist.

Just my $0.02  :D
Title: Re: FXAW
Post by: jubal on February 13, 2012, 11:14:18 PM
I think what is needed is a full package for newcomers, with downloads for the signal client, Michaels indi, showing how to install and set up both. Then walk through what to look for in a basic sense, finally building up the detail with good (and bad) trade examples. It should be a locked topic which always stays at the top of the main page for easy reference.
Title: Re: FXAW
Post by: art on February 13, 2012, 11:31:01 PM
i echo that jubal
Title: Re: FXAW
Post by: recint on February 14, 2012, 01:52:49 AM
Has anyone tried the Jitterbug or RSI ea?  It also states in the whitepapers that there will be an Etropy Tradebot EA released in December 2011....did this ever come out?
Title: Re: FXAW
Post by: Trader@Home on February 14, 2012, 02:01:41 AM
Has anyone tried the Jitterbug or RSI ea?  It also states in the whitepapers that there will be an Etropy Tradebot EA released in December 2011....did this ever come out?
nope that has been delayed :D but it will come thru :)
Title: Re: FXAW
Post by: Trader@Home on February 14, 2012, 02:35:47 AM
This is classic example of entropy in action with all indicators removed and just showing the currency price on the day of the signal -NOT the entry point - highlighting how accurate this system is at spotting reversal levels, and how not waiting for the exact entry can produce some very profitable trades..
@petersurrey
i think peter you should start your own thread based on h4 and d1 time frames for us to follow, the thread here is getting stuffed with smaller time frame trades which wis confusing the new members..craig says higher time frames are more accurate. so appreciate if you could start your own journal in the trading journal section we can follow the entropy rulz and we can continue posting our trades in your journal. :D this will be like a trading room for entropians ;D
Title: Re: FXAW
Post by: JonnoB on February 14, 2012, 02:39:26 AM
Depending on when you signed up, you can download Jitterbug and Super RSI  from "Custom FXAW Indicators".
Title: Re: FXAW
Post by: e1vis on February 14, 2012, 03:12:38 AM
This is classic example of entropy in action with all indicators removed and just showing the currency price on the day of the signal -NOT the entry point - highlighting how accurate this system is at spotting reversal levels, and how not waiting for the exact entry can produce some very profitable trades..
@petersurrey
i think peter you should start your own thread based on h4 and d1 time frames for us to follow, the thread here is getting stuffed with smaller time frame trades which wis confusing the new members..craig says higher time frames are more accurate. so appreciate if you could start your own journal in the trading journal section we can follow the entropy rulz and we can continue posting our trades in your journal. :D this will be like a trading room for entropians ;D

I don't think it's appropriate to start a trading journal here for a paid signal service, especially one using high time frames. Non-members could very easily utilise the signals, which would be valid even with an hour or so delay in the posts.

On the FXAW forum a journal would be a good idea however. That's the place for it.
Title: Re: FXAW
Post by: Trader@Home on February 14, 2012, 03:20:08 AM
This is classic example of entropy in action with all indicators removed and just showing the currency price on the day of the signal -NOT the entry point - highlighting how accurate this system is at spotting reversal levels, and how not waiting for the exact entry can produce some very profitable trades..
@petersurrey
i think peter you should start your own thread based on h4 and d1 time frames for us to follow, the thread here is getting stuffed with smaller time frame trades which wis confusing the new members..craig says higher time frames are more accurate. so appreciate if you could start your own journal in the trading journal section we can follow the entropy rulz and we can continue posting our trades in your journal. :D this will be like a trading room for entropians ;D

I don't think it's appropriate to start a trading journal here for a paid signal service, especially one using high time frames. Non-members could very easily utilise the signals, which would be valid even with an hour or so delay in the posts.

On the FXAW forum a journal would be a good idea however. That's the place for it.
@elvis
I think you are misquoted. :D i am talking about what they paste here is getting stuffed with mini time frame trade setup results.what i ask peter to do the same what he does on his own journal so that we can follow in the journal section here DFX.so the question of non members utilising the signal will not come across,as the trade set ups will be posted after trade is closed similar to how they do it now. :D
Title: Re: FXAW
Post by: sever on February 14, 2012, 06:28:50 AM
Hey guys

Lets talk and discuss about all of this at the FXAW site and not here. I know CJ and others are more than happy to help.
Title: Re: FXAW
Post by: recint on February 14, 2012, 10:47:55 AM
Depending on when you signed up, you can download Jitterbug and Super RSI  from "Custom FXAW Indicators".

Thanks JonnoB....have you tried either of them?
Title: Re: FXAW
Post by: petersurrey on February 14, 2012, 06:39:55 PM
This is classic example of entropy in action with all indicators removed and just showing the currency price on the day of the signal -NOT the entry point - highlighting how accurate this system is at spotting reversal levels, and how not waiting for the exact entry can produce some very profitable trades..
@petersurrey
i think peter you should start your own thread based on h4 and d1 time frames for us to follow, the thread here is getting stuffed with smaller time frame trades which wis confusing the new members..craig says higher time frames are more accurate. so appreciate if you could start your own journal in the trading journal section we can follow the entropy rulz and we can continue posting our trades in your journal. :D this will be like a trading room for entropians ;D

LOL thanks for the offer, but as I work full time and barely have time to look at charts 22.00 GMT time, I will not be starting another thread. Besides CJ is far too good at this for me to intervene, other than what I currently do. Having said that I think others should seriously look at this and they'll find just how easy it is once you get the basics set up..
Title: Re: FXAW
Post by: JonnoB on February 14, 2012, 07:33:04 PM
Depending on when you signed up, you can download Jitterbug and Super RSI  from "Custom FXAW Indicators".
Thanks JonnoB....have you tried either of them?

Not yet. Still trying to find my feet with Entropy. Some of the signals are so accurate.

Title: Re: FXAW
Post by: Trader@Home on February 15, 2012, 01:27:59 AM
most of us here are waiting for entropy EA, to see a detailed backtest on this to see how the ea survived at least 8-12 years. lots of us will buy it once full analysis is completed.the manual trades are working perfectly could be due to market conditions are just perfect right now :D so i am going to take my word back of subscribing to FXAW and wait for the EA.
Title: Re: FXAW
Post by: jshear on February 15, 2012, 01:56:45 AM
Some SL today but in 4 H4 signals now. I hit SL on 2 H4 signals today. Today was a tough day for Entropy.


Jeff
Title: Re: FXAW
Post by: Trader@Home on February 15, 2012, 02:08:38 AM
Some SL today but in 4 H4 signals now. I hit SL on 2 H4 signals today. Today was a tough day for Entropy.


Jeff
thanks jshear for the update. very sorry to hear of the 2losses.could you put the chart on the 2 losses you suffered to analyse.did you analyse what went wrong with the 2 trades.was it emotions or just the system. :( can you run thru those trades,how was the R:R was it worth taking those tardes.
Title: Re: FXAW
Post by: e1vis on February 15, 2012, 03:22:28 AM
most of us here are waiting for entropy EA, to see a detailed backtest on this to see how the ea survived at least 8-12 years. lots of us will buy it once full analysis is completed.the manual trades are working perfectly could be due to market conditions are just perfect right now :D so i am going to take my word back of subscribing to FXAW and wait for the EA.

I may be wrong but I don't see how the tradebot is going to be something that can ever be backtested. As far as I understand it, the tradebot is not an EA in the traditional sense - it is an advanced signal/trade manager. It will take the entropy signals and, depending on whatever criteria you have entered, it will trade them. It does not generate the signals itself; it will automate the trading process.

As for the signals, they will either come from Craig's server as they do at the moment, or they will come from a separate client program which will be available as a download to full FXAW members. This client program will run on the member's pc/vps and will generate entropy signals from an MT4 feed which will need to be run on the same pc/vps. These signals could then be traded manually or through the tradebot. Again, I'm not sure if this is something that can ever be backtested though -  it may be possible, but that is something that you would need to ask Craig about.

I guess if a record of the signals that are being generated now could be kept somewhere - in a format that can be used by the tradebot - it may somehow be possible to run backtests on those signals, but I can't see how you're ever going to be able to do something like a 5 year backtest in the traditional sense.
Title: Re: FXAW
Post by: Trader@Home on February 15, 2012, 03:46:53 AM
most of us here are waiting for entropy EA, to see a detailed backtest on this to see how the ea survived at least 8-12 years. lots of us will buy it once full analysis is completed.the manual trades are working perfectly could be due to market conditions are just perfect right now :D so i am going to take my word back of subscribing to FXAW and wait for the EA.

I may be wrong but I don't see how the tradebot is going to be something that can ever be backtested. As far as I understand it, the tradebot is not an EA in the traditional sense - it is an advanced signal/trade manager. It will take the entropy signals and, depending on whatever criteria you have entered, it will trade them. It does not generate the signals itself; it will automate the trading process.

As for the signals, they will either come from Craig's server as they do at the moment, or they will come from a separate client program which will be available as a download to full FXAW members. This client program will run on the member's pc/vps and will generate entropy signals from an MT4 feed which will need to be run on the same pc/vps. These signals could then be traded manually or through the tradebot. Again, I'm not sure if this is something that can ever be backtested though -  it may be possible, but that is something that you would need to ask Craig about.

I guess if a record of the signals that are being generated now could be kept somewhere - in a format that can be used by the tradebot - it may somehow be possible to run backtests on those signals, but I can't see how you're ever going to be able to do something like a 5 year backtest in the traditional sense.
Then why this thread is in Commercial EA section :-X
Title: FXAW
Post by: e1vis on February 15, 2012, 04:37:55 AM
most of us here are waiting for entropy EA, to see a detailed backtest on this to see how the ea survived at least 8-12 years. lots of us will buy it once full analysis is completed.the manual trades are working perfectly could be due to market conditions are just perfect right now :D so i am going to take my word back of subscribing to FXAW and wait for the EA.

I may be wrong but I don't see how the tradebot is going to be something that can ever be backtested. As far as I understand it, the tradebot is not an EA in the traditional sense - it is an advanced signal/trade manager. It will take the entropy signals and, depending on whatever criteria you have entered, it will trade them. It does not generate the signals itself; it will automate the trading process.

As for the signals, they will either come from Craig's server as they do at the moment, or they will come from a separate client program which will be available as a download to full FXAW members. This client program will run on the member's pc/vps and will generate entropy signals from an MT4 feed which will need to be run on the same pc/vps. These signals could then be traded manually or through the tradebot. Again, I'm not sure if this is something that can ever be backtested though -  it may be possible, but that is something that you would need to ask Craig about.

I guess if a record of the signals that are being generated now could be kept somewhere - in a format that can be used by the tradebot - it may somehow be possible to run backtests on those signals, but I can't see how you're ever going to be able to do something like a 5 year backtest in the traditional sense.
Then why this thread is in Commercial EA section :-X

Good question :)
Title: Re: FXAW
Post by: Mr Hector on February 15, 2012, 06:59:28 AM
The entropy signals are only a part of FXAW.  Within the package there are 2 or 3 'commercial' EAs. 

I think that most of the members, including myself, prefer manually trading the signals more that using the EAs - personally I haven't even looked at the EAs.

Not sure which section this thread should be in.  Doesn't really make much difference either way.
Title: Re: FXAW
Post by: John Henrik on February 15, 2012, 09:58:47 AM
The entropy signals are only a part of FXAW.  Within the package there are 2 or 3 'commercial' EAs. 

I think that most of the members, including myself, prefer manually trading the signals more that using the EAs - personally I haven't even looked at the EAs.

Not sure which section this thread should be in.  Doesn't really make much difference either way.

Ok so If I figured this out right, you can add Tradebot to the Entropy signals, so the Tradebot simply places all the trades for you?

Just got forum access today, and Im reading it instead of doing the work at school which I should.
Title: Re: FXAW
Post by: moodyman on February 15, 2012, 11:00:14 AM
Can anyone help me with payment through paypal? I tried to send money to blutofx@gmail.com , but i get this error:

" This recipient accepts PayPal payments only through their website. To complete this payment, please go to their website and follow their instructions, or email the recipient for instructions. "
Title: Re: FXAW
Post by: Lima on February 15, 2012, 11:41:06 AM
The entropy signals are only a part of FXAW.  Within the package there are 2 or 3 'commercial' EAs. 

I think that most of the members, including myself, prefer manually trading the signals more that using the EAs - personally I haven't even looked at the EAs.

Not sure which section this thread should be in.  Doesn't really make much difference either way.

Ok so If I figured this out right, you can add Tradebot to the Entropy signals, so the Tradebot simply places all the trades for you?

Just got forum access today, and Im reading it instead of doing the work at school which I should.

Yes John, the tradebot, when it comes should do all for you. But its not yet available. so manual trading in the meantime. Just joined myself and picking my way through the forum. What you need to do is download the signal client and get that running, then download Michaels indicator v3.1.   After that its a matter of identifying a good signal and copying it into Michaels indi via excel. Thats about as far as I've got anyway and I'm trying to understand now which are best signals and exact entry levels. Seems that there are different ways to do that.  Stops and take profits are a bit easier I think. The indicator will give 3 different tp levels, conservative,medium,aggressive. You can take partial profits at each or just go for one level depending on your own thirst for adventure. The stop is identified for you as well but at times it may be necessary to adjust it slightly. For example it could just be on the wrong side of a major support/resistance  line so it would be wise to take this into consideration
Title: Re: FXAW
Post by: Lima on February 15, 2012, 11:43:07 AM
Can anyone help me with payment through paypal? I tried to send money to blutofx@gmail.com , but i get this error:

" This recipient accepts PayPal payments only through their website. To complete this payment, please go to their website and follow their instructions, or email the recipient for instructions. "

Not sure about that. I paid this week and I just entered the payment as normal through paypal to Bluto's email.  Got authorisation within a couple of hours for the forum
Title: Re: FXAW
Post by: Trader@Home on February 15, 2012, 01:05:21 PM
Can anyone help me with payment through paypal? I tried to send money to blutofx@gmail.com , but i get this error:

" This recipient accepts PayPal payments only through their website. To complete this payment, please go to their website and follow their instructions, or email the recipient for instructions. "

Not sure about that. I paid this week and I just entered the payment as normal through paypal to Bluto's email.  Got authorisation within a couple of hours for the forum
Neet to send to this paypal a/c

OasisClearance@Yahoo.com

please recheck with the attachment of the 1st POST. :D
Title: Re: FXAW
Post by: moodyman on February 15, 2012, 01:21:21 PM
Can anyone help me with payment through paypal? I tried to send money to blutofx@gmail.com , but i get this error:

" This recipient accepts PayPal payments only through their website. To complete this payment, please go to their website and follow their instructions, or email the recipient for instructions. "

Not sure about that. I paid this week and I just entered the payment as normal through paypal to Bluto's email.  Got authorisation within a couple of hours for the forum
Neet to send to this paypal a/c

OasisClearance@Yahoo.com

please recheck with the attachment of the 1st POST. :D


Whats that? in attachement is it clearly written to send money through paypal to blutos email.

Does anyone have similar problem with payment?
Title: Re: FXAW
Post by: art on February 15, 2012, 01:51:20 PM
hi guys thought it had gone quite on the other thread, yes i've also had problems with payment,apparently my banks is disputing the direect debit according to pay pal,
Title: Re: FXAW
Post by: art on February 15, 2012, 01:55:18 PM
i sent payment to the oasis address according to instructions is that incorrect?
Title: Re: FXAW
Post by: art on February 15, 2012, 02:17:26 PM
thanks for that captain, all a bit confusing, where did the oasis@yahoo address come from then?  anyway i will sort it,  also, can someone clarify, when i copy the trades to excel and put a trade on the platform  the white line which gives the trade entry is totally different to the tsz high, for instance i took a long position on the gbpcad yesterday 4 hour chart, the tsz high was 15692, the white line was giving 15662, where  i placed the trade, at the moment the price is 15622, so where should i have placed the trade?, also when i see a basket of trades which line do i copy to excel, assuming its a bull signal do i choose the highest TSZ high price or the lowest, hope all this makes sense cheers


Title: Re: FXAW
Post by: Trader@Home on February 15, 2012, 02:56:14 PM
This is where i found about his PAYPAL account. :D
Title: Re: FXAW
Post by: art on February 15, 2012, 02:58:26 PM
cheers captain much appreciated, took a long gbpusd 15 minute, took it up to to second target only 20 pips but it was 15 minute chart
Title: Re: FXAW
Post by: art on February 15, 2012, 02:59:57 PM
thats exactly what i did trader
Title: Re: FXAW
Post by: Trader@Home on February 15, 2012, 03:00:51 PM
This is where i found about his PAYPAL account. :D
i guess he has 2 accounts ??? now i dont know which one is correct :-[
Title: Re: FXAW
Post by: Trader@Home on February 15, 2012, 03:02:48 PM
thats exactly what i did trader
you may inform craig thru his gmail emailid. :D,you should be fine as long as he confirms either one paypal ids :D
Title: Re: FXAW
Post by: Lima on February 15, 2012, 03:14:11 PM
Quote
also, can someone clarify, when i copy the trades to excel and put a trade on the platform  the white line which gives the trade entry is totally different to the tsz high, for instance i took a long position on the gbpcad yesterday 4 hour chart, the tsz high was 15692, the white line was giving 15662, where  i placed the trade, at the moment the price is 15622, so where should i have placed the trade?, also when i see a basket of trades which line do i copy to excel, assuming its a bull signal do i choose the highest TSZ high price or the lowest, hope all this makes sense cheers

I was a bit stumped with this too but after re-reading the white paper its starting to make a bit more sense. Of course in the white paper Craig doesnt mention the use of Michaels indicator as this has been added by Michael purely as an aid and not officially part of the system. Anyway,basically what you should do is if you have maybe 4 or 5 different vectors, is firstly ignore any that are  largely different from the rest. Out of the remaining 3 or 4 vectors which are hopefully quite similar, you pick the highest TSZ and the lowest TSZ. ( they may be on different lines). If it is a bull signal then you use the initial stop for the low TSZ you selected and you enter on break of the high TSZ. Just do opposite for bear signal.  I'm still a bit stuck on the other question you asked about which line to copy to excel. Obviously if you copy one specific line you arent following the rules properly. What you probably can do is copy one line with either the best high or low and then manually change the the other value when you paste it into the indicator, if you get my drift. There may well be another way of doing it but I'm not sure. maybe CJ or other experienced user can first of all verify all I've said as being correct and then tell us the answer
Title: Re: FXAW
Post by: John Henrik on February 15, 2012, 03:28:05 PM
Im confused on which trades to pick.

I see all theese Bear and bull candle selections. And im stearing away from 01 and 02.
Im also only doing H4 and H1 atm because the pdf file said so :D

anyway, lets say I see 4 diffrent BULLS on an X pair. 04, 05, 07 and 10.

All theese 4 have diffrent Entries and TP points. Do I always trade with the biggest number? in this case the Bull-10 ?

Also, many orders are limits, and some are stops. Is it supposed to rally back to the limit target for an entry?

Im doing everything on a demo ofc :)

Title: Re: FXAW
Post by: art on February 15, 2012, 03:33:15 PM
captain i have exactly the same info as trader, ie transfer funds to the oasis@yahoo address, conflicting info obviously
Title: Re: FXAW
Post by: blutofx on February 15, 2012, 03:58:00 PM
Folks - sorry about any confusion here concerning the correct Paypal address.  I really didn't want for that type of matter to be of any concern here in Donna's forum, but the correct address is in fact OasisClearance@Yahoo.com and I had updated the invitation document I sent to new member prospects to that effect.  I had several Paypal accounts and decided that I wanted to preserve the blutofx account for only eBay activities, etc.  I overlooked the fact that the original invitation doc referencing blutofx@gmail.com had been posted here.  I will attempt to get the original poster to attach the corrected invitation document.

Craig (bluto)
Title: Re: FXAW
Post by: art on February 15, 2012, 04:29:19 PM
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All individuals interested in gaining an edge in their Forex trading are welcome to join FXAW. In the spirit of giving something back to the less fortunate folks in the world, a nominal one-time only membership fee of $299 USD is collected in return for lifetime membership in FXAW, access to the FXAW web-site and web forum, and all of the custom trading tools mentioned in this document. This also includes access to all future EA’s, indicators and tools devel-oped by Bluto, upgrades to existing tools, and tools shared by other members. Membership fees are collected and remitted periodically as partially charitable contributions to several well known and worthwhile international relief agencies and to also offset costs of running the FXAW forum and website.
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Title: Re: FXAW
Post by: art on February 15, 2012, 04:32:14 PM
sorry guys tried to send  the section on the page re where to send funds, sent the whole page in error, sorry but you can see at the bottom funds should be sent to oasis@yahoo
Title: Re: FXAW
Post by: Lima on February 15, 2012, 04:37:30 PM
Im confused on which trades to pick.

I see all theese Bear and bull candle selections. And im stearing away from 01 and 02.
Im also only doing H4 and H1 atm because the pdf file said so :D

anyway, lets say I see 4 diffrent BULLS on an X pair. 04, 05, 07 and 10.

All theese 4 have diffrent Entries and TP points. Do I always trade with the biggest number? in this case the Bull-10 ?

Also, many orders are limits, and some are stops. Is it supposed to rally back to the limit target for an entry?

Im doing everything on a demo ofc :)

John, please check back to previous page post#388. I answered your question, hopefully correctly, and if not someone please correct me.
Title: Re: FXAW
Post by: art on February 15, 2012, 04:42:20 PM
usdcad took profit at first target,long :-*
Title: Re: FXAW
Post by: moodyman on February 15, 2012, 05:43:23 PM
Just sent money by paypal to oasis mail and it tells me, that payment was sent to Robert Seifert...who is that?
Title: Re: FXAW
Post by: Lima on February 15, 2012, 06:29:02 PM
When I paid last week using blutos email the payment went to Clark Farabaugh??
Title: Re: FXAW
Post by: blutofx on February 15, 2012, 06:33:02 PM
Just sent money by paypal to oasis mail and it tells me, that payment was sent to Robert Seifert...who is that?

moodyman - Mr. Seifert is one of my two business partners. 

Folks - I think it would best if you would direct any concerns or questions regarding administrative matters pertaining to FXAW membership, Entropy Trading System, Paypal, etc. directly to me at my email address of blutofx@gmail.com  I'd really prefer not to clutter up Donna's nice forum here with that type of stuff.  As for functional inquires about Entropy which is what this thread is about, I pop in here fairly often and I'll attempt to answer any questions that anyone may have about Entropy or any of the other FXAW trading tools.

Warmest regards,
Craig (bluto)
Title: Re: FXAW
Post by: recint on February 15, 2012, 07:08:38 PM
Just sent money by paypal to oasis mail and it tells me, that payment was sent to Robert Seifert...who is that?

moodyman - Mr. Seifert is one of my two business partners. 

Folks - I think it would best if you would direct any concerns or questions regarding administrative matters pertaining to FXAW membership, Entropy Trading System, Paypal, etc. directly to me at my email address of blutofx@gmail.com  I'd really prefer not to clutter up Donna's nice forum here with that type of stuff.  As for functional inquires about Entropy which is what this thread is about, I pop in here fairly often and I'll attempt to answer any questions that anyone may have about Entropy or any of the other FXAW trading tools.

Warmest regards,
Craig (bluto)

Hi Craig,

     When is the Entropy EA coming out ?
Title: Re: FXAW
Post by: Steve Cole on February 15, 2012, 10:15:32 PM
Trade update....EURNZD for Jubal...

CJ



Hi CJ


Are you able to post any screen shots of the EUR/USD or GBP/USD? I am curious to see what does look like, if not its no problem,

Title: Re: FXAW
Post by: jubal on February 15, 2012, 10:41:11 PM
Trade update....EURNZD for Jubal...

CJ

thanks for that CJ. so it seems that trade worked out perfectly and shows very well how entropy works. Caught a nice little retracement in the down trend. Good stuff!!  I have entered 6 trades since last night. One daily and the rest 4 hours. All in profit, some close to tp2. and at breakeven. Entered a daily pending tonight on EURGBP  Sort of getting the hang of it. Havent looked at lower timeframes yet. just feeling my way
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: jamestan1978 on February 15, 2012, 11:46:00 PM
Quite a disaster lately, huge drawdown... I must have taken bad signals... But then again I pick mostly high vector trades..
Hope Craig doesn't delay the tradebot anymore.
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: Steve Cole on February 16, 2012, 12:44:45 AM
Quite a disaster lately, huge drawdown... I must have taken bad signals... But then again I pick mostly high vector trades..
Hope Craig doesn't delay the tradebot anymore.


Yes, I read on the Link below where JShear mention some big losses too. On post 365

I wish people would post pictures of the losses as fast as they post the winners.

http://www.donnaforex.com/forum/index.php?topic=5031.360
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: jamestan1978 on February 16, 2012, 01:20:21 AM
issue is entropy is not a straight forward piece of sftware... and its on beta version.. so......

Actually the software looks abit like a zigzag indicator on higher time frames.... but a more complicated version....
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: Trader@Home on February 16, 2012, 01:38:10 AM
issue is entropy is not a straight forward piece of sftware... and its on beta version.. so......

Actually the software looks abit like a zigzag indicator on higher time frames.... but a more complicated version....
Though i m yet to subscribe to the FXAW forum,shall appreciate if you could explain why those trades were entered so we can learn from mistake. :D
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: jshear on February 16, 2012, 01:38:25 AM
Yes heavy losses but I am strictly on demo. Too many losses past few days to count and no wins. Lets see what we get the next few weeks. I am not going to say I don't like it till I do more testing. So far its not blowing me away yet. I hope the next few weeks are better.

Jeff
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: Trader@Home on February 16, 2012, 01:39:40 AM
I think best way to learn would be to subscribe, and make pictures of the entry set ups and post them with details,as to why the trades were entered.
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: jshear on February 16, 2012, 01:40:27 AM
One issue I see is entry price is based on a basket of signals with best entry and farthest stop loss. The indicator is only based on one entry signal the problem with that is based on Craigs white paper  you are suppose to enter based on a basket of signals and use the combination of prices to set you entry price. So following a signal based on one signal is not proper


Jeff :)
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: jshear on February 16, 2012, 01:43:11 AM
If you look at the entry on this trade at 1.22219 and the SL at 1.21710 this is based on 1 4hr signal line. As you can see by my chart it hit SL.


Jeff
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: Trader@Home on February 16, 2012, 01:44:06 AM
Yes heavy losses but I am strictly on demo. Too many losses past few days to count and no wins. Lets see what we get the next few weeks. I am not going to say I don't like it till I do more testing. So far its not blowing me away yet. I hope the next few weeks are better.

Jeff
Hi Jeff,

were you overtrading, were you following the signals on higher timeframes, were the RR factor way off. these are some of the questions i have.my concern for you is that why other FXAW members do not talk about the losses you incurred if they do talk did you ask why those entries were not taken by them.it could be they did not take those setups for some reason or they missed the signal.lastly what currency pairs you trade.i think entropy does well on JPY, CAD and CHF cross pairs.any success rates on each pair.so that we can stick only to those pairs.

regards
T@H
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: jshear on February 16, 2012, 01:45:46 AM
This one example is a good risk reward. No I am not over trading I am taking only ones with high vectors and H4 or Daily signals with confluence of many multiple signals. This signal had them all but hit SL. Why others are not speaking about losses I don't know?? I am being as honest as possible and speaking of wins and losses. Today there were 4 losses and no wins for me. A few days ago I hit a few wins. Let see what tomorrow brings.



Jeff
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: Trader@Home on February 16, 2012, 01:51:20 AM
If you look at the entry on this trade at 1.22219 and the SL at 1.21710 this is based on 1 4hr signal line. As you can see by my chart it hit SL.


Jeff
many thanks for sharing the screen shots. +rep to you. :D
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: Trader@Home on February 16, 2012, 01:56:57 AM
This one example is a good risk reward. No I am not over trading I am taking only ones with high vectors and H4 or Daily signals with confluence of many multiple signals. This signal had them all but hit SL. Why others are not speaking about losses I don't know?? I am being as honest as possible and speaking of wins and losses. Today there were 4 losses and no wins for me. A few days ago I hit a few wins. Let see what tomorrow brings.



Jeff
jeff

if the accuracy is 85% and your risk reward factor is reasonably ok,i think you will be longterm all right, by sticking to few pairs you are comfortable with.try to find out through craig which pairs has high accuracy,perhaps he would be ready to help.we are just waiting for the EA to come-out and pretty sure craig will lend atleast 1 EA to review by forum members. :D take care/GL :) thanks for being honest appreciate it very much. :D
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: jamestan1978 on February 16, 2012, 03:58:47 AM
Its a culture in the forum board.... only good things are said... bad things are usually ignore or responded with "you must know price action, you cant just enter base on the signal, the signal are just confimation and its still evaluation phase...there are losses in every system its not a holy grail.. bla bla bla.."

well true in some sense....

This one example is a good risk reward. No I am not over trading I am taking only ones with high vectors and H4 or Daily signals with confluence of many multiple signals. This signal had them all but hit SL. Why others are not speaking about losses I don't know?? I am being as honest as possible and speaking of wins and losses. Today there were 4 losses and no wins for me. A few days ago I hit a few wins. Let see what tomorrow brings.



Jeff
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: cb75 on February 16, 2012, 04:11:47 AM
 I have been running the signals on a live account since signing up a week ago. It is very easy to get confused with hundreds of signals going off all the time, I made a decision to only trade 3:1 r/r trades or higher. Have done 30min to 1 day signals based on r:r and vector >5... higher makes me pay more attention to it.
 First 2 days netted over 200 pips, and I was pulling out of postive trades early as I was doubtful they would have hit their marks (wrong move, would have done over double the pips). Also doing 1 lots on an unknown system was a bit foolish.
 This week (until today) the signals have been a bit off, I can only think that the Moodys downgrade and Greek situation is playing a bit of havoc - but if you check the charts now the signals are in the money. Have made up my losses earlier this week already.
 I have also learnt not to enter trades early! The guidelines set by Craig regarding the signals should be followed (even that part about signals being x bars early). Placing trades early to get a better r:r only made me hit s/l more often.
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: Trader@Home on February 16, 2012, 04:46:51 AM
I have been running the signals on a live account since signing up a week ago. It is very easy to get confused with hundreds of signals going off all the time, I made a decision to only trade 3:1 r/r trades or higher. Have done 30min to 1 day signals based on r:r and vector >5... higher makes me pay more attention to it.
 First 2 days netted over 200 pips, and I was pulling out of postive trades early as I was doubtful they would have hit their marks (wrong move, would have done over double the pips). Also doing 1 lots on an unknown system was a bit foolish.
 This week (until today) the signals have been a bit off, I can only think that the Moodys downgrade and Greek situation is playing a bit of havoc - but if you check the charts now the signals are in the money. Have made up my losses earlier this week already.
 I have also learnt not to enter trades early! The guidelines set by Craig regarding the signals should be followed (even that part about signals being x bars early). Placing trades early to get a better r:r only made me hit s/l more often.
thanks for sharing..appreciate you feedback.yes like many manual systems out there, its easy for one to get carried away due to being greedy or lack of experience to enter into a trade so quickly to get a good entry price and loose on the whole trade later.thats one of the lessons we all should learn.
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: Trader@Home on February 16, 2012, 04:47:23 AM
+rep added CB ;)
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: art on February 16, 2012, 09:07:53 AM
i have been testing this all week, so i have had a few losses, but thats probably because i was'nt using the system correctly, but yesterday had a few winners and my long gbpcad trade is about to hit target, so its a bit early for me to make a real assessment,
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: art on February 16, 2012, 09:09:48 AM
all i know is the euro is taking a hammering this morning, so my long pending order to go long last night will be deleted
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: jubal on February 16, 2012, 09:13:56 AM
Quote
I have entered 6 trades since last night. One daily and the rest 4 hours. All in profit, some close to tp2. and at breakeven. Entered a daily pending tonight on EURGBP  Sort of getting the hang of it. Havent looked at lower timeframes yet. just feeling my way

The trades I took in this post yesterday are my first with the system. Results for these 6 trades are 4 wins, going for medium tp. 2 losses. BUT the losses are my own fault. Both trades were pips positive so before I went to bed I tightened the stops. So they got taken out. If I had left them running with original stop one of them would be +12 pips and the other +50. The daily trade placed last night hasnt yet triggered. Sorry no screenshots. I'll try and do some from here on. I'm really only looking at 4hr and daily as per Craigs recommendation
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: Trader@Home on February 16, 2012, 11:31:19 AM
Quote
I have entered 6 trades since last night. One daily and the rest 4 hours. All in profit, some close to tp2. and at breakeven. Entered a daily pending tonight on EURGBP  Sort of getting the hang of it. Havent looked at lower timeframes yet. just feeling my way

The trades I took in this post yesterday are my first with the system. Results for these 6 trades are 4 wins, going for medium tp. 2 losses. BUT the losses are my own fault. Both trades were pips positive so before I went to bed I tightened the stops. So they got taken out. If I had left them running with original stop one of them would be +12 pips and the other +50. The daily trade placed last night hasnt yet triggered. Sorry no screenshots. I'll try and do some from here on. I'm really only looking at 4hr and daily as per Craigs recommendation
why did you tighten your SL is it because RR factor you were not satisfied,could tell us what the initial SL level and your medium PT level so that we understand. :D you are becoming thunderously miser :P to tighten that extra pips in your favour. :)
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: jubal on February 16, 2012, 11:40:41 AM
Quote
I have entered 6 trades since last night. One daily and the rest 4 hours. All in profit, some close to tp2. and at breakeven. Entered a daily pending tonight on EURGBP  Sort of getting the hang of it. Havent looked at lower timeframes yet. just feeling my way

The trades I took in this post yesterday are my first with the system. Results for these 6 trades are 4 wins, going for medium tp. 2 losses. BUT the losses are my own fault. Both trades were pips positive so before I went to bed I tightened the stops. So they got taken out. If I had left them running with original stop one of them would be +12 pips and the other +50. The daily trade placed last night hasnt yet triggered. Sorry no screenshots. I'll try and do some from here on. I'm really only looking at 4hr and daily as per Craigs recommendation
why did you tighten your SL is it because RR factor you were not satisfied,could tell us what the initial SL level and your medium PT level so that we understand. :D you are becoming thunderously miser :P to tighten that extra pips in your favour. :)

Reason I tightened the stops was I read somewhere else that a user puts stops to breakeven at +20 pips. This seems a bit tight to me but the 2 trades that lost were both positive by about 25 pips. So I pulled the stops in from around 70/80 pips to 20 pips, giving each trade about 45pips breathing space. As I said it didnt work out and I got stopped on both.  The tp profit levels on the winning trades I took were all around 70/80 pips. Thats going for the medium tp. There is a more conservative tp level and a more aggressive one. As I'm only learning I just went for middle ground. With more experience I will probably scale out and go for all 3 levels
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: Steve Cole on February 16, 2012, 01:05:33 PM
This one example is a good risk reward. No I am not over trading I am taking only ones with high vectors and H4 or Daily signals with confluence of many multiple signals. This signal had them all but hit SL. Why others are not speaking about losses I don't know?? I am being as honest as possible and speaking of wins and losses. Today there were 4 losses and no wins for me. A few days ago I hit a few wins. Let see what tomorrow brings.



Jeff



Jeff


Thank you for POSTING the Losing trades, at least someone is honest enough to post them, like I said all I hear about are the wins, when the losses happen NO ONE expect you as of this date has dare even mention them!!

rep given
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: Trader@Home on February 16, 2012, 02:08:47 PM
thanks jubal,

always great to hear from some one who actually uses the system.and we learn from them too :D its a matter of time we subscribe to this new method of trading.and to be comfortable with our RR levels and stick to it.and to narrow down the no of pairs we trade so we will come to know their behavior in the market.its good to try 2-3 pairs only at the initial stage.what happens to most traders including me that we get carried away after few weeks and few winnings.and try to trade too many.
 :D
So Entropians GL trade safe wish you more pips coming days ;)
always great to be here
Happy Trader
T@H 8)
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: odysseus11 on February 16, 2012, 02:57:03 PM
The thing about Entropy is that people really need to keep in mind 2 very important things that Craig himself has stressed over and over again:

1) Entropy is *not* a finished product. it is in BETA. The signals are simply broadcast, in rough form. Their interpretation and application is still very much a subjective exercise, and people like Captain Jack may be more able to USE them and trade at this point more effectively than others. Personally, a few weeks back when I was trying to trade the signals myself, I decided to just wait until the tradebot is released, because it will enter upon my criteria and more importantly intelligently trail positions - in other words, it will assist in my APPLICATION of the signals, and that is important I believe. So please, try and refrain from JUDGING results based on this BETA. They dont accurately reflect what we can expect with the tradebot.

2) Craig keeps telling us OVER AND OVER that we really should NOT be trying to combine the Entropy signals with other forms of TA, S&D zones, or whatever. Clearly, however, he means that for when the tradebot is available and we have a full Entropy auto-trade method running. So I feel like although people like Captain Jack may have a point when they talk about knowing and using standard S&D and other things like "basic knowledge", those are subjective and will be unnecessary soon, so why muddy the waters with it now?

Finally, Steve, you need to accept that the FXAW members trumpeting Entropy do so out of very sincere belief in Craig and in Entropy potential. I am a believer myself. HOWEVER, it is *still* a not-fully-baked cake, there ARE SL's (and always will be), and it *is* in beta very clearly. I dont see anyone being dishonest. I think you may misconstrue what is sincere enthusiam. And remember, we are *not* affiliates, there is literally nothing in this for any of us financially, those of us here that are promoting FXAW are doing it ONLY because we want to include our fellow retail traders here that are as oppressed as we are by the big guys!

Having said that, the minute the tradebot is released I will be confidently using it, and will be CERTAIN that it will be profitable for me over the long haul.
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: art on February 16, 2012, 03:18:30 PM
good post odysseus
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: jubal on February 16, 2012, 03:27:32 PM
Dont want to be ganging up on you here Steve but you have got it wrong with this. I have only made a few trades ( demo, of course), all 6 trades taken could have have been winners but I got my own strategy wrong and ended up with 2 x 20 pip losers. I have decided to concentrate on trading 4 hour and daily only, but I am also monitoring lower timeframes and believe me this system is amazinlgly accurate. But as Odysseus pointed out it is not a finished article. Release of v1.4 is imminent which will help and the tradebot planned for later. The tone in this thread has been good so far so please dont spoil things with wild accusations or negativity. After less than 1 week with this system I truly believe that it has the potential to make anyone who uses it good money. For people like me learning I want more users to come here and post, people like Captain Jack who spends a lot of time helping others. I dont want them to feel this is a hostile environment when there is no just cause. And if I get losing trades I will post them if possible,  if only to get help and understand where I went wrong
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: Steve Cole on February 16, 2012, 03:32:53 PM
This one example is a good risk reward. No I am not over trading I am taking only ones with high vectors and H4 or Daily signals with confluence of many multiple signals. This signal had them all but hit SL. Why others are not speaking about losses I don't know?? I am being as honest as possible and speaking of wins and losses. Today there were 4 losses and no wins for me. A few days ago I hit a few wins. Let see what tomorrow brings.



Jeff



Jeff


Thank you for POSTING the Losing trades, at least someone is honest enough to post them, like I said all I hear about are the wins, when the losses happen NO ONE expect you as of this date has dare even mention them!!

rep given

I'd like you to elaborate on this Steve. Specifically, this part: "at least someone is honest enough to post them". Are you implying that their is deception of dishonesty on the part of others here, in their representation of Entropy?? Please give specific examples of such to back up your accusations.

All you have to do is go back and read my posts from the beginning. I've talked about trades that have stopped out several times in past postings. As far as your statement about people only posting winning trades.... The trades I post are LIVE trades. They are not pictures of "winning" trades. How can you know the outcome of a live trade you just posted?? Go back and read my posts and see how many LIVE trades posted here were winners or losers. How many were stopped out for loses. Then come back and post some facts to back up these accusations of DISHONESTY in this thread.

I can't teach you to trade. You can't follow a signal blindly. I tell people NOT TO TRADE LIVE until they understand these signals as well as I do. But that doesn't stop people from making poor trades, that they blame on the signals.

#1. Signals appear 3-6 bars EARLY. If people would read and do some DD on the signals they would know this. If you are considering a D1 signal, then you better understand the conditions for taking this signal may not occur for 3-6 bars, or in this case 3 to 6 days! No immediately upon reception of the signal.

If you think you just take a signal and trade it blindly, you better look elsewhere. I work hard at what I do and my trades reflect this. Entropy is a reversal, counter trend trading system. When you take a counter trend signal, that is going against a well established trend, your timing better be right. I can't teach basics like support and resistance, or basic trend lines but you better know and understand those before you trade. If you don't, then you better stick with an EA that's going to make these decisions for you.

Please post your facts to support your accusations or retract them.

CJ



I was not suggesting anything dishonest about the system or this thread I was clearly stating which is obviously in over abundance that there are more people reporting winning trades then they are people reporting losses that is crystal-clear to see


PS: I will retract nothing, furthermore I do not need you to teach how me to trade, but if you like I can teach you, but the point is obvious in this thread like all others wins are reported extremely fast and losses are reported extremely slow and just because you report some the losses the majority of the people who post wins fail miserably at reporting their losses. That is clear.

If the system is followed right or wrong is not my concern, the point I made was if you report 10 winning trades , then report the 10 losing trades just as fast, or follow your own FXAW rules and report it on that forum and post no pictures or discussion here, That is the FXAW rule rule right? if so then just follow then
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: Steve Cole on February 16, 2012, 03:47:11 PM
The thing about Entropy is that people really need to keep in mind 2 very important things that Craig himself has stressed over and over again:

1) Entropy is *not* a finished product. it is in BETA. The signals are simply broadcast, in rough form. Their interpretation and application is still very much a subjective exercise, and people like Captain Jack may be more able to USE them and trade at this point more effectively than others. Personally, a few weeks back when I was trying to trade the signals myself, I decided to just wait until the tradebot is released, because it will enter upon my criteria and more importantly intelligently trail positions - in other words, it will assist in my APPLICATION of the signals, and that is important I believe. So please, try and refrain from JUDGING results based on this BETA. They dont accurately reflect what we can expect with the tradebot.

2) Craig keeps telling us OVER AND OVER that we really should NOT be trying to combine the Entropy signals with other forms of TA, S&D zones, or whatever. Clearly, however, he means that for when the tradebot is available and we have a full Entropy auto-trade method running. So I feel like although people like Captain Jack may have a point when they talk about knowing and using standard S&D and other things like "basic knowledge", those are subjective and will be unnecessary soon, so why muddy the waters with it now?

Finally, Steve, you need to accept that the FXAW members trumpeting Entropy do so out of very sincere belief in Craig and in Entropy potential. I am a believer myself. HOWEVER, it is *still* a not-fully-baked cake, there ARE SL's (and always will be), and it *is* in beta very clearly. I dont see anyone being dishonest. I think you may misconstrue what is sincere enthusiam. And remember, we are *not* affiliates, there is literally nothing in this for any of us financially, those of us here that are promoting FXAW are doing it ONLY because we want to include our fellow retail traders here that are as oppressed as we are by the big guys!

Having said that, the minute the tradebot is released I will be confidently using it, and will be CERTAIN that it will be profitable for me over the long haul.


odysseus11


I understand and again I was not saying that the system or thread is or was dishonest, what I said Jeff was honest enough to post the lose, before I even ask for a pic of a lose, no one answered and anyone can do simple math and see that the reports of wins out number the reports of loss, until FXAW members start reporting the losses, not me then all I did was thank Jeff for his honesty for posting , very few have even mention losses, read the post there is nothing more or nothing less that I worte, now if people want to take it out of context or get insulted by such a simple post of thanks to Jeff , then they got a problem
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: John Henrik on February 16, 2012, 04:56:45 PM
The manual says "we will use the TSZ High as our trade entry price point for placement of our Pending Buy Order(s)."

Q: Does people place the order above the High? to confirm additional breakout?
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: sponn on February 16, 2012, 05:07:42 PM
The manual says "we will use the TSZ High as our trade entry price point for placement of our Pending Buy Order(s)."

Q: Does people for place the order above the High? to confirm additional breakout?
A little above TSZ_high or a little below TSZ-Low (long/short trades).
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: jubal on February 16, 2012, 06:28:29 PM
The manual says "we will use the TSZ High as our trade entry price point for placement of our Pending Buy Order(s)."

Q: Does people for place the order above the High? to confirm additional breakout?
A little above TSZ_high or a little below TSZ-Low (long/short trades).

Also you should be adding the spread to BUY entries. And add spread to tp and stop loss on SELL entries
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: art on February 16, 2012, 06:58:14 PM
hi guys, one thing i need to get clear, taken a few trades today on the lower time frames and  hit target on most, i have been taking the trades  when they appear, when i place the chosen trade on the chart using michaels indi, the signal line is quite a few bars ahead, my broker is GMT, so should i be waiting for the bar to reach the michaels signal line before i place the trade, if i had done that today i would have missed out on a few winners  your thoughts cheers
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: John Henrik on February 16, 2012, 07:17:12 PM
heres the first H4 trade I've taken.

I got triggered in, then it rallied back up and barely touched the stop which i put to 78.95. Was probably to close. But hey, first trade.

I typed in the highest TSZ and the Lowest TSZ.

I put the entry 3 pips below the TSZ low.

Thoughts?
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: jshear on February 16, 2012, 07:59:27 PM
Today's GU trade!!


Jeff :)
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: art on February 16, 2012, 08:54:36 PM
i took the gbpusd trade today on the 15 minute,  at 1pm  gmt, at 156 67  and took 31 pips
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: jubal on February 16, 2012, 10:23:44 PM
hi guys, one thing i need to get clear, taken a few trades today on the lower time frames and  hit target on most, i have been taking the trades  when they appear, when i place the chosen trade on the chart using michaels indi, the signal line is quite a few bars ahead, my broker is GMT, so should i be waiting for the bar to reach the michaels signal line before i place the trade, if i had done that today i would have missed out on a few winners  your thoughts cheers

Art, bear in mind Michaels indicator is just an aid set up by a user of the system. Its not part of Craigs strategy. I'm sure its coded pretty well though and shouldnt be too far out, but you should be using discretion entering. Check if Michaels entry ties in with what you would use manually yourself. As Captain Jack pointed out this system is predictive rather than reactive as most indicators. I think its a matter of watching closely how it behaves
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: art on February 16, 2012, 10:37:41 PM
fair comment jubal
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: petersurrey on February 16, 2012, 10:50:53 PM
heres the first H4 trade I've taken.

I got triggered in, then it rallied back up and barely touched the stop which i put to 78.95. Was probably to close. But hey, first trade.

I typed in the highest TSZ and the Lowest TSZ.

I put the entry 3 pips below the TSZ low.

Thoughts?

Very unlucky to be stopped out on this one by just a pip or so - my thoughts are to add up to,say, 10 pips to the stop level which appears to be very tight at times..
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: John Henrik on February 17, 2012, 02:47:31 PM
heres the first H4 trade I've taken.

I got triggered in, then it rallied back up and barely touched the stop which i put to 78.95. Was probably to close. But hey, first trade.

I typed in the highest TSZ and the Lowest TSZ.

I put the entry 3 pips below the TSZ low.

Thoughts?

Very unlucky to be stopped out on this one by just a pip or so - my thoughts are to add up to,say, 10 pips to the stop level which appears to be very tight at times..

Some place in a thread I cant remember, I read "Never re enter the same trade" unless u get additional breakout etc. Cant remember the rules excactly. Looking at the USDJPY im glad i didnt Short myself again.

heres my EurGPB.
Think im getting the catch of this now.
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: jshear on February 17, 2012, 03:21:55 PM
Here is a nice little AUD trade today for some nice pips!!


Jeff
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: Steve Cole on February 17, 2012, 03:29:00 PM
Here is a nice little CAD trade today for some nice pips!!


Jeff


Jeff


How much of that move was aided by the strong CAD CPI today? looking at your screen shot seem like the bulk of the move happen around news time in favor of the USD/CAD short
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: jshear on February 17, 2012, 04:06:37 PM
Sorry my mistake it was an AUD trade today!!

Jeff
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: Steve Cole on February 17, 2012, 04:20:49 PM
Sorry my mistake it was an AUD trade today!!

Jeff


No Problem, the USD/CAD Short trade still worked out
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: jubal on February 17, 2012, 04:41:29 PM
Only taken one trade today. On USDCAD 4hr. Entered @ 0.99635
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: Trader@Home on February 18, 2012, 01:39:46 AM
Only taken one trade today. On USDCAD 4hr. Entered @ 0.99635
hi jubal i m wondering after seeing your chart did a signal occur for similar trade ion the 15th. Feb. i see the pull back to the profit target on that day. :D
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: art on February 18, 2012, 08:24:14 AM
 1 was'nt around yesterday so no trades, but i am long usdcad, so i'm a bit confused jubal got a short usdcad trade,  my trade opened at 16 00  yesterday, i will monitor all trades as from next week now i've sort of got the hang of it i think, also whats happened to captain jack, has someone pissed him off?
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: jubal on February 18, 2012, 10:03:33 AM
Only taken one trade today. On USDCAD 4hr. Entered @ 0.99635
hi jubal i m wondering after seeing your chart did a signal occur for similar trade ion the 15th. Feb. i see the pull back to the profit target on that day. :D

T@H,  it may well have happened on 15th. Signals can repeat and each are valid
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: jubal on February 18, 2012, 10:04:49 AM
1 was'nt around yesterday so no trades, but i am long usdcad, so i'm a bit confused jubal got a short usdcad trade,  my trade opened at 16 00  yesterday, i will monitor all trades as from next week now i've sort of got the hang of it i think, also whats happened to captain jack, has someone pissed him off?

Art,  look at the chart again.  I am long, not short
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: Steve Cole on February 18, 2012, 12:05:26 PM
1 was'nt around yesterday so no trades, but i am long usdcad, so i'm a bit confused jubal got a short usdcad trade,  my trade opened at 16 00  yesterday, i will monitor all trades as from next week now i've sort of got the hang of it i think, also whats happened to captain jack, has someone pissed him off?

Art,  look at the chart again.  I am long, not short


I think were Art may have gotten confused , is that before you post your 4 hr USD/CAD Long trade, Jeff posted a USD/CAD Short trade but on a 15 min chart

Which after I saw it, I asked if the down move since he was Short ( Post 442) was not caused by the Better CPI numbers for the CAD. Anyways just goes to show that it looks like within the same time period , but on different time frame of charts users can have a Short and Long at the same time, or at least according to your 4 hr Long and Jeff’s 15 min short.

But you both made money and that good.
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: jubal on February 18, 2012, 06:19:44 PM
Quote
But you both made money and that good.

I didnt.  My trade is still active
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: Steve Cole on February 18, 2012, 06:48:41 PM
Quote
But you both made money and that good.

I didnt.  My trade is still active


Oh, maybe that strong CAD CPI news got in your way, hopefully you will reach your first TP  ;D
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: Steve Cole on February 20, 2012, 09:44:43 AM
Only taken one trade today. On USDCAD 4hr. Entered @ 0.99635
hi jubal i m wondering after seeing your chart did a signal occur for similar trade ion the 15th. Feb. i see the pull back to the profit target on that day. :D


Looks like someone started a MyFXBook on this system, But without the EA with the entry and exit rules hard coded in, it would be truly hard to know if the trader is following the rules correctly , but the link is below for anyone to see

http://www.myfxbook.com/members/PippinToTheTop/entropy-tp/244991
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: jubal on February 20, 2012, 10:32:25 AM
Only taken one trade today. On USDCAD 4hr. Entered @ 0.99635
hi jubal i m wondering after seeing your chart did a signal occur for similar trade ion the 15th. Feb. i see the pull back to the profit target on that day. :D


Looks like someone started a MyFXBook on this system, But without the EA with the entry and exit rules hard coded in, it would be truly hard to know if the trader is following the rules correctly , but the link is below for anyone to see

http://www.myfxbook.com/members/PippinToTheTop/entropy-tp/244991

Link doesnt seem to work  Steve.   Also i'm still in the CAd trade from last week. The gap down didnt help but we'll see how it recovers. Nothing taken yet today
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: Steve Cole on February 20, 2012, 10:52:24 AM
Only taken one trade today. On USDCAD 4hr. Entered @ 0.99635
hi jubal i m wondering after seeing your chart did a signal occur for similar trade ion the 15th. Feb. i see the pull back to the profit target on that day. :D


Looks like someone started a MyFXBook on this system, But without the EA with the entry and exit rules hard coded in, it would be truly hard to know if the trader is following the rules correctly , but the link is below for anyone to see

http://www.myfxbook.com/members/PippinToTheTop/entropy-tp/244991

Link doesnt seem to work  Steve.   Also i'm still in the CAd trade from last week. The gap down didnt help but we'll see how it recovers. Nothing taken yet today


Someone must be watching this thread , TRUST ME , it was working when I posted the link, so take a look at the time of my posting and take note of the time you show my posting for the first time, that elapse time that went by , the link was taken down
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: Steve Cole on February 20, 2012, 10:55:03 AM
Only taken one trade today. On USDCAD 4hr. Entered @ 0.99635
hi jubal i m wondering after seeing your chart did a signal occur for similar trade ion the 15th. Feb. i see the pull back to the profit target on that day. :D


Looks like someone started a MyFXBook on this system, But without the EA with the entry and exit rules hard coded in, it would be truly hard to know if the trader is following the rules correctly , but the link is below for anyone to see

http://www.myfxbook.com/members/PippinToTheTop/entropy-tp/244991

Link doesnt seem to work  Steve.   Also i'm still in the CAd trade from last week. The gap down didnt help but we'll see how it recovers. Nothing taken yet today


About the CAD Long your in , when I posted the link which got taken down, if I recall correct I think at the time that trade was down about 78 pips, if I recall. Hope it works out for you
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: aagarcia on February 20, 2012, 03:54:09 PM
The USD/CAD long I was in hit SL. Glad I wasn't trading live just demo.  But it has me worried.  Since starting I have taken 3 solid (supposedly) signals on the 4hTF.  2 have hit Sl including the Usd/Cad signal. 
Mixed emotions about how well Entropy works.  SLs on the 4hTF can be significant!
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: art on February 20, 2012, 04:17:38 PM
unatural conditions today public holiday in america
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: aagarcia on February 20, 2012, 04:41:26 PM
unatural conditions today public holiday in america
Absolutely nthing to do with it.  The SL was hit on Sunday open after the gap.
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: jubal on February 20, 2012, 04:43:47 PM
The USD/CAD long I was in hit SL. Glad I wasn't trading live just demo.  But it has me worried.  Since starting I have taken 3 solid (supposedly) signals on the 4hTF.  2 have hit Sl including the Usd/Cad signal. 
Mixed emotions about how well Entropy works.  SLs on the 4hTF can be significant!

i'm still in the CAd long. Reason is I increased my stop a bit. Not in the rules but I did it because of the opening gap yesterday and also because there was an older support about 30 pips away. What I'm hoping is that the gap will close and the trade go back into profit. New signals today also suggest that will be the case. I dont normally interfere with stops but felt it the right thing to do here,although my risk has increased
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: John Henrik on February 20, 2012, 04:48:46 PM
anyone in the EURGBP H4 trade? currently up 45 pips.
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: art on February 20, 2012, 04:49:53 PM
im still long usdcad as well, but its incredibly  slow today
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: art on February 20, 2012, 04:50:52 PM
didnt take that trade john
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: John Henrik on February 20, 2012, 05:00:06 PM
didnt take that trade john

what was your reason? =)

It had a 10 TSZ.

Btw, should I apply some trailing to them?

The targets are 109 pips, 135pips and 171 pips.

Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: art on February 20, 2012, 05:05:41 PM
i must have missed that, what time did that signal come through
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: John Henrik on February 20, 2012, 05:18:37 PM
i must have missed that, what time did that signal come through

my second post on page 30 is a picture.

15. february i got the signal, and it triggered in late at night 16 february going to 17th.
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: aagarcia on February 20, 2012, 09:47:08 PM
I have mixed emotions about Entropy.  From my experience thus far (2 SLs and 1 TP) it has not done well.  These were taken on the 4h TF and with cluster signals and with 1 or more in the cluster showing a high vector of 12 etc.  SLs were put as suggested by Entropy BUT I ALSO made sure that they were well below the previous swing high/low. And the entry(ies) above a break of the high/low vectors per Craig's rules.
It seems Entropy calls the signals early, the candle will go far enough to trigger your trade but then eventually go to SL whereby it THEN continues up to maybe TP.  The problem is how large of a SL will one use?  I already use a large one since it's a 4h TF I'm trading.
It's only a few trades but I was expecting a bit more accuracy. Just my initial impressions, I will continue on demo.
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: art on February 20, 2012, 11:21:42 PM
usdcad finally hit target
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: aagarcia on February 20, 2012, 11:53:45 PM
yes, but you got in on a later and lower signal.
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: art on February 21, 2012, 08:50:44 AM
i'm only learning the system like everybody,  so my placing of trades, has not been that great but getting better, the usdcad trade was taken on the 20-02  long at 99.36, im not even sure what the time frame was, but it did hit all 3 targets, im now short nzdjpy on daily chart  at 6700 so allready in profit
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: art on February 21, 2012, 08:57:17 AM
having a problem with the signal client in the time frame box i just have FX showing, any ideas
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: Matuka1968 on February 21, 2012, 09:19:31 AM
Hi,

Bluto now will  update 1.3.3 version.

Regards,

Matuka1968
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: art on February 21, 2012, 09:26:21 AM
where do we find the latest version matuka been on the forum cant find it cheers
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: art on February 21, 2012, 09:28:08 AM
ok just found it , its just gone up on the forum
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: sharpe7852 on February 21, 2012, 10:08:33 AM
V.1.3.3 Updates:

1.  For starters, I've re-arranged things a bit again, and now we have the user interface in place to start plugging in all of the features.  I like the "Tabbed Worksheet" approach to applications because it makes everything easily available.  On the first Tab which is pretty much completed, we have our "Current Signals".  On this tab, we now have two grids - one at the top which continues to display the detail TSV rows that make up a signal.  Originally, I was planning to eventually do away with this grid but I decided to keep this detail available for those that are interested in seeing the makeup of a signal.  Providing this level of detail was intended to support the learning process behind TSV's.  Personally, I would've found it hard to trade off of this grid. I did add a new Risk:Reward factor column for each of the 3 TP levels.  When you look at this value, it's actually computed as TakeProfit Pips/ StopOut Pips calculated from the point of entry which is typically the PRZ-High (Bullish) or PRZ-Low (Bearish).  This number is easier to look at, query on and digest than something expressed as R:R.  Therefore, if you like a Risk Reward factor of 1:2 (Risk 10 pips to make 20) before you'll consider a trade, then you'd be looking for a value of 2.0 or better in one of the three R:R columns.

We now have a second new grid below the detailed TSV grid.  This new grid contains the "single signal" row, or a consolodation of the individual TSV's into a single composite signal record.  This is the row you want to trade from.  The TSV's aren't just simply averaged together - there are some weighting algorithms that are used to arrive at the optimum TSV-High, TSV-Low, Stop & Takeprofit Levels.  Both of the two grids are refreshed at approximately the same time every 5 minutes depending on server load.

For this release, I'd like for everyone to experiment with the the newest single-signal grid and the general interplay between it and the detailed TSV grid.  I've also added a new "Symbol Class" because we'll be using Entropy for other types of signals besides Forex ("FX").  Very soon, I'll be adding Bullions ("BU") like Gold and Silver, Futures, etc.  Lots of signals to suit your fancy. 

I'll come back to this post and layout the upcoming feature releases to give everyone an idea of what's coming, but I'll go ahead and commit this post now so everyone can download and install v.1.3.3

Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: Matuka1968 on February 21, 2012, 10:15:41 AM
Hi,

Can you export to excell? Because for me do not work.

Thanks,

Matuka1968
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: art on February 21, 2012, 11:48:53 AM
my signal client platform is incomplete, the bottom half of the platform is incomplete and the icons down the side i dont have, i looked at sharpes screen shot  and half of my info is missing, my print screen tab doesnt appear to be working on my computer, can somebody tell me how i can copy the terminal and post it thanks
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: art on February 21, 2012, 12:53:04 PM
heres my screen shot i hope
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: art on February 21, 2012, 02:08:07 PM
screen is to small i loaded it on my other comp, which has a bigger screen and its loaded ok
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: sharpe7852 on February 21, 2012, 03:18:21 PM
Matuka1968,

I have the same issue. 

To get it to work I select an existing xls file and then double click it from the selection window to get it to save with the recent data.

Cheers!

Hi,

Can you export to excell? Because for me do not work.

Thanks,

Matuka1968
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: Matuka1968 on February 21, 2012, 03:46:13 PM
Thanks,

Matuka1968
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: sharpe7852 on February 21, 2012, 05:40:07 PM
 ;)

Thanks,

Matuka1968
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: John Henrik on February 21, 2012, 07:27:58 PM
current situation of my eurgbp.
currently break-even.

I wonder if it will retrace now, as there are many other peaks.
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: jubal on February 21, 2012, 08:09:19 PM
Nice John. i'm still in this CAD trade from last week. Hovering around entry point.  Entered on a different signal from you I think. Also took at EURGBP yesterday and sitting at +45 pips at the minute
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: Alexd on February 21, 2012, 09:38:53 PM
All signed up. Looking forward to getting activated  ;)
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: sandman on February 21, 2012, 09:44:47 PM
All signed up. Looking forward to getting activated  ;)
Yeppers I have as well Alex. 
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: Trader@Home on February 22, 2012, 01:24:02 AM
The USD/CAD long I was in hit SL. Glad I wasn't trading live just demo.  But it has me worried.  Since starting I have taken 3 solid (supposedly) signals on the 4hTF.  2 have hit Sl including the Usd/Cad signal. 
Mixed emotions about how well Entropy works.  SLs on the 4hTF can be significant!
what was the RR on this trade. But im yet to have this system,it is my opinion this would work well on exotic cross pairs such as CHF/JPY :D. i asked if i remember from someone here perhaps its too early as to which pairs are more profitable.instead you guys take a trade just because your signal has indicated /triggered it a common sense approach should be followed so you know the stats/history is favourable, when you take a trade.although this wouldnt make you 100% winning trade but atleast you would be able concentrate more on few pairs. :D appreciate feedback.
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: fxcica on February 22, 2012, 01:38:25 AM
All signed up. Looking forward to getting activated  ;)
Yeppers I have as well Alex. 

I'm also signed up, gearing up to figure out Entropy.  :)
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: samsnz on February 22, 2012, 02:49:15 AM
system sounds good going by the comments here. I accidentally pushed the star rating and i think a '2 stars' was pressed, which is 'bad', wonder how to undo that...
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: fxcica on February 22, 2012, 03:10:28 AM
system sounds good going by the comments here. I accidentally pushed the star rating and i think a '2 stars' was pressed, which is 'bad', wonder how to undo that...

Try contacting donnaforex herself via a PM to get that fixed.
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: samsnz on February 22, 2012, 03:26:04 AM
I filled up the form to join, at the website / fxaw forum, then I tried to pay through paypal, it says I got to initiate the paypal from the website. So will I get approved first and then make a payment from some link inside the members area, or is there a link on the website/forum which I click to make the $299 payment, thanks
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: sandman on February 22, 2012, 04:20:25 AM
I filled up the form to join, at the website / fxaw forum, then I tried to pay through paypal, it says I got to initiate the paypal from the website. So will I get approved first and then make a payment from some link inside the members area, or is there a link on the website/forum which I click to make the $299 payment, thanks
Hey samsnz,  if you request membership from Blutox (Craig) he will send you 2 files.  In one of them is the email address to pay to and include in you payment what account number you wish to have activated. Then pay the $299,  and sit back and tread the files, and wait for activation to his forum where all the details and downloads are.  Thats where I am at currently.
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: Trader@Home on February 22, 2012, 05:39:35 AM
system sounds good going by the comments here. I accidentally pushed the star rating and i think a '2 stars' was pressed, which is 'bad', wonder how to undo that...
perhaps your neural network triggered the correct rating. ;D i will offset it by giving a 3stars :D :D :D wii u be happy 8) plus i gave +rep to you
Title: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: John Henrik on February 22, 2012, 09:40:34 AM
Placing entropy trades just got a hole lot easier eith the new "single signal" list. :)
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: samsnz on February 22, 2012, 09:44:49 AM
I received the files from Craig, the email address to pay into is changed, instead of the gmail address its a yahoo address now, maybe the first post in this thread need to update the attachment fxaw_member_prospect_invitation to reflect that...cheers...
Title: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: John Henrik on February 22, 2012, 09:45:07 AM
Also my first TP point just triggered in on H4 EURGBP. See "TestJHB" for history.

Exciting to see if it hits agressive TP.

Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: wnabo on February 22, 2012, 09:47:42 AM
pls how can one get entropy is it by merely registering for with the fxaw forum or you have to pay again after that.
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: jubal on February 22, 2012, 09:59:08 AM
pls how can one get entropy is it by merely registering for with the fxaw forum or you have to pay again after that.

You pay one off fee of $299 ( some or all of which goes to charity by the way) This gives you access to the forum and all EA's,systems etc.. for life. Not a bad deal at all
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: jubal on February 22, 2012, 10:02:01 AM
Also my first TP point just triggered in on H4 EURGBP. See "TestJHB" for history.

Exciting to see if it hits agressive TP.

I'm in that too John and looking good.  Unfortunately I got stopped out though on a GBPCAd 4 hourly.  My USDCAD from last week has moved into a bit of profit now too
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: wnabo on February 22, 2012, 10:13:43 AM
Can anyone give me like a live statement of this indicators performance please..u dont have to put your names ofcourse Id like like to see and show apartner of mine such a statement. by the way ive read the white paper and i think entropy's great.
Thanks
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: aagarcia on February 22, 2012, 04:17:07 PM
People NEED to understand to use caution with this.  Luckily I have only demoed.  But look at the GBP pairs that took the 4 hour trades yesterday.  THEY ALL WENT TO STOP LOSS.  3 out of 4 trades taken on the 4 hour TF have now gone to SL for me.  My understanding was that this TF is the sweetspot with an uncanny accuracy at picking good trades.  Well lucky I'm only on demo. 
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: art on February 22, 2012, 04:22:21 PM
hi guys i cant get michaels indicator to work on the new version, i can copy into excel but when i enter the appropriate line into the idicator on the chart, all the info is in the box but when i click ok there is no info on the chart all the parameters are there, but everything is zero any ideas
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: John Henrik on February 22, 2012, 04:23:16 PM
People NEED to understand to use caution with this.  Luckily I have only demoed.  But look at the GBP pairs that took the 4 hour trades yesterday.  THEY ALL WENT TO STOP LOSS.  3 out of 4 trades taken on the 4 hour TF have now gone to SL for me.  My understanding was that this TF is the sweetspot with an uncanny accuracy at picking good trades.  Well lucky I'm only on demo.

You can set certain rules.

Like have a minimum Risk-reward of 2:1 or greater.

so far i have only picked trades with TSZ factor with 10 or higher, and high risk-reward. and a high pip range. There are H4 trades that only gives you 20-30 pips. This is so small that Im not gonna bother.
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: Redbaron517 on February 22, 2012, 07:53:29 PM
Hi Art,
Did you download Michael's last update for the single signal? It is on the first post .
good Luck,
Dan
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: jubal on February 22, 2012, 08:17:16 PM
Hi Art,
Did you download Michael's last update for the single signal? It is on the first post .
good Luck,
Dan

not sure what you are talking about here. Can you explain more?
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: Humble Trader's Fx on February 22, 2012, 08:39:41 PM
I am following with hope and interest this thread but I really don't understand all the hype. Up until now, all we have is chart "interpretations" and many "ideas". The only way to be able to compare apples with apples, is if and when, their is a bot which takes out of the equation human emotions and interpretations: We can have someone like "fmonera" or "joseph" or any of the more capable members of this forum to give this EA and honest evaluation; not an interpretation based on subjective chart reading skills of one member or another.
Any dates as to when such a bot will be finally made available for testing?

Regards,
ilios
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: Forexmonkey on February 22, 2012, 09:04:24 PM
Looks very similar to sam seiden's supply and demand zones.
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: Forexmonkey on February 22, 2012, 09:09:25 PM
People NEED to understand to use caution with this.  Luckily I have only demoed.  But look at the GBP pairs that took the 4 hour trades yesterday.  THEY ALL WENT TO STOP LOSS.  3 out of 4 trades taken on the 4 hour TF have now gone to SL for me.  My understanding was that this TF is the sweetspot with an uncanny accuracy at picking good trades.  Well lucky I'm only on demo.

so 6 more losses and then the next 89 trades will all be winners. Sorted. Ramp up that leverage!!   ;)
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: samsnz on February 22, 2012, 09:31:58 PM
People NEED to understand to use caution with this.  Luckily I have only demoed.  But look at the GBP pairs that took the 4 hour trades yesterday.  THEY ALL WENT TO STOP LOSS.  3 out of 4 trades taken on the 4 hour TF have now gone to SL for me.  My understanding was that this TF is the sweetspot with an uncanny accuracy at picking good trades.  Well lucky I'm only on demo.

so 6 more losses and then the next 89 trades will all be winners. Sorted. Ramp up that leverage!!   ;)

hehe
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: art on February 22, 2012, 10:40:22 PM
thanks for that red baron
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: art on February 22, 2012, 10:45:39 PM
hi red baron i cant find michaels update
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: Bill7 on February 23, 2012, 12:34:47 AM
1 am following this thread with interest and was thinking of joining. I will hold till I see some results, which are not encouraging at present.
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: aagarcia on February 23, 2012, 01:04:55 AM
People NEED to understand to use caution with this.  Luckily I have only demoed.  But look at the GBP pairs that took the 4 hour trades yesterday.  THEY ALL WENT TO STOP LOSS.  3 out of 4 trades taken on the 4 hour TF have now gone to SL for me.  My understanding was that this TF is the sweetspot with an uncanny accuracy at picking good trades.  Well lucky I'm only on demo.

Posts charts of those signals and trades if you would. It would help to see what happened with those trades. I'm seeing people who tracking the signals showing GBPUSD 4H signals reaching TP1 and TP2??


CJ
Hi all and thanks for the suggestion Cap.  I closed my demo MT4 so I don't think I can pull it up.  It did hit TP1 and then plunged so no TP2.  But for what was suppose to be a relatively strong signal... for it to just plummet like that is discouraging.  Maybe it was news not sure but the 4 h TF should be able to avoid this. 
I wrote that you need to be careful with this because I just know some newbies will jump in live after reading how accurate it is and then the s*** will hit the fan with a lot of extremely negative posts. I still think Entropy is good but maybe ONLY go with the SUPER strong signals on the 4h and Daily TFs.
The thing is I believe Entropy is like going from an SUV to a sports car where things take time to adjust and where you need to get a "feel" for it and how it trades especially considering it touches so many pairs and each pair has its' own "characteristics" for trading.
I will continue testing but will slowly start to limit trading to certain pairs and ONLY with super strong signals on 4h and Daily candles and with a good  R:R.  GBP/CAD got hammered as well so it was a function of the pound.
Discouraged a bit but still undaunted.  DEMO FIRST- PLEASE PEOPLE!
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: ForexPipMaker on February 23, 2012, 04:04:42 AM
People NEED to understand to use caution with this.  Luckily I have only demoed.  But look at the GBP pairs that took the 4 hour trades yesterday.  THEY ALL WENT TO STOP LOSS.  3 out of 4 trades taken on the 4 hour TF have now gone to SL for me.  My understanding was that this TF is the sweetspot with an uncanny accuracy at picking good trades.  Well lucky I'm only on demo.

You can set certain rules.

Like have a minimum Risk-reward of 2:1 or greater.

so far i have only picked trades with TSZ factor with 10 or higher, and high risk-reward. and a high pip range. There are H4 trades that only gives you 20-30 pips. This is so small that Im not gonna bother.

The main reason for that was that yesterday unexpectedly bad MPC results with Bank of England. You should have moved SL into profit or closed the trade totally. It was bad for everything. Unfortunately I didn't do the same for my Audusd trades which were already in good profit.
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: Jake on February 23, 2012, 04:10:57 AM
The thing with Entropy that has to be carefully considered is that it is a product in development.  Joining the forum gives one the privilege of being involved.  Of course, the hope is that the end result will be a successful income making product, but there is no guarantee of that. So this is not like purchasing a commercial EA that one would expect to have been fully developed and therefore successful from first installation.  I see it as like being an angel investor in a new invention, except in this case instead of having to put in megabucks we can pay a little contribution.  Angel investors do not expect that every investment they make will be successful.  However, they usually investigate what they are investing in fully, paying particular attention to the capabilities of the people running the company.  From what I have seen in the FXAW forum, I feel that bluto is for real, a remarkably capable person in this field who is honestly committed to producing a product that will work.  There are also others in the forum whose capabilities and contributions are fabulous.  So for me, who has little technical capability in IT or finance or with figures, this is an opportunity to be part of a team of skilled enthusiasts who may be making something truly effective at making money. If they do, that would be just overwhelmingly great, as my success rate with forex has to date been less than good. If they don't succeed, at least I have supported an honest effort, and will have enjoyed the ride.
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: wynkins on February 23, 2012, 11:09:22 AM
I have been a member of FXAW for nearly 2 weeks. I have been having some success taking H1 signals (I haven't got the patience to wait for H4 and D1 signals to play out - my first trade on 9th February was a D1 trade and is still running). I look for signals with multiple TSV signals and R:R of over 1 at TP1, and take a single trade with TP1 as target. This is a good example of a H1 GBPUSD signal. 6 or so hours after the signal, price dips into the turn zone, bounces and moves quickly up through TP1. It came close to TP2, but didn't quite reach it before dropping back to TP1.

The screenshot shows that entropy has identified a very strong area of support from which price has bounced strongly on several occasions over the last 4 weeks.

At the time the signal was given, price was above the turn zone. I don't yet know whether I should be waiting for price to drop into the zone and then come back up out again before taking the trade, or whether I should be entering straight away. With this particular signal I entered immediately on the ground that price had recently been in the zone, had turned and come out. As it happens, I would have been better (about 10 pips) to have waited, because price dropped into the zone again before rising to TP1.
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: Redbaron517 on February 23, 2012, 05:07:42 PM
Hi Art,
Look here on the FXAW form : Michael's Entropy Indicator modified to handle Entropy Client 1.3.3 format
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: art on February 23, 2012, 05:49:41 PM
found it thanks baron
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: John Henrik on February 24, 2012, 06:19:58 PM
strong sell, with an insane RR on EURAUD H4 ^^,
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: art on February 25, 2012, 10:18:53 AM
did anyone take the long gbpaud on the 23rd hit all three targets yesterday 4 hour chart
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: John Henrik on February 25, 2012, 10:53:22 AM
did anyone take the long gbpaud on the 23rd hit all three targets yesterday 4 hour chart

I missed that.

Thats the thing I hate about manual swing trading.
I go to school, and work part time at my old job to finance it. Tend to miss out a lot of good signals.

Entropy iphone app?   8)
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: jubal on February 25, 2012, 12:12:38 PM
did anyone take the long gbpaud on the 23rd hit all three targets yesterday 4 hour chart

got that myself. Doing ok looking only for 4 hour and daily trades. Also the spreadsheets set up on the forum by TrevDawg are proving useful and giving a good insight into what you should be looking for. I'm well impressed with Entropy
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: art on February 25, 2012, 02:50:37 PM
yep me also jubal, that spreadsheet very useful,
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: LFN on February 26, 2012, 10:42:01 AM
Any release date for the EA?
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: jubal on February 26, 2012, 11:44:54 AM
Any release date for the EA?

Not yet, there are a few more updates first to the signal client.
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: samsnz on February 28, 2012, 04:41:38 AM
joined the forum today, waiting for details....
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: sandman on February 28, 2012, 05:01:30 AM
yep me also jubal, that spreadsheet very useful,
Hey guys, can you give me a heads up where exactly to find this spreadsheet please...thanking you in advance.....sandman
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: sharpe7852 on February 28, 2012, 06:06:21 AM
Hi Sandman,

You can find in H4 / H1 / Daily Analysis - Composite Signals within the Entropy thread. 

Cheers!

yep me also jubal, that spreadsheet very useful,
Hey guys, can you give me a heads up where exactly to find this spreadsheet please...thanking you in advance.....sandman
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: sandman on February 28, 2012, 06:45:47 AM
Thank you kindly Sharpe
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: sharpe7852 on February 28, 2012, 12:47:09 PM
U r welcome!

Thank you kindly Sharpe
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: wnabo on February 29, 2012, 09:45:29 AM
Placing entropy trades just got a hole lot easier eith the new "single signal" list. :)
pls could you explain more on this to me?
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: petersurrey on March 01, 2012, 07:48:26 PM
Placing entropy trades just got a hole lot easier eith the new "single signal" list. :)
pls could you explain more on this to me?

wnabo the latest entropy client 1.3.3 provides you two views;one with multiple vector levels and one with consolidated vector levels, for the same pairs.The consolidated view highlights which vectors have been reached, so you can chose those pairs which have a small and large value to make your trades more reliable.

You can also access TrevDawg's latest very useful spreadsheet; which provides a very useful summary of above on four and one hour time  frames - all available on the FXAW forum and great trading tools until the bot is available..
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: samsnz on March 01, 2012, 09:44:32 PM
I dont have login yet :(

edit: got it :), now lots of reading i suppose
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: samsnz on March 02, 2012, 11:49:10 PM
g'men, in the forum, where do i start, where is the setup instructions, I have been reading a lot and havn't found those. I d'loaded the client, now what, is there other files, dlls, and is there no username/pwd for the client required anymore? Does the client connect to the server by itself, its showing nothing on the weekend. many questions...can someone PM me if need be...thanks..
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: sandman on March 03, 2012, 12:13:30 AM
g'men, in the forum, where do i start, where is the setup instructions, I have been reading a lot and havn't found those. I d'loaded the client, now what, is there other files, dlls, and is there no username/pwd for the client required anymore? Does the client connect to the server by itself, its showing nothing on the weekend. many questions...can someone PM me if need be...thanks..
Hello samsnz......go to the fxaw forum and look for entrophy.....formerly marauder.  There you will see help for you dilemma........I think we all at times have had the same problem........best of luck..........its all a bit dijointed at the moment but some kind members there are trying to rectify things and put them in some kind of order......regards ...sandman
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: wnabo on March 04, 2012, 09:33:02 AM
I filled up the form to join, at the website / fxaw forum, then I tried to pay through paypal, it says I got to initiate the paypal from the website. So will I get approved first and then make a payment from some link inside the members area, or is there a link on the website/forum which I click to make the $299 payment, thanks
Hey samsnz,  if you request membership from Blutox (Craig) he will send you 2 files.  In one of them is the email address to pay to and include in you payment what account number you wish to have activated. Then pay the $299,  and sit back and tread the files, and wait for activation to his forum where all the details and downloads are.  Thats where I am at currently.
All this will take how long about a week? more?
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: wnabo on March 04, 2012, 09:38:09 AM
Anybody got stats and or statements for trading entropy? Myfxbook? PLsss... :D
Title: Re: FXAW
Post by: wnabo on March 05, 2012, 05:38:47 AM
Hi CJ,

I'll be setting up a new 'practice' account to trade only Entropy to get my teeth into it.  Once I am confident I will certainly add a link.  I'll be most interested to analyse the stats it and I can produce by trading the Entropy way.  I'm looking forward to it!
Are they coming up anytime soon?
Title: Re: FXAW
Post by: wnabo on March 07, 2012, 09:33:31 AM
sorry guys tried to send  the section on the page re where to send funds, sent the whole page in error, sorry but you can see at the bottom funds should be sent to oasis@yahoo

Craig has taken care of it Art. Seems he has changed the address in the newer apps but some of the older ones on the forums haven't been replaced as of yet. Sorry for the confusion.

CJ
So whichis it Bluto@gmail or Oasis@yahoo.com
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: johnmalko on March 08, 2012, 11:03:53 AM
Still no trading bot for Entropy?
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: wnabo on March 10, 2012, 12:56:10 AM
 ??? Hmmmmm... the thread is rather quiet these days.
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: samsnz on March 10, 2012, 01:22:27 AM
i think there was a gbpcad signal H4 last week, fairly strong but it didn't go up as expected, went down...demoing only...
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: jamestan1978 on March 13, 2012, 03:31:58 AM
I know i will have alot of hate posts after this... but this entropy is really failing. so far no one having proper success. and if you look at one of the members documenting the signals.. its tonnes of losses.... its nothing but hype..
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: fxcica on March 13, 2012, 03:49:41 AM
I know i will have alot of hate posts after this... but this entropy is really failing. so far no one having proper success. and if you look at one of the members documenting the signals.. its tonnes of losses.... its nothing but hype..

Hmm, maybe you've saved me the trouble of getting familiar with Entropy at this time, I have yet to do so. I may just put it on the back burner for the time being....
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: jubal on March 13, 2012, 03:08:25 PM
I agree that the system hasnt performed well over the last couple of weeks. But we do have to bear in mind that it is still beta and needs refinement. what I've noticed is that most losers appear to be on more exotic pairs as opposed to any of the popular trading pairs. For example since I started using this about 3 weeks ago I think there has only been 1 decent signal for EURUSd and none for GBPUSD. Maybe we just need to be careful what were trading. if the major pairs arent signalling maybe its best to stay out of the market??
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: blutofx on March 13, 2012, 03:25:52 PM
I know i will have alot of hate posts after this... but this entropy is really failing. so far no one having proper success. and if you look at one of the members documenting the signals.. its tonnes of losses.... its nothing but hype..

<Sigh>  ???

I'm always curious as to what motivates an individual to post something like this.  For starters, jamestan1978 - you're full of rubbish, and if you are in fact a bona-fide FXAW member, I'd challenge you to post your actual Entropy trading results here.  Show us some of the losing signals you've taken - show us your annotated charts and an analysis of what went wrong.  Show us how you assessed Risk:Reward for a specific signal and how you managed the entries, the stops, and the exit levels.  Demonstrate to us that Entropy is a losing system in spite of you following all of the rules and performing due diligence.  Better yet - give us the confidence that you really know how to trade so we can believe "your" words instead of a bunch of arbitrary generalizations you've decided to post.

For those that are unaware of how Entropy works or what it's all about - it's an "evolving" system in beta mode rapidly approaching maturity and final delivery.  The concept was to allow members to participate in the actual un-rolling of the user interface.  Entropy currently runs on a central server and dispatches trade signals every 5 minutes for all timeframes and for approx. 30 currency pairs.

I believe what jamestan is referring to is a little experiment that one of my FXAW members decided to do several weeks back and document with a spreadsheet, and that was to simply take every Entropy H1 and H4 signal and place a trade using only the Risk:Reward factor provided with each signal as a filter without any further qualifications or confirmations just to see what would happen....nothing scientific about it at all.  One of the caveats of Entropy signals which has been stated clearly from day one is "An Entropy signal is an alert that an impending reversal is about to occur...it's a wakeup call....it doesn't tell you where or when exactly, but it gives you a high probability pip-range (Turn-Signal-Zone or "TSV") where the reversal is most likely to occur,"

Entropy signals require the trader to pay attention to what price action does within the TSV, and to place the trade once certain confirmations are verified and we have follow-through on a reversal.  By design and for learning purposes, this is currently a manual process requiring trader discretion and a degree of experience.  If you merely place a trade the moment you get a signal as in the case of the "experiment" jamestan is referring to, then of course....you'll have all kinds of stop-outs and funky results.  The FXAW member who started the experiment in the first place was very clear about what the intentions were which was to merely see what the results would be of simply taking each signal and simply trading it without any further confirmation. The fact is though, we have lots of experienced traders at FXAW having wonderful success with Entropy because they follow the rules.  In about three weeks, there will be an Entropy Tradebot EA which takes care of the "confirmational aspects" of reacting to an Entropy signal which will make life a lot easier for those traders who don't care about manual trading or don't really know how to gauge price action to determine entries and exits.

Lastly, a major aspect of the Entropy project is that in tandem with the rollout of the system, we're actually teaching (or re-training) people how to trade properly - how to gauge Risk:Reward, how to scale in and out of trades, how to understand what's actually going on with their charts behind the scenes.  We have several senior traders actively posting "Trade-Of-The-Day" step-by-step examples with charts and video clips of how they take an Entropy signal from start to finish and demonstrate how profitable these signals can be.  If anyone wishes to learn more about this or wants more information, feel free to PM me here or email me at blutofx@gmail.com  I'll make sure you get the truth.

bluto (Craig)   8)
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: blutofx on March 13, 2012, 03:36:39 PM
I agree that the system hasnt performed well over the last couple of weeks. But we do have to bear in mind that it is still beta and needs refinement. what I've noticed is that most losers appear to be on more exotic pairs as opposed to any of the popular trading pairs. For example since I started using this about 3 weeks ago I think there has only been 1 decent signal for EURUSd and none for GBPUSD. Maybe we just need to be careful what were trading. if the major pairs arent signalling maybe its best to stay out of the market??

Yes, you are exactly correct, jubal.  One of the great things about Entropy by design is that unlike many other trading systems, it does not and will not produce false trade signals (or at least very very few of them) during hostile/ranging/whipsaw market conditions, and the markets of the past several weeks have been brutal, especially with the ongoing European drama.  Again, as I mentioned in my previous post, if users of Entropy merely follow a few simple rules....rules and exercise patience and due-diligence to confirm a signal, they will be rewarded.  Yes, at this stage of the evolution of Entropy and until the Entropy Tradebot EA is released to remove this burden, the expectation is that traders have some basic knowledge of how to gauge price-action at or near a reversal - experienced traders are having great success and inexperienced traders/novices may not be having great success...yet.  The fact is though - as a member of FXAW, they will be trained on how to know what to do and when to do it .  We don't just hand members a trading system and say "Good Luck"!
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: blutofx on March 13, 2012, 04:33:39 PM
DonnaForex Members:

I've been thinking a bit about "jamestan1978's" negative post regarding my new "Entropy" system which I just replied to a bit earlier.

Many members here have decided to join FXAW during the past few months since they became aware of my new "Entropy" trading system.  I never intended to advertise or promote Entropy or my FXAW group here on this forum (or any forum), but it just sort of happened that some members here started discussing it and one thing lead to another.

I really like this group here and the friendly atmosphere.  I'd like to offer to share with any of you a tutorial that I am putting together    on how to gauge price action at a reversal point and how to know when there's a high probability of follow through.  I'm developing this of course as a training tool for my own members to understand how to trade Entropy signals, but the material is equally applicable to swing traders, scalpers, or any other reversal-based system.  This is not a veiled inducement to get anyone to join FXAW or solicit new users of Entropy.  I simply want to demonstrate that I'm genuinely interested in seeing traders be successful and I believe that this type of material might be helpful...it's important to give back.

If you're interested, shoot me a PM here or email me at blutofx@gmail.com.  Once I complete this tutorial, I'll make sure you get a copy if you provide me with your email address.

Craig (Bluto)   8)
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: fxcica on March 13, 2012, 04:35:27 PM
Craig (Bluto), thanks for your comments, much appreciated. I'll go ahead and invest some time in learning the Entropy system.
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: blutofx on March 13, 2012, 05:07:06 PM
Craig (Bluto), thanks for your comments, much appreciated. I'll go ahead and invest some time in learning the Entropy system.

fxcica - If you haven't done so yet, please check out the "Trade-Of-The-Day" section of the forum.  Myself and several others of our members are posting detailed start-to-finish individual topic threads for specific Entropy signal trades.  "Vince" posted a 30-minute video of a recent "AUDJPY" trade that he took which was beautifully executed and documented where he explained his thought processes play-by-play including signal confirmation technique, entry criteria, trailing stop management, and ultimate takeprofit levels.  Although the Entropy Tradebot uses very formal signal confirmation rules to determine trade entry, the cool thing about these Trade-Of-The-Day sequences is that you can see the different styles, techniques and "bags of tricks" each trader uses to confirm and manage a trade.

Craig  8)
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: penny99 on March 13, 2012, 05:53:33 PM
I'm just asking this in hopes of better understanding the system and how it is used.

How did you take 230 trades in 1 week using only signals on the 4H and D1 that dont happen very often? Does this mean you average down alot when the trade goes against you? Or employ a martingale approach to the Entropy signals?




I know i will have alot of hate posts after this... but this entropy is really failing. so far no one having proper success. and if you look at one of the members documenting the signals.. its tonnes of losses.... its nothing but hype..

I see Craig has beat me to it but I'm going to paste a reply that I sent to a member here, who sent me a PM and was requesting information concerning this post from Jamestan1978. Copy and paste of my reply follows:


Greetings to you also. The only reason I see that this person has posted this BS is that HE must be losing his money doing something we all tell people not to do:

DO NOT TRADE SIGNALS WITH REAL MONEY UNTIL YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT IS GOING ON

Apparently, he didn't follow this advice.

I can tell you that I trade the signals as do many and make a GOOD profit. Here is a copy and paste of the "signal analysis" that he refers to:

(https://donnaforex.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1206.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fbb447%2Fjsaffron%2F3-13-201211-37-00AM.png&hash=5a0d4eef5105d2bfae37859f4db8f7f1)

These are the results of "EVERY" 1 hour signal given by Entropy. These are "tested" without any trade management what so ever. Either the trade hits stop loss or profit. "We" don't trade the 1H signals. "We" being the people who started with Entropy when it was released. "We" tell people to trade the 4H and D1 signals.

The results show 230 trades during this week in March. Of those 230 trades, 26 were losing trades. How that translates into "tonnes of losers" is beyond me. The chart shows a PROFIT of +489 pips for the week. Not one of the better weeks but did you make 489 pips last week? A lot of people don't. Here's a screenshot of "one" of my accounts, with LIVE trades, during this so called "failure" of Entropy:

(https://donnaforex.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1206.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fbb447%2Fjsaffron%2F3-8-20127-04-49AMpo2.png&hash=13ea4f01cd9d16c3b9fed6bac9e65cab)

This capture is from a trade on EURGBP that I closed last night AFTER news on JPY was released. As you can see, price was but a few pips from TP2 and moving well when the news came. This is considered a "LOSING" trade when they perform the analysis as it turned and hit it's stop. HOWEVER, I garnered 187.8 pips on the trade upon closing it out. How is this a loser??

(https://donnaforex.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1206.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fbb447%2Fjsaffron%2F3-13-201212-13-12PM.png&hash=bae6dd29641f187deb98592f5cc61ba3)

(https://donnaforex.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1206.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fbb447%2Fjsaffron%2F3-13-201212-42-18PMegpc.png&hash=d72b1e26ae3bed7b4a78a33dcd9639a4)

It becomes a loser when you think all you have to do is take a signal, put your money behind it by entering a trade, and NOT MANAGING the trade after you put it on. Managing YOUR trade is YOUR responsibility.

YOU should post a message and ask this person to back up his claims with fact instead of BS. I'm not going to get into any pissing contests with the people at Donna's site. I went there as at the request of a member to post some "honest" information about entropy and it's results. It's not worth 1 minute of my time to argue with people who don't have a clue as to what is going on.

The Entropy system is in BETA TEST. There isn't even a finished product. How somebody can make such outlandish claims about it's failure is beyond me.

The fee that is paid to access the FXAW site is a membership fee for the forum and ALL of it's contents. You are not paying for Entropy but you get lifetime access to the system with membership.

I can't tell you if you should join or not, that is a decision that you have to make. I have provided ample information, charts, trades and tables here, that anybody should be able to make that decision. There are many people from here who are members of FXAW and they can relate their experiences and those of others who trade the signals. They can also refute what I say and they should provide "factual information" in doing so. I can support all of my postings concerning Entropy and do. Expect the same from everybody when it comes to reviewing a system or site.

I paid to join FXAW almost 4 years ago and it's been a GREAT decision. Trading the Entropy signals provides me with a good income. I can't say when Craig will close the doors and quit accepting new members at FXAW, but when he does, FXAW goes "private" once again. After that, the "only" way to gain access to Entropy will be to pay the "ongoing" fees and subscribe to the commercial product, when it's debuted.

I hope this has been of help to you in making your decision as to join FXAW or not. Feel free to contact me at anytime and I hope to see you at FXAW.

Best wishes and good trading my friend.

John

End of copy and paste


I expect Jamestan1978 or anybody else , as does Craig,  to provide "something" to back up his post other than his negative remarks that he makes to the members here at Donna's site. Everybody here should expect no less.

 Craig has mentioned the Trade of the Day area at FXAW - the EURGBP trade is one I posted in this area and it's the 4th successful, consecutive trade I have taken on this pair.

Best wishes and good trading to all.

John
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: John Henrik on March 13, 2012, 06:03:53 PM
Man I just have to say...

Love it =)

Not picking that many signals, but this thing is at least putting money in my pocket :)
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: blutofx on March 13, 2012, 06:12:03 PM
Hi penny99,

The Entropy system is positively not a martingale type system.  It is a very basic and straightforward classical Swing-Trading system....no frills and nothing fancy except for the quality of the signals themselves which I believe is unprecedented so far, at least from all of the systems that I've seen in my years of trading.

I think where the confusion might be is that for the week depicted in the chart, the FXAW member that is conducting this test is showing that there were a total of 230 Entropy signals that fired during this period for the combined H1 and H4 timeframes - and this is for almost 30 currency pairs, so that's not an unusual number of total reversal signals.  The H1 timeframe produces far more signals than the H4.  Another thing to take into consideration is that most of these signals are not true trend reversals, but are pullback/correction reversals that are a continuation of an existing trend.

Again, the key point here is that the FXAW member conducting his own personal test is merely taking an instant trade for every signal that fires which is NOT the way you trade Entropy - the signal is merely the herald that something is about to occur, but there is a "confirmation" process each trader is responsible for performing to ultimately decide if the signal should be acted upon.  The signals themesleves have a very high probaility of success, but you can't just jump on them as soon as they fire....you have to use the parameters provided to you in the signal to decide when price action is right to actually place the trade - this is very simple to do if you follow directions and obey the rules of the system.  The Entropy Tradebot EA I will be providing to FXAW members in a few weeks makes the process even easier because it handles the confirmation and trade management aspects for you. 

Cap'n Jack who just posted here is one of our premier FXAW members and traders of Entropy and is a perfect example of a guy who plays by the rules and has an astonishing number of winning Entropy trades, not to mention a boatload of pips.

Craig  8)
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: penny99 on March 13, 2012, 06:13:49 PM
Ok I see, including that sentence in the paragraph about your trades made me think that at first glance you were referring to your own trading.

But even still, in your acct screen shot there are 30+ trades. Did I misunderstand again or are are using only on 4H and 1D signals? If you are only using these 4H and 1D signals does this mean you are averaging down?



(snip)

How did you take 230 trades in 1 week using only signals on the 4H and D1 that dont happen very often?


I didn't. Please go back and read my post again and reconsider your question.

John
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: blutofx on March 13, 2012, 07:07:17 PM
One final comment regarding the grid of "experimental test Entropy trades without confirmation" - I went back and looked at the 26 losing trades and noticed that if some very simple and straightforward rules of the system in addition to a bit of common sense had been exercised, most of those trades would never have been executed in the first place.  In spite of that, I think that the 26 losing trades executed without any confirmation indicates that out of 230 total signals fired with 26 losers, approximately 88.5% of the total signals resulted in some form of profit each which correlates to the original expectations when the underlying Entropy signal algorithms were first designed and tested using MatLab model simulations.  No system will ever produce 100% accurate successful signals, and with Entropy, there is a built in known low percentage of signals that will not follow through, but those can be easily filtered out with a bit of prudence on the part of the trader.

Craig   8)
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: Jake on March 13, 2012, 08:20:47 PM
I think the key point is made by Captain Jack: "The fee that is paid to access the FXAW site is a membership fee for the forum and ALL of it's contents. You are not paying for Entropy but you get lifetime access to the system with membership." 

Bluto also makes the point, and this has always been clear, that Entropy is in development, so that joining FXAW is not the same as purchasing a completed product marketed by a vendor.  As I said in a previous post, joining FXAW is a little like being an angel investor - one has faith in the product potential and in the product designer and manufacturer, so one supports the ongoing development.  Usually this requires multi dollars, so I consider it a gift to me to be able to be involved for a small membership fee.

In terms of Entropy, I am hanging out for the TradeBot, because although as Bluto says there are simple rules to be followed to confirm trades, I am not good at following rules - even when I think I am I often make mistakes.  This is not a problem with Entropy, I do it with all live trading, which is why I am exploring EAs as an option. However, the reports of success from live trading on FXAW appear to far outway the losses, so I am demoing to see if I can attain greater skill and patience.

I am also trying out the Jitterbug EA which is available for members, and from which one member has reported a 50% monthly gain.  Too soon for me to comment, but it shows that membership is not just about Entropy.  As well as the tools available though, a major plus of membership is the education available through following the posts of some very skilled traders.  Even if the Entropy Tradebot turns out to be unsuccessful (and I am certainly hoping and trusting that will not be the case, given the skill and intelligence going into its manufacture) I will consider my membership of FXAW to have been a worthwhile investment.
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: art on March 13, 2012, 11:40:04 PM
nice one john 8)
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: 4xplosion on March 16, 2012, 11:59:05 AM
And again...

Perhaps Mr. JamesTan would like to comment on my posts?? I welcome discussion sir.

John

OK...it's time to throw a little levity in here:  Capt Jack....."A pirate  is walking down the street with a wooden peg and a big wooden steering wheel coming out of the front of his pants.....and walks into a  bar.....the whole bar stops in awe to look at the spectical.....he sits down and yells at the barkeep, "aaarrrgghh...give me a beer".....the barkeep is aghast of the site and pours the beer for the pirate, and then politely inquires...."excuse me sir, but did you know you have a steering wheel coming out of your pants?"     taking a big swig, the pirate replies:   "aaaaarrrgghh...it's driving me nuts!!!"     ;D
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: 4xplosion on March 17, 2012, 12:17:04 AM
And again...

Perhaps Mr. JamesTan would like to comment on my posts?? I welcome discussion sir.

John

OK...it's time to throw a little levity in here:  Capt Jack....."A pirate  is walking down the street with a wooden peg and a big wooden steering wheel coming out of the front of his pants.....and walks into a  bar.....the whole bar stops in awe to look at the spectical.....he sits down and yells at the barkeep, "aaarrrgghh...give me a beer".....the barkeep is aghast of the site and pours the beer for the pirate, and then politely inquires...."excuse me sir, but did you know you have a steering wheel coming out of your pants?"     taking a big swig, the pirate replies:   "aaaaarrrgghh...it's driving me nuts!!!"     ;D

Nice one....

The same pirate finishes his beer, has a bit more rum, drunkenly stumbles out the door, and drives his nuts to the next establishment down the way. The patrons watch as the obviously drunk pirate  with the wooden steering wheel sticking out the front of his pants, takes a place at the bar. "Aaaaarrrrrgghhhh....barkeep....give me a pint of your best ale!, to which the barkeep replies, "I'm sorry Capt'n but I can't serve you as you are already intoxicated. You'll have to leave." The pirate eyes the barkeep with his one good eye, gets up and goes out the door. Still feeling a bit parched, the pirate walks down the street, rounds the corner and enters the same bar by the side door, takes a place at the bar and orders up a drink. The barkeep tells him the same and out the side door the pirate goes. Rounding the corner yet again, the pirate enters the front of the same bar, takes his place at the bar and orders a drink. The barkeep tells him the same yet again and the pirate gives him a long look, get's up and leaves. The good Captain repeats this action several more times and is setting at the bar yet again. He orders up a drink, and the barkeep tells him  again to leave. This time the pirate eyes the barkeep for a bit and says, "Aaaaarrrrgggghhhhh.....matey, just how many bars do you work at in this here town?"
\

 ;D


 
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: johnmalko on March 22, 2012, 09:18:58 AM
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We're about two weeks away from release of the Entropy Tradebot which will take care of autotrading selected Entropy Signals.
 
Best regards,
Craig

This is an email I received from Craig on February 2. We are now nearly end of March and still not a single word about this so called trade bot... So, what's up?
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: sandman on March 22, 2012, 09:29:57 AM
Quote
We're about two weeks away from release of the Entropy Tradebot which will take care of autotrading selected Entropy Signals.
 
Best regards,
Craig

This is an email I received from Craig on February 2. We are now nearly end of March and still not a single word about this so called trade bot... So, what's up?

Patience is a virtue John.  Entropy is still in the Beta stage and improvements are continually happening.  For those of us that have joined the development,  the manual trading is excellent and I would say that most of us are achieving green pips.  If you request to join you will see for yourself.  Craig is doing a sterling job and I would say that most of the 1200 members agree with me.  The  Bot is aways off yet as Craig is very particular and many members are contributing to the fine tuning of the finished product.  I recommend that you request to join as the FXAW forum is without parallel.  and you will reap the benefits....guaranteed.   
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: Jake on March 22, 2012, 09:37:45 AM
I agree with Sandman.  Such a lot of learning with such skilled and knowledgeable input from some of the members.  And then there is excitement of participation in the development of what is already offering success for those who work their way through how to trade the system, with the tradebot offering even more in the future.
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: johnmalko on March 22, 2012, 10:15:36 AM
Quote
We're about two weeks away from release of the Entropy Tradebot which will take care of autotrading selected Entropy Signals.
 
Best regards,
Craig

This is an email I received from Craig on February 2. We are now nearly end of March and still not a single word about this so called trade bot... So, what's up?

Patience is a virtue John.  Entropy is still in the Beta stage and improvements are continually happening.  For those of us that have joined the development,  the manual trading is excellent and I would say that most of us are achieving green pips.  If you request to join you will see for yourself.  Craig is doing a sterling job and I would say that most of the 1200 members agree with me.  The  Bot is aways off yet as Craig is very particular and many members are contributing to the fine tuning of the finished product.  I recommend that you request to join as the FXAW forum is without parallel.  and you will reap the benefits....guaranteed.

Thanks for your input Sandman.
Actually, I'm not complaining about the Entropy system. I'm convinced that as soon you correctly understand and apply the rules and how to deal with the signals, you can make great profits. However, I'm one among many others here who can't afford spending hours in front of their computer waiting for the signals to come and monitoring the trades. For those in my situation, the only option is to use a trade bot and it's clearly a big disappointment for us all to see that there is nothing coming so far.
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: Nirvanafx on March 22, 2012, 08:09:38 PM
I was very recently fortunate enough to have the opportunity to join FXAW and have to agree with Captain Jack 100%. There is a wealth of information from many successful traders on FXAW. An Entropy bot, as nice as it would be to have, is simply a tool to make things a little easier, and will really be  nothing more than icing on the cake. The insights and advice from those individuals such as Captain Jack are invaluable, and are indeed worth well over $299. No where else do I know where a trader is helping others refine and succeed at trading. Everywhere else it is but a ruse to lower your defenses so they can shove a worthless, overpriced sysytem or ea from clickbank down your throat. I am learning so much, and Bluto is under no obligation to create and release Entrpoy, yet he is, but like any person who actually takes pride in his work and repects others, he is trying to perfect it is well as he can.
If this is unaccetable to you, then there are plenty of eas on clickbank that will make you a million dollars in one year with just a $500 deposit for only $37  ;).  I also wouldn't blame Craig from closing the doors again.... Just my 2 pips.


I just want to say one more thing. If I were the owner of the FXAW, the membership fee would be more like 2999.00 instead of 299.00... People would pay that much,  just for for the "information"  that's within the community there. They pay a lot more elsewhere, for things of much less value. Just my opinion though...

CJ
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: jubal on March 22, 2012, 08:18:37 PM
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Sorry for your disappointment John. I've been a member of FXAW for 4 years. I guess you can say I've been waiting for  4 years now and some of the members even longer, but I've never been disappointed for 1 minute. FXAW is a community. Membership there is not about a "bot".

It has REPEATEDLY been stated that Entropy is a commercial venture that is in a BETA test phase. YOU are not even supposed to KNOW about it if you want the truth. Public participation wasn't requested. Word got out on some of these forums and the news was out.

There are plenty of other bots out there since you don't have the time to trade manually nor the patience to wait for the developer to deliver a 100% working, bug free working product. Especially one of such magnitude as Entropy. if you want a half-a$$ed product, that bleeds your money away, fork over 97.00 on any number of them. They won't take much of your time.

Many of the members at FXAW are in the same situation as you, yet they find time to help work out the bugs, and try to help Craig move the project along. When it is finished, these same people will have a great understanding of how and why Entropy works as it does, and be able to take full advantage of it. I'm also sorry to see you won't be in that group.

Some people feel they are "owed" something they are not receiving. That things should progress by your schedule and not that of the developer. Well, I'm sorry that some feel that way, but the membership fee is just that. You are provided with membership, to what used to be a VERY PRIVATE forum. The information that you could gleam from FXAW is well worth 10 times the membership fee. Not to mention all the other "goodies" there.  That doesn't even take into consideration a lifetime of access to Entropy now, and as a finished commercial venture, when the "project manager" decides it's time. But we go by his schedule at FXAW. He doesn't work by ours. It has been many years since Craig opened the doors to new members at FXAW. Perhaps the best thing to do is close them once again.

CJ

Excellent post CJ and my feelings exactly. Its great to be involved in the development of Entropy. Waiting for the bot gives everyone time to learn and understand. At least when the bot comes we will know what its looking for and have no illusions about how it might perform. The "lifetime access" is worth its weight in gold in my opinion, because I have no doubt that when Craig nails Entropy down he will straight away be on another project, an even better one. Its really a no brainer. For 299 you get 3 x crappy EAs or FXAW.
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: oliwand on March 26, 2012, 09:43:10 AM
Hi all,

I'm not yet member of FXAW but I consider it.
Before, I've few questions about the system, thanks to anyone reply to me.
- Do the signals D1 enter at 00.00 GMT and those H4 at 00.00, 04.00, 08.00, 12.00, 16.00 and 20.00 GMT ? So we can check them each day or each 4 hours?
- Do I have a VPS to charge the Entropy signal client in continuous or on my home computer?
- Craig has told about datafeed, is it independant from the MT4 data? and in that case, do I need a special suscription for the datafeed?
- After looking at the images (print screen) that members have charged here to show their trades, is there also an indicator or script  or EA to take the trades or only manual trading?
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: sponn on March 26, 2012, 01:04:17 PM
1. Yes you ca n check entropy every 4 h if you want to use only 4h signals. But sometimes 1h signals are neccesary too.
2. You can use it on vps or on home pc. But only with one of them. When you instal entropy on home pc it won't work with vps later. But you can always ask bluto tochenge pc for entropy.
3. Entropy download signals from Craig database so you don't need mt4 for entropy. It is self working aplication.
4. There are some bots/indicators made by forum members to handle entropy signals. But you have to put them to bot/indicator by hand (entropy->excel->ea/indicator)
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: oliwand on March 26, 2012, 01:45:55 PM
@ sponn: Thanks a lot for your clear answer.

Do you use it? do you appreciate?

Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: sponn on March 26, 2012, 05:37:47 PM
Yes I'm using entropy from time to time but have a lot of other work :(
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: John Henrik on March 26, 2012, 05:52:46 PM
Yes I'm using entropy from time to time but have a lot of other work :(

I have a lot of work, + studies aswell. But I still find entropy amazingly good. Mostly i dont get to catch the H4 and H1 signals, but the D1 signals can use a lot time to reach my entry. so if a D1 signal pops up, I still manage to get the trade, even though I might be 12 hours "late".

I'm still bad at reading signals, but reading the FXAW forum, and paying good attention to CJ's and the other active members posts, this has turned into something very very fun :)
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: sponn on March 26, 2012, 06:09:17 PM
According to CJ posts all signals usually work 3-6 bars after pop up. So for 1H is 3-6 hours later, for 4H signals 12-24 h later, for 1D signals even next week. So there is a lot of time to catch a trade ;)
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: LFN on April 03, 2012, 04:05:43 PM
Still no sign of the trading bot?
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: johnmalko on April 03, 2012, 04:30:17 PM
Still no sign of the trading bot?

It is a bit of a holy grail: a lot of promise but ever-so-hard to achieve.
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: ForexPipMaker on April 04, 2012, 04:56:15 PM
Still no sign of the trading bot?

It is a bit of a holy grail: a lot of promise but ever-so-hard to achieve.

Keep waiting on the Bot, John... meanwhile we trade the signals....

http://www.mt4i.com/users/guardianfx (http://www.mt4i.com/users/guardianfx)

John

Insane growth indeed - and this is if you take every signal I suppose? would you scale down the lots if it weren't a demo? floating DD like that is hard to stomach with real $$
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: Redbaron517 on April 04, 2012, 05:10:20 PM
Captin Jack,
If the Entropy bot trades half as good as you do we are in for a great ride!
Thanks for all your help on the forum. I am still learning the BARF.
Dan
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: sponn on April 04, 2012, 05:32:53 PM
Capitan Jack you should open signal service... I would love to be one of your first customers.

Regards
Bart
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: sponn on April 04, 2012, 05:47:32 PM
Capitan Jack you should open signal service... I would love to be one of your first customers.

Regards
Bart

I'd rather "teach" you how to open YOUR OWN service! LOL

John

After trying with most os signal services here I must say that I trade a little better myself than most of them. So maybe someday. Now I'm still watching your trades to learn.. and they are looks rally amazing. I wish I could make 1/5 of your results ;)

But I'm watching entropy --- if I only have got a little more time.


Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: 4xplosion on April 04, 2012, 10:21:07 PM
Wow...this guy started out Hot out the gate.....nice flame out now:

(in Re: "naked charts strategy".....his biggest indicator was probably his EGO)

http://pamm.hotforex.com/managerdetails/?l=58974123512456235455304&usermode=0 (http://pamm.hotforex.com/managerdetails/?l=58974123512456235455304&usermode=0)
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: LFN on April 04, 2012, 10:46:51 PM
Wow...this guy started out Hot out the gate.....nice flame out now:

(in Re: "naked charts strategy".....his biggest indicator was probably his EGO)

http://pamm.hotforex.com/managerdetails/?l=58974123512456235455304&usermode=0 (http://pamm.hotforex.com/managerdetails/?l=58974123512456235455304&usermode=0)

Is he trading Entropy? If not - why are you posting it here in this thread?
Title: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: daje on April 07, 2012, 04:35:21 AM
Wow...this guy started out Hot out the gate.....nice flame out now:

(in Re: "naked charts strategy".....his biggest indicator was probably his EGO)

http://pamm.hotforex.com/managerdetails/?l=58974123512456235455304&usermode=0 (http://pamm.hotforex.com/managerdetails/?l=58974123512456235455304&usermode=0)

Captain Jack is the real deal, Entropy and his version of naked chart trading by way of  introduction to FXAW members leaves no illusions or room for a veiled performance. CJs input to the threads in support of newbies and seasoned traders alike has lifted traders performance, this in their own words during responses and questions.
Their is no ego involved just a strong conviction in the methods. CJ does not trade exactly the same as I, or any other one person, we are all different, but take some time, join up, or what ever to understand the points being made, and then adapt and move ahead, because you will.
Title: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: daje on April 07, 2012, 06:41:12 AM
Wow...this guy started out Hot out the gate.....nice flame out now:

(in Re: "naked charts strategy".....his biggest indicator was probably his EGO)

http://pamm.hotforex.com/managerdetails/?l=58974123512456235455304&usermode=0 (http://pamm.hotforex.com/managerdetails/?l=58974123512456235455304&usermode=0)

Is he trading Entropy? If not - why are you posting it here in this thread?

Because there is a need to manually enter trades, and this is optimized by improving entry points in the Entropy trade support zones.

The soon to be released trade bot may remove this as an issue, but CJs method may be used in isolation  anyhow, using Entropy as confirmation.

It remains any entry system may be applied, but BARF and CJs PA method are good because they are well suited to Entropy.


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Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: rrobichaux on April 07, 2012, 02:01:59 PM
John what is BARF?
btw I was able to join FXAW but am still waiting on admission.

Thanks for your help.

Bobby R.
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: sponn on April 07, 2012, 03:09:29 PM
John what is BARF?
btw I was able to join FXAW but am still waiting on admission.

Thanks for your help.

Bobby R.

BARF is one of trading strategies/methods explained by Capitan Jack. When you join fxaw forum you can find it into manual trading section.
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: chewz on April 12, 2012, 07:20:28 PM
Hey fxaw guys...gone quiet in here any update about the bot (sorry to ask that annoying question) eagerly following this thread...
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: sponn on April 12, 2012, 09:45:07 PM
There is no date of entropy bot relase. It could be this year, maybe next year (or month who knows). But as far as we know there is two or three Entropy client relases before a trading bot relase.
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: chewz on April 15, 2012, 09:56:40 PM
Capt jack what other forums do you post your trades on?. Hoping you'll be here this week to show us some more trades again!
Title: Re: FXAW
Post by: LFN on April 17, 2012, 12:28:15 AM
Has anyone tried the Jitterbug or RSI ea?  It also states in the whitepapers that there will be an Entropy Tradebot EA released in December 2011....did this ever come out?

I would call this some indication for release date on the tradebot. December 2011.
And even earlier in this thread there is discussions about the release, then it was told to be some weeks away and this was talked about in January.
So there seems to be quite big problems with the bot developement!
Title: Re: FXAW
Post by: kaltrax on April 17, 2012, 08:55:36 AM
Has anyone tried the Jitterbug or RSI ea?  It also states in the whitepapers that there will be an Entropy Tradebot EA released in December 2011....did this ever come out?

I would call this some indication for release date on the tradebot. December 2011.
And even earlier in this thread there is discussions about the release, then it was told to be some weeks away and this was talked about in January.
So there seems to be quite big problems with the bot developement!

Hi friends:

                    I'm very interested to join at Bluto's forum and his Entropy, but after read all posts and documentation, could you help me about if really important the release of EA for Entropy management?

                    It's better use signal service to understand how operates and after a period maybe use an EA to help manage several orders / pairs?

                     Could you help me about this questions?..., sorry my english :-[

Title: Re: FXAW
Post by: adamkhwaja on April 20, 2012, 08:06:48 PM
Has anyone tried the Jitterbug or RSI ea?  It also states in the whitepapers that there will be an Entropy Tradebot EA released in December 2011....did this ever come out?

I would call this some indication for release date on the tradebot. December 2011.
And even earlier in this thread there is discussions about the release, then it was told to be some weeks away and this was talked about in January.
So there seems to be quite big problems with the bot developement!

Unless you have information different from mine , you shouldn't speculate or declare "big problems" in the development of the Bot. As a matter of fact, Entropy is not even a "commercial product" as of yet and is still under heavy and continued development. Not only does it give signals for the Forex markets, latest word from Craig is that there will soon be over 200 different "instruments' that Entropy will be providing signals for.

Anybody who is a member of FXAW, which is a private forum, knows how accurate the Entropy trade signals are and a lot of us are trading them manually with great success. We continue to profit as we PATIENTLY await the release of the trade bot.

CJ

BTW, Captain Jack, how long have u been a member at FXAW?
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: adamkhwaja on April 21, 2012, 02:13:27 PM
I've been a member of FXAW since early 2009.

John

Old timer. So when and what was the last EA released by Craig?
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: kaltrax on April 21, 2012, 09:52:08 PM
Hello

               I was received my membership letter from Craig  :)

               But only needs activate forum access.

               
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: adamkhwaja on April 22, 2012, 06:33:46 AM
I've been a member of FXAW since early 2009.

John

Old timer. So when and what was the last EA released by Craig?

I'm not sure of the release or last update times and dates but the following EA's were created by Craig:

jitterbug Duplex
SuperRSI Deluxe
Zaxxon Scalper
Wolverine
Commando
Marauder
Marauder-Commando
DigBug

There are numerous other EA's on the site, provided by FXAW members, not to mention numerous custom indicators. Most of the previous work has and is evolving into the Entropy Trading System. I believe Craig has made mention of the fact that some of the Jitterbug code and methods is to be used in creating the Entropy Trade Bot. There are several FXAW members who are currently trading Jitterbug live and are reporting excellent results. One member has reported making two withdrawals from his account. Every time that his account has doubled, he withdraws back to his original starting amount.

Jitterbug can be a real ATM and I myself am excited to hear that the Trade Bot will incorporate it's code. Needless to say, it takes a lot to excite me, but when I think of Entropy's signals being traded by Jitterbug..... that IS something to get excited about.

John


John and others,

I have been a member of FXAW for close to 4 years. That last WORKING EA released by Craig is Jitterbug duplex was more than 3 years ago. Since then he came with up with new ideas and concepts which were supposed to become full EAs but that never happened.

Marauder project (Unfinished, evolved into Marauder Commando)
Marauder Commando (Unfinished, evolved into Entropy)
Presently Entropy (Coding going on)

In other other, the roots and coding for Entropy started more than 3 years ago.

The thing about Craig is that he starts a project, but does not complete it. Instead, his ideas change over time and a new project is created and he started coding again. This cycle has been repeating for more than 3 years now.

Of all the EAs John has stated above, only Jitterbug Duplex worked. The rest were canned during beta stages or development simply ceased for no apparent reason, even though the idea behind coding the strategy in the first place was good. Even Jitterbug Duplex has no updates for past 3 years, even the documentation is not updated. Reason given by Craig? He is working on other EA projects, which again have not been released for past 3 years.

In this past 3 years, all we have from Craig are manual tools which were by-product during EA development. These manual tools, including Entrophy require a lot of discretion from the users. In other words, if you were never a good manual trader, Craig's manual tools are not going to be of any help.

Bottomline, I have been PATIENTLY waiting for more than 3 years now for a new EA to be released by Craig. So John, should I wait for another 3 years for Entropy tradebot to be released?
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: John Henrik on April 22, 2012, 10:10:23 AM
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I disagree with you in your statement that the signals are and require a great deal of discretionary input. If they were, they would not adapt so well to the various traders and the methods they employ while trading them.

I just have to add in my positive vote here.

When I joined FXAW and started using the Entropy Signals, it wasnt that hard. Sure you have to read a lot of posts, (Using the search bar on the site made that a hole lot easier) and pick your trades. I for 1 didnt have much success with H1 and M30 trades. But H4 and espesially D1 trades were much much better. I'm no where close to the % winners CJ and others on the forum have.

But after reading CJ's post about BARF, I had an opiffany that I don't understand anything, or very little about Price Actions and Bars.
I promised myself I would educate myself on this, and I'm soon finished with the first book from Al brooks. Price action: Trends.

I used a lot of the BARF examples while trying to read the book so I would learn both on the same path. Going great, though much much more to learn :) It is very exciting too!
Maybe 1 day I can have mainly winners on my account aswell :)

Big thanks to CJ for his effort, and all the other members at FXAW.
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: adamkhwaja on April 22, 2012, 10:50:26 AM
I've been a member of FXAW since early 2009.

John

Old timer. So when and what was the last EA released by Craig?

I'm not sure of the release or last update times and dates but the following EA's were created by Craig:

jitterbug Duplex
SuperRSI Deluxe
Zaxxon Scalper
Wolverine
Commando
Marauder
Marauder-Commando
DigBug

There are numerous other EA's on the site, provided by FXAW members, not to mention numerous custom indicators. Most of the previous work has and is evolving into the Entropy Trading System. I believe Craig has made mention of the fact that some of the Jitterbug code and methods is to be used in creating the Entropy Trade Bot. There are several FXAW members who are currently trading Jitterbug live and are reporting excellent results. One member has reported making two withdrawals from his account. Every time that his account has doubled, he withdraws back to his original starting amount.

Jitterbug can be a real ATM and I myself am excited to hear that the Trade Bot will incorporate it's code. Needless to say, it takes a lot to excite me, but when I think of Entropy's signals being traded by Jitterbug..... that IS something to get excited about.

John


John and others,

I have been a member of FXAW for close to 4 years. That last WORKING EA released by Craig is Jitterbug duplex was more than 3 years ago. Since then he came with up with new ideas and concepts which were supposed to become full EAs but that never happened.

Marauder project (Unfinished, evolved into Marauder Commando)
Marauder Commando (Unfinished, evolved into Entropy)
Presently Entropy (Coding going on)

In other other, the roots and coding for Entropy started more than 3 years ago.

The thing about Craig is that he starts a project, but does not complete it. Instead, his ideas change over time and a new project is created and he started coding again. This cycle has been repeating for more than 3 years now.

Of all the EAs John has stated above, only Jitterbug Duplex worked. The rest were canned during beta stages or development simply ceased for no apparent reason, even though the idea behind coding the strategy in the first place was good. Even Jitterbug Duplex has no updates for past 3 years, even the documentation is not updated. Reason given by Craig? He is working on other EA projects, which again have not been released for past 3 years.

In this past 3 years, all we have from Craig are manual tools which were by-product during EA development. These manual tools, including Entrophy require a lot of discretion from the users. In other words, if you were never a good manual trader, Craig's manual tools are not going to be of any help.

Bottomline, I have been PATIENTLY waiting for more than 3 years now for a new EA to be released by Craig. So John, should I wait for another 3 years for Entropy tradebot to be released?

Perhaps you should address your questions and concerns to Craig as it seems you have an axe to grind with him....

I myself am quite happy with what I have received from the FXAW community. I prefer to trade manually and profit handsomely doing so. I disagree with you in your statement that the signals are and require a great deal of discretionary input. If they were, they would not adapt so well to the various traders and the methods they employ while trading them. I invest my time in myself and learning ways to improve my trading skills and don't expect others to pave my way for me. There is no "yellow brick road" that anybody is going to follow to Forex riches...

FXAW is and has always will be a community of traders, many of who I consider to be of professional level. If you are not satisfied with what you seek at FXAW, perhaps it is time to look elsewhere. As with all of the members of FXAW, we have lifetime access. You can come and go at your leisure.

As for Entropy, which this thread is about, there are several members here who are new members at FXAW and are trading the signals. They are free to add their input as to the accuracy and trade-ability of Entropy's signals. I for one could care less if a "trade bot" was ever released. After 36 years of working hard for a living, I left a 6 figure income to trade professionally. Entropy, in it's present stage made that possible for me. I'm sorry you seem to have not received anything of worth from FXAW, but there is little I can do about that. For me, it has been a God send and has changed my life.

You have been kind enough to keep track of the other EA releases and updates so perhaps you can tell the thread how long the Entropy signal client has been available to FXAW members now.

Like me, you were NEVER promised anything from Craig, other than membership to FXAW and it's content. You can correct me if I'm wrong there, but I know I am not wrong in saying that. Nothing was SOLD to you in any way, shape or form. Like me, you were also, never asked for another penny since you joined FXAW, yet you still have lifetime access to FXAW and that includes Entropy in it's present and future forms.

Only you can answer your question as to whether or not you should wait for an EA.... I myself have no need to wait for it.

John

Oh ya John, I did address this in FXAW forum 2 days ago. Craig did not reply and suddenly the thread went missing! I wonder who did it.

Good for you and the rest who are successfully trading Entropy manually.

Also, I would like to know, which part of my post suggest to you that I mentioned Craig promised to deliver something. I NEVER mentioned that Craig promised anything.

However, the point of my whole post is to let the readers of donnaforex forum be aware that the EA for Entropy MAY never happen based on Craig's track record. Based on what I have read on this thread so far, there are quite a few still awaiting the tradebot EA. And for those pondering about joining FXAW in the future, they can also keep their expectations in check.
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: taggie11 on April 22, 2012, 03:44:56 PM
I have spent today reading through this forum, and I would like to thank Captain Jack and Blutofx for introducing FXAW and Entropy to us all. We all have to be/become traders - we have to understand why we enter a trade and we have to manage that trade once in place. It is clear to me that we are actually risk managers - not really traders. The entropy signals provide an excellent window of opportunity to enter a trade - what we do with that is up to us.
Anyway, I have registered to join the FXZW community (DocT) and I look forward to positive interactions, advice and encourgagement - not to mention EAs and Entropy Signals.
I just wanted to thank you both, and others on this forum, for introducing me to FXAW.
Happy Trading  :)
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: adamkhwaja on April 22, 2012, 03:53:45 PM
I had a feeling about your question and you proved my feeling correct. The "tone" of your post indicates dissatisfaction to me. That you are dissatisfied with what you have received at FXAW and with Craig in particular. As you can tell, I haven't been as active at FXAW as I have been in the past. Mostly due to good weather here and trying to get caught up on outside work. Well, that and getting in a few hours on my bike after the winter here. 8)

I haven't seen any postings from you but like I said, I haven't been active there this past week or 2. In my time at FXAW, I haven't seen any thread "disappear" except for one that I created and ask Craig to remove for my reasons. He saw nothing wrong with my stated thread but he removed it at my request. I have seen threads "locked" and there are one or two there now that are locked. You can still read the locked threads, but can no longer post on them. I can neither confirm nor refute your statement that you created a post that is no longer there, as I haven't seen it or any possible replies to the post that look out of place. Under which thread was it posted??

As far as Entropy goes, Craig has delivered a product that is unlike any that currently exits and is highly accurate in it's trading signals. I do know this as I have studied it extensively. Entropy and I think alike and it's one of the reasons i do so well with it. I can look at a chart and see a trade setup with out seeing the signal. I KNOW the signal is there. Entropy is based on price action and I trade based on price action. It has only been a few months since we have had access to these signals, when Craig started the "beta" phase of testing. There has been many releases of the client as the "bugs" are worked out. The current version has the tabs for "Historical Signals" as well as the "Signal Autotrade Setup". I also know that Craig is working on some new trading methods that would benefit users of Entropy and working to incorporate these into the trade bot. One of these is the BARF method for signal entry. As you can tell from my thread, it would be a nice addition to the bot but it takes time to put it into code.

As you say, there are a lot of people "waiting" for the bot. The doors to FXAW were opened to the public "by mistake" if you will. This wasn't intended and the influx of the high number of new users was the result. Membership to FXAW has been private and when Craig opened the doors so to say, it was meant for friends and family of current, existing members, not to the general public as happened on this site. Those who took the opportunity to join FXAW at this time have taken advantage of a special offer and made a great decision in my opinion. Since the membership at FXAW has swelled beyond what was expected, I can't say how much longer the offer to join will remain in effect. As you well know, Entropy is planned to be a commercial, fee based service in the future, so once the doors close and FXAW becomes private once again, the only way to access Entropy or it's signals will be to pay the going rate for the commercial service. As you can see here, there are quite a few people who are willing to shell out their hard earned money each and every month for "signal services and $97.00 EA's". Perhaps if they wait long enough they can pay monthly fees then, for what they could have lifetime access to now. again, this is my opinion and my mine only as I don't speak for Craig. If I did, the cost to join would be at least 10 times what it is now. I know what Entropy is capable of, more so than anybody else. I know it's true worth and even in it's present form of a client/server signal service, it is worth far more than the membership fee that Craig offers. I can also say that I myself have recommended to Craig that the doors should be shut and FXAW should be private once again.

I have been logged into FXAW this morning and I saw you in the user list at one time, however I still see no new postings from you or any others today. You are welcome to contact me via PM there at anytime and if you re-post what you say was deleted, please CC me via a PM with the contents of your post.

Best wishes and good trading

john

Under Member Banter and General Jibber-Jabber, I titled the thread "An open msg to Craig". Yes, it "disappeared". That is the correct term to use because its just missing out of the blue. No locking, nothing. If you haven't been active for past 2 weeks, you wouldn't know.

In my opinion, $299 membership fee is not worth it. To each his own.

Happy profitable MANUAL trading with Entropy.  ;)
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: kaltrax on April 22, 2012, 05:51:36 PM
Hello

               I was signed recently to FXAW forum, 3 years ago i was study MAX method and they recomended Craig indicators for his system, but until read again at Donna's forum all comments about Entropy i was feel that participate in this new signal software could be very interesting.

               Really 299$ after all expenses what i did at another courses , seminars, EA's is not too much if only has a good EA and a good signal service.

                A good EA cost about 200-400 $ and monthly fees, a good signal service can be cost 100-250$ each month .

                I think that one time fee for FXAW membership it's a good deal..

                But i totally respect another opinion....

Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: blutofx on April 22, 2012, 07:16:36 PM
It's inevitable that when you get a large group of individuals together, traders in this case, there's always going to be a handful of complainers who can't seem to be satisfied no matter what you do and are unhappy with he plan.  In the case of my FXAW group and the Entropy project, I fully expect that.  What I don't expect however and what I've been very emphatic about over the years with my members is that they don't air their dirty laundry in other fine forums such as this.  It simply doesn't belong here, but "adamkhwaja" has chosen to do otherwise, so I'd like to take a brief opportunity here to set the score straight.

As far as the list of EA's that were listed, Jitterbug and Super RSI are indeed viable actively used tradebots, and I use them myself to this day.  Jitterbug in particular has been enormously profitable, but it does require a degree of scrutiny and oversight.  As for the other EA's such as DigBug, Marauder, etc., those were not merely random projects tossed out and then abandoned on a whim just because my interests happened to have changed.  In fact, every one of the project developments at FXAW over our 5 year history has had an integral role in the the evolution of what we now have in the form of the Entropy system.  This is particularly true of the most recent Marauder Commando project for which the currency strength algorithms were directly incorporated into Entropy.

I'm not going to write a long defensive monologue here to explain how things work at FXAW.  I think that enough has been said and demonstrated about what our offerings are and what our strategy is in the case of those who may be interested in joining or curious about our activities.  The bottom line is quite simple - I/we are not about creating/sharing an endless parade of EA's and black boxes which nobody really understands but are free to try out and possibly blow their accounts or end up disappointed with, only to move on to the next black box.  You see this repeated over and over in most if not all of the public (and some private) forex forums and venues.  We're not about providing any self-proclaimed "holy grails" that a trader/member can place on a chart or two and mint money like some ATM machine.  The Entropy project is a work-in-process system which shows huge promise and is designed and intended to involve members in every step of the way.  At the end of the day though, it is an automated system which requires very tedious and careful programming which is not something that can always be forced to adhere to someone's particular timeline....things don't always work the way you want them to and these types of programming inititives take lots and lots of time.  There are a handful of member-traders who are impatient and expect to be spoon-fed a tradebot which they can simply slap on some charts and have it do all of the work for them, and with no real reciprocol effort on their part to learn or understand the methodology of the bot.  These types of individuals will merely proclaim that they paid their membership fee and should therefore be entitled to "the goods" without participating in the project or making any real effort to take the opportunity and genuinely understand the underlying trading rules and method.

It's a very tough job running and administering a Forex forum and trying to keep everyone content.  It astonishes me that adamkhwaja would come here (or anywhwere) and slag the Entropy project just because he/she is impatient and is tired of waiting for the Entropy tradebot.  Even more astonishing is the fact that we are on the pinnacle of having a truely automated system which has a trade signal success rate unlike anything seen anywhere out there.  Entropy signals have consistently been shown to have an 85% - 90% accuracy rate, with many trades producing 100's of pips each.  My only advice and request to members in the interim until the tradebot is finished was to manually trade the signals and polish their knowledge of price action to better understand trade entries.  Many many FXAW members have written me to tell me how much they appreciate the discipline and knowledge that they've finally learned to take when considering trade entries, not to mention the concepts of Risk and Reward - all as a result of manually trading Entropy signals while developments continue towards delivery of a fully automated system.  One of my firm goals at FXAW was to always try to make members better traders, first and foremost....the automation aspect is merely to make our lives easier and free up our valuable time, but one must crawl before they walk, and walk before they run.

In a nutshell, I will say this to anyone here contemplating taking the plunge and joining FXAW - if you are looking for handouts in the form of EA's in exchange for a membership fee, don't bother joining because you will be disappointed.  You can spend your hard earned money buying EA's off eBay or other sources.  If you are genuinely interested in becomming a better trader and you want to participate in the Entropy project not to mention have access to a trading system with unrivaled accuracy and probability for success, then you know where to go.  You've seen the results posted by good folks such as Captain Jack.  These are not doctored up reports or numbers.  The potential and probability for any trader using Entropy to become very very wealthy is REAL and his here NOW via the trade signals for anyone who wants to put in just a little bit of effort.  With the ongoing "Trade-Of-The-Day" examples that several of our senior traders have been posting at FXAW, we've been teaching that extra little bit of price-action discretion required to confirm and act upon Entropy signals.....the "discretion" that "adamkhwaja" apparently finds to be so difficult and annoying.....sorry, but the good things in life do often require at least some degree of marginal effort, my friend.

I will not be posting anything else here about Entropy or FXAW, nor will I be defending our mission, decisions and actions.  Enough has been said and enough has been demonstrated.  If any non-FXAW member here is interested in joining and want further unbiased truthful replies to their questions, they are free to PM email me at any time.  However, in keeping with the rules of the FXAW forum, if I see any further evidence of blatant self-serving non-constructive moaning & slandering of FXAW activities by an FXAW member here or on any other forum, that member will not be looked upon very fondly.

bluto (Craig)   8)
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: blutofx on April 22, 2012, 07:22:00 PM

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Under Member Banter and General Jibber-Jabber, I titled the thread "An open msg to Craig". Yes, it "disappeared". That is the correct term to use because its just missing out of the blue. No locking, nothing. If you haven't been active for past 2 weeks, you wouldn't know.

In my opinion, $299 membership fee is not worth it. To each his own.

Happy profitable MANUAL trading with Entropy.  ;)
[/quote]

Yes, I deleted your thread because instead of PM'ing me or emailing me with any real legitimate inquiry or complaint, you chose to instead call me out in a confrontational manner.  Likewise, I saw evidence on this forum of your banter.  You've been around enough and you know the rules.  I have big shoulders, miles of patience and tons of compassion, but I also have a line in the sand where selfish moaning has to be dealt with.
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: jubal on April 22, 2012, 07:49:15 PM
Ive traded forex for nearly 4 years now with minimal success, but not total failure. I havent blown any accounts but usually end up giving back hard won profits and just treading water. I have tried many EAs and signal services as anyone checking my posts will verify. At this point now I have had my fill of bad products that are designed purely to make money for a vendor, rather than make money for me.
About 2/3 months ago I discovered Entropy and as each day goes on I am more sure then ever that this has been the best decision of my life. The system works! Simple as that. It is not yet as refined as it could be but that doesnt matter. It needs a bit of effort to make it work but eventually things click into place. Like a lot of users I now couldnt care a jot about the tradebot as I dont really see that many advantages. I actually believe this system was meant to be traded manually and would rather see Craigs energy going into that. Excellent news that Craig is working with CJ to incorporate BARF in some way. I would like to see that added to manual version if possible. Its just a pity that a few people keep on moaning about delays and the tradebot. I would advise them to put their energy into trading the system manually. CJ said in a previous post that  eventually you start to "see" . Well my blinkers are slowly but surely coming off.
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: adamkhwaja on April 22, 2012, 08:02:55 PM
It's inevitable that when you get a large group of individuals together, traders in this case, there's always going to be a handful of complainers who can't seem to be satisfied no matter what you do and are unhappy with he plan.  In the case of my FXAW group and the Entropy project, I fully expect that.  What I don't expect however and what I've been very emphatic about over the years with my members is that they don't air their dirty laundry in other fine forums such as this.  It simply doesn't belong here, but "adamkhwaja" has chosen to do otherwise, so I'd like to take a brief opportunity here to set the score straight.

As far as the list of EA's that were listed, Jitterbug and Super RSI are indeed viable actively used tradebots, and I use them myself to this day.  Jitterbug in particular has been enormously profitable, but it does require a degree of scrutiny and oversight.  As for the other EA's such as DigBug, Marauder, etc., those were not merely random projects tossed out and then abandoned on a whim just because my interests happened to have changed.  In fact, every one of the project developments at FXAW over our 5 year history has had an integral role in the the evolution of what we now have in the form of the Entropy system.  This is particularly true of the most recent Marauder Commando project for which the currency strength algorithms were directly incorporated into Entropy.

I'm not going to write a long defensive monologue here to explain how things work at FXAW.  I think that enough has been said and demonstrated about what our offerings are and what our strategy is in the case of those who may be interested in joining or curious about our activities.  The bottom line is quite simple - I/we are not about creating/sharing an endless parade of EA's and black boxes which nobody really understands but are free to try out and possibly blow their accounts or end up disappointed with, only to move on to the next black box.  You see this repeated over and over in most if not all of the public (and some private) forex forums and venues.  We're not about providing any self-proclaimed "holy grails" that a trader/member can place on a chart or two and mint money like some ATM machine.  The Entropy project is a work-in-process system which shows huge promise and is designed and intended to involve members in every step of the way.  At the end of the day though, it is an automated system which requires very tedious and careful programming which is not something that can always be forced to adhere to someone's particular timeline....things don't always work the way you want them to and these types of programming inititives take lots and lots of time.  There are a handful of member-traders who are impatient and expect to be spoon-fed a tradebot which they can simply slap on some charts and have it do all of the work for them, and with no real reciprocol effort on their part to learn or understand the methodology of the bot.  These types of individuals will merely proclaim that they paid their membership fee and should therefore be entitled to "the goods" without participating in the project or making any real effort to take the opportunity and genuinely understand the underlying trading rules and method.

It's a very tough job running and administering a Forex forum and trying to keep everyone content.  It astonishes me that adamkhwaja would come here (or anywhwere) and slag the Entropy project just because he/she is impatient and is tired of waiting for the Entropy tradebot.  Even more astonishing is the fact that we are on the pinnacle of having a truely automated system which has a trade signal success rate unlike anything seen anywhere out there.  Entropy signals have consistently been shown to have an 85% - 90% accuracy rate, with many trades producing 100's of pips each.  My only advice and request to members in the interim until the tradebot is finished was to manually trade the signals and polish their knowledge of price action to better understand trade entries.  Many many FXAW members have written me to tell me how much they appreciate the discipline and knowledge that they've finally learned to take when considering trade entries, not to mention the concepts of Risk and Reward - all as a result of manually trading Entropy signals while developments continue towards delivery of a fully automated system.  One of my firm goals at FXAW was to always try to make members better traders, first and foremost....the automation aspect is merely to make our lives easier and free up our valuable time, but one must crawl before they walk, and walk before they run.

In a nutshell, I will say this to anyone here contemplating taking the plunge and joining FXAW - if you are looking for handouts in the form of EA's in exchange for a membership fee, don't bother joining because you will be disappointed.  You can spend your hard earned money buying EA's off eBay or other sources.  If you are genuinely interested in becomming a better trader and you want to participate in the Entropy project not to mention have access to a trading system with unrivaled accuracy and probability for success, then you know where to go.  You've seen the results posted by good folks such as Captain Jack.  These are not doctored up reports or numbers.  The potential and probability for any trader using Entropy to become very very wealthy is REAL and his here NOW via the trade signals for anyone who wants to put in just a little bit of effort.  With the ongoing "Trade-Of-The-Day" examples that several of our senior traders have been posting at FXAW, we've been teaching that extra little bit of price-action discretion required to confirm and act upon Entropy signals.....the "discretion" that "adamkhwaja" apparently finds to be so difficult and annoying.....sorry, but the good things in life do often require at least some degree of marginal effort, my friend.

I will not be posting anything else here about Entropy or FXAW, nor will I be defending our mission, decisions and actions.  Enough has been said and enough has been demonstrated.  If any non-FXAW member here is interested in joining and want further unbiased truthful replies to their questions, they are free to PM email me at any time.  However, in keeping with the rules of the FXAW forum, if I see any further evidence of blatant self-serving non-constructive moaning & slandering of FXAW activities by an FXAW member here or on any other forum, that member will not be looked upon very fondly.

bluto (Craig)   8)

Thanks Craig, I could not have explained what is happening at FXAW better than you just did. In summary, for people who want to join FXAW in hope of trading EAs, it remains a hope. However, if you're after rapidly evolving high tech manual trading system, then you've got a good chance.

P.S : Craig, nice to see you come out of yr shell to reply to emails. Its been sometime since u posted something in FXAW, your forum BTW.
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: adamkhwaja on April 22, 2012, 08:04:29 PM

Yes, I deleted your thread because instead of PM'ing me or emailing me with any real legitimate inquiry or complaint, you chose to instead call me out in a confrontational manner.  Likewise, I saw evidence on this forum of your banter.  You've been around enough and you know the rules.  I have big shoulders, miles of patience and tons of compassion, but I also have a line in the sand where selfish moaning has to be dealt with.
[/quote]


Hey, u forgot to mention that you have deleted my membership too.  ;)
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: odysseus11 on April 22, 2012, 09:56:31 PM
I have been a FXAW member for over 3 years and want to weigh in here.

Personally, I have spent well over $10,000 in the last 4 or 5 years on forex tools/software/memberships/education/trade rooms/signals/ you name it.

In that time, I would classify 95% of it as mostly useless but serving a purpose nonetheless - to me it was a part of what I consider the cost of educating myself on this industry, inside and out. And I have still much to learn and discover, as the landscape shifts continually. But I now consider myself an experienced and profitable trader.

Regarding FXAW membership, I consider the membership fee as one of the very few items I have purchased that has been worth every penny. I would do it all again. The forum has provided invaluable interaction in innumerable ways, the tools have been useful, and I consider it money well spent, period. I did trade several of the FXAW systems in the past including Marauder, have utilized many tools there, but the main value for me has been interacting with other traders who are professional in nature. They are not scammers, they are not vendors, they are not piraters, they are simply trader who are serious about their craft, and that begins with Craig. Actually reminds me much of the forum here. If Donna all of a sudden charged $199 for lifetime membership, I would be the first in line to pay it gladly. Who here who is a serious trader would not?

 I will admit that I am one of those who is patiently awaiting the tradebot to trade Entropy. However, if I have time I may trade it manually until then because as someone else posted, we really *dont* know when it will show up. And the Entropy signals themselves I have found to be amazing when I have used some of the manual methodology so graciously described by Captain Jack and others.

So bottom line:
For me, absolutely FXAW membership is worth every penny, no question. Not sure it would be for everyone, depends on what you are expecting or looking for. If you think you will pay $200 and Craig sends you an EA, then dont waste your time (or his). If you check out FXAW and want to be a part of a professional and serious community, with tools there already that are useful and some in development that are amazing, then you would likely find it worthwhile. But again, realize the tradebot may be a while in coming. It is what it is. I am hoping for it sooner rather than later too. But that doesnt minimize what I get out of it and have gotten out if it regardless.

Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: aagarcia on April 22, 2012, 11:41:03 PM
Entropy is a great system which we have all caught in it's infancy.  The amount of coding and resources it requires is a HUGE undertaking.  I, for one, will be very patient and expect good things to come.  :)
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: Jake on April 23, 2012, 06:06:50 AM
I will add my hymn of praise for FXAW.  For me it has always been very clear that what I paid was a membership fee, a fee which has proved to be very reasonable for the amount of information gained.  My manual trading skills are not well developed, despite my having spent too much money on different trading programmes.  Mainly I am insufficiently disciplined (despite being theoretically a well trained academic) and become emotionally involved in my trades.  With the advice that is available on FXAW and the Entropy signals I am beginning to make progress, at the moment demo trading, and to see a profitable future is possible for me trading manually.  Of course, I am hoping that the tradebot arrives soon and is wonderful, as then I won't have to become better able to control my emotions and become a disciplined trader.  But if that doesn't happen, I at least can see a way forward that would actually be good for me.  I shall be forever grateful for having being introduced to the FXAW site and for the ability to become a member.
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: don logan on April 23, 2012, 02:47:21 PM
hi - i have been lurking and very rarely join threads on forum chat boards, but felt i would like to find ut more about Entropy, so registered at DF.

i am very interested in entropy and am intrigued by Captain Jack's Barf approach given, among others, his results and postings here. Hence i am possibly looking to subscribe to FXAW.

Before i do so, could someone please answer me the following..
(appologis in advance if they have been asnwered, but i couldnt find the relevant posts if they have)

1. what would happen if anything ( lord forbid) happened to Craig and the entropy server was no longer available. do traders that are manually trading this feel they could somehow fill the void and continue successfully somehow?

2. secondly if i were to join, could any other members from here using Entropy plse advise if the Entropy itself and in particular Captain Jack's Barf with Entropy approach is a repeatable solid daily routine / trading plan? ie: a little more mechanical than say a purely discretional trader using techs or fundis. obviously the market will differ form day to day but a a good plan is a repeatable plan as they say.

3. is the setup process and ongoing feedback/interaction @ FXAW noob friendly?

4. are there any trading rooms where Entropiers mingle and trade full time?

i am not looking for an ea to trade for me. i actually want to trade manually and learn from that and become self sufficient. However i feel i need a solid plan of action when i open up the charts. Screen time and effort, admin to get signals copied to chart etc and discipline will not be an issue if i know i have a solid set of rules to form a base. As it is with my current approach there are rules of thumb, but the discretion sometimes leaves quite a few factors open to interpretation which could be potentially devastating to a noob. I understand there are no definites in the market. Having said that, i would like  to somehow add something more definite in my approach, for now anyway, if that's possible.

Do you think Entropy would deilver on this?

responses would be appreciated.

happy trading

don
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: blutofx on April 23, 2012, 05:42:00 PM
Don - I'll field your questions with inline replies below in red.

hi - i have been lurking and very rarely join threads on forum chat boards, but felt i would like to find ut more about Entropy, so registered at DF.

i am very interested in entropy and am intrigued by Captain Jack's Barf approach given, among others, his results and postings here. Hence i am possibly looking to subscribe to FXAW.

Before i do so, could someone please answer me the following..
(appologis in advance if they have been asnwered, but i couldnt find the relevant posts if they have)

1. what would happen if anything ( lord forbid) happened to Craig and the entropy server was no longer available. do traders that are manually trading this feel they could somehow fill the void and continue successfully somehow?

Last December 2011, I established an LLC which serves as an umbrella for FXAW activities.  I have a silent partner (my accountant) and some other associates that will become involved at a future time when Managed Funds becomes a feature of FXAW.  All source code is routinely backed up and archived at a DR location and kept in Escrow in the event that a falling cinder block takes me out.  Provisions have been made to assure that the FXAW site is cared for and the Entropy application is continually updated as new Windows releases and hardware appear over time.  However, there is no assurance that forward development of new features would occur - essentially the application feature-functionality would be frozen, but then - the signals themselves,  which are the heart and soul of the system are already fully developed and available as we speak.  Likewise, provisions have been made to assure continued broadcast of the signals for the foreseeable future.

Having said all of that, I don't plan to take a hike into the sunset anytime soon.    8)

2. secondly if i were to join, could any other members from here using Entropy plse advise if the Entropy itself and in particular Captain Jack's Barf with Entropy approach is a repeatable solid daily routine / trading plan? ie: a little more mechanical than say a purely discretional trader using techs or fundis. obviously the market will differ form day to day but a a good plan is a repeatable plan as they say.

Captain Jack's "BARF" method is something he was gratious enough to introduce and share with members as an "accessory" to the Entropy signal manual trading process - it's a formidable strategy for managing post-signal price action and selecting the optimum entry point.  However, it is not an integral part of what will become the completed Entropy product which has it's own signal confirmation strategies and tactics, and it was not a part of the original Entropy design.  Having said that, I have regular conversations with the Cap'n and many of his BARF rules already have a counterpart provision accommodated for in the original Entropy signal confirmation design.  There's more than one way to skin a chicken, and BARF is up there at the top of the heap, but no, Entropy does not directly or indirectly advocate a BARF methodology as part of the system architecture.

3. is the setup process and ongoing feedback/interaction @ FXAW noob friendly?

Yes indeed.  We've attempted to increase the focus on new member training, especially given the manual trading mode we're currently in with the Entropy signals.  We have an ongoing "Trade-Of-The-Day" series of topics where senior FXAW members (the Cap'n included) take an Entrop signal from inception to confirmation all the way through the steps of the trade until takeprofit, with annotated chart shots, narratives, etc.  I'm also developing a full DVD Entropy trading tutorial which will accompany the finished product, sometime around mid-summer.  Aside from that, the forum membership has always been known to be helpful and someone will always jump in and answer a question.  There are no "dumb" questions either.  There's no flaming, trolling, roughnecking or confrontation - it's simply not tolerated.

4. are there any trading rooms where Entropiers mingle and trade full time?

Not yet, but there will be once the finished product is released - some time later this year.   

i am not looking for an ea to trade for me. i actually want to trade manually and learn from that and become self sufficient. However i feel i need a solid plan of action when i open up the charts. Screen time and effort, admin to get signals copied to chart etc and discipline will not be an issue if i know i have a solid set of rules to form a base. As it is with my current approach there are rules of thumb, but the discretion sometimes leaves quite a few factors open to interpretation which could be potentially devastating to a noob. I understand there are no definites in the market. Having said that, i would like  to somehow add something more definite in my approach, for now anyway, if that's possible.

Do you think Entropy would deilver on this?

You've come to the right place. 

responses would be appreciated.

happy trading

don
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: kjen17 on April 23, 2012, 07:09:03 PM
this is beginning to sound very good indeed with lots of positive testimonials. It sounds like the higher time frame signals work best: is this a suitable system for someone unable to trade during UK working hours by setting up H4 and daily timeframe trades in the evening with a fixed SL & TP i.e set & forget for the most part?
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: daje on April 23, 2012, 10:57:45 PM
this is beginning to sound very good indeed with lots of positive testimonials. It sounds like the higher time frame signals work best: is this a suitable system for someone unable to trade during UK working hours by setting up H4 and daily timeframe trades in the evening with a fixed SL & TP i.e set & forget for the most part?

kjen17, Hopefully this will answer your question, as the issues that you have mentioned, and the terminology you use (set and forget), border on that which one would expect from one choosing to employ a trading robot. Market timing is such that daily volumes and cycles are reflected in Entropy signals (more positive signals tend to appear at the start of the trading day (0500 GMT).

Strictly speaking, the Entropy method spelt out by Craig is measured by entries placed just outside, or at the TSZ price levels. That is to say place your pending trade entries at the TSZ high or low of a good solid signal (high vector), with stop at recommended place also given with the signal. All risk reward ratios together with the set up are reported with the signal, so you can choose to leave the low RR trades in favour of the higher RR trades based on this info.

You are correct that you will be far better to concentrate on daily signals, as these will allow you time to gather signal data as days pass, and manage placement of trades. The method allows for the fact you may wait a day or three before actually placing a trade, as the price action 'matures' in readiness of the predicted move.

Upon joining FXAW you will quickly find that the TSZ entry method is far more subjective, and members have various ways (not Entropy related)  of 'optimising' their own entry points. This is just normal trading strategy discussion, with some very good strategies promoted and employed between us. Your will also learn how to watch price action 'mature' with the signal.

This is not a robot, and so your own effort will be required to make your own decisions about trade placement, after learning what the signal information tells you. I would say you can develop a quick method to 'filter' only your best set ups just before your leave for work each day.
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: kjen17 on April 23, 2012, 11:42:41 PM
@daje

many thanks for your helpful answer.
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: blutofx on April 24, 2012, 02:38:39 AM
this is beginning to sound very good indeed with lots of positive testimonials. It sounds like the higher time frame signals work best: is this a suitable system for someone unable to trade during UK working hours by setting up H4 and daily timeframe trades in the evening with a fixed SL & TP i.e set & forget for the most part?

kjen17, Hopefully this will answer your question, as the issues that you have mentioned, and the terminology you use (set and forget), border on that which one would expect from one choosing to employ a trading robot. Market timing is such that daily volumes and cycles are reflected in Entropy signals (more positive signals tend to appear at the start of the trading day (0500 GMT).

Strictly speaking, the Entropy method spelt out by Craig is measured by entries placed just outside, or at the TSZ price levels. That is to say place your pending trade entries at the TSZ high or low of a good solid signal (high vector), with stop at recommended place also given with the signal. All risk reward ratios together with the set up are reported with the signal, so you can choose to leave the low RR trades in favour of the higher RR trades based on this info.

You are correct that you will be far better to concentrate on daily signals, as these will allow you time to gather signal data as days pass, and manage placement of trades. The method allows for the fact you may wait a day or three before actually placing a trade, as the price action 'matures' in readiness of the predicted move.

Upon joining FXAW you will quickly find that the TSZ entry method is far more subjective, and members have various ways (not Entropy related)  of 'optimising' their own entry points. This is just normal trading strategy discussion, with some very good strategies promoted and employed between us. Your will also learn how to watch price action 'mature' with the signal.

This is not a robot, and so your own effort will be required to make your own decisions about trade placement, after learning what the signal information tells you. I would say you can develop a quick method to 'filter' only your best set ups just before your leave for work each day.

Very well stated, daje.  Thanks.  I might add that while the current state of the project does involve placing trades manually, the signals themselves provide the "entry zone", stoploss value, several takeprofit levels based upon your specific risk profile, and the Risk:Reward factor for the potential trade (very valuable filter!) as well as a signal strength measurement based upon the number of TSV algorithms which were met which translates into a success probability reading.  The finished system will however be completely automated for those who prefer autotrading and the system will handle all of the signal confirmations and trade entries in lieu of requiring manual discretion.

Craig
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: paulrozza on April 24, 2012, 07:57:23 AM
this is beginning to sound very good indeed with lots of positive testimonials. It sounds like the higher time frame signals work best: is this a suitable system for someone unable to trade during UK working hours by setting up H4 and daily timeframe trades in the evening with a fixed SL & TP i.e set & forget for the most part?

kjen17, Hopefully this will answer your question, as the issues that you have mentioned, and the terminology you use (set and forget), border on that which one would expect from one choosing to employ a trading robot. Market timing is such that daily volumes and cycles are reflected in Entropy signals (more positive signals tend to appear at the start of the trading day (0500 GMT).

Strictly speaking, the Entropy method spelt out by Craig is measured by entries placed just outside, or at the TSZ price levels. That is to say place your pending trade entries at the TSZ high or low of a good solid signal (high vector), with stop at recommended place also given with the signal. All risk reward ratios together with the set up are reported with the signal, so you can choose to leave the low RR trades in favour of the higher RR trades based on this info.

You are correct that you will be far better to concentrate on daily signals, as these will allow you time to gather signal data as days pass, and manage placement of trades. The method allows for the fact you may wait a day or three before actually placing a trade, as the price action 'matures' in readiness of the predicted move.

Upon joining FXAW you will quickly find that the TSZ entry method is far more subjective, and members have various ways (not Entropy related)  of 'optimising' their own entry points. This is just normal trading strategy discussion, with some very good strategies promoted and employed between us. Your will also learn how to watch price action 'mature' with the signal.

This is not a robot, and so your own effort will be required to make your own decisions about trade placement, after learning what the signal information tells you. I would say you can develop a quick method to 'filter' only your best set ups just before your leave for work each day.
Hi daje

You insightful, non-biased and comprehensive description of FXAW and Entropy is what led me to join (today) FXAW, Entropy and it's group of like-minded traders.

I commend you on your comment, these are the sorts of posts I am here to read. I have added +1 rep to you for this, and again, many thanks.
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: daje on April 24, 2012, 09:02:13 AM
Hi Craig, Paul

High praise, very appreciated. Its returned in respect to those who help me along the way, and our journey continues!

re the robot, Im happy that its NOT an entirely automatic system, however i expect two things: a) Craigs robot will perform awesomely (er is that a word?) and b) by the time the robot is available, I will have learnt a great deal more within FXAW, so the robot will further arm this trader!

See you at FXAW, if I can help in anyway please pm me there

Cheers
daje (David)

Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: don logan on April 24, 2012, 11:08:59 AM
hi guys..

thankyou craig for your extensive and informative answers and also daje for your helpful posts.

i will be looking to join in the very near future

in the meantime any further current updates from other DF members who have become Entropiers re their experience as a noob over @ FXAW and the signal trading performance in general is very welcome.


p.s.
Craig said "Having said all of that, I don't plan to take a hike into the sunset anytime soon."

craig.. i wan't wishing an imminent act of god whisk you away  sir honest.. i'm just cautious by nature :-)

thanks guys

don

Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: kaltrax on April 25, 2012, 10:03:23 AM
Hi friends

                    This is my first week and i try study, learn all this fantastic stuff.

                    Meantime i was observed today two powerful 4H signals of Entropy

                    at GBPJPY & USDJPY,  25 pips & 65 pips respectively.


                    I was see how vectors confluence arrived and only 2 hours later

                    prove it like a charm   :D


                    It's very promising...
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: don logan on April 25, 2012, 11:55:40 AM
guys
one more question that's come to mind..

could any entropiers possibly outline what the process is with setting up for the day to get the signals..
it was mentioned ealier somehere on the thread about pulling data into a spreadsheet and then somehow importing data to charts..

could someone please elaborate on this and how often the process for receiving signals setup is required and the process involved?.. is it once first thing/per day? every so many hours/mins?

or is it once setup to the server,  the signals dynamically update  to the host user/spreadsheet or whatever resides on the host pc to recieve th server output?

if i've read between the lines on the thread correctly, i understand that the importing signals to the chart side of things will need to be an ongoing scenario throughout the day, which makes sense as new signals appear.

many thanks

don
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: aagarcia on April 25, 2012, 12:33:49 PM
Hi friends

                    This is my first week and i try study, learn all this fantastic stuff.

                    Meantime i was observed today two powerful 4H signals of Entropy

                    at GBPJPY & USDJPY,  25 pips & 65 pips respectively.


                    I was see how vectors confluence arrived and only 2 hours later

                    prove it like a charm   :D


                    It's very promising...

Yes, please stay on the 4H and higher TFs.  They prove to be the "sweet spot".  Thanks to Cap for his continuous efforts here and on the FXAW board!
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: jubal on April 25, 2012, 02:48:04 PM
guys
one more question that's come to mind..

could any entropiers possibly outline what the process is with setting up for the day to get the signals..
it was mentioned ealier somehere on the thread about pulling data into a spreadsheet and then somehow importing data to charts..

could someone please elaborate on this and how often the process for receiving signals setup is required and the process involved?.. is it once first thing/per day? every so many hours/mins?

or is it once setup to the server,  the signals dynamically update  to the host user/spreadsheet or whatever resides on the host pc to recieve th server output?

if i've read between the lines on the thread correctly, i understand that the importing signals to the chart side of things will need to be an ongoing scenario throughout the day, which makes sense as new signals appear.

many thanks

don

Hi Don. What you get is a signal client, which downloads a signal every 5 mins. The client holds this info so it contains signals from every timeframe from 5M to Daily. Just imagine if you loaded up the client at say, 13:04.  you would then get first signals at 13:05. These would be 5M signals. Same again at 13:10. Then at 13:15 you would get another set of 5M but also a set of 15M. At 13:20 and 13:25 more 5M. Then at 13:30 you would get 5M, 15M and also 30M. etc etc. When you get to the top of the hour again, ie 14:00 you would then get 5M, 15M, 30M and also 1H. If 14:00 was also the close of a 4hour candle then you would get the 4H too. Obviously you would only get the daily set up once a day at the close of the daily candle.
To trade the signals you have 2 options. You can just read the signals direct from the client, pick out anything suitable from whatever timeframe you choose to trade, and enter the levels manually on a chart. Other option which most people do is to export the signals from the client into an excel spreadsheet. Takes only a few seconds to do. You can then simply paste the trade you pick into an indicator someone on the forum graceciously added.  This indicator draws all you lines, ie entry, stop, and 3 levels of take profit. You still have to decide when to actually enter the trade and pick you tp etc.  If you choose to trade 4H signals then you only need to be at your pc just after each 4H candle close. Takes only a few seconds to download to excel, pick out decent looking trades and place on charts. The skill required after that is deciding which to actually trade. Not every set up you place on a chart will end up being tradeable. Also some signals will be received more than once over a period of time with slightly different levels. The hard part of Entropy is deciding best time and place to enter and different people will have their own way of deciding which to take and which to leave. Craig has said that he believes signals need time to refine and mature and ideally you should wait 3-5 bars for confirmation.  This means 12- 24 hours in the case of 4H charts so there isnt any rush.  But with patience it becomes easier to undrstand how Entropy is working and you will get good trades.  hope this explanation makes sense
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: don logan on April 25, 2012, 06:48:44 PM
jubal  -   thankyou very much for your response. that's very helpful.

so once the signal client is setup for the day thats it?.. the only other interaction is checking the signal client for new signals, taking the dynamic signals and updating on the chart or disregarding them (depending on choice of TF etc)

so many more questions but i'll wait until i join.

i will look to trade entropy as advised, hopefully with guidance re the basics & Cap Jacks additions etc.. once i know the ropes i will see if my current method will work tandem with entropy -
(i currently find decent areas for entries, but sometimes overall/ 4hourly to interim  direction of the market can be very subjective and counter productive. if both methods, including the advanced entry techniques on FXAW's forum, can tie up then it will hopefully make a big dent in my search for a solid trading plan).

the more confluence, the better.

thanks

don
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: jubal on April 25, 2012, 07:17:20 PM
Quote
so once the signal client is setup for the day thats it?.. the only other interaction is checking the signal client for new signals, taking the dynamic signals and updating on the chart or disregarding them (depending on choice of TF etc)

Yeah, the client will run 24 hours a day however with so much info being added all the time it can get sluggish and slow down. You need to shut it down at least once a day, preferably more. Simple enough, just close and reopen. Only issue with this is that it loses all history so you dont shut it down until after you export to excel. Craig is working on a fix for the history but its no issue to keep it stored in excel.  If you trade 4H then in theory you only need to be there at the candle closes. If you trade 1H then obviously you need to be there more often. How much time you spend over and above on due diligence for your trades is up to you.
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: don logan on April 26, 2012, 12:21:27 PM
thanks jubal

very helpful

don
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: chewz on April 26, 2012, 10:47:19 PM
Thanks jubal,

How are you getting on with it? are you trading h4/d1 only?, and whats the general feel at fxaw reguaring timeframes?. Its the first time a potential 'bot' has ever excited me, and the signal themselves do. I should be joining up this weekend or early next week. I've also been mailing craig a few questions, and he believes the bot will come around june time for those that are interested.
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: Blayne on April 26, 2012, 11:27:46 PM
I've also been mailing craig a few questions, and he believes the bot will come around june time for those that are interested.

Oh really?  That's new information for me.  Currently on the FXAW forum, the TradeBot is slated as being released on May 7.
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: coolerking on April 27, 2012, 12:04:33 AM
subbing
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: chewz on April 27, 2012, 09:34:53 AM
Well I asked him a realistic indication for when it will be out, and Im sure he probably added on a few weeks to keep me happy if any delay did arise ;)
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: jubal on April 27, 2012, 12:50:35 PM
Thanks jubal,

How are you getting on with it? are you trading h4/d1 only?, and whats the general feel at fxaw reguaring timeframes?. Its the first time a potential 'bot' has ever excited me, and the signal themselves do. I should be joining up this weekend or early next week. I've also been mailing craig a few questions, and he believes the bot will come around june time for those that are interested.

I'm doing ok trading 4H and daily with a few 1H thrown in. Im trading live now at smallish lots and have recovered the subscription fee. You dont take every signal thrown at you and need to be careful but if you have patience you will do ok
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: joaobucks on April 27, 2012, 03:30:46 PM
Jshear, it was enlighting to see your posts on FWAX. Did you lose interest on the system? You haven't updated your progress in a couple of months.

I am watching on the sideline. Several members who bought the membership in January said they would post on their progress. I wonder what happened.

Good luck to all.
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: aagarcia on April 28, 2012, 01:58:59 AM
I've also been mailing craig a few questions, and he believes the bot will come around june time for those that are interested.

Oh really?  That's new information for me.  Currently on the FXAW forum, the TradeBot is slated as being released on May 7.
Keep in mind that those are approximate dates.  Due to the workload, bugs and optimization etc there are usually delays.  Expected for a work in progress.  It's not set in stone.
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: paulrozza on April 30, 2012, 11:29:33 PM
Jshear, it was enlighting to see your posts on FWAX. Did you lose interest on the system? You haven't updated your progress in a couple of months.

I am watching on the sideline. Several members who bought the membership in January said they would post on their progress. I wonder what happened.

Good luck to all.
Probably the same as happens with many forum posters - we get busy with life, and testing systems takes a back seat and updating posts an even further back seat. ;-)

There are some crazy-good promising systems out there at the moment (entropy included), I for one am looking for extra hours in the day to test...
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: sdouglas on May 04, 2012, 05:48:01 AM
Hello All,

I read through the thread today and I am impressed with what and how this software could end up being.  Sounds great now.  I do have a question about the future bot coming out.  My thought on the bot is the logic needs to process all the time so will we need to put it on a vps?  I read that the signal software is bogging down some computers.  Will the bot eliminate that? 

I'm not a member yet.  But looking at it real hard.

thanks,

Steve
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: kaltrax on May 04, 2012, 07:15:00 AM
Hello All,

I read through the thread today and I am impressed with what and how this software could end up being.  Sounds great now.  I do have a question about the future bot coming out.  My thought on the bot is the logic needs to process all the time so will we need to put it on a vps?  I read that the signal software is bogging down some computers.  Will the bot eliminate that? 

I'm not a member yet.  But looking at it real hard.

thanks,

Steve

Maybe i could suggest that if you are interested learn all you can about this system but overall i was discovered a fully revolutionary system and inside FXAW there are several smart traders that acomplish another ways of understand and trade Entropy manually, bot itself is only a little piece to help manage trades.

Please take your time and read all thread you will understand better what i try to explain, i'm not fluent sorry.

Good Trading
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: sdouglas on May 04, 2012, 01:05:05 PM
Maybe i could suggest that if you are interested learn all you can about this system but overall i was discovered a fully revolutionary system and inside FXAW there are several smart traders that acomplish another ways of understand and trade Entropy manually, bot itself is only a little piece to help manage trades.

Please take your time and read all thread you will understand better what i try to explain, i'm not fluent sorry.

Good Trading
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kaltrax,

Thank you for your response.

Steve
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: jubal on May 04, 2012, 01:34:03 PM
Hello All,

I read through the thread today and I am impressed with what and how this software could end up being.  Sounds great now.  I do have a question about the future bot coming out.  My thought on the bot is the logic needs to process all the time so will we need to put it on a vps?  I read that the signal software is bogging down some computers.  Will the bot eliminate that? 

I'm not a member yet.  But looking at it real hard.

thanks,

Steve

The signal client "bogging" down isnt really an issue. What happens is this: The client downloads data to your pc every 5 mins. So as time goes on the amount of info it holds builds up and can slow it down. All you need to do a couple of times a day is simply close the client down and reopen. Takes a few seconds to do so no issue. Most people export the signals to excel so excel then holds all your history for you leaving the client to run afresh.
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: sdouglas on May 04, 2012, 02:50:11 PM
Hello All,

I read through the thread today and I am impressed with what and how this software could end up being.  Sounds great now.  I do have a question about the future bot coming out.  My thought on the bot is the logic needs to process all the time so will we need to put it on a vps?  I read that the signal software is bogging down some computers.  Will the bot eliminate that? 

I'm not a member yet.  But looking at it real hard.

thanks,

Steve

The signal client "bogging" down isnt really an issue. What happens is this: The client downloads data to your pc every 5 mins. So as time goes on the amount of info it holds builds up and can slow it down. All you need to do a couple of times a day is simply close the client down and reopen. Takes a few seconds to do so no issue. Most people export the signals to excel so excel then holds all your history for you leaving the client to run afresh.

Great, thanks Jubal!!!

I see you have been a member for a little while.  Are you continuing to make money using Entropy?   Are you satisfied with what you see inside the forum?

Thanks,

Steve
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: jubal on May 04, 2012, 03:37:54 PM
Hello All,

I read through the thread today and I am impressed with what and how this software could end up being.  Sounds great now.  I do have a question about the future bot coming out.  My thought on the bot is the logic needs to process all the time so will we need to put it on a vps?  I read that the signal software is bogging down some computers.  Will the bot eliminate that? 

I'm not a member yet.  But looking at it real hard.

thanks,

Steve

The signal client "bogging" down isnt really an issue. What happens is this: The client downloads data to your pc every 5 mins. So as time goes on the amount of info it holds builds up and can slow it down. All you need to do a couple of times a day is simply close the client down and reopen. Takes a few seconds to do so no issue. Most people export the signals to excel so excel then holds all your history for you leaving the client to run afresh.

Great, thanks Jubal!!!

I see you have been a member for a little while.  Are you continuing to make money using Entropy?   Are you satisfied with what you see inside the forum?

Thanks,

Steve

Yes Steve I'm still doing ok with entropy. As said before many times here its still in beta form but the basis is there for an excellent system. As Craig continues to refine it and eventually release the tradebot then it promises to be amazing.  The is a wealth of info on the forum including other EAs, and trading strategies. The strength of the forum though is in the quality of a lot of the membership. Some very knowledgeable traders willing to help others
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: sdouglas on May 04, 2012, 04:45:51 PM
Hello All,

I read through the thread today and I am impressed with what and how this software could end up being.  Sounds great now.  I do have a question about the future bot coming out.  My thought on the bot is the logic needs to process all the time so will we need to put it on a vps?  I read that the signal software is bogging down some computers.  Will the bot eliminate that? 

I'm not a member yet.  But looking at it real hard.

thanks,

Steve

The signal client "bogging" down isnt really an issue. What happens is this: The client downloads data to your pc every 5 mins. So as time goes on the amount of info it holds builds up and can slow it down. All you need to do a couple of times a day is simply close the client down and reopen. Takes a few seconds to do so no issue. Most people export the signals to excel so excel then holds all your history for you leaving the client to run afresh.

Great, thanks Jubal!!!

I see you have been a member for a little while.  Are you continuing to make money using Entropy?   Are you satisfied with what you see inside the forum?

Thanks,

Steve

Yes Steve I'm still doing ok with entropy. As said before many times here its still in beta form but the basis is there for an excellent system. As Craig continues to refine it and eventually release the tradebot then it promises to be amazing.  The is a wealth of info on the forum including other EAs, and trading strategies. The strength of the forum though is in the quality of a lot of the membership. Some very knowledgeable traders willing to help others

Jubal,

That is awesome to hear.  Thank you for your insight. I'm going to join this weekend.

Steve
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: sdouglas on May 07, 2012, 12:00:22 AM
Signed up this afternoon.  I'm pretty excited and looking forward to trading currencies a whole lot better than I am doing now.   ???

I understand there is a little bit of a wait to get signed into the forum. 

Thanks to all who comment on this thread.   :)

Steve

UPDATE:  received confirmation from Craig that I signed up.  I registered at the forum and waiting for that approval.
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: kaltrax on May 07, 2012, 09:27:47 AM
I was spent this weekend reading all Captain Jack thread about Price Action....simply fantastic, is a real eye-opener about hard and true facts about Forex participants..

My best advise to all people that will start in next dates is read carefully all posts and material whith a clean mind, forget all your technics and let the music play  ;D

Good Trading
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: coolerking on May 11, 2012, 01:36:44 AM
Hi, im quite encouraged by this thread.

I already trad PA on the the lower t/fs and wish to progress to the higher t/fs so this community interests me.

I am still readin through the thread but there are some good noises being posted by existing members.

I trade off a almost naked chart so good to to see some good clean charts posted here.

Sons fallen asleep now so back to bed

CK
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: danbo on May 15, 2012, 05:45:12 PM
Hi
I have just finished reading this thread, interesting stuff. How are folks getting on with the system?
I would mainly be looking to trade it manually on the daily due to time constraints (job). Main issue with daily is wide stops (with small bank) and lack of signals, how is Entropy on these fronts ? It sounds like you can be selective and only choose good r:r trades which is a plus.

Cheers Dan
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: kaltrax on May 15, 2012, 07:39:32 PM
Hi
I have just finished reading this thread, interesting stuff. How are folks getting on with the system?
I would mainly be looking to trade it manually on the daily due to time constraints (job). Main issue with daily is wide stops (with small bank) and lack of signals, how is Entropy on these fronts ? It sounds like you can be selective and only choose good r:r trades which is a plus.

Cheers Dan

Actually markets are very noisy, but if you study daily & 4h is a very good time frame for select the best pairs.

Also R:R greater to 1  and TSZ's at least 2 upper levels.

Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: coolerking on May 15, 2012, 11:17:29 PM
Hi
I have just finished reading this thread, interesting stuff. How are folks getting on with the system?
I would mainly be looking to trade it manually on the daily due to time constraints (job). Main issue with daily is wide stops (with small bank) and lack of signals, how is Entropy on these fronts ? It sounds like you can be selective and only choose good r:r trades which is a plus.

Cheers Dan

Actually markets are very noisy, but if you study daily & 4h is a very good time frame for select the best pairs.

Also R:R greater to 1  and TSZ's at least 2 upper levels.

Hi Dan,

The daily signals are my favorites. When you come to understand that Entropy is giving you an early warning of a possible trade setup approaching, you have time to set your charts up and monitor the price action to see if it's going to be productive.

It doesn't take much time out of your day to keep the D1 signals up to date. More often than not, I base my trades on signals that arrived a week or so before the trade. All you need to do is plot the signal to chart and monitor the price action. Some signals give small stops while others arrive with large stops. It all has to do with the volatility of the pair at the time the signal arrives. When I set a stop, it is usually a small one as I've been lucky enough to take entry into my trades, near the SL level of the signals. It comes with time and practice and certain price action patterns.

Several of the members at FXAW have created some utilities and EA's to help manage the trades or even put you in them. I prefer to do it manually though as most times I won't set a stop, but monitor the trade closely. I'm retired so it's easy for me to do that when I take a trade.

John

Hi Captain Jack, like your work!

Im thinking about joining up as I have always wanted to trade higher t/fs,

I notice reversals are mentioned a few times throughout the thread. Would it be fair or accurate to say that one if not the main example on trading PA on this system is 123 reversal, or the breakout following reversal, which can often be quite powerful moves. I imagine that getting early on such moves could offer good R:R

I could have got the wrong end of the stick but if it would be helpful to me if not the others following this thread if you could summarise the main methods being used in the forum, not such the detail, but if they are well practiced PA techniques already in the public domain, it would be helpful as we could then decide if they suit us as a trading style or commit to joining and learning them. There may be some tweaks in there I wouldnt expect you to discuss but if for example you were trading PA using untested S&R I could relate to that and know what you mean.

I hope I make sense, ive read the once but will need some more time to fully absorb this.

CK
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: danbo on May 16, 2012, 08:34:37 PM
Thanks Kaltrax and Captain Jack for your responses much appreciated

Db
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: coolerking on May 16, 2012, 11:48:49 PM
Hi Captain Jack, like your work!

Im thinking about joining up as I have always wanted to trade higher t/fs,

I notice reversals are mentioned a few times throughout the thread. Would it be fair or accurate to say that one if not the main example on trading PA on this system is 123 reversal, or the breakout following reversal, which can often be quite powerful moves. I imagine that getting early on such moves could offer good R:R

I could have got the wrong end of the stick but if it would be helpful to me if not the others following this thread if you could summarise the main methods being used in the forum, not such the detail, but if they are well practiced PA techniques already in the public domain, it would be helpful as we could then decide if they suit us as a trading style or commit to joining and learning them. There may be some tweaks in there I wouldnt expect you to discuss but if for example you were trading PA using untested S&R I could relate to that and know what you mean.

I hope I make sense, ive read the once but will need some more time to fully absorb this.

CK


To go over all of the ways and methods that the members of FXAW use to trade the signals would take up more space than this thread does. The best I can tell you is that the signals will "fit" into your style of trading as that seems to be what we do. Entropy provides it's signals based on many factors. We don't know exactly what those are and we don't need to. The signals give advance warning of a possible trade setup that is approaching. Couple that with your system or some of the methods we use, like price action, S&R, Gann, Fibos, or harmonics and you should do well.
You can use a 123 indicator if you wish or none at all. Most of the signals identify possible turning points for price. They could be reversals, or just re-traces or pull backs. In essence, you can swing trade from signal to signal with it. I do this regularly. There is no need to trade 30 pairs, just pick one or two and get familiar with them, then trade them both ways. That's about the best I can do for you...to summarize, Entropy's signal fits everybody's trading style.

John

Hi there Captain, and thanks, first chance to reply

Thats useful information and exactly what I was looking for

Thanks once again

Regards

CK
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: coolerking on May 23, 2012, 03:06:34 PM
Well I have emailed Craig and requested membership to the forum.

Im looking forward to trading the longer timeframes, im definitely more of a swing trader than scalper

Regards

CK
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: coolerking on May 25, 2012, 04:55:56 PM
Hi

Right im a full member now and have downloaded all files and have rthe signal client working

Whats the best source of material or thread in the forum, so that i can get setup for next week

Cheers

CK
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: joaobucks on June 03, 2012, 01:22:15 PM
"To go over all of the ways and methods that the members of Entropy use to trade the signals would take up more space than this thread does."

In other words, Entropy is everything to everybody. It is what YOU make of it. It seems impossible to rate Entropy objectively because nobody knows whether the results are from Entropy or the trader's action. And someone who wants to trade on daily tf is told that he will have to "monitor price action". How can you monitor price action without dedication certain hours of day when markets are active (e.g., London and NY open)?

Much is said about Entropy on this thread, but nobody is willing to post a link of trading statement. It looks like there is a gag order prohibiting members from posting complete results. Photoshop of partial statement is okay. Incredible!

So many people on this thread said earlier this year that they had just joined. Then no word is heard from them anymore. Either they are having great results or struggling along to see how Entropy will fit their trading style.
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: guernica on June 03, 2012, 02:21:39 PM
"To go over all of the ways and methods that the members of Entropy use to trade the signals would take up more space than this thread does."
In other words, Entropy is everything to everybody. It is what YOU make of it. It seems impossible to rate Entropy objectively because nobody knows whether the results are from Entropy or the trader's action. And someone who wants to trade on daily tf is told that he will have to "monitor price action". How can you monitor price action without dedication certain hours of day when markets are active (e.g., London and NY open)?
Much is said about Entropy on this thread, but nobody is willing to post a link of trading statement. It looks like there is a gag order prohibiting members from posting complete results. Photoshop of partial statement is okay. Incredible!
So many people on this thread said earlier this year that they had just joined. Then no word is heard from them anymore. Either they are having great results or struggling along to see how Entropy will fit their trading style.
I'm a FXAW member since beginnig and my word is:
I'm waiting EA because i have no time to wait signals come (that burn my eyes).
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: Curtis_S on June 04, 2012, 01:39:27 AM
I have been a member of FXAW for several months now.

I have not been able to make a profit on a demo account using the signals as they come (on H1, H4, Daily). Using the signals requires considerable time as you have to be at the computer in such intervalls as the signals you want arive, like every one or four hours or at the end of the day. The software running on your computer accumulates a lot of data as it receives signals every 5 Minutes (starting at the M5 timeframe) for many pairs. This causes the software to stop functioning if you don't close and open it twice a day to delete the data. You are able to save the data in a spreadsheet format. This will quickly accumulate many files on your computer. You can, of course, summarize what you need and delete the rest. Anyway, I felt it was a lot of work.

I have entered trades according to the signals for several small periods (days). Each attempt did not result in a positive trading result for those trades. It might have been bad luck to pick periods in which the signals did not work in general. More discipline might have kept me in the game and reach a positive result.

Several traders on the FXAW forum claim they are trading Entropy profitably. They use discretion for their decisions in which Entropy is one tool amoung others.

If I knew what I know now before I bought the membership I wouldn't have bought it. Instead I would have waited until a fully automated Entropy EA is available. And still then I would now wait until I see meaningful positive forward results of many trades.

Still, Entropy has some good potential to be profitable.
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: joaobucks on June 04, 2012, 02:15:15 AM
Thanks, Curtis. In my view this was the most relevant post on this thread.

And those waiting for an EA since January have been told, essentially, not to hold their breath. What a joke -- to promise and not deliver.
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: Jake on June 04, 2012, 03:18:06 AM
I think. joabucks, that those comments from someone who is not part of the FXAW community are unnecessarily derogatory.  If you had been part of the community, you would understand that what has been promised is a development process, with the expectation that at the end of it there will be a trading robot.  The timeframes for delivery of that trading bot are certainly beyond what was forecast, but I for one would sooner have a fine end product than a faulty product delivered to meet an arbitrary deadline.  And in the meantime there has been heaps of activity on the FXAW site which has been very useful from my perspective in terms of education.  I do not at all regret becoming a member.
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: FGB-Human on June 04, 2012, 06:35:24 AM
Hold on your horses CJ

The reason why members on this forum DEMAND a VERIFIED trading proof with every
trading system out there is to prevent them selfs as well as other viewers who drop by donna
forum from falling into scams. (And you should be VERY thankfull for this golden rule)

From my experience in Forex, 100% of vendors who refuse to show there results while being able to hide what ever info they wish to keep private such as their name and account balance are indeed not worth not worth a penny.

I can personally detirmine how many years of forex experience one has in 10 minutes, by just looking at his 3 months trading statement with over 70 trades in it. And I think that NO ONE has made a penny with Entropy, otherwise we would have seen at least one member posting his results which is "again" what members usually do here for ALL system.
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: adamkhwaja on June 04, 2012, 11:58:06 AM
"To go over all of the ways and methods that the members of Entropy use to trade the signals would take up more space than this thread does."
In other words, Entropy is everything to everybody. It is what YOU make of it. It seems impossible to rate Entropy objectively because nobody knows whether the results are from Entropy or the trader's action. And someone who wants to trade on daily tf is told that he will have to "monitor price action". How can you monitor price action without dedication certain hours of day when markets are active (e.g., London and NY open)?
Much is said about Entropy on this thread, but nobody is willing to post a link of trading statement. It looks like there is a gag order prohibiting members from posting complete results. Photoshop of partial statement is okay. Incredible!
So many people on this thread said earlier this year that they had just joined. Then no word is heard from them anymore. Either they are having great results or struggling along to see how Entropy will fit their trading style.
I'm a FXAW member since beginnig and my word is:
I'm waiting EA because i have no time to wait signals come (that burn my eyes).

Keep waiting my friend.
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: adamkhwaja on June 04, 2012, 11:59:13 AM
I have been a member of FXAW for several months now.

I have not been able to make a profit on a demo account using the signals as they come (on H1, H4, Daily). Using the signals requires considerable time as you have to be at the computer in such intervalls as the signals you want arive, like every one or four hours or at the end of the day. The software running on your computer accumulates a lot of data as it receives signals every 5 Minutes (starting at the M5 timeframe) for many pairs. This causes the software to stop functioning if you don't close and open it twice a day to delete the data. You are able to save the data in a spreadsheet format. This will quickly accumulate many files on your computer. You can, of course, summarize what you need and delete the rest. Anyway, I felt it was a lot of work.

I have entered trades according to the signals for several small periods (days). Each attempt did not result in a positive trading result for those trades. It might have been bad luck to pick periods in which the signals did not work in general. More discipline might have kept me in the game and reach a positive result.

Several traders on the FXAW forum claim they are trading Entropy profitably. They use discretion for their decisions in which Entropy is one tool amoung others.

If I knew what I know now before I bought the membership I wouldn't have bought it. Instead I would have waited until a fully automated Entropy EA is available. And still then I would now wait until I see meaningful positive forward results of many trades.

Still, Entropy has some good potential to be profitable.

Ah, someone who agrees with me discretion required. Glad to hear that.
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: joaobucks on June 05, 2012, 03:01:19 AM
Thanks to Donna, this forum is the most enlightened forum on forexland. It is open for discussion, debate, challenge, proof, no-proof, tell & show, etc. Anyone posting photoshopped, fragmented trading statement will obviously be challenged. Or does Captain Jack think he is entitled to exception? Prove me wrong with facts because so far what I've seen are:

a) fragmented, partial statements (such tactic belong in the realm of scam, doesn't it?);

b) no strong reassuring words from those new members who joined in the hope on Entropy EA;

c) when someone criticizes FXAW (Entropy), Bluto comes in here and writes a defense diatribe of many words of little substance;

d) past indicators like Marauder REPAINTS, rendering it more than worthless. Repaint indicators belong in the realm of scam. Don't they?  I'd be ashamed to publish a repaint indicator. Why a self-proclaimed NASA rock-scientist distributes a repaint indicator and thinks it is best thing since ginger bread?

e) the "great profitability" of Craig's past systems (martingale/grid type) that he mentions in the PDF (via email) have had no continuity since ages ago;

f) Entropy robot was due in a "few days" back in January, then "weeks away", now June;

g) meanwhile, send in your $299. You are "not buying" EA's and indicators. But they are not exactly free either;

h-z) Did I leave something out?
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: joaobucks on June 05, 2012, 03:23:33 AM
By the way, indeed Captain Jack has no obligation to prove anything to us. But since he chose to post fragmented statements here, then it is only fair and expected of us to question what is being posted.
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: adamkhwaja on June 05, 2012, 05:49:41 AM
FXAW is run under dictatorship, no member is allowed to question what Craig/Bluto does. The moment you question, membership is cancelled and membership fee you pay vanishes into thin air.

Perhaps I should start my own forum, learn basic MQL, start programming and show the potential of the systems I am developing by writing long whitepapers and keep making money with new members joining everyday.
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: daje on June 07, 2012, 07:52:16 AM
Its a fact of life that a service sets itself up for criticism merely by presenting its case to the general public. Adam, you are a dreamer, they exist, you want to be spoon fed like a baby bird after your repeated posts, rather have it shoved down your throat. Here goes:

More reiteration that the FXAW technique is developmental, and that astonishing performance, mixed with false positive signals are all a part of what a FXAW participant experiences. It remains the signals are discretionary (yeah , so?), as is the pre disposition for an individual to succeed or fail using this or any such technique. IT IS NOT AUTOMATIC that your experience at FXAW will return your $299 investment. I will not post copies and examples, mainly because Ive got other things to do, and its not agreeable to share my investment for the purpose of criticism by others in general. Do you see anyone actually posting the signals here, no way!

You buy the expectation the auto trade bot will eventually be available from Craig, and the expectation HIS next iteration of an already impressive system will improve over the last. No More. Deal with that alone, as most clued up new members do,  and further flaming etc becomes pointless.
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: adamkhwaja on June 07, 2012, 08:15:02 AM
Its a fact of life that a service sets itself up for criticism merely by presenting its case to the general public. Adam, you are a dreamer, they exist, you want to be spoon fed like a baby bird after your repeated posts, rather have it shoved down your throat. Here goes:

More reiteration that the FXAW technique is developmental, and that astonishing performance, mixed with false positive signals are all a part of what a FXAW participant experiences. It remains the signals are discretionary (yeah , so?), as is the pre disposition for an individual to succeed or fail using this or any such technique. IT IS NOT AUTOMATIC that your experience at FXAW will return your $299 investment. I will not post copies and examples, mainly because Ive got other things to do, and its not agreeable to share my investment for the purpose of criticism by others in general. Do you see anyone actually posting the signals here, no way!

You buy the expectation the auto trade bot will eventually be available from Craig, and the expectation HIS next iteration of an already impressive system will improve over the last. No More. Deal with that alone, as most clued up new members do,  and further flaming etc becomes pointless.

Yet another one ranting without posting any proof.  ::)
Title: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: daje on June 07, 2012, 08:49:23 AM
Your proof will not be posted. READ the rant:

Also in regard to proof. Captain Jack has already posted and proved  huge (real) returns in fxbook as he has stated. To repeat what he did requires explanation of his method available in FXAW, it is partly Entropy FXAW, but typically your own complimentary (discretionary) method requires to accompany Entropy.

As with all things time will tell...
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: Jackmarkets on June 07, 2012, 09:02:42 AM
Not going to touch this one with a bargepole.
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: FGB-Human on June 09, 2012, 08:59:51 AM
thats a one long reply full of BS

You claim that you're an experienced trader, yet you post screenshots of MT4i (instead of posting a live updating link for it which clearly indicates that you're hiding a bad period) that is an old scam trick.

Second, ANY experienced trader (or even a beginner) will understand the importance of posting live results on myfxbook and not take that 10% gain offer you have suggested wth no trading proof, as the trading style could include martingale, grid or even high risk trades so the trader could gamble his way through out the month.

I do not think that you know how to trade (as you claim) as you clearly do not understand the BASICS requirements which every trader must know when trading. Understanding how to avoid martingale and grids is something we do in elementary school  ;D
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: adamkhwaja on June 09, 2012, 09:10:23 AM
Captain Jack,

You took so much time to replicate my old posts at FXAW, so nice of you to make my reply even more simple. The proof is there for everyone to see why FXAW is a dictatorship. Sing praises about FXAW, you can hold on to your membership. Any form of criticism posted, your membership vanishes.

True, I posted 114 posts in FXAW. 113 praises and 1 criticism, I got booted from FXAW. FXAW is not a fair playing ground.

BTW Captain Jack, post 114 was deleted by Craig. Read this thread again, where he admitted to deleting the post. So the "mysterious" post is not that mysterious after all.
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: adamkhwaja on June 09, 2012, 07:07:54 PM
Captain Jack,

When I have been banned from the forum, how do you expect me to reply to a PM in FXAW?

Anyway, my conscience is clear. All I have done is posted my experience about FXAW in this forum. To each his own, and this is my outright opinion about FXAW. You can dispute all you want, but my overall negative experience at FXAW is written in stone.
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: FGB-Human on June 09, 2012, 09:52:59 PM
CJ where is YOUR verified myfxbook?

All those long replies full of BS and still this discusion has not progressed at all.

As for my trading, if you check the forexverified statement you WILL see the full history and lot sizes as nothing is hidden and the proof of no martingale being used is there, and the drawdown clearly shows a 30.15% for both balance and equity; however, you just don't seem to be a good researcher and this discussion with you is a complete waste of time.

Either post your lousy myfxbook and SHOW us your trading result or just keep your mouth shut and stop trying to suck people into your filthy Entropy scam.
Title: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: daje on June 09, 2012, 10:01:06 PM
Busted! CJ I don't wish Adam luck, as FGB and Adam both chiming at once is too ironic. Business plan wrecked perhaps? Wouldn't surprise following the cynical call out of FXAW members to show results. Certainly won't happen now!

Btw commercialisation of FXAW signals by members definitely will get you banned.


Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: FGB-Human on June 09, 2012, 11:15:31 PM
as I said, the lot sizes are made visible on forexverified,,, here is the link:
http://forexverified.com/reports/humanpower/humanpower001.html

Now that I have confronted your accusations with a solid proof, and proved them to be false... Why don't YOU confront OUR accusations of you being a filthy scammer (which I am now 100% sure of) and post YOUR myfxbook?

Donna, can you please step in on this one, its getting quite irretating trying to explain/convince this guy that we ALL know that he has forged his trading statements by posting the good trading periods and hiding the bad ones!
Title: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: daje on June 09, 2012, 11:50:07 PM
Jeez, what is it you want exposed exactly, CJ's volatility o meter?

Remember CJ is a PRIVATE trader, you ask for proof, and what he provides it immediately debunked as momentary. cJ has been in the public forum since 2009. His results, and even personal circumstances, are all out there. Yes he will be inconsistent, due to these as well as the market itself.

FGB your barge poles and I'll show you yours if you show me mine rants suggests you have other issues.

I don't normally comment at a personal level, but for what it's worth CJ has my vote here.

Sorry CJ had to.
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: jshear on June 09, 2012, 11:56:32 PM
I am looking at FGB Human real account stats and I don't see lot size?  Also account is only 2k account?  Lol. My vote too goes to CJ and Bluto. 



Cheers


Jeff

PS I notice FGB Human posts in other vendors threads and as he is here to sell his product I see this as a major conflict. Why don't you FGB Human stick to your thread. Unless your posting in the Broker section or other sections where you have no conflict of interest
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: Jake on June 10, 2012, 04:01:16 AM
You have my vote, Captain Jack.  Your input here but especially on on the FXAW forum has been very helpful.
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: kaltrax on June 10, 2012, 07:30:23 AM
You have my vote, Captain Jack.  Your input here but especially on on the FXAW forum has been very helpful.

I'm not fluent but I second my vote to Captain Jack and Bluto (Craig) for all his contributions to FXAW community , his value , dedication and kindness overpasses by tens the pitty price of membership.
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: FGB-Human on June 10, 2012, 09:50:28 AM
So is this what I get in return? just a bunch of false accusations and attacks at a personal level for trying to expose what I believe is is something obvious here?

There are NO VERIFIED PROOF for this Entropy system, the only proof here is a screenshot posted by someone who "claims" that he is not the vendor and refuses to show us the full link of his account obviously to hide the bad periods.

CJ = Entropy vendor .... end of the story

I am quite frustrated to see that I am not getting ANY supporters here and therefor I don't think I will be posting on this section of this forum anymore other than my own thread.

Good luck
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: kjen17 on June 10, 2012, 11:04:22 AM
Quote
Oh touche my friend, touche!! Well done!! Pulling a 3rd account from up your sleeve! You know, that kind of activity used to get people shot, don't ya??

the 3rd account is a reputable third party review site?

Irrespective of rights and wrongs i suspect that the recent postings here haven't been of much use to the Donna Forex community in assessing the merits of Entropy.
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: tkerlinger on June 10, 2012, 09:12:06 PM
Hi Folks;

I have an opinion that I would like to share here........

Anyone who is a vendor on this forum and is trying to sell a commercial EA or system, should be expressly limited to doing only that. They should not be allowed to go around taking potshots at other peoples ideas and offerings. IT'S JUST WRONG!

Therefore I put my full support behind the Captain in his efforts to throw cold water on the baseless criticism being leveled at FXAW and Entropy.

I have been a member at FXAW since July of 2008, and have gained vast amounts of knowledge from Bluto and the membership. I am fully confident that my patience will be rewarded, in a huge way, as Entropy is completed and released for our (members) use.

Tom K




Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: FGB-Human on June 10, 2012, 09:21:10 PM
Hi Folks;

I have an opinion that I would like to share here........

Anyone who is a vendor on this forum and is trying to sell a commercial EA or system, should be expressly limited to doing only that. They should not be allowed to go around taking potshots at other peoples ideas and offerings. IT'S JUST WRONG!

Therefore I put my full support behind the Captain in his efforts to throw cold water on the baseless criticism being leveled at FXAW and Entropy.

I have been a member at FXAW since July of 2008, and have gained vast amounts of knowledge from Bluto and the membership. I am fully confident that my patience will be rewarded, in a huge way, as Entropy is completed and released for our (members) use.

Tom K

Yes, I completely agree with you, although I have only posted here when I read a comment accusing CJ of posting fake trading statements, as my posting here was done with  good intentions.

Sorry about that guys, and I wish you all success... Including CJ  :)
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: jubal on June 11, 2012, 11:05:17 AM
Hi Folks;

I have an opinion that I would like to share here........

Anyone who is a vendor on this forum and is trying to sell a commercial EA or system, should be expressly limited to doing only that. They should not be allowed to go around taking potshots at other peoples ideas and offerings. IT'S JUST WRONG!

Therefore I put my full support behind the Captain in his efforts to throw cold water on the baseless criticism being leveled at FXAW and Entropy.

I have been a member at FXAW since July of 2008, and have gained vast amounts of knowledge from Bluto and the membership. I am fully confident that my patience will be rewarded, in a huge way, as Entropy is completed and released for our (members) use.

Tom K

Yes, I completely agree with you, although I have only posted here when I read a comment accusing CJ of posting fake trading statements, as my posting here was done with  good intentions.

Sorry about that guys, and I wish you all success... Including CJ  :)

This thread seems to have livened up a bit. Interesting that FGB-Human still has not answered question by CJ regarding the 3rd account which mysteriously appeared. So in effect he is the real scammer duping his clients, whilst CJ is most certainly not a vendor, therefore has nothing to prove to anyone. Strange how people try to twist things into their own perspective. What bugs me here is that people still dont get it with Entropy. Its been stated on numerous occasions that Entropy is still in beta form. That means its not a finished product therefore people will be trading it slightly differently and will have different results. Anyone joining entropy is the recent past or near future are playing a vital role in helping Craig get it right for the finished version. I agree that updates dont come as quickly as expected but at the same time I realise that coding this sort of thing must be an enormous task. As for results so far I wont publish anything as they are mixed in with other stuff so no real value to anyone. But although things have been tough recently with entropy I reckon that I have made back at least 2/3 of the 299 cost just by trading very small lots. I prefer to do this rather than demo trade. I dont think Entropy has faired any better or worse than other systems at this time based on the way the markets are behaving right now. Entropy is not a Holy Grail and does need a bit of effort. All this has been stated before also. Personally for me its been best investment in Forex not because of present or even past results, but when you use it for a while you start to understand the potential it has for the future. I also agree that membership should be closed. There would then be no more need of this thread and all discussions would be "in-house" on FXAW forum
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: joaobucks on June 12, 2012, 01:21:04 PM
CJ, this is the fragmented statement I was referring to.

If indeed you make good profits from trading, congratulations. I know how hard it is to pull profits from trading. My only concern is whether it is your skills or Entropy itself the cause of your success because the thread should be how good (or bad) ENTROPY is and not how good of a trader you are.
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: daje on June 12, 2012, 04:22:47 PM
 :o

** APPLAUSE **

Yes, and id just like to add ... (just kidding)

Just like weve sat through the Magnum Opus.

Its good to have you around CJ.

Cheers
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: aagarcia on June 12, 2012, 04:29:00 PM
Just wait for the EA.
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: adamkhwaja on June 13, 2012, 07:17:40 PM
CJ,

Based on your trading statements, you seem to be a brilliant trader. Hats off to you. From 30th March to 12 April, you managed 623% from a 50000 dollar account is sheer brilliance. At this rate you would be a billionaire in no time, of course I reckon you would be headhunted by some large hedge fund sooner or later.

All the best to you my friend.  ;)
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: FGB-Human on June 15, 2012, 07:10:05 AM
Just wanted to add a little sumpin sumpin for those who say we never post accounts... Most of you know i don't do this much anymore due to the distraction factor, but I'll throw a few out now and then... For you guys at FXAW, I've been talking about a few trade setup's in the BARF thread at FXAW and posted one with an Entropy signal with a BARF confirmation not too very long ago, like hours... looks like they are on the road to paydirt! Live trades, as always, on my Oanda account:

(https://donnaforex.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1206.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fbb447%2Fjsaffron%2F6-11-20126-58-57AM.png&hash=0c2c0a1a17a603b79aa1b6050d86a2bd)

Some could say I'm just posting another set of trades from a fragmented account, but that's their opinion. Like I said, what matters to me is the bottom line and GREEN PIPS! I'm looking for close to 3000 pips or so on each one of those open, live trades, and I'll show the closures when they occur. R:R of something like 1:8 or higher on these...

Good luck folks and good trading!

John

CJ

Just for the fact that you post cut screenshots of a couple of days of trading and be happy about it is another proof that you're a newbie... As trading is all about consistency, which is something you clearly do not have, otherwise you would have had shown-off with your long term results, not a couple of days of trading.

Jubal.... discrediting someone who is posting his results and updating them live EVERY 5 MINUTES on THREE different accounts and calling him scammer, while giving all the credit to someone who just REFUSE to show his verified statements and keeps posting
those one to three days screenshots of trading and disregarding bad periods is actually not smart at all.

For my trade history, its already shown on forexverified (or is that not good enough for you now? and you really rather seeing small screenshots instead?). Just because CJ "said" that my forexverified statement has nothing to do with my other statements does not mean he is right, you should do your own homework! ( it is quite obvious that CJ is just bringing this up to run away from posting his own results, and i am quite surprised that no one can see this)

For those who want me to reveal the history of my longer term account (which is not a big deal at all, as ALL accounts have the same trades and they were all posted to demonstrate what clients would get if they subscribe)... then get CJ to post his FULL trading history as well (which is something I am 110% sure that he can't do, otherwise he will be BUSTED)

I did not want to post here anymore, but found some posts quite irritating so decided to finally respond.
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: Jake on June 15, 2012, 08:02:33 AM
Personally I think the correspondence between FGB-Human and Captain Jack has gone beyond it's usefulness quotient.  FGB-Human has not grasped that Captain Jack is not trying to sell anything, and therefore does not have to verify his records.  Those of us who are involved in both this forum and FXAW have learned a lot from Captain Jack, and hopefully will continue to do so.  The fact the the debate has descended to name calling (and calling Captain Jack a newbie is just ridiculous when you follow his posts on how to trade) demonstrates to me that this dialogue should stop.  I would prefer FGB-Human to concentrate on any thread of his own in which he can promote, prove and sell his product, and Captain Jack to ignore FGB-Human.  You do not need to prove anything to me,Captain Jack, and I suspect many others.  You have already shown the depth and level of your skills, and I honour you for being prepared to share that knowledge so freely with those prepared to listen.
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: FGB-Human on June 15, 2012, 08:46:06 AM
Keepcalm, as I said before, I completely agree with the opinion of not posting on this thread anymore, but I just found my self irritated when I read some of the responses here.

For the part were you said the CJ does not sell anything and therefore does not need to prove anything, I think you're wrong. As I believe that CJ has not made a penny nor did anyone else on this forum and ALL other forums from Entropy nor the FXAW membership, so the fact that CJ keeps claiming that he is making money and typing those long posts that consume a lot of time, pretending to be a winner while refusing to verify his account and posting couple of days of screenshots instead while hiding all the losing periods and while claiming consistency based on a couple of days of winners is actually not just a proof that he is a newbie who is full of BS, but also brings a high possibility of an affiliation between him and Craig (If they are not the same guy)

So you guys are looking at two possibilities here
Either:

1) I am a scammer (which CJ somehow has convinced some members of me being so)

OR

2) CJ is a lying, delusional hypocrite who is wasting all your time with BS about trading which is the BS that will never actually help you in YOUR trading

I am really starting to think that all those who say that they have gained trading knowledge are all just being confused and delusioned by CJ and his alikes at FXAW.
Title: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: daje on June 15, 2012, 10:19:16 AM



Jubal has ALREADY said some don't get it in regard to Entropy. After all a commentary on its return on investment to members by a non member, FGB Human, is plainly ridiculous. All readers of this thread should be aware of this caveat. Unfortunately I think you will remain irritated...
FGB you have overlooked key elements to this discussion. All in respect to Entropy method and its current state as a beta system.
It does still remain you are or at least could be plain wrong about CJ, as well as the implication he could be Craig. This is in fact laughable to those of us who know the truth.
For myself, I have little interest in the accounts discussion, it's rather boring. This does NOT read that I discount CJs comments.
I buy and sell currencies, I guess that makes me a trader. The methods I employ involve CJs ideas ( plainly presented in FXAW), Entropy, and a few of my own gemstones. I am an active trader, focused on becoming a better one.
Next comes the discussion about how much better you are because your 'results' are all verified, and how you better fit the definition of a trader than CJ does. No thanks, no more please. Boring.
May I suggest you agree toFXAW terms and become a member to complete the circle of discussion, otherwise you are stumbling in the dark here.
I don't measure the success of FXAW by the current size of my account, there is far more to it than that in addition to the future of the system itself.
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: John Henrik on June 15, 2012, 07:01:03 PM
A neutral message to the FGB guy.

Hi!

I read just some where here, that you said what CJ teach us is wrong. (Another word used.. not important)

Well... I just so happend to to "open" my eyes after entering FXaw forum, and reading some of CJ's post about a trading method.
First, i didn't understand squat, and I didnt trade with it because it was to complex for me.
I wrote a little post on the FXAW forum to a new guy aswell. And I said: It is kinda like reading the code that appears in the matrix..
(http://blog.xeround.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/Matrix-code.jpg)

Just that, it's called Price action. And its the same shitty soup thats used in forex trading, gold trading, crude oil, the eMini market.. Whatever.

Since im not done with all 3 books (Trading price action - bar by bar, by Al Brooks), i have only tried to trade a few few times. To see if what he says is true. Can you really see what the market does, by simply looking at the screen? The answer is: drums** Yes.

This book also tells me to read the book series several times, once I am done. Because I will pick up what I didn't understand in the first round.

I have made 7 trades, on the 5 min chart. (The books focuses on 5 min charts mostly, but contains higher Timeframes since its mostly the same thing)

2 of theese are full winners. 3 got break even, and 2 got stopped out (After cutting risk in half).
(Dont flame now, i know 7 trades count for nothing.)
The reason I havent trade more, is simply because I still dont feel to confident about it yet. (so much easier when we can blame someone else right? "but he told me to go long..")

However though, I have been applying what i know so far to Entropy. Since Entropy is a system, I can blame it for losing. I guess its a psychology thing.

I have picked good signals(Though there have barely been any lately), checked the charts for more signals, and tried to check the charts for Price action the book describes it.
Using 0.5% or 1% risk per trade. My results combined so far is
http://a4.ec-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/124/875ce9203b9f4a79be22af5e090e379a/l.jpg
(not 1000%, not even 10%. but the risk compared to the gain (r:r) is pretty kewl)

I seriously also thought about the whole "Bragging" thing with Myfxbook etc. And I don't want to use it anymore.
I have put more money on the line now, to take myself more seriously also.
Besides, i have actually never seen a real myfxbook statement or whatever, that has over 20 000. I guess people just stop showing it. And I kinda feel why.



Thanks! peace out and be chillin' n' laxin'

edit: I Also think trading is super boring. but so is my other job.

another edit: I still use experts. Growthbot with 0.01 lot per 1000usd. And forex envy (Y i know its martingale), on a seperate account using half risk they reccomend, and only using the Long cycles. (Not only longs (buys), but baskets that close over a longer period of time. Read their forum section:))
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: FGB-Human on June 15, 2012, 07:46:48 PM
CJ , by trying to bring Donna members in the middle of this by claiming that I am insulting them is a proof that you're delusional (as mentioned in my previous post), and by saying in the above post that John Henrik 7 trades are better than All the myfxbook you have seen in your life is a proof that you're a hypocrite. And by keeping on saying that I have not provided you with proof of my trading (by disregarding both of my myfxbook verified accounts as well as the forexverified account) is also a proof that you're a liar ! So in reality I never insulted you, I was merely reporting.

All trades are copied from my live to my demos using fixed lot set-ups, and if you wish to see my private history on the account in my signature (although I have already provided my forexverified link for history), and yet I keep repeating again and again.... FIRST post YOUR results on myfxbook, and I will be more than happy to reveal any details you want on my myfxbook page.

So do that and stop trying to run away each time I request to see your verified statement, its getting too ridicules and childish of you.

Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: 4xplosion on June 15, 2012, 08:20:10 PM
FGB - hhhmmm...let's see:  that you're delusional, you're a hypocrite, that you're a liar

You may be on the path to being banned from this forum...this is deragotory name calling & it's not what u say....but how u say it......I've seen Moderators ban people for less...so u may want to tone it down a bit....have a nice day!!
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: FGB-Human on June 15, 2012, 09:05:58 PM
Instead of getting members thanking me for all the facts which I have exposed on this thread;however, I just keep on getting those un-founded attacks. I really wanted to help you guys here and have never asked for anything in return; but unfortunately I have to say that I'm done here... The truth will find its way to all of you one way or another.

Good Luck
Title: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: daje on June 15, 2012, 10:04:16 PM
Those words are very personal and defamatory.

I suggest the personal aspects of this dialogue are continued at FGB Humans thread.

FGB / someone can you please post the link as I for one am very bored of this dialogue.


Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: jubal on June 15, 2012, 10:22:31 PM
Instead of getting members thanking me for all the facts which I have exposed on this thread;however, I just keep on getting those un-founded attacks. I really wanted to help you guys here and have never asked for anything in return; but unfortunately I have to say that I'm done here... The truth will find its way to all of you one way or another.

Good Luck

Most of us reading this thread already know the truth. Help like yours I dont need. Youre so wrong I actually feel embarrassed for you
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: odysseus11 on June 16, 2012, 12:31:48 AM
I dont really care if FGB is right or wrong on the subject matter (even though I disagree with his conclusions).
What I *do* care about is the name calling and personal attacks. Not acceptable, clearly against forum rules.
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: joaobucks on June 19, 2012, 12:56:46 PM
Superb results shown by CJ. Too bad there is no way of knowing whether this is cent account or whatever. In the world of forex anything is possible.
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: XOden on June 19, 2012, 01:02:52 PM
I see a lot of reference toward a cent account being bad....I'm sorry, but I fail to see the justification to this at ALL..

In my humble opinion, an investment vehicle is measured in risk and in  % gains.  So what the heck does it matter if its a cent account or a million dollar account....Who gives a shit? I've seen this over and over everywhere.....if you're making money on a cent account, you're making money on a regular account and vice versa.....



Superb results shown by CJ. Too bad there is no way of knowing whether this is cent account or whatever. In the world of forex anything is possible.
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: 4xplosion on June 19, 2012, 05:25:25 PM
Superb results shown by CJ. Too bad there is no way of knowing whether this is cent account or whatever. In the world of forex anything is possible.

Thanks Joaobucks, but as a US resident, I don't have access to "cent" accounts....

CJ

Last time I checked Oanda has nano account.....but a far as Pico account.....I don't see any US brokers with Pico (cent)
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: kaltrax on June 19, 2012, 08:23:38 PM
 I don't care if his results are cents or millions....

  CJ is a very good trader and money is only a byproduct,, don't forget it¡¡

  Trading is an art not a science , when i see all his posts always give us a bit of Art.

 
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: reinerh on July 11, 2012, 04:41:43 AM
Since this is an account at PFGBest and PFGBest is now PFGBust, the account will not be updated as their servers are down and out....

For those that recall the last time I posted an account, the numbers are almost the same if not better and is VERIFIED:

http://www.myfxbook.com/members/MidAtlanticFX/pfgbest1/339716

CJ

cj,

you must have cleaned them out ehhhhhh :)

sure hope you did not loose anything with them, since i remember vaguely you had live accounts with them.
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: reinerh on July 11, 2012, 04:54:04 AM

oh darn, i am very very sorry to hear that.

thank goodness you can make it back :)

its still a bad situation to be in. heads up cj, you will be ok.
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: Jake on July 11, 2012, 07:30:00 AM
Best wishes, Captain Jack.  I hope you are able to recover most of your money as the PFG saga is resolved.
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: fxbabe on July 11, 2012, 09:38:00 AM
Best wishes, Captain Jack.  I hope you are able to recover most of your money as the PFG saga is resolved.

It seemed they only have 5 million out of 400 million which meant 1 penny to a dollar or losing 99%?  If that is true then this is really really bad.  This is as comparable as being margined out.
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: jubal on July 11, 2012, 09:45:28 AM

oh darn, i am very very sorry to hear that.

thank goodness you can make it back :)

its still a bad situation to be in. heads up cj, you will be ok.

Nothing to do but wait and pray for the PFGBust funds.... other wise, I'm off to rape and pillage a new broker as soon as funds hit the account!  8)

CJ

Bad situation and hope you get something back. Its something  all should be wary of with our own respective brokers. I have never believed for 1 minute that my funds are totally safe and segregated. Last broker I remember going bust was Jade Fx which got a bit of exposure here on the forum. Anyone know how that panned out? Folks get money back?.  Anyway my thinking is that your funds are better spread amongst different brokers, ie if you have 10k then 4 brokers x 2.5k. etc etc. You could just use a copier so that when you place a trade on 1 account you get same trade on all accounts, therefore still trading on 10k balance.
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: fxbabe on July 11, 2012, 09:57:40 AM

oh darn, i am very very sorry to hear that.

thank goodness you can make it back :)

its still a bad situation to be in. heads up cj, you will be ok.

Nothing to do but wait and pray for the PFGBust funds.... other wise, I'm off to rape and pillage a new broker as soon as funds hit the account!  8)

CJ

Bad situation and hope you get something back. Its something  all should be wary of with our own respective brokers. I have never believed for 1 minute that my funds are totally safe and segregated. Last broker I remember going bust was Jade Fx which got a bit of exposure here on the forum. Anyone know how that panned out? Folks get money back?.  Anyway my thinking is that your funds are better spread amongst different brokers, ie if you have 10k then 4 brokers x 2.5k. etc etc. You could just use a copier so that when you place a trade on 1 account you get same trade on all accounts, therefore still trading on 10k balance.

NFA really have done US citizen a very unfavorable thing.  By reducing leverage, the only way to trade meaningfully is to increase deposit.  By doing so, we are unfavorably exposed our deposit to broker's risk.  I have foreseen this coming and sure enough this happen.  I wonder what NFA has to say now.  Better to give us more leverage instead than taking it away. 
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: LFN on July 11, 2012, 09:58:43 AM
Sorry for OT -
Quote:
PFGBEST is not only customer-centric, but compliance-focused. We consider it a privilege to conduct business with you and to be an advocate for you. We abide by all regulations mandated by the CFTC and the rules of NFA to hold customer funds in segregated accounts that are always separate from operational funds.

I thought segregated accounts meant that your money is safe and the broker cant touch them, right?

Why is everybody so keen about segregated accounts if it does not mean anything in cases like this?
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: jubal on July 11, 2012, 10:32:52 AM
Sorry for OT -
Quote:
PFGBEST is not only customer-centric, but compliance-focused. We consider it a privilege to conduct business with you and to be an advocate for you. We abide by all regulations mandated by the CFTC and the rules of NFA to hold customer funds in segregated accounts that are always separate from operational funds.

I thought segregated accounts meant that your money is safe and the broker cant touch them, right?

Why is everybody so keen about segregated accounts if it does not mean anything in cases like this?

Segregated should mean exactly that. Your funds should be separate from brokers general working expenses. This should be monitored and checked by NFA or FSA for example in UK. But obviously in this case it wasnt checked by NFA which allowed the money to be embezelled. And if it happens at a big firm like PFG then it surely is happening elsewhere. We always knew brokers were dishonest and this is the tip of the iceberg
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: odysseus11 on July 11, 2012, 02:25:39 PM
Exactly, Jubal - gotta keep deposits spread out, NEVER too concentrated at 1 broker, for exactly this reason.
And like you said, just use a local trade copier to mirror trades to all accounts.

Sorry for your loss, CJ.
Hoping for Entropy 1.4 soon, though!
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: fxbabe on July 11, 2012, 03:40:12 PM
Exactly, Jubal - gotta keep deposits spread out, NEVER too concentrated at 1 broker, for exactly this reason.
And like you said, just use a local trade copier to mirror trades to all accounts.

Sorry for your loss, CJ.
Hoping for Entropy 1.4 soon, though!

I wonder with all the delay that we will ever see Entropy EA.  I have a feeling they are delaying because it is not profitable and won't dare to release it. 
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: canfx1 on July 11, 2012, 03:54:14 PM
Exactly, Jubal - gotta keep deposits spread out, NEVER too concentrated at 1 broker, for exactly this reason.
And like you said, just use a local trade copier to mirror trades to all accounts.

Sorry for your loss, CJ.
Hoping for Entropy 1.4 soon, though!
Hi odysseus11

Which local trade copier you use/recommend?
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: odysseus11 on July 11, 2012, 04:03:07 PM
for local copying (on the same PC or VPS), I use mt4i.com copier.
its free and fast.

Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: fxbabe on July 11, 2012, 05:06:29 PM
for local copying (on the same PC or VPS), I use mt4i.com copier.
its free and fast.

Did you find mt4i copier eating up memory depending on how intensive it copy?  I tried once with copying a grid and it eats up memory really fast like 25 to 50mb a day. 
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: odysseus11 on July 11, 2012, 05:13:59 PM
I have it running on a CNS VPS that has 10 mt4 platforms running at once and havent noticed any memory issues.
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: fxbabe on July 11, 2012, 05:53:59 PM
I have it running on a CNS VPS that has 10 mt4 platforms running at once and havent noticed any memory issues.

Hum, I am also using CNS too and that is why I noticed the memory problem and it is coming from the slaves.  If you are copying to 10 different MT4 you should have 10 different slaves and that should eat quite a bit of memory each day like at least 10 to 20mb.  I wonder why you don't have that problem.  What I have to do is restart my all my receivers every few days to release the memory which is a hassle.
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: odysseus11 on July 12, 2012, 12:54:34 AM
I said I run 10 platforms at once, I dont run 10 slaves at once.
I run I think right now 4 or 5 slaves at once, and again have not noticed any memory issues.
I do a weekly defrag on the weekend.
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: themaxx on August 01, 2012, 01:54:08 PM
Might want to change your signature there genius:

(https://donnaforex.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi49.tinypic.com%2F23r68ia.png&hash=972cdb62e1b520a72b6414291c4c0f4c)

Not the best advertisement for a $200/month signal service.

CJ , by trying to bring Donna members in the middle of this by claiming that I am insulting them is a proof that you're delusional (as mentioned in my previous post), and by saying in the above post that John Henrik 7 trades are better than All the myfxbook you have seen in your life is a proof that you're a hypocrite. And by keeping on saying that I have not provided you with proof of my trading (by disregarding both of my myfxbook verified accounts as well as the forexverified account) is also a proof that you're a liar ! So in reality I never insulted you, I was merely reporting.

All trades are copied from my live to my demos using fixed lot set-ups, and if you wish to see my private history on the account in my signature (although I have already provided my forexverified link for history), and yet I keep repeating again and again.... FIRST post YOUR results on myfxbook, and I will be more than happy to reveal any details you want on my myfxbook page.

So do that and stop trying to run away each time I request to see your verified statement, its getting too ridicules and childish of you.
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: LFN on August 12, 2012, 07:29:32 AM
Any updates about the release of the EA?
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: John Henrik on August 13, 2012, 05:58:01 PM
Any updates about the release of the EA?

There is a Tradebot being released soon. (Soon can be the next 12 years after what I have experienced on that forum :))

But Its probably far away from the final product. Its an EA that recieves filtered signals that you preset.
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: kjen17 on September 13, 2012, 07:50:16 PM
I won't ask about the EA lol, but is this still working for people who put the time in?
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: odysseus11 on September 13, 2012, 07:58:28 PM
I havent even attempted to run it yet - but v 1.4 was actually just released a day or 2 ago and members can download it.
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: kjen17 on September 15, 2012, 09:42:52 AM
that's interesting, thanks CJ.
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: zuk156 on September 23, 2012, 10:05:24 AM
I won't ask about the EA lol, but is this still working for people who put the time in?

http://www.myfxbook.com/members/MidAtlanticFX/fxcm2/376997

CJ

That link is worth more than a thousand words.

Will there in future also be possible to see myfxbook of recently released ea? Is anyone who has access to ea willing to make a sacrifice?  :P
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: Sidekickeh on September 24, 2012, 06:32:52 PM
I won't ask about the EA lol, but is this still working for people who put the time in?

http://www.myfxbook.com/members/MidAtlanticFX/fxcm2/376997

CJ


Thats pretty impressive there el Capitan! Are you running only the signals on there? Or other stuff too? Is this generally how most people are performing as well? Or do results really vary based on how you structure and interpret the signals? Great results either way. Keep it up!
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: swissforex on October 17, 2012, 09:27:45 AM
Hi there
reading with great interest this thread
please keep on
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: shaonmra on October 19, 2012, 08:24:59 PM
So you are using Entropy. Its my study materials of data warehouse and data mining. Do you have data set of major currency pair?
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: joancb on October 22, 2012, 04:27:29 PM
good stuff going on here
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: kabitto on October 25, 2012, 03:35:19 PM
I don`t quite understand how to become a member of FXAW by sending 299$ to email
blutofx@gmail.com .

I tried sending payment via PayPal and what i got is :

"This recipient accepts PayPal payments only through their website. To complete this payment, please go to their website and follow their instructions, or email the recipient for instructions."

http://fxaw.activeboard.com ?

Can`t find anything in there.

Any ideas guys.
HELP :)


Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: kaltrax on October 25, 2012, 07:28:59 PM
Hi Kabito

 You must send payment (299$) to oasisclearance@yahoo.com (Robert Scheiffer)

 at PAYPAL.

 This is what i did and send your receipt to blutofx@gmail.com

 Good Trading.
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: kabitto on October 25, 2012, 07:33:55 PM
Thanks :)
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: garyfinch on November 15, 2012, 02:58:47 PM
I've been trading Entropy for quite some time now and, like most, find it interesting but obviously still a long way off from a finished product.

I wish craig would get some additional help though.  Around 500 new members have joined since the membership drive, and at $299 each that's almost $150,000 in additional funds already contributed, so perhaps he could outsource some of the coding?

Mind you, Captain Jack's contributions to that board alone are worth the membership fee. 
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: 4xplosion on November 26, 2012, 09:18:33 PM
Wow....if the above is  true....then you should change your handle to "Very Angry Member".......so far no replies to offer an explaination....glad I didn't shell out hefty fee they charge...let's see what they have to say!
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: odysseus11 on November 26, 2012, 09:26:06 PM
I really couldnt personally care less about Craigs name/aliases/job. Who cares?
Why is that relevant?

He has provided a signalling system already in Entropy that, although far from a finished product, already gives some great signals, I use it to trade myself. For me, thats all I care about. His community at FXAW is supportive and creative. Craigs dedication is plain for any to see, even if his self-proclaimed deadlines are seldom met. It just takes extra patience.

His personal details for me are meaningless. Just my opinion.
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: ultracat on November 26, 2012, 10:10:40 PM
4.  So, bluto is actually Clark Farabaugh.  Pretty simple huh?

It looks like you build a whole case, but am I correct that the basis of all of this is simply that he/they used the same DOB on an online profile?  If so, that's pretty weak.  I rarely use the correct DOB or any DOB for my online profiles.  They are business partners.  You don't think Bluto could have just been the one to make the other guy's profile for him on the forum?  Anyway, will be interesting if he/they respond to you, but it's hardly a smoking gun by itself if it's just the same DOB.

edit:  this doesn't look like even remotely new info btw....
http://www.forexfactory.com/showthread.php?t=224513

...from 2010!
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: rb62 on November 28, 2012, 06:51:18 PM
What's going on ?  Have some relevant posts been deleted ?  I don't understand the serious allegations that are being alluded to.  Please share details please.
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: ultracat on November 28, 2012, 07:39:55 PM
The allegation is that Bluto is not who he says he is.  No one seems to care except the dude who posted it in the first place, and now he's left.  I wouldn't worry about it unless you hear something official from Donna.  Competitors come on forums etc to try and make the competition look bad all the time, just a waste of time usually.
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: sponn on November 28, 2012, 09:10:12 PM
Who cares who bluto is when Entropy is working and giving right signals...
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: fxbabe on November 28, 2012, 09:28:06 PM
The allegation is that Bluto is not who he says he is.  No one seems to care except the dude who posted it in the first place, and now he's left.  I wouldn't worry about it unless you hear something official from Donna.  Competitors come on forums etc to try and make the competition look bad all the time, just a waste of time usually.


I think may be because Bluto never deliver that EA that so long delayed...  To some may be he dupe traders into believing an EA is imminent during that 1st and 2nd fund raise but probably Bluto knew from the very beginning that this doesn't exist.  Who know may be there might be a 3rd effort to fund raise again in the future given he has done it twice then it might become very clear that he is out for money instead of delivery an EA.
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: sponn on December 28, 2012, 09:27:03 AM
I was a member of FXAW for 6 years and still nothing profitable ever came out of there, some stuff that has been tweaked or modded by members might be somewhat , maybe but not directly from  Bluto. I have confirmation from the lawyer Nasa at Langley research Center that no one by that name never has worked there, not that it really matters now.

So you probably have never read Captains Jack manual trading system, right ?
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: Jimbob on December 28, 2012, 03:21:08 PM
Sure have captain is masterful trader
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: Jimbob on January 24, 2013, 10:11:17 PM
People are leaving FXAW since its the same old promises for nealry 7 years now
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: JimDog on February 05, 2013, 08:23:31 AM
Yet another release date missed this one had a firm promise as well. Members are now being threatened with a ban should they complain.
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: fxtrader1234 on February 05, 2013, 10:19:58 AM
The idea was good but the timeline is almost a 3 year investment?!
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: JimDog on February 08, 2013, 06:44:09 PM
Yet another release date came and went without a murmur.
Meanwhile people are still joining so its a nice steady income thats being milked.
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: fxdf on February 19, 2013, 05:51:12 PM
I did register to Blutos Forum about 10 days ago.
But never made any payment.

Today I received following mail...

Greetings, Forex Trader!
Thank you for your interest in Forex Autotrader's World (FXAW). Because you
recently registered a User ID on my private web-forum, I am sending you the attached
membership invitation document which includes all of the information about FXAW
including our trading tools and how to join our group.
The invitation document describes what steps you need to take should
you decide to join us. In addition, I'm attaching a white-paper document containing
some information which you may find of interest about a new revolutionary Forex
trading system called "Entropy" which I first released to my group members in early
December 2011. I realize that the term "revolutionary" sounds cliche' and I'm
certain that you see similar terms such as "groundbreaking" and such all day long
when you encounter yet another Forex trading system for sale, especially for the
Metatrader platform. I can assure you that Entropy is for real and is achieving some
truly unprecedented results....results that i've never seen in my 40+ years of trading.
Likewise, I am for real as well, unlike the artifical personalities you see in web ads
and on boxshots selling Metatrader Expert Advisors.
Our private forum has over 1,500 members, all working together and collaborating
to make our trading tools even better. The last several months of performance
with Entropy during our final beta-shakedown phase have been off the charts.
Take a look at the white-paper and see for yourself.
Let me know if you have any further questions. I'm always available to help.


** UPDATE @ 02/01/2013 **


The new Entropy trading system has now completed it's 14th month of post-beta trading
(live and demo) in the hands of over 1,500 FXAW members and we have accumulated
some very solid metrics on the trade signal performance. Entropy uses a very relaxed
"swing trading" style of trading and during many months of development, it was my
observation and conclusion that the H4 timeframe consistently yielded amazing
performance. This has proven itself to be the case in the hands of our FXAW members.
The H4 & H1 timeframes have yielded an astonishing 85% - 87% success rate with
an average gain yield of 75+ pips per trade, sometimes as many as 225 - 250 (H4).
Trading the H4 timeframe removes a lot of the stress of trading and insulates the trader
from the tricks and antics of brokers as well as much of the volatility seen on the lower timeframes.
The D1 and H1 timeframes likewise have proven to be very productive. If your personal
trading results have been disappointing or if you have been losing money using the Expert Advisors,
indicators and methods that comprise your current approach, if you are serious about
wanting to carve out a living or just some extra money out of Forex trading, I strongly urge
you to stop wasting your time and consider joining our ranks and let Entropy.help you
achieve your goals.

Warmest Regards,
Craig Stoltz ("bluto")
Founder, Forex Autotrader's World (FXAW)

Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: fxbabe on March 05, 2013, 08:51:02 PM
Yet another release date came and went without a murmur.
Meanwhile people are still joining so its a nice steady income thats being milked.

I think this time he has disappeared to Nepal for good.  It's been 6 days since he accessed the forum. ::)
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: JimDog on March 09, 2013, 11:35:34 AM
I love it when he turns up with another promise and all the butt kissing starts, only to be followed by tears on Sunday when he once again fails to deliver. Its happed so many time and yet they all fall for it again and again.
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: JimDog on March 10, 2013, 09:46:45 PM
Looks like I am about to eat my words.

"Just load some data from asian session to the server and a download will be available within hours"
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: strategy-dude on March 11, 2013, 05:12:44 AM
Jimdog, you will love it even more if you read back in posts and see how most members who subscribed to this service actually stood-up for Entropy on this thread and all claimed to be making money!

Strange world we live in!
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: John Henrik on March 11, 2013, 05:10:55 PM
I love how people whine about it :)
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: JimDog on March 11, 2013, 06:27:06 PM
Maybe the people who whine arn't from rich counties and $300 may be a incredible amount of money for them.

As for strategy-dude.  yes seen the post's, this is a quote on FXAW and no one has disagreed with it.

"and secondly as far as I can see no one who traded pure Entropy 1.0 signals (as opposed to incorporating them into their own system or using their own trading judgement as an additional filter) was able to make a consistent profit. (Perhaps there has been someone lurking and not positing their results who achieved this feat, but I was not able to, and I have not seen evidence of others doing this either.)
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: strategy-dude on March 11, 2013, 07:35:49 PM
You got to love how lame people get at admitting the fact that they have wasted their time and money learning from some guy who claimed to be working with Nasa. and still not waking up even after finding out that the Nasa thing is a complete lie, not to question how on earth they beleived this lie in the first place, and not to mention that no body has ever made money with the trading knowledge they just earned from this """"Nasa"""" guy. ( For those who feel like jumping and starting a BS about how legendary their trading skills have become, either post your results on myfxbook to prove it or  just shut-up)

For those who have waken up, my peice of advice is to feel good for the fact that you were "able" to wake up and "able" to learn your lesson while the majority are still high on crack and still view others who have waken up for being "whiners"   :D
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: blutofx on March 13, 2013, 03:33:36 PM
One of my FXAW members pointed me in the direction of this topic thread and said I should have a peek.  More of the usual stuff - unhappy trolls venting their wrath, spewing slander, and moaning because somebody didn't hand them a trading system that would mint money for them.  It's unfortunate that these sad souls pervade the internet and soil good forums with their droppings.  Nothing new - I've seen it over and over in my 5+ years of hosting a Forex forum as I'm sure Donna has. 

fxbabe - you stole my "Nepal" joke from the FXAW forum.  Only an insider would've known about that.   :-*

JimDog - what can I say....we should hoist a few cold ones some time and you can cite to me all of your sob stories of how that dark cloud has been following you around. brokers and the markets are after you, etc.

strategy-dude - seems I always have a few of those "skeptical types" that like to delve into questioning my personal profile - stuff like where I've worked, what kind of sneakers I wear, where I got my college degree, and so on.  When someone starts posting that kind of blither-blather, they're instantly telegraphing to others "I'm to lazy to take responsibility for my own trading and want someone to hand me a system that mints money...and I want it NOW!"
 >:(

Anyway, if anyone reading this topic thread is actually taking any of this stuff seriously (or even cares for that matter), ring me up and I'll show you the truth....and what's possible. 
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: ultracat on March 13, 2013, 04:05:47 PM
Why don't you post a verified MyFxBook?   8)
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: strategy-dude on March 13, 2013, 04:17:51 PM
Why don't you post a verified MyFxBook?   8)

i was going to pose the exact same question but you where faster than me  ;D

hey ""Nasa"" scientist, instead of replying at a personal level which i find quite insulting, why don't you post your myfxbook?

i don't think you ever will because that will 100% expose your scam
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: ultracat on March 13, 2013, 04:27:19 PM
I actually have no opinion if it's a scam or not at this point.  I have been following this thread with interest for over a year.  Initially I thought to join his forum based on these great claims of a revolutionary system developed by a NASA rocket scientist.  But I kept watching and continue to have some doubts. 

Easiest way to clear doubts out of the way is with proof.  A fellow scientist should appreciate that without really any necessary explanation  ;)  Verified live account data is a great way to prove what is merely claimed here in the forex world.  Again, someone so knowledgeable about the forex world, no explanation is necessary why potential customers would want to see a live, verified forward test account.  I think bluto should be racing to provide a myfxbook.  If I was bluto I would post back "of course I can show you my live system is profitable, don't be ridiculous, here's the proof."  Anything else from a vendor is just trolling DF, ironically.
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: Bigsteve on March 13, 2013, 05:13:02 PM
I didn't buy into Entropy when it came out so I made alot of money.
If I bumped into him on the street my only question would be "what the f@*k is a NASA scientist doing on some forex board instead of working on the his sattelite trajectories or whatever scientists work on down there? At which point he will have no answer for my question, and most likely I just answered my question on my own. NASA scientist work for NASA, not Donnaforex or Entropy.
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: blutofx on March 13, 2013, 05:57:41 PM
I didn't buy into Entropy when it came out so I made alot of money.
If I bumped into him on the street my only question would be "what the f@*k is a NASA scientist doing on some forex board instead of working on the his sattelite trajectories or whatever scientists work on down there? At which point he will have no answer for my question, and most likely I just answered my question on my own. NASA scientist work for NASA, not Donnaforex or Entropy.

That would be * Retired 30 yr. NASA veteran *.  See how easy it is to assume things.  These days, I spend my time surfing, trading. developing software, etc.  Retired life is amazing and I highly recommend it.  It even provides you with the discretionary time to peek in at troll threads you otherwise might have completely missed due to the daily grind.
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: blutofx on March 13, 2013, 06:13:58 PM
I actually have no opinion if it's a scam or not at this point.  I have been following this thread with interest for over a year.  Initially I thought to join his forum based on these great claims of a revolutionary system developed by a NASA rocket scientist.  But I kept watching and continue to have some doubts. 

Easiest way to clear doubts out of the way is with proof.  A fellow scientist should appreciate that without really any necessary explanation  ;)  Verified live account data is a great way to prove what is merely claimed here in the forex world.  Again, someone so knowledgeable about the forex world, no explanation is necessary why potential customers would want to see a live, verified forward test account.  I think bluto should be racing to provide a myfxbook.  If I was bluto I would post back "of course I can show you my live system is profitable, don't be ridiculous, here's the proof."  Anything else from a vendor is just trolling DF, ironically.

For starters, I just might put something out on myfxbook if I find the time and energy although I really don't have anything to prove to anyone.  If there are so-called "doubts", I really don't care - it's not my problem.   If any of the trolls posting smack in this thread are members of my forum (I know a few are), then their motivations are insideous and they are probably of weak character - there's nothing that you can do on anonymous forums to stop them.  My reputation precedes me, and those who know me in Fx circles would vouch accordingly.  I don't advertise anything anywhere.  I don't have a website hawking trading wares.  The only reason I replied to this thread when it first started was because someone pointed it out to me.  I haven't been here in months until one of my members mentioned to me that there were some chatterboxes over here slinging the moldy noodles, so I thought I'd drop by for a view.  Members who join my private forum do so based on word-of-mouth, and we have a policy of keeping our trading tools internal.  There's plenty of "evidence" and "proof" of members on my forum having success with our tools and that's gratifying enough for me.  There are always a handful or small group of people looking for handouts who can't follow directions or haven't done their homework & paid their dues by putting in ample chart-time yet moan about a Tradebot they expected to be an ATM.  You know who I'm talking about.  As a developer, yes, I am guilty of missed self-imposed delivery deadlines to my members, but it's always in good faith through the desire to hold off a bit longer in order to improve a trading tool.  'Nuff said.
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: blutofx on March 13, 2013, 06:20:09 PM
Why don't you post a verified MyFxBook?   8)

i was going to pose the exact same question but you where faster than me  ;D

hey ""Nasa"" scientist, instead of replying at a personal level which i find quite insulting, why don't you post your myfxbook?

i don't think you ever will because that will 100% expose your scam

I would likewise like to see some of the moaners post some of their trading journals, chart mock-ups, and maybe a brief historical statement of their trading activities just to see how sincere and dedicated that they are.  My money says that such docs don't exist.

If you were insulted, then you're probably the type that has issues with factual and truthful retort to your original rubbish statements.  Sorry....I can't help you with that affliction.    Have a Nice Day though.   ;)
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: blutofx on March 13, 2013, 06:45:12 PM
You got to love how lame people get at admitting the fact that they have wasted their time and money

What's to love?  Reading between the lines, and with no reference to NASA or trading, or pork-belly futures, you strike me as some pompous degenerate who gets off on the misfortune of others.  Remind me never to go rock climbing with you.  

""""Nasa"""" guy. ( For those who feel like jumping and starting a BS about how legendary their trading skills have become, either post your results on myfxbook to prove it or  just shut-up)

Could you possibly bring us some evidence or proof of this alleged 'boasting about legendary trading skills' you mentioned?  It would be of great benefit to anyone reading this smelly thread to see the entire picture.  You seem to be all about self-righteousness and the truth.....you wouldn't walk into a court of law without adequate backup, so why should it be any different here?  Send me a PM when you post it because I'm often not here.


For those who have waken up, my peice of advice is to feel good for the fact that you were "able" to wake up and "able" to learn your lesson while the majority are still high on crack and still view others who have waken up for being "whiners"   :D

Tell us a bit more about your credentials as a life-coach and advisor to those who need to wake up and become more aware.  Go for it.  The floor is yours.   
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: ultracat on March 13, 2013, 07:15:13 PM
For starters, I just might put something out on myfxbook if I find the time and energy although I really don't have anything to prove to anyone. 

It takes about 2 minutes to setup a MyFxBook link to your trading accounts.  I can read between the lines.  You don't care to do it, for whatever reason.

If there are so-called "doubts", I really don't care - it's not my problem.   If any of the trolls posting smack in this thread are members of my forum (I know a few are), then their motivations are insideous and they are probably of weak character - there's nothing that you can do on anonymous forums to stop them.  My reputation precedes me, and those who know me in Fx circles would vouch accordingly.  I don't advertise anything anywhere.

LOL - ok then....sign me up, here's my credit card!

 
I don't have a website hawking trading wares.

Oh cool, I didn't realize it was free to join your forum!   Nevermind about the credit card, I'll take a free full-access account then.  Just PM me my login details.  Thanks man, you're the best!


Members who join my private forum do so based on word-of-mouth, and we have a policy of keeping our trading tools internal.  There's plenty of "evidence" and "proof" of members on my forum having success with our tools and that's gratifying enough for me. 

So after I pay to join your forum then you will show me proof your system works?  But even then, will it be verified statements of just blog posts by customers saying things like "I got a TP today!  +20 pips.  THanks FXAW!"

Anyway, I do appreciate that you replied but unfortunately your answers and tone tell me I don't want to do business with you.  I don't like trolls either, so I won't post here anymore as I'm not one of your customers.  All the best to you and your customers and thanks for taking the time to clear up my doubts.  I can finally unfollow this thread after 1+ year!   8)
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: blutofx on March 13, 2013, 08:01:14 PM
For starters, I just might put something out on myfxbook if I find the time and energy although I really don't have anything to prove to anyone. 

It takes about 2 minutes to setup a MyFxBook link to your trading accounts.  I can read between the lines.  You don't care to do it, for whatever reason.

If there are so-called "doubts", I really don't care - it's not my problem.   If any of the trolls posting smack in this thread are members of my forum (I know a few are), then their motivations are insideous and they are probably of weak character - there's nothing that you can do on anonymous forums to stop them.  My reputation precedes me, and those who know me in Fx circles would vouch accordingly.  I don't advertise anything anywhere.

LOL - ok then....sign me up, here's my credit card!

 
I don't have a website hawking trading wares.

Oh cool, I didn't realize it was free to join your forum!   Nevermind about the credit card, I'll take a free full-access account then.  Just PM me my login details.  Thanks man, you're the best!


Members who join my private forum do so based on word-of-mouth, and we have a policy of keeping our trading tools internal.  There's plenty of "evidence" and "proof" of members on my forum having success with our tools and that's gratifying enough for me. 

So after I pay to join your forum then you will show me proof your system works?  But even then, will it be verified statements of just blog posts by customers saying things like "I got a TP today!  +20 pips.  THanks FXAW!"

Anyway, I do appreciate that you replied but unfortunately your answers and tone tell me I don't want to do business with you.  I don't like trolls either, so I won't post here anymore as I'm not one of your customers.  All the best to you and your customers and thanks for taking the time to clear up my doubts.  I can finally unfollow this thread after 1+ year!   8)

Bye.  Be good, and best of luck in your trading endeavors.   8)
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: daje on March 13, 2013, 09:34:35 PM
Its important to remind that this is a signal services thread. reference to Myfxbook proof is somewhat dislocated from the intent expressed by Blutos entropy project, which in itself is a unique and massive undertaking all the way from AI (neural) method signal validation to secure proprietary execution on a FXAW members PC. All the while managing evolving technical options in cyberspace. Yes this project is many months in the delivery toward a full and unilateral working platform, with successive release versions along the way, rollout has not been without unintended delays and design alterations which are typical of such projects.

Trade management has always been related to individual success: read back to Captain Jacks posts on this thread, which validate success using Mfxbook. Trades are taken with Entropy as confirmation alongside other methods.

It is accepted significant projects at FXAW are a in a state of work in progress, its part of the deal.
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: huuu on March 18, 2013, 05:51:52 PM
Ah so Mr/Ms Bluto has come out swinging over here trying to defend him/herself.

What is there to defend? Only broken promises of imminent releases year after year over three years now. and still bilking $300 off of unsuspecting people.

I say now it is time to put up or shut up!
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: blutofx on March 28, 2013, 04:09:10 PM
Ah so Mr/Ms Bluto has come out swinging over here trying to defend him/herself.

What is there to defend? Only broken promises of imminent releases year after year over three years now. and still bilking $300 off of unsuspecting people.

I say now it is time to put up or shut up!

I stopped swinging 6 years ago.  Besides, it's too exhausting, but I do think it's important to clarify the facts and clear the air whenever I happen upon completely bogus posts like yours.

I'm not keen on feeding trolls, but with this as your first post here and zero reputation, I'm certain that your credibility on this forum knows no boundaries.  Anyway, just wanted to say that you're woefully misinformed if you genuinely believe what you've posted.  I've been putting up for years and continue to put up every day - there are no unsuspecting folks who choose to join my forum.  They know exactly what the landscape is and what the goods are before deciding to pay a token fee for membership which goes to charitable causes and which is purposely in place and intended to keep freeloaders and insincere "takers" dead in their tracks at the gates. 
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: odysseus11 on March 28, 2013, 10:38:10 PM
As a FXAW member, I can vouch for Craig's ethics and integrity.
Entropy 2.0 actually *is* available for members - so at the very least all the people screaming about vaporware are simply wrong.
Craig is a perfectionist, and his rollout timetables (and tardiness) reflect that, but all members like me accept that and are happy and grateful to be allowed to come along for the ride.
All the conspiracy theorists can think whatever they want.

Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: dandruffx on March 30, 2013, 07:59:37 AM
As a FXAW member, I can vouch for Craig's ethics and integrity.
Entropy 2.0 actually *is* available for members - so at the very least all the people screaming about vaporware are simply wrong.
Craig is a perfectionist, and his rollout timetables (and tardiness) reflect that, but all members like me accept that and are happy and grateful to be allowed to come along for the ride.
All the conspiracy theorists can think whatever they want.

odysseus11, by reading your posts on this forum it becomes quite clear that you are an educated guy who knows what he is talking about.

however, i don't think you have gained any trading knowledge from those entropy troll scamers otherwise you won't be subscribing to some signal providers on this forum. (why let anyone trade your money when you can trade on your own?)

so, the positive review you just gave about these guys is either you not knowing what you are talking about because you have no idea about trading what so ever and do not know how to distinguish between good, bad and useless educational material for trading. OR you are just being an ass kisser without even realizing it because those scamers have hypnotized you with their words, and made you feel in need for them. (believe me i have been their in similar situations back in the days)

so trust me, these type of trolls (bluto and the entropy guys) will never ever post a myfxbook, and if they do, it will be a very short term one.

i respect any trader who post a myfxbook even if his performance is bad, but those who provide a service and refuse to post one, are just a bunch of worthless worms in 99.999999% of cases.
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: John Henrik on March 30, 2013, 10:01:32 AM
Dandruffx. I feel how you feel. But I must disagree with you.
However, i gained a lot. (Knowledge, not so much profit hehehe)

I aswell signed up for this "entropy".
In my opinion, as entropy stands now, you can use it if you are good at reading price action and looking for big S/R etc.

I've taken a lot of trades which completely blew right through the SL, then shot back down 200pips+++. And sometimes I hit the nail.

CJ (Who is now posting a lot of good (Free) price action posts over at stevehopwood) gave us a lot of good information about "BARR". which matched good with entropy signals. And he used entropy rather for confirmation instead of trading the signals.

Me myself, im not profitable with entropy.

As for what the forum has given me in information and education (+ they guided me to by al' brooks books) has payed and beyond the worth in my for signing up. Thats in my case.

As for the myfxbook, and why everyone wants it. I dont know. I was in a similiar situation with netpicks once and one of their products which I think sucked. because I didnt care about moneymanagement and other factors. They never had myfxbook. While I read al brooks, i kept thinking more and more about the product I had purchased. Which is based upon price action. So I started trading the system again with tons of more confidence, and the puzzles became a lot clearer. And I still use it today.

Just saying this: This is all my perspective. Not gonna bother to start and argue here. And I respect your post because I can see your sitation very clearly.

As for me, i dont care if entropy comes out or not. I gained what I payed in knowledge.

peace out
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: odysseus11 on March 31, 2013, 09:44:43 PM
let me respond -
first of all if you know me at all you know I am neither an ass kisser nor a clueless noob.
And I will be the FIRST ONE to say I have been frustrated by Craigs timelines and missed deadlines.
BUT
I signed up for FXAW about 4 years ago or so. I paid like $180 or something.
I have gained WAY more than that in terms of the contact I have made there and things I have learned. I *have* used tools and EAs posted there by Bluto and others, to profitable effect.
It is what it is, a forum of peers, like this one. If Donna charged $200 to be a member, I would pay it gladly.

That doesnt make me a fool, I dont think.
I have been looking forward to entropy, like everyone else, for a long time. I only posted to confirm that V 2.0 IS out and available, even though some dimwits had been claiming it would never come, blah blah blah. I dont hang my business on it and neither should anyone else.. Like John Henrik, I have not YET been profitable with the versions rolled out till now, and dont know how this one will work out - I have high hopes, as always, but we will see.
I dont know why myfxbook is relevant yet. When entropy is fully running, I agree that a myfxbook would be a valid way to judge its performance,  but it isnt even rolled out in that form yet (tradebot). So Im not sure what you are babbling about.


Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: Jake on March 31, 2013, 11:06:57 PM
My understanding is that membership of Bluto's forum has always being offered as an invitation to support him in the development he undertakes, with the hope that with his skills he will one day produce a very useful forex trading tool. He has never said: "Come and buy my wonderful forex trading tool that will make you wealthy." Paying for  membership of the Entropy forum is therefore a little like angel investing - putting money into a proposition that may or may not pay off. Those of us who are members are hoping that eventually all of Craig's efforts will produce something that helps us to make money.  However,very few, less than 10%, of angel investments, pay off. I still believe that my small investment in Craig will, especially as I see great progress in the current version, which I am now trialiing. Who knows, we may be close to success, but only testing will show that.  Logically enough, one can't have long years of myfxbook results when there is no end product and live testing is just underway.

It has also been great fun to be part of the forum and I have learned heaps from the very knowledgeable membership.

I suggest that people like Dandruf vent their wrath at those people who do market that they are selling fully functional end product wealth producing tools, and show some respect for those people like Craig who do not pretend to have reached the endpoint, and people like Odyssey and others who are keen to support them.  Target those people who should be showing evidence of results because they are selling a product as a finished one.
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: dandruffx on March 31, 2013, 11:48:30 PM
i am not referring to their promised EA, i am just talking about the educational part of this entropy product and if anyone has made any money by using what they have learnt from entropy and their forum.

their forum is so popular and so many people say that they have learnt a lot about trading and earned a priceless trading knowledge, yet, not even a single user has posted any result on myfxbook (so many traders use myfxbook to analyze their trading to help improving it, thats why myfxbook is not something that only product sellers use)

their is no grey color in forex, only black or white, the product is either profitable or not. saying that it is a good product which you have not made a penny out of during the past 4 years would simply translate into a gray color.

do you understand what i am babbling about now?
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: odysseus11 on April 01, 2013, 12:35:04 AM
no, you are still babbling.
It keeps being said over and over again, yet you keep ignoring, that Entropy is NOT a product.
Therefore everything you just said makes no sense.

The FXAW website is a community you pay to be a part of.
It isnt a product. How many more times does that need to be said?
KeepCalm just explained it eloquently and succinctly, and yet you keep on lashing out with the same angry questions, ignoring what is said.
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: huuu on April 09, 2013, 11:02:01 AM
Ah so Mr/Ms Bluto has come out swinging over here trying to defend him/herself.

What is there to defend? Only broken promises of imminent releases year after year over three years now. and still bilking $300 off of unsuspecting people.

I say now it is time to put up or shut up!

I stopped swinging 6 years ago.  Besides, it's too exhausting, but I do think it's important to clarify the facts and clear the air whenever I happen upon completely bogus posts like yours.

I'm not keen on feeding trolls, but with this as your first post here and zero reputation, I'm certain that your credibility on this forum knows no boundaries.  Anyway, just wanted to say that you're woefully misinformed if you genuinely believe what you've posted.  I've been putting up for years and continue to put up every day - there are no unsuspecting folks who choose to join my forum.  They know exactly what the landscape is and what the goods are before deciding to pay a token fee for membership which goes to charitable causes and which is purposely in place and intended to keep freeloaders and insincere "takers" dead in their tracks at the gates.


Oh yea, you do put up after many, many, many moons of promises and supposed bug fixes, but invariably they are all cr*p, with unending problems and difficulties.

Your unique selling point is your ability to promise the world then deliver cr*p and then post interminable white papers to bamboozle your hapless customers.

Nothing but a con merchant with actual snake oil dolled out in small enough (and complex) doses to keep the mystery and promise alive for as long as you can keep milking those subscription fees.
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: huuu on April 09, 2013, 11:10:40 AM
As a FXAW member, I can vouch for Craig's ethics and integrity.
Entropy 2.0 actually *is* available for members - so at the very least all the people screaming about vaporware are simply wrong.
Craig is a perfectionist, and his rollout timetables (and tardiness) reflect that, but all members like me accept that and are happy and grateful to be allowed to come along for the ride.
All the conspiracy theorists can think whatever they want.

What has Craig released that actually lives up to the accolade of a "perfectionist". Other than the ridiculous delays and constant stops and changes midstream, every time s/he actually releases anything at all it ends up being completely unreliable and full of hiccups.
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: dandruffx on April 09, 2013, 12:36:08 PM
edysseus11, just admit it man, you have been hypnotized by this bluto troll BS guy

not to mention that he made you believe he worked for nasa hahaha
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: odysseus11 on April 09, 2013, 01:19:13 PM
wow u people are pretty angry about this....lots of angst here...oh well, doesnt matter to me, I paid my one-time forum fee like 4 years ago or something, and in my mind it was a great purchase even before entropy, like I have said. So for me personally, I dont have this anger that some of you people seem to have.
BTW people are using Entropy V2 right now and have been for a couple weeks. Really doesnt matter to me whether Craig works at NASA or McDonalds.
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: John Henrik on April 10, 2013, 06:02:35 PM
wow u people are pretty angry about this....lots of angst here...oh well, doesnt matter to me, I paid my one-time forum fee like 4 years ago or something, and in my mind it was a great purchase even before entropy, like I have said. So for me personally, I dont have this anger that some of you people seem to have.
BTW people are using Entropy V2 right now and have been for a couple weeks. Really doesnt matter to me whether Craig works at NASA or McDonalds.

allthough, it would be cool if he sold BigMacs
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: blutofx on April 10, 2013, 07:11:09 PM
wow u people are pretty angry about this....lots of angst here...oh well, doesnt matter to me, I paid my one-time forum fee like 4 years ago or something, and in my mind it was a great purchase even before entropy, like I have said. So for me personally, I dont have this anger that some of you people seem to have.
BTW people are using Entropy V2 right now and have been for a couple weeks. Really doesnt matter to me whether Craig works at NASA or McDonalds.

allthough, it would be cool if he sold BigMacs

Two-All-Beef-Patties-Special-Sauce-Lettuce-Cheese-Pickles-Onions-On-A-Sesame-Seed-Bun.   

Yeah...we serve 'em up hot over at FXAW!   8)

(https://donnaforex.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2F1.bp.blogspot.com%2F_DDVVM5Mb7Uw%2FSi0J9kFb9HI%2FAAAAAAAAARk%2Fkn_P5gblY8E%2Fs320%2Fspeedee.jpg&hash=f54b50082baa0932815a5b9c28d61c02)
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: blutofx on April 10, 2013, 07:19:38 PM
As a FXAW member, I can vouch for Craig's ethics and integrity.
Entropy 2.0 actually *is* available for members - so at the very least all the people screaming about vaporware are simply wrong.
Craig is a perfectionist, and his rollout timetables (and tardiness) reflect that, but all members like me accept that and are happy and grateful to be allowed to come along for the ride.
All the conspiracy theorists can think whatever they want.

What has Craig released that actually lives up to the accolade of a "perfectionist". Other than the ridiculous delays and constant stops and changes midstream, every time s/he actually releases anything at all it ends up being completely unreliable and full of hiccups.

Talk about the resolve of a nasty sand flea.  Why don't you fill us in a bit about your trading successes, buster huuu!  You seem like an authority on things.  We're intrigued by your knowledge of all things.  Do you have one of those MyFxBook accounts we can take a peek at?  It's really difficult to accord much credibility to someone with like 3 posts here without some kind of supporting backup to attest to your qualifications to be such a vociferous mouthpiece and to confirm the purpose of your spontaneous appearance on the scene.  Go ahead.  Do it.  We'll wait.   :-* 
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: blutofx on April 10, 2013, 07:22:36 PM
edysseus11, just admit it man, you have been hypnotized by this bluto troll BS guy

not to mention that he made you believe he worked for nasa hahaha

Where'd you come from?  Oh...you must be the cavalry scout in the 'huuu militia'.   :D

Wanna chat about dark energy, binary stars and positrons sometime, maybe via Skype?  It's really neato stuff!!.
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: huuu on April 11, 2013, 12:02:38 PM
How sad, the only fight left is to launch into ad hominem attacks, which is nothing more than a coward’s refuge. I would rather stick to the facts and the facts are:

* Not one single usable indicator or ea released despite of literally years and years of promises to the contrary having been being made;

* In relation to Entropy again in spite of mid-stream jump ship from multicurrency correlation strategy to a gobbly gook strategy aimed at confusing your hapless subscribers and delays of over two years supposedly to deal with bugs, a piece of cr*p signal generator has been released which conveniently provides sl’s below entry price on sell signals and above on buy signals and is still plagued by more bugs and fleas than can be found in rotting meat!

* This last one is the kicker that really takes the cake, all the while you, “Bluto”, have made over $300,000 in subscription fees (averaging out at $200 per hapless victim from over the 1500 members)!!!

Now here is a challenge for you to still for all redeem yourself at least as far as I am concerned: Provide any independently verifiable evidence you have to show that you have contributed anywhere near even half of the subscription fees you have received to a charity as you have repeatedly claimed.
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: blutofx on April 11, 2013, 06:44:02 PM
How sad, the only fight left is to launch into ad hominem attacks, which is nothing more than a coward’s refuge. I would rather stick to the facts and the facts are:

* Not one single usable indicator or ea released despite of literally years and years of promises to the contrary having been being made;

* In relation to Entropy again in spite of mid-stream jump ship from multicurrency correlation strategy to a gobbly gook strategy aimed at confusing your hapless subscribers and delays of over two years supposedly to deal with bugs, a piece of cr*p signal generator has been released which conveniently provides sl’s below entry price on sell signals and above on buy signals and is still plagued by more bugs and fleas than can be found in rotting meat!

* This last one is the kicker that really takes the cake, all the while you, “Bluto”, have made over $300,000 in subscription fees (averaging out at $200 per hapless victim from over the 1500 members)!!!

Now here is a challenge for you to still for all redeem yourself at least as far as I am concerned: Provide any independently verifiable evidence you have to show that you have contributed anywhere near even half of the subscription fees you have received to a charity as you have repeatedly claimed.

Out of respect for the membership here to avoid fouling up the place with flame threads, and because I've grown older and wiser and learned that engaging slanderous forum-shmucks and internet punks is a fools errand.  You'll not get one second more of my time and energy nor the attention from me which you dearly crave after this reply post.  We see your type come and go every day, and it's really sort of sad that your lack of trading success and accumen has to be manifested by spending all of those idle hours creeping around on forums anonymously, dropping little turds here and there.  Use that time more wisely and actually focus on learning how to trade - at least put your back into it.  Be a REAL man, not a slippery little worm.  As for proof of blah-blah-blah and challenges and all that jazz, you'll get nothing because you deserve less than zero....not even free navel lint. 

Oh, I forgot to mention one other thing too.....psssst......I now know who you are.   8)    Trust me.   ;)
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: huuu on April 12, 2013, 06:32:53 PM
How sad, the only fight left is to launch into ad hominem attacks, which is nothing more than a coward’s refuge. I would rather stick to the facts and the facts are:

* Not one single usable indicator or ea released despite of literally years and years of promises to the contrary having been being made;

* In relation to Entropy again in spite of mid-stream jump ship from multicurrency correlation strategy to a gobbly gook strategy aimed at confusing your hapless subscribers and delays of over two years supposedly to deal with bugs, a piece of cr*p signal generator has been released which conveniently provides sl’s below entry price on sell signals and above on buy signals and is still plagued by more bugs and fleas than can be found in rotting meat!

* This last one is the kicker that really takes the cake, all the while you, “Bluto”, have made over $300,000 in subscription fees (averaging out at $200 per hapless victim from over the 1500 members)!!!

Now here is a challenge for you to still for all redeem yourself at least as far as I am concerned: Provide any independently verifiable evidence you have to show that you have contributed anywhere near even half of the subscription fees you have received to a charity as you have repeatedly claimed.

Out of respect for the membership here to avoid fouling up the place with flame threads, and because I've grown older and wiser and learned that engaging slanderous forum-shmucks and internet punks is a fools errand.  You'll not get one second more of my time and energy nor the attention from me which you dearly crave after this reply post.  We see your type come and go every day, and it's really sort of sad that your lack of trading success and accumen has to be manifested by spending all of those idle hours creeping around on forums anonymously, dropping little turds here and there.  Use that time more wisely and actually focus on learning how to trade - at least put your back into it.  Be a REAL man, not a slippery little worm.  As for proof of blah-blah-blah and challenges and all that jazz, you'll get nothing because you deserve less than zero....not even free navel lint. 

Oh, I forgot to mention one other thing too.....psssst......I now know who you are.   8)    Trust me.   ;)

As I said in my very first post here:

Put up or shut up.
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: huuu on May 14, 2013, 10:52:13 PM
The results are now in on the piece of cr*p signal generator that was released after literally years of "fine tuning" and course corrections only to deliver results that can be outdone by simply tossing a coin. A fresh course correction is now in the works!!! Such a loser!!!
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: lorax on May 15, 2013, 09:22:39 AM
I know huuu.

A complete and utter piece of crap.
Now he is talking about one signal,independent of time frame.
He keeps changing his "Craptropy" system constantly.
Artificial intelligence, he says... Yeah right.
He can't trade, never could and most likely never will, so how can he produce anything that could be used as a trading signal,EA or even an indicator.
30  years at NASSA . ;D What a load of bull.
The reason his crapy projects take so long is his 9-5 job.
Someone who retired from his NASSA job would have all the time in the world on his hands,
yet he is taking 4 years to come up with some crapy dashboard that gives bad entry points
and "redonkeyles" stop losses.
This guy is a new breed of forex fraudsters.
He realized he can make a lot more money from paid membership style con job
than he ever could by selling crapy indicators and EA's.
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: huuu on May 16, 2013, 12:34:04 AM
If not for the fact that people have shelled out $300 per pop and some retired folk are pinning all their retirement hopes and dreams on this "craptropy" delivering, the results and comments being posted are hilarious. The latest being signals from May 10th are being broadcast as current signals and also completely contradictory signals being broadcast, which again are at completely haphazard intervals.
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: lorax on May 16, 2013, 12:39:50 PM
One thing I can't understand; how in the hell can anyone not see that this guy is a scamer.
Are people really that blind?! This is what one of the yo-yo's wrote.

"Please chill guys, this is beta software, still in it's infancy. There are several upgrades required, not least of which are Craigs signal servers as he mentioned a while back which aren't up to the task of full signal sending.

It's a herculean task being handled very well. I for one am excited. Show me any successful system that doesnt take many months to streamline and perfect? Please keep focussed and post constructive comments that can help identify possible improvements?

Just my 2 cents.......


Signal servers? Really? How about useless signals?! Are they ever going to be anything else but lines of random numbers that have no technical or mathematical value that could be appllied in the Forex trading? It seems to me, this guys lights are on but no one's at home  ;D  ...  If "Craptropy" is a successful system than I don't know of any system in Forex that is not successful. Every time a new piece of "Craig's" ingenuity comes out, it is a bigger bucket of crap than the previous one. He managed to con everybody with his bull-crap story of being a NASSA scientist. people are in ave of his imaginary identity,if it wasn't sad it would be funny. ::)

Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: huuu on July 09, 2013, 11:54:44 PM
lets all hold our collective breath as another piece of cr*p tweaked version is about to be released. Cannot believe that after all these false promises and pathetic failures people are still joining and looking forward to more :'(
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: JimDog on July 21, 2013, 10:22:35 AM
It's all getting very nasty now, after the last failed release (groundhog day) Bluto hasn't shown up for 12 days. People are asking for refunds but not getting a reply, just abuse from the forum bullies.

I guess the problem is that introducing members were paid an amazing $100 commission so where will that come from ? makes you wonder how much some of them made out of the recruitment drive and are they now defending the forum.
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: odysseus11 on July 21, 2013, 10:51:25 PM
Im not defending squat,
I am accustomed to Craigs release timetables being orders of magnitude different than he announces - and that often happens to me as well in my own projects. I dont like it, I am as disappointed as anyone else, and if I was a new subscriber, I would probably just request a refund, I certainly can understand that. And it *is* disconcerting that refund requests are reportedly being ignored. I dont know the details and wont judge, but my feeling is certainly one of frustration and disappointment with the Entropy rollout, and that is with my almost zero expectations! However, it isnt entirely a surprise. My own feeling is that Craig will get the next version released on his own timetable. I certainly would not suggest that people subscribe to the forum if what they are expecting is a functional system anytime soon to put to use. And craigs ridiculous self-imposed deadlines that he reliably misses by miles is also something that bugs me, and I know it does others too. Ah well, I would certainly caution ANYONE not to pin their hopes or retirement dreams on the Entropy system. Lets see how it plays out.
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: fibtracer on September 03, 2013, 02:24:30 PM
Out of respect for Bluto, I have edited this post to reflect that he finally has delivered the entropy product, it took years but he finally released something. Time will tell if it works.
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: kaltrax on September 04, 2013, 01:34:16 PM
 
  At the end Entropy's EA 2.X will see the light¡¡¡ ... ;D .....very soon
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: taipan on September 04, 2013, 03:06:43 PM
Glad to here that the light will become stronger.
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: JimDog on September 06, 2013, 02:11:04 PM
Set up a few demo accounts.

Install a basic ma cross ea with different settings on the accounts

Publish best one

Fool some of the people all of the time
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: huuu on September 11, 2013, 04:31:14 PM

  At the end Entropy's EA 2.X will see the light¡¡¡ ... ;D .....very soon

I cannot understand how people still believe this crap!!! A rock solid release date and time even has now been missed.

This is a first, he has never before given a time for release - only coming soon, but hey to keep fooling people all the time you have to keep changing some of the promises I suppose.

Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: JimDog on September 17, 2013, 09:27:50 AM
It gets worse,

Paypal sends the money to Robert Seifert, who is - according to Steve Hopwood - Craig Stoltz new accountant.

It´s amazing, that  XXXXX XXXXX and  XXXXX XXXXX are direct neighbours
on XXXX XXXXX Lane in XXXXX XXXXX Lane -
 Owner: XXXXX XXXXX

 Property valuation of XXXXX XXXXX Lane, XXXXX XXXXX

XXXXX XXXXX Lane -
 Owner: XXXXX XXXXX
XXXXX XXXXX Lane -
 Owner: XXXXX XXXXX

MOD EDIT: Please do not post private addresses without the owners consent. If required, such information can be confidentially forwarded to Donna or the Mods
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: guernica on September 17, 2013, 09:53:35 AM
It gets worse,
Paypal sends the money to Robert Seifert, who is - according to Steve Hopwood - Craig Stoltz new accountant.
It´s amazing, that  XXXXX XXXXX and  XXXXX XXXXX are direct neighbours
on XXXX XXXXX Lane in XXXXX XXXXX Lane -
 Owner: XXXXX XXXXX
 Property valuation of XXXXX XXXXX Lane, XXXXX XXXXX
XXXXX XXXXX Lane -
 Owner: XXXXX XXXXX
XXXXX XXXXX Lane -
 Owner: XXXXX XXXXX
MOD EDIT: Please do not post private addresses without the owners consent. If required, such information can be confidentially forwarded to Donna or the Mods
This guy is a refined scam artist.
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: huuu on September 17, 2013, 10:04:32 AM
Thanks for that info Jimdog. Now I really hope some enterprising person would start a class action law suit against the scamster and bring this gravy train for "Bluto" to an ignominious end!
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: jamestan1978 on October 24, 2013, 11:51:25 AM
is it now official that Bluto has disappeared?
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: JimDog on October 25, 2013, 04:08:25 PM
Nope he is back again......yipeeeeee.

Well he sent an email to a couple of the members saying he was coming back next week, But he has done that before. Disappear,  email a member, then either don't turn up or if he does says it will be ready at weekend.

I just can't figure, they have all seen it so many times before.
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: lorax on November 01, 2013, 04:53:58 AM
 He has sent an email to a member!? What a fkn tosser!  ;D
But you gotta give it to him,really. To be able to pull peoples leg for so many years and get away with it. He is a master swindler. And most of those dildos still believe that this tosser
 will come up with the goods. I can't believe it!!!!
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: odysseus11 on November 01, 2013, 12:56:04 PM
Yea I have been telling everyone who has asked me for quite some time to not join the forum until we actually SEE entropy, the next version anyway.
To me and many old timers,  we joined years ago and for a forum membership, way before entropy, and as I have said I have received much value from the membership, but craigs behavior even since announcing entropy at all has been ridiculous. NO ONE should send him a dime.
The ones who really SHOULD be upset are those who joined because of and in anticipation of a working entropy. We did actually get working versions, but as it turns out nothing close to what was promised....now Craig did technically cover himself with "not promising anything bla bla bla " language, but I don't blame new members for being angry at his behavior. The worst part are the reports that refund requests are also being ignored...if true that would make this an actual scam.
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: fibtracer on November 01, 2013, 01:18:23 PM
Out of respect for Bluto, I have edited this post to reflect that he finally has delivered the entropy product, it took years but he finally released something. Time will tell if it works.
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: 4xplosion on November 02, 2013, 11:42:13 AM
Has anyone tried reporting this guy to the FBI?  I watch MSNBC  segment where they catch scammers and  would be a great show to watch down the road!   :)
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: fibtracer on November 08, 2013, 12:28:07 PM
Out of respect for Bluto, I have edited this post to reflect that he finally has delivered the entropy product, it took years but he finally released something. Time will tell if it works.
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: lorax on November 22, 2013, 10:01:31 AM
Well,well,well... the scumbag is back with same crappy promises. The yoyo's and his regular cheer squad are back to crawling up his ass again. New Craptropy is due,apparently before market open next monday. I won't hold my breath,thats for sure.
I'm certain that it's gonna be more of same if not worse crap,unusable random signals that have less chance of ending up in profit than tossing a coin and taking a trade. I'm seriously considering reporting this guy for internet fraud and impersonating a NASSA employee.
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: huuu on November 25, 2013, 06:48:33 PM
Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.
Albert Einstein, (attributed)

By this definition, Bluto is certifiable!!!

Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: sandman on November 25, 2013, 10:44:26 PM
Well,well,well... the scumbag is back with same crappy promises. The yoyo's and his regular cheer squad are back to

crawling up his ass again. New Craptropy is due,apparently before market open next monday. I won't hold my breath,thats for sure.

I'm certain that it's gonna be more of same if not worse crap,unusable random signals that have less chance of ending up in profit

than tossing a coin and taking a trade. I'm seriously considering reporting this guy for internet fraud and impersonating a NASSA
Fully agree with you mate,  May be worth considering filing a class action against this mongrel.  I would readily join such an action.........He needs to be investigated for sure
employee.
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: fibtracer on November 26, 2013, 07:18:43 PM
Out of respect for Bluto, I have edited this post to reflect that he finally has delivered the entropy product, it took years but he finally released something. Time will tell if it works.
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: lorax on November 27, 2013, 05:54:58 AM
   
Well,it's Wednesday now, and guess what?!... No Craptropy yet! Same old story all over again. I just can't believe the cheek of this dude. He is still acting as everything is just fine. No shame whatsoever . But than again... I can't believe the idiots on the forum still believe they gonna get something worth while...  ::)  He said before he disappeared that Craptropy is ready and running, only a matter of posting it to the membership. Well,where is it then?!  I think he is conducting a social experiment to see how much bullshit people would swallow till they finally wake up. I thought by now everyone would realize this guy is the most cunning scamer in Forex. ... I guess I'm wrong  :-[
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: JimDog on November 27, 2013, 11:23:42 AM
I must admit Bluto is a very eloquent writer, If I had a sales company and wanted a copy writer I would hire him right away.

How could anyone get away with saying it will be ready this Sunday two and a half years ago and still keep spinning it along.

In the book Monsters and magical stick (there's no such thing as hypnosis) it talks about people being in a trance like state all the time of varying degrees. This is why governments like North Korea can exist, how also someone can sell the London bridge, Eiffel tower and the many other famous scams to what are normally intelligent people. Something inside them knows they are being scammed but there is an overwhelming urge to take part. Greed is of course a major part of this and the scamee (I made that word up) blinds himself with the promised reward .

For instance Bluto turns up and says "I am Craige Stoltz" Immediately the cheerleaders  say "Look we told you it was true, all the doubters should apologise at once" Amazing stuff !
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: lilcruz on November 27, 2013, 01:06:29 PM
There is a quote from Mark Twain that sums things up quite well. “It's easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled.”

Some people there just do not want to believe they were scammed and others are maybe just partners in crime.
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: fibtracer on November 27, 2013, 02:23:48 PM
Out of respect for Bluto, I have edited this post to reflect that he finally has delivered the entropy product, it took years but he finally released something. Time will tell if it works.
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: reinerh on November 27, 2013, 03:03:52 PM
Many of the cheerleaders might be Bluto himself, very easy to make multiple forum names. I know at least a couple of the gang are Bluto himself.

thats pretty warped i would say but quite possible.

goes along the same line as chicks sending themselves flowers on valantines day to their workplace :)
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: lorax on December 07, 2013, 09:56:58 PM
I've just seen a pic of a crap house in bluto's post.
Don't know wether he built it or not. If he did,it would explain where Craptropy release time has been gone into.
 It appears that bluto is a master at building anything that is crap related.  ;D
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: FXQueen on December 08, 2013, 07:38:08 AM
Picture of Steve Hopwood HQ - the home of verbal diarrhea - "I know you and your likes still read here as you cannot stand cutting yourself off from your mummy's umbilical cord, so well done titwits.". Serious.
Now that Hopwood was declared Royal Game on FXAW I see he is making crappy comments about everybody on his forum, again. The forum where he bans everybody that he wants to insult - like a boxer fighting against a punch bag. And losing in his case.
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: fibtracer on December 09, 2013, 04:38:48 PM
RE Steve Hopwood - I don't know about the UK but here in the USA you don't garner respect and trust by running around telling everybody how stupid they are. He brags about how successful his forum and he are yet talks down to virtually everyone. His code is one step above a hack at best. He is the master of his little island and apparently he derives much pleasure in being the king of that little world. Would be interesting to meet him, I bet he is a very bizarre individual.
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: aagarcia on December 11, 2013, 03:02:46 AM
Check out Hopwood's latest post. What a POS scumbag that guy. He's going to insult the wrong guy and BOOM!

"Actually, I am feeling especially malicious tonight.

In advance, anybody expecting anything intelligent to emerge from this thread from here on is barking at the wrong moon. The moment Craig releases Entropy, this thread will morph into a thread in the Automation forum and I/other members will announce it here.

All that will be left of this thread in the upcoming new one will be the original post 1.

For now, if you want anything useful guys, then look elsewhere. This thread is now officially for The Venting of Spleen Against The Titwits. Anyone who tries to fight the upcoming tide risks a ban from SHF; at the very least, your posts will be deleted. The very least will not happen often.

So Titwits, here is what I really think of you. You are a bunch of asinine, dim-witted, charismatically-challenged, gormless, pathetic, creatively-absent, intellectually-negative, language-challenged, furtive frightened and useless, turdbrained creeps.

Or did I already mention this in The Toxic Thread? Hmmmm. Might have done. Never mind.

You cannot answer this at FXAW because Craig will not let you. You cannot answer here because I will not let you. I do not care what you post elsewhere - here and FXAW are the only forums I visit.

Titwits, I have tried to explain this before but you are far, far too thick to understand it. Even so, I know you are unable to cut yourself off from your mummy's umbilical cord and so continue to read this forum. So, I say again. It takes years and years of dedicated work to build up the sort of following that allows the sort of forum that is SHF to develop.

You stupid sods are far, far, far too lazy and stupid to do the required work to build up said following. Truth to tell, it snuck up on me that I had done said work, but I did code umpteen ea's for free at FF over several years. Didn't mean to; it just happened.

So, non-titwit guys, if you want to throw some mud at The Titwits then this is the place to do it. Balanced argument is not required. Counter arguments will be deleted and the poster banned.

Have fun. I just did.  :xm:  :party:

:D"

Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: aagarcia on December 11, 2013, 03:16:26 AM
AWWWWWWWWWW  Hopwood sad????

Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: JimDog on December 11, 2013, 11:51:20 AM
You would think with all the money Deadwood has made selling Fxaw memberships he would buy a better wig
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: FXQueen on December 11, 2013, 01:20:23 PM
Nah, he ordered the Donald Trump lookalike wig no he believes he is Donald Trump.
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: fibtracer on December 11, 2013, 03:09:48 PM
Is it a pathetic toupee or a monster comb over?
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: JimDog on December 11, 2013, 03:22:10 PM
Is it a pathetic toupee or a monster comb over?

Roadkill !!!
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: aagarcia on December 12, 2013, 03:15:03 PM
Go Steve play your ORGAN!!!  LMAO

Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: FXQueen on December 12, 2013, 08:20:14 PM
ROFL - After the serious mature/malicious post of Hopwood there was a reply:

Hi Steve!
Dad's going to love your term "Titwit".
His terse description of such people is "Got their head so far up their (fundamental orifice) that they couldn't see daylight in a month of Sundays if they tried" :xm: :clap:
Love.
Sian :party:

The youth league will have red juice this weekend and watch Justin Bieber concerts
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: huuu on December 17, 2013, 03:33:37 PM
Yet another cast iron release date of last night or today for cr*ptropy, any takers this time around that today will pass into tomorrow without any semblance of an ea being released?

Bluto this challenge is open to you as well!
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: Entitas on December 17, 2013, 06:02:00 PM
MOD NOTE: Post edited and user banned for 3 days for using extreemly offensive language

Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: FXQueen on December 17, 2013, 07:54:04 PM
You must be joking. FXAW same as Hopwoodforum, fit in or get threatened to be banned. If it was possible to comment there this thread would not be existing.

Grow a neuron so you can at least have a one bit brain with a parity error - Steve.

I dare you, hold a poll on FXAW and ask the people who wants a refund now, who are willing to wait a little longer and who will stay until a system is released. I'll vote.
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: huuu on December 18, 2013, 11:34:47 AM
Another all time low, a cr*py signal server was released, which as usual most people could not connect to and here is the kicker: it was meant to release signals from the past ;D

Bluto for $300 I will give you all the winning historical lottery numbers for all the lotteries in the world and you can take that to the bank!

This guy should be used as a case study on how to make big bucks over years and years and years by selling nothing but vaporware!

Oh and by the way the server went down just as soon as it went up, so anyone who did take me up would have again had to pay up because what was up for a few milliseconds had no semblance what so ever to any functioning ea ever released!
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: ultracat on December 19, 2013, 12:33:24 AM

This guy should be used as a case study on how to make big bucks over years and years and years by selling nothing but vaporware!


NOW I believe he's a nasa software engineer lol
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: kaltrax on December 19, 2013, 01:00:54 AM

  ¨Signal receiver starts to work now..., Tomorrow we expect EA...
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: JimDog on December 19, 2013, 09:28:35 AM

  ¨Signal receiver starts to work now..., Tomorrow we expect EA...

My local Bar had a sign "Free Beer Tomorrow"
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: kaltrax on December 19, 2013, 10:29:21 AM
 ;D... Exactly... Today not.... Tomorrow.

    We'll see... it's Christmas... ;)
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: aagarcia on December 19, 2013, 01:12:48 PM
It seems Hopwood and Jeremy are hiding their relationship at Global Prime.  They are adamant in not telling people that Hopwood receives compensation from GP.  Maybe in the form of kickbacks.  This all gets very twisted when you also throw in Hopwood's involvement at FXAW.
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: fibtracer on December 19, 2013, 05:40:29 PM
Write emails to the guy at Global Prime explaining to him the risk of associating his business with a clown like Deadwood. He is is business to make money,
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: JimDog on December 20, 2013, 09:54:20 AM
Chat window is working, Pity the pathetic morons use it as an opportunity to mock other members.

"Look at me Craig I am on your  side, please make me rich"  How sad can a human being get ?  :(
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: huuu on December 20, 2013, 05:21:55 PM

  ¨Signal receiver starts to work now..., Tomorrow we expect EA...

And as predicted tomorrow never comes!!!

But hey on the positive side the $300 has bought a new toy which is nothing more than a dinosaur generation version of the likes of skype 8)
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: kaltrax on December 20, 2013, 05:34:07 PM
 
 My only concern is go ahead until the Real True show his face...

  Maybe it works , maybe not.. i don't care. Really i can only make money from my 9 to 5 job. All my efforts are fairy tales, this is my hard and real fact.

   Good Luck and Happy 2014¡¡
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: FXQueen on December 20, 2013, 08:56:27 PM
kaltrax, Entropy is not going to make you anything either. YOU are the one that will make the difference. I can tell you now that if you are in doubt with yourself that is one system that will take you out on a psychological level quicker than you can ever imagine.
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: daje on December 20, 2013, 10:17:40 PM
Well, the troll queue is heating up in here, whats with the bashing effort? You guys MUST be on a payroll of some kind. Ive seen this all before, the internets getting older now.

Im a simple person, what I know is Entropy works because I have used it for manual trading for months.

Now, its being automated, end of story. How long it all takes, and how long it stays is the perogative of one person.

Keep going, at least you guys are interesting enough for me to type this.
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: fibtracer on December 20, 2013, 11:23:40 PM
It works???? all the data you were presented was not live data, step back and look at it with an open mind.
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: aagarcia on December 21, 2013, 12:13:09 AM

[/quote]
Well, the troll queue is heating up in here, whats with the bashing effort? You guys MUST be on a payroll of some kind. Ive seen this all before, the internets getting older now.

Im a simple person, what I know is Entropy works because I have used it for manual trading for months.

Now, its being automated, end of story. How long it all takes, and how long it stays is the perogative of one person.

Keep going, at least you guys are interesting enough for me to type this.
Wow, that is just complete BS. How can you come on here and just completely and totally lie like that? Signals have not been going out in any consistent manner for you to be able to trade it.
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: daje on December 21, 2013, 12:16:08 AM
It works???? all the data you were presented was not live data, step back and look at it with an open mind.

What? YOU are telling ME what I was trading? Woa is that troll speak 101 or something?

Why should I step back when I have historical FACT. YOU step back and reframe your argument, it explains alot about  the way this thread has gone.

Anyone informed knows Entropy sent live signals version 1.3 and 1.4.
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: Remotus on December 21, 2013, 12:23:03 AM
This is by far the most ridiculous and pathetic thread ever seen in several Forums.

A thread full of frustrated kids that haven't enough balls to post in FXAW and vomit stuff here in a DonnaForex nonsense thread.

YouHuuuu , fbtracer and company grow some balls and post in the appropriate location if you have something to say or stop this Luna Park of thread full of frustration and crap.

I wait to see your vomit in FXAW and not here, don't behave like rabbits and leave the skirt of your mother, if you really have something to denounce do it there, otherwise shut up and stop to show us how pathetic and coward you are.



I wait your posts in FXAW even if i guess i will not see a single one of these nonsense vomit here in FXAW.



Merry Xmas, childrens ^^.






R.
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: daje on December 21, 2013, 12:27:25 AM

Well, the troll queue is heating up in here, whats with the bashing effort? You guys MUST be on a payroll of some kind. Ive seen this all before, the internets getting older now.

Im a simple person, what I know is Entropy works because I have used it for manual trading for months.

Now, its being automated, end of story. How long it all takes, and how long it stays is the perogative of one person.

Keep going, at least you guys are interesting enough for me to type this.
Wow, that is just complete BS. How can you come on here and just completely and totally lie like that? Signals have not been going out in any consistent manner for you to be able to trade it.
[/quote]

Aargacia you busy amateur, leave GP alone, they are not involved
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: aagarcia on December 21, 2013, 12:44:09 AM

Well, the troll queue is heating up in here, whats with the bashing effort? You guys MUST be on a payroll of some kind. Ive seen this all before, the internets getting older now.

Im a simple person, what I know is Entropy works because I have used it for manual trading for months.

Now, its being automated, end of story. How long it all takes, and how long it stays is the perogative of one person.

Keep going, at least you guys are interesting enough for me to type this.
Wow, that is just complete BS. How can you come on here and just completely and totally lie like that? Signals have not been going out in any consistent manner for you to be able to trade it.

Aargacia you busy amateur, leave GP alone, they are not involved
[/quote]
Yeah, try and distract.  You're full of it.  Trading the signals manually.............YOU'RE A JOKE.  THE REAL TROLL IS ................YOU!
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: daje on December 21, 2013, 01:07:36 AM
Nice one troll. Cliche.
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: aagarcia on December 21, 2013, 02:39:09 AM
IT'S FUNNY HOW WHEN YOU TURN THE LIGHT ON, THE COCKROACHES RUN
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: fibtracer on December 21, 2013, 03:21:51 AM
It works???? all the data you were presented was not live data, step back and look at it with an open mind.

What? YOU are telling ME what I was trading? Woa is that troll speak 101 or something?

Why should I step back when I have historical FACT. YOU step back and reframe your argument, it explains alot about  the way this thread has gone.

Anyone informed knows Entropy sent live signals version 1.3 and 1.4.


please share some trades you took off the live service, what I remember, and I think we are talking at least a year ago, is it worked very sporadically and was only operational for a very brief period of time, does anyone else remember it different? 
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: fibtracer on December 21, 2013, 03:27:51 AM
oh and wait a minute, wasn't that the same exact time cap jack left FXAW and went to deadwoodville   hmmm wake up
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: daje on December 21, 2013, 03:53:54 AM
It works???? all the data you were presented was not live data, step back and look at it with an open mind.

What? YOU are telling ME what I was trading? Woa is that troll speak 101 or something?

Why should I step back when I have historical FACT. YOU step back and reframe your argument, it explains alot about  the way this thread has gone.

Anyone informed knows Entropy sent live signals version 1.3 and 1.4.


please share some trades you took off the live service, what I remember, and I think we are talking at least a year ago, is it worked very sporadically and was only operational for a very brief period of time, does anyone else remember it different?

ooh please share, dont you already have all the facts genius
Title: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: mozola on December 21, 2013, 03:57:09 AM
It works???? all the data you were presented was not live data, step back and look at it with an open mind.

What? YOU are telling ME what I was trading? Woa is that troll speak 101 or something?

Why should I step back when I have historical FACT. YOU step back and reframe your argument, it explains alot about  the way this thread has gone.

Anyone informed knows Entropy sent live signals version 1.3 and 1.4.


please share some trades you took off the live service, what I remember, and I think we are talking at least a year ago, is it worked very sporadically and was only operational for a very brief period of time, does anyone else remember it different?


I was able to join the 2x version for a few months and i really can't say i was amazed of the whole performance. I had good signals, many bad signals, many delayed signals, many bad /  useless signals on shorter timeframes. I still don't understand people who overhype this thing, i'm asking, why? Because someone put all the historical data in one excel sheet and it looks okay?? Those are not traded signals, nobody showed a proof about the full performance of Entropy on demo or live accounts. Are you guys paper/pencil traders on the turf? Anyway, why did the 2x client stop a long time ago? How come that someone (a professional coder) who already released 3 or more WORKING versions, after a mysterious long time disappearance, finally when he comes out with a newer version, it has an amateur "connection timeout" error and nobody can connect??? Sure enough, there's still no fix for that extraordinary mistake... He stated so many times, it works perfectly and it's ready to be released..... Come on, people, like the other "real" traders said: it is very time to wake up, better to leave the parade and find something useful!!! Life is short, there are other, REAL things are waiting for traders, who're willing to learn and want to be successful...


Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk (http://tapatalk.com/m?id=1)
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: kaltrax on December 21, 2013, 05:38:25 AM
kaltrax, Entropy is not going to make you anything either. YOU are the one that will make the difference. I can tell you now that if you are in doubt with yourself that is one system that will take you out on a psychological level quicker than you can ever imagine.

Exactly, after Ten Years trying whith all my illussion, money, endless hours burnings my eyes, i feel that is time to recap seriously.

My own system of perception is my worst enemy, and i can't find a way that suits whith my paradigma.

And it hurts..., but i don't care to admit here.
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: FXQueen on December 21, 2013, 08:02:51 AM
What? YOU are telling ME what I was trading? Woa is that troll speak 101 or something?

Why should I step back when I have historical FACT. YOU step back and reframe your argument, it explains alot about  the way this thread has gone.

Anyone informed knows Entropy sent live signals version 1.3 and 1.4.

I believe everybody commenting here are informed, some are just more realistic than others.

Please share the historical FACT. Speaking down to people and making a lot of noise avoiding the issues might work where the "cheerleaders" are in control. In an open forum that is well moderated it's not going to bring you very far.

Getting to the live signals, they were dodgy to say the least. Trading an automated system means you trade every signal. The moment you have to filter out, decide which trades to take etc it is not an automated system anymore. It is just a hybrid indicator.
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: daje on December 21, 2013, 09:45:26 AM
What? YOU are telling ME what I was trading? Woa is that troll speak 101 or something?

Why should I step back when I have historical FACT. YOU step back and reframe your argument, it explains alot about  the way this thread has gone.

Anyone informed knows Entropy sent live signals version 1.3 and 1.4.

I believe everybody commenting here are informed, some are just more realistic than others.

Please share the historical FACT. Speaking down to people and making a lot of noise avoiding the issues might work where the "cheerleaders" are in control. In an open forum that is well moderated it's not going to bring you very far.

Getting to the live signals, they were dodgy to say the least. Trading an automated system means you trade every signal. The moment you have to filter out, decide which trades to take etc it is not an automated system anymore. It is just a hybrid indicator.

Alright then. Exactly how far can one travel amongst a group of trolls? I mean really. I find the signals less dodgy than some of the responses here lol.

My contributions are verbose earlier in this thread, so rather than read history hand to mouth is what everyone wants right?   Although Im not so sure this post would be helpful to you, or anyone. You see, as Kaltrax has rightly pointed out a system involving manual inputs opens up the traders influence. This determines success as much as any system. Most of the commentary about entropy in the last year is just blah blah.

May I suggest that, rather than revisit history, Blutos current 3 month data is brought into focus. This data is every signal detailed in terms of signal content for the recent three months. Yes, its excel, yes its produced by its developer, however its what is best available now.

My personal experience in trading manually was I had to find tradeable signals amongst thousands delivered each day. I used my own spreadsheet to siphon these signals within a few seconds. I could quickly decide strongest pair, strongest signal by any timeframe. I also added my own criterion for signal selection.  I would say i traded off of less than 1 percent of all the signals. Some of the signals amazed me, and even the 5 minute produced some good calls, and some profits, i enjoyed using v1.3. However I went on to make losses in JPY dailies when the BOJ was intervening and Entropy kept calling shorts when using v1.4. In addition, i could not process the signals without the help of other FXAW members and the \MT4 indis. Diversions such as BARF and other methods also interested me in terms of overlay with entropy, as im a bit of a tinkerer - this doesnt help the strict approach one would call for as evidence of a proper answer to the 'so how was entropy for you' question.  I use ANN products in my day job so i have alot of respect for the math behind entropy, this is what led me to sign up Feb 12 or so. I think neural nets are the best way to assail the markets - but the algos already know this right? Here is a chance to back this method, or not, if it doesnt suit you.

Saying things like 'the signals were dodgy' is an opinion, not from a statistical mindset..

In summary then, I can understand the frustration of many, as developments of an individual manual method calls for excel skills and other skills even before you trade. I was pissed of when we lost all use of the system, like everyone else. Hence all the interest in the latest development, which is automated.

This is all from me, carry on.



 
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: FXQueen on December 21, 2013, 12:58:27 PM
Alright then. Exactly how far can one travel amongst a group of trolls? I mean really. I find the signals less dodgy than some of the responses here lol.

My contributions are verbose earlier in this thread, so rather than read history hand to mouth is what everyone wants right?   Although Im not so sure this post would be helpful to you, or anyone. You see, as Kaltrax has rightly pointed out a system involving manual inputs opens up the traders influence. This determines success as much as any system. Most of the commentary about entropy in the last year is just blah blah.

May I suggest that, rather than revisit history, Blutos current 3 month data is brought into focus. This data is every signal detailed in terms of signal content for the recent three months. Yes, its excel, yes its produced by its developer, however its what is best available now.

My personal experience in trading manually was I had to find tradeable signals amongst thousands delivered each day. I used my own spreadsheet to siphon these signals within a few seconds. I could quickly decide strongest pair, strongest signal by any timeframe. I also added my own criterion for signal selection.  I would say i traded off of less than 1 percent of all the signals. Some of the signals amazed me, and even the 5 minute produced some good calls, and some profits, i enjoyed using v1.3. However I went on to make losses in JPY dailies when the BOJ was intervening and Entropy kept calling shorts when using v1.4. In addition, i could not process the signals without the help of other FXAW members and the \MT4 indis. Diversions such as BARF and other methods also interested me in terms of overlay with entropy, as im a bit of a tinkerer - this doesnt help the strict approach one would call for as evidence of a proper answer to the 'so how was entropy for you' question.  I use ANN products in my day job so i have alot of respect for the math behind entropy, this is what led me to sign up Feb 12 or so. I think neural nets are the best way to assail the markets - but the algos already know this right? Here is a chance to back this method, or not, if it doesnt suit you.

Saying things like 'the signals were dodgy' is an opinion, not from a statistical mindset..

In summary then, I can understand the frustration of many, as developments of an individual manual method calls for excel skills and other skills even before you trade. I was pissed of when we lost all use of the system, like everyone else. Hence all the interest in the latest development, which is automated.

This is all from me, carry on.
Sigh, the reaction of the insecure and arrogant. A weak attempt at sarcasm and calling everybody not agreeing with you a troll.  And all we’ve asked for was the historical FACT, which is nicely side-stepped in your paragraph 3.

You are correct; this post is not really helpful to me, or anyone. I’m burning to ask why you’ve made it if you were not so sure but that is another issue altogether.  Kaltrax is pointing out that he had no success in the market for the past ten years. I might be missing something but there will be signals for 28 pairs, most of them minors. The decision must still be made on what pairs he will trade – manual process – or will you be making recommendations?  The dude is running on HOPE, in trading that’s worse than FEAR and GREED.

The best available right now is not good enough. Read the discussions about spread etc. on FXAW and you might realize we can focus as much as we like on the spreadsheet it is meaningless. It might be more meaningful if accompanied by some extra information but as it currently stands, no. 

Your personal experience is called scalping. The rest of the explanation basically proof that you are lacking in real trading experience. You never had a proper system, you were tinkering. Are you willing to share something about the math behind Entropy? We at least half agree on one thing, it is a good way to assail the markets.

Saying things like 'the signals were dodgy' and ‘the signals ARE dodgy’ after applying a statistical mindset is valid. Read the posts on FXAW of the people you don’t agree with (trolls) and you will find the answers.

Having this discussion is actually a waste of time. You can go now.
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: fibtracer on December 21, 2013, 04:10:16 PM
Out of respect for Bluto, I have edited this post to reflect that he finally has delivered the entropy product, it took years but he finally released something. Time will tell if it works.
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: JimDog on December 22, 2013, 09:04:07 AM
Bluto Dec 2011........

"It's indeed going to be an amazing New Year coming up...heck, it's already an amazing year NOW!  With Entropy continuing it's evolution as our flagship vessel, and the launching of our new website and a host of other features, 2012 is going to be an awesome year for us."

And for people expecting a new forum......

"I was talking to my wife and one of my partners the other night, and we're thinking that while it might be pushing things just a bit and might be a bit pre-mature in light of all that is in the planning, perhaps the summer of 2012 might be an opportune time to consider having our first FXAW member conference."

Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: huuu on December 22, 2013, 11:53:34 AM
Well, the troll queue is heating up in here, whats with the bashing effort? You guys MUST be on a payroll of some kind. Ive seen this all before, the internets getting older now.

Im a simple person, what I know is Entropy works because I have used it for manual trading for months.

Now, its being automated, end of story. How long it all takes, and how long it stays is the perogative of one person.

Keep going, at least you guys are interesting enough for me to type this.

Cloud cuckoo time or what!!! Yes we are on a payroll to ensure that poor unsuspecting people do not pay $300 to Bluto for vaporware and this scam has now been going on for over 5 years and he and people who are in fact on the payroll like you continue to trap more and more victims some of whom are pinning all their retirement hopes on this cr*p.

If you have been trading Cr*ptropy manually for months you seriously need some psychological help because you are delusional. There has been no working system available to trade manually or automatically, and I dare you to post a single picture of this system here to prove me wrong.
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: huuu on December 22, 2013, 11:58:00 AM
This is by far the most ridiculous and pathetic thread ever seen in several Forums.

A thread full of frustrated kids that haven't enough balls to post in FXAW and vomit stuff here in a DonnaForex nonsense thread.

YouHuuuu , fbtracer and company grow some balls and post in the appropriate location if you have something to say or stop this Luna Park of thread full of frustration and crap.

I wait to see your vomit in FXAW and not here, don't behave like rabbits and leave the skirt of your mother, if you really have something to denounce do it there, otherwise shut up and stop to show us how pathetic and coward you are.



I wait your posts in FXAW even if i guess i will not see a single one of these nonsense vomit here in FXAW.



Merry Xmas, childrens ^^.






R.

For people who are on FXAW it is too late, they have lost their $300 and there is nothing they can do about it, so it is absolutely pointless posting there!!!

Now try to use that single firing neuron to grasp the idea that the sole purpose of posting in public forums like this is to ensure that no more poor unsuspecting people are cheated out of any more money by Bluto and his cronies!!!
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: daje on December 23, 2013, 04:28:42 AM
Well, the troll queue is heating up in here, whats with the bashing effort? You guys MUST be on a payroll of some kind. Ive seen this all before, the internets getting older now.

Im a simple person, what I know is Entropy works because I have used it for manual trading for months.

Now, its being automated, end of story. How long it all takes, and how long it stays is the perogative of one person.

Keep going, at least you guys are interesting enough for me to type this.

Cloud cuckoo time or what!!! Yes we are on a payroll to ensure that poor unsuspecting people do not pay $300 to Bluto for vaporware and this scam has now been going on for over 5 years and he and people who are in fact on the payroll like you continue to trap more and more victims some of whom are pinning all their retirement hopes on this cr*p.

If you have been trading Cr*ptropy manually for months you seriously need some psychological help because you are delusional. There has been no working system available to trade manually or automatically, and I dare you to post a single picture of this system here to prove me wrong.

Thank you for answering my question, sorry for labelling you a troll.

My word is all you get huuu, if that aint good enough too bad thats where i stop. I dont think you read my earlier post.. I have one trade image stored from over a year ago (i dont generally store images). May be the only thing i can add are dates wherein version 1.3 stopped around August 2012 or so. . Delusion? funny that I thought you were deluded in telling me what I have done, but Ive calmed down a bit and decided its a wind up on your part. Munch on that if you want.

Commercially, I would say do not purchase an Entropy membership at least until the next version is released and proven stable with time. That makes plain sense to anyone ready to part with $300. Retiree or no. It has been nearly 2 years since I joined, so Im not all beer and skittles either. How is this position a trap?

 As an investment Entropy has to exist in a stable way before it is ever considered as a long term proposition - isnt that obvious?









Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: marejp on December 23, 2013, 08:01:32 AM
As an investment Entropy has to exist in a stable way before it is ever considered as a long term proposition - isnt that obvious?

I cannot see that joining a signal service is an investment. An investment will be if you pay a professional trader eg. Ed Ponzi to teach you how to trade.
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: huuu on December 23, 2013, 08:42:15 AM
Well, the troll queue is heating up in here, whats with the bashing effort? You guys MUST be on a payroll of some kind. Ive seen this all before, the internets getting older now.

Im a simple person, what I know is Entropy works because I have used it for manual trading for months.

Now, its being automated, end of story. How long it all takes, and how long it stays is the perogative of one person.

Keep going, at least you guys are interesting enough for me to type this.

Cloud cuckoo time or what!!! Yes we are on a payroll to ensure that poor unsuspecting people do not pay $300 to Bluto for vaporware and this scam has now been going on for over 5 years and he and people who are in fact on the payroll like you continue to trap more and more victims some of whom are pinning all their retirement hopes on this cr*p.

If you have been trading Cr*ptropy manually for months you seriously need some psychological help because you are delusional. There has been no working system available to trade manually or automatically, and I dare you to post a single picture of this system here to prove me wrong.

Thank you for answering my question, sorry for labelling you a troll.

My word is all you get huuu, if that aint good enough too bad thats where i stop. I dont think you read my earlier post.. I have one trade image stored from over a year ago (i dont generally store images). May be the only thing i can add are dates wherein version 1.3 stopped around August 2012 or so. . Delusion? funny that I thought you were deluded in telling me what I have done, but Ive calmed down a bit and decided its a wind up on your part. Munch on that if you want.

Commercially, I would say do not purchase an Entropy membership at least until the next version is released and proven stable with time. That makes plain sense to anyone ready to part with $300. Retiree or no. It has been nearly 2 years since I joined, so Im not all beer and skittles either. How is this position a trap?

As an investment Entropy has to exist in a stable way before it is ever considered as a long term proposition - isnt that obvious?


It is obvious to anyone who has access to the fxaw forum but by then it is too late you have lost your money with no realistic prospect of ever getting it back, and not at all obvious to those who do not have access to the fxaw forum. Just read the stuff Bluto himself has written earlier in this thread about performance and see how easily people can be fooled into thinking this is the best thing since sliced bread, when in fact it has delivered absolutely nothing in over 5 years.
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: fibtracer on December 23, 2013, 08:05:11 PM
The release is only hours away, the cheerleaders are busy changing their diapers, wall street is bracing for the impact, Goldman Sachs is placing their hedges, it's too much excitement to handle.
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: huuu on December 24, 2013, 11:29:51 AM
The release is only hours away, the cheerleaders are busy changing their diapers, wall street is bracing for the impact, Goldman Sachs is placing their hedges, it's too much excitement to handle.

Bluto is an accomplished gamester if not anything else and I will make this prediction: It is no coincidence that he is releasing this when the market is dead so that if it does well all the credit goes to him and if it does not then it is the lack of liquidity to blame.

One thing is for certain, when the liquidity returns to normal in the 2nd week of Jan, Bluto will come up with some glitch or other and take the whole thing away for the proper release to be delayed again until Christmas 2014, and so groundhog's day will continue!!!
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: fibtracer on December 24, 2013, 02:43:09 PM
He missed the monday date
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: odysseus11 on December 24, 2013, 03:10:13 PM
I try to avoid further comment on here, said all Ihave to say for the most part already, but just wanted to make one post that I have Entropy 3.0 signal client running and receiving signals. Have *NOT* placed any trades with it, in fact still dont know how the signals are intended to be interpreted, but wanted to just make 1 statement to all members here in 3 parts:
1) Entropy and Craig - whatever else they or he may or may not be - are NOT vaporware. He PUTS OUT SOFTWARE. It may or may not be profitable, who knows as of yet, and it may take him literally years when he says days, but he *does* put it out. NOT VAPORWARE.
2) I am *still* as frustrated as everyone else with Craigs timelines and the way he does things, but he is the king of the castle, and the complaints and nonsense on his forum are really a waste of time. Really wish he would hire someone else to admin the forum.
3) I would *still* not suggest anyone join until and unless entropy3 is running and stable for quite some time. The last versions that we had in my view were never stable enough for real time and real world use, and therefore were nothing. Until there is *something* stable, I just cant in good conscience suggest that people join, even though I consider myself a happy and loyal member of the forum and have been for years. I think Steve Hopwood also said the same thing a little ways back.

Lets hope Entropy comes fully online - again, at least we DO have software that IS operational.
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: anothetrader on December 27, 2013, 07:32:11 PM
Reading this thread, tells me the fellow who claims to have a software system that gives out signals that work, is playing on peoples dreams as well as their wallets.

Does any clear thinking person believe they can get valid signals from some software service for $300.00 or what ever he charges,
he may send signals, but trading is not just about an entry, trading is about knowing where all the obstacles are and where to
place a correct SL, TP.

If this fellow could do a quarter of what he claims, there would be a lot of wealthy people within his forum.

Best thing is to learn how to trade correctly yourselves, I know it's hard but it can be done.

anothetrader

Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: Remotus on December 29, 2013, 06:45:54 AM


YouHuuuu , fbtracer and company continue in their miserable behaviors, fortunately these children with a mother with long skirt to cover them will be sooo silent in few days ^^..... wonder why ^^ .....

Don't worry guys you can always join SteveToolwood imba Forum, it's an awesome place .....for trolls, the founder is a ultimate troll other than a loser, you will be at home there ;) .

Catch you in the next days children, just to have a laugh or 2 about your vomit here ^^.


C ya and have fun  :-*
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: fibtracer on January 02, 2014, 01:30:23 AM
Out of respect for Bluto, I have edited this post to reflect that he finally has delivered the entropy product, it took years but he finally released something. Time will tell if it works.
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: FXQueen on January 02, 2014, 08:27:18 AM
Well, it has many bugs and some of the features are not even enabled yet. Not going to mention performance, but the blind followers that went live on day 1 are certainly regretting that choice. ROFL
What you are actually saying then fibtracer is that we will NOT see a laughing Remotus here soon.  :'(
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: chewz on January 02, 2014, 12:20:17 PM
To say it's a still a scam is crazy :)
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: Remotus on January 03, 2014, 01:51:04 AM


Hey children!  How is going here  :P ? 

Why all silent  ;D , you have lost the voice?

And all the scam vomit where is gone?

AHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA




Take care muppets, and good pips to all...... if you manage to get some  :-*  .
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: FXQueen on January 03, 2014, 03:23:54 PM


Hey children!  How is going here  :P ? 

Why all silent  ;D , you have lost the voice?

And all the scam vomit where is gone?

AHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA

Take care muppets, and good pips to all...... if you manage to get some  :-*  .
Emotionally you are not fit to be a trader. Will be interesting to see what blows first - your account or the scam.
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: fibtracer on January 04, 2014, 03:01:02 PM


Hey children!  How is going here  :P ? 

Why all silent  ;D , you have lost the voice?

And all the scam vomit where is gone?

AHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA

Take care muppets, and good pips to all...... if you manage to get some  :-*  .
Emotionally you are not fit to be a trader. Will be interesting to see what blows first - your account or the scam.

the Remotus posts sound like Steve Hopwood after a few whiskeys, and yes doesn't seem mentally and emotionally fit for trading
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: kaltrax on January 04, 2014, 05:41:53 PM
Not going to say a whole lot because Bluto said anyone posting results outside of his forum will get banned. Bluto stated OVER AND OVER for YEARS that he wasn't going to release until it was PERFECT. Well, it has many bugs and some of the features are not even enabled yet. Not going to mention performance, but the blind followers that went live on day 1 are certainly regretting that choice. ROFL

Overall this is not a bluff.

Maybe at the end only works a bit of time , how MDP i.e. and brokers start to cheating, but at least i was received what i paid.

Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: lorax on January 05, 2014, 09:55:32 PM
Well,well,what do you know,Craptropy is finally released. Is it what it's supposed to be?! Not even close.It opens trades like any other robot,right on the top of the move for longs and on the bottom for the shorts. It opens that many trades some will eventually be profitable,but it does have stops so that limits the losses and it lets winners run so it should be profitable if Clark,Craig or whatever the guys name is figures out how to code in trailing stops  ;D   I'll give it a chance if proper money management is applied to the hole thing. For using it live,I'd still stay well away from it. It's just another bot  ;)
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: Remotus on January 06, 2014, 01:21:54 AM

lorax, kaltrax, fibtracer, FXqueen and the rest of the muppets, you are just making yourself progressively ridiculous day after day, you need to be classified as "laxative pseudo-traders group" and open your own Forum: LPTG. Tell me when the membership will be open and i join at the speed of light  :P.

Nice trading , guys ^^.   :-*


R.   
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: NatC on January 06, 2014, 01:35:20 AM
I to bought into this thing a few years back and haven't seen any benefit at all. I am inclined to think that maybe the forum should label this as scam just because of all the broken deadlines.  No one in any other business other than producing hopeware could get away with this.  Sad but its just really not on to take 300$ and not give anything back for several years when you promised a few months.  But o well that is the forex business.
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: DesPips on January 06, 2014, 05:20:54 AM
@Natc - you say you are a FXAW member?  If take your head out of your arse long enough to catch some fresh air you would already know that Craig released the new Entropy bot around Xmas and it has been flat out kicking ass and taking numbers ever since.  I'm talking jaw dropping results, not just a couple of percent either.  So why are you still running your mouth over here?  It sounds like a personal problem to me.  In a word I have never ever seen an EA or system produce these kind of numbers.  You can say what you want about Craig-bluto and yes he sometime isn't the best with the time deadline and delivery but the guy is a true amazing genius.  I saw this thread and it disgust me .  So many losers and tossers that I,m glad Craig has the final word to slinece you tools.  Don't believe it?  PM me and I'll show you what a real moneymaker system looks lile.
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: FXQueen on January 06, 2014, 06:46:43 PM
If take your head out of your arse long enough to catch some fresh air you would already know that Craig released the new Entropy bot around Xmas and it has been flat out kicking ass and taking numbers ever since.  I'm talking jaw dropping results, not just a couple of percent either.  So why are you still running your mouth over here?  It sounds like a personal problem to me.  In a word I have never ever seen an EA or system produce these kind of numbers.  You can say what you want about Craig-bluto and yes he sometime isn't the best with the time deadline and delivery but the guy is a true amazing genius.  I saw this thread and it disgust me .  So many losers and tossers that I,m glad Craig has the final word to slinece you tools.  Don't believe it?  PM me and I'll show you what a real moneymaker system looks lile.
Released around Xmas and today is 6 January  (throw in a few days that the markets were closed) and you had seen a real moneymaker system?

I'm convinced and a true believer now.

FXQ
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: DesPips on January 06, 2014, 07:43:08 PM
FXQ, when is the last time you saw a sytem almost double an acct overnite?.  And in a holiday market.  Just saying, your highness.
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: aagarcia on January 06, 2014, 10:37:14 PM
FXQ, when is the last time you saw a sytem almost double an acct overnite?.  And in a holiday market.  Just saying, your highness.
Lol, let's not get ahead of ourselves.  It doubled the account because it's demo and we are aggressive trading everything AND today it gave it ALL back AND cut balance almost in half.  This is what we call BETA. So please stop with the silly numbers and expectations.
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: lorax on January 06, 2014, 11:01:13 PM
Yup,Entropy is throwing out some great numbers. Opened a demo $10000, it's now at $300. Great money making system. MA Cross EA would've had better results on 26 pairs. For someone who worked at NASSA, one would think bluto would be able to code some sort of software that doesn't have so many bugs. That crap is so full of bugs, its a joke. The strategy behind it is just simple Fib retracement and expansions and it's not very good at doing that either.
 Everyone in the chat is spending so much time trying to get the thing to work,that once they get it going they are just happy about the fact that it's working and completely oblivious to the fact that Craptropy is taking random trades just like it did in earlier versions. Usual cheer squad members are still finding excuses in the whole Beta testing  thing, but no amount of beta testing is gonna make bluto a trader. He is a scam artist who tried and failed in trading and is now making money by selling people a pie in the sky. Four years of coding to come up with second grade piece of programing?
If NASSA employed people like Craig, the moon wouldn't need to be further than Mexico,they would never reach it  ;D
Craptropy is officially parked itself in that special place om my PC... Recycle bin
Done and out.
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: jamestan1978 on January 07, 2014, 06:13:42 AM
No offense to anyone, but I've seen many system that could double triple account within few days only that it gave all back including deposit amount too, all wipe out. Check it out yourself at mql5 website, especially the signal service area.

Entropy could well easily be one of those, anyway again no offense to anyone just stating my experiences.
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: fibtracer on January 07, 2014, 02:59:10 PM
The issue I have is that we have waited years for bluto to get it perfect and bluto said he would not release until it was perfect. The plain and simple fact is it is far from perfect.
Title: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: mozola on January 07, 2014, 10:54:58 PM
@Natc - you say you are a FXAW member?  If take your head out of your arse long enough to catch some fresh air you would already know that Craig released the new Entropy bot around Xmas and it has been flat out kicking ass and taking numbers ever since.  I'm talking jaw dropping results, not just a couple of percent either.  So why are you still running your mouth over here?  It sounds like a personal problem to me.  In a word I have never ever seen an EA or system produce these kind of numbers.  You can say what you want about Craig-bluto and yes he sometime isn't the best with the time deadline and delivery but the guy is a true amazing genius.  I saw this thread and it disgust me .  So many losers and tossers that I,m glad Craig has the final word to slinece you tools.  Don't believe it?  PM me and I'll show you what a real moneymaker system looks lile.

Only an amateur can say this.... Seriously? You don't see what's going on? How can you say "real moneymaker" after a few days? What about now, when it's failed badly? Now it's a real what? If you had took your head out of Craig's arse, you would see, this thing is garbage, any experienced traders can see it... No concept, random signals, no mm, full of with bugs and errors... I already waved byebye for the member fee i paid last year, it was obvious with the previous version of E, it sends tons of random signals, it's like a nobrainer grid.. Like as it was told, recycle it in the bin...
Don't lean on anything, take your time and LEARN how to trade!!!!!


Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk (http://tapatalk.com/m?id=1)
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: fibtracer on January 08, 2014, 03:46:30 PM
hey DesPips, how are your pips today?
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: fibtracer on January 10, 2014, 03:10:14 PM
DesPips got really quiet, wonder why?   lol
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: FXQueen on January 18, 2014, 10:53:27 AM
DesPips got really quiet, wonder why?   lol
By now he is sipping exotic concoctions from a pineapple with a little paper umbrella on some Caribbean island ....
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: fibtracer on January 27, 2014, 11:07:35 PM
I think I figured out how to make money with this thing, write a script the reverses the trades in entropy. If entropy says go long go short!
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: FXQueen on February 20, 2014, 09:24:22 PM
I think I figured out how to make money with this thing, write a script the reverses the trades in entropy. If entropy says go long go short!
Hi fibtracer. Is your reversal of the reversal system working or is nothing working at this stage?
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: fibtracer on February 21, 2014, 07:03:55 PM
I think I figured out how to make money with this thing, write a script the reverses the trades in entropy. If entropy says go long go short!
Hi fibtracer. Is your reversal of the reversal system working or is nothing working at this stage?

I was joking but I am sure it would probably work pretty damn good! I quit demoing but my closed trades window was full of stopped out losers. I don't know how to code maybe get one of those guys that are good at coding to give it a try! 
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: goldenmember on February 21, 2014, 07:21:14 PM
Has anyone who uses this system tried putting it up on a myfxbook (private or otherwise)?
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: fibtracer on April 03, 2014, 12:31:41 AM
The horrid results continue and Hopwood buries his head in the sand. Bluto is great at BS and coding in general but he can't write a EA that comes close to winning to save his life.
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: aagarcia on April 14, 2014, 05:41:52 PM
I got my refund by finally calling him out.  Letting him know that I know he is really Clark Farabaugh Jr and that pretending to be a NASA employee is indeed a federal offense. Why he chose to make up this whole fake life and story is something else.  But his snake oil and cult members continue.  Why do you think it's all a black box? Sad state of affairs.

****BTW- don't believe the fake testimonials that go up after any criticism of this scam.  It's all Clark and the scoundrel Hopwood posing along with their posse.
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: odysseus11 on April 14, 2014, 09:26:33 PM
Im actually curious what else you have found out about, there wont be any "fake" testimonials from me. I paid my membership fee many years ago, it was relatively cheap, and I have enjoyed using their forum, which is what I paid for. Did it help me make money trading? of course not. But thats not what was offered for my subscription fee, so i dont feel cheated.

I gave up long ago hoping to see anything useful in terms of a working EA, from Craig or anyone else, but I pop back in to FXAW from time to time just to read up on the progress, and it is depressing every time. I like seeing people work continually on it, but people need to be realistic and not pin their hopes and dreams on Entropy.
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: aagarcia on April 14, 2014, 11:24:41 PM
Im actually curious what else you have found out about, there wont be any "fake" testimonials from me. I paid my membership fee many years ago, it was relatively cheap, and I have enjoyed using their forum, which is what I paid for. Did it help me make money trading? of course not. But thats not what was offered for my subscription fee, so i dont feel cheated.

I gave up long ago hoping to see anything useful in terms of a working EA, from Craig or anyone else, but I pop back in to FXAW from time to time just to read up on the progress, and it is depressing every time. I like seeing people work continually on it, but people need to be realistic and not pin their hopes and dreams on Entropy.
Hi O. And that would have been fine but for the fact we were lied to.  I initially purchased based on the Entropy paper from Clark who Hopwood lauded and lauded about.  Bluto claimed time and time again how he had a working version that was making money but he couldn't release it yet, etc, etc , etc.  2 years go by and this is where it's at.  Where members have to build it for him based on feedback??  And it still loses and loses.  I mean, c'mon give me a break.  Add to that the fake identities and fake excuses.  Enough already. Not to mention the monies going to donations!  Yeah, right....
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: odysseus11 on April 15, 2014, 12:13:13 AM
I know, its a pretty sorry state of affairs.
I gave up after about the 5th or 6th longwinded "white paper" from Bluto which still didnt accompany any working code of any value.
I'm not one of the ones looking for a refund, but wish those luck that go for it.
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: samsnz on April 17, 2014, 11:07:21 AM
is he giving refunds, what a waste of time ....
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: fibtracer on April 25, 2014, 12:33:01 AM
You just need to be patient he says, just a couple more years of collecting fees and dodging the law! What a dirtbag, probably the only people left in there cheering him on are fakes created by him.
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: herman on April 25, 2014, 03:33:58 AM
Volvox and Solar Wind (period 2) one and the same. Probably at least 90% of the Ea's built at FXAW(Jitterbug,Marauder,probably Entropy) are using this Solar Wind clone, no Ea will ever be successful using this repainting indicator.
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: fibtracer on April 25, 2014, 03:14:19 PM
Hopwood cracks me up, he acts likes his forum is some great country club that costs boatloads of cash to get in and membership is some great privilege. If you get booted from his forum and want to get back in it is real easy, he uses an IP based ban system, google around and you can see how easy it is to beat. On another note, see this post from Hopwood about how he is fuming mad at Clark, maybe Clark isn't paying up on his commissions???

"I have done a bit of pruning here tonight.

Might I suggest that non-members of FXAW refrain from potentially libelous postings about a subject they know nothing about. Doing so has already cost two previously highly-regarded members of SHF their membership here, and another his useful membership.

Does anybody who knows me really think that "Might I suggest that" really means "Might I suggest that" rather than, "Ok guys, here is what is going to happen here."?

Dream on.

FXAW members are entitled to describe their experiences with the stuff on offer at FXAW, in this thread, good or bad. That is fine. Non FXAW members are not entitled to contribute.

Every time someone here suggests that the owner of FXAW is less than totally honest also calls into judgement my integrity. Guess how I react to that?

Actually, I am seriously pissed at Craig for a number of different reasons. None of them have to do with his personal integrity, so do not even consider going there again. Not if you value your membership here."

 
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: anothetrader on April 30, 2014, 02:10:56 PM
Doing so has already cost two previously highly-regarded members of SHF their membership here, and another his useful membership.

One of those above was MrLong who started his own forum.

His EA has only lost one time in 24 trades and it's fee at his forum  :D
www.fxtradingforum.co.uk (http://www.fxtradingforum.co.uk)

anothetrader


Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: aagarcia on April 30, 2014, 05:38:15 PM
Hopwood is scum.  I've said it time and time again.  His kickbacks are all he cares about.  Bluto is a thief and impostor.  I have been told "they" are coming after him.  It takes time though as they mount their evidence and case.  But nevertheless it IS a federal offense to impersonate a NASA employee.
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: wnabo on May 04, 2014, 02:41:48 PM
Im actually curious what else you have found out about, there wont be any "fake" testimonials from me. I paid my membership fee many years ago, it was relatively cheap, and I have enjoyed using their forum, which is what I paid for. Did it help me make money trading? of course not. But thats not what was offered for my subscription fee, so i dont feel cheated.

I gave up long ago hoping to see anything useful in terms of a working EA, from Craig or anyone else, but I pop back in to FXAW from time to time just to read up on the progress, and it is depressing every time. I like seeing people work continually on it, but people need to be realistic and not pin their hopes and dreams on Entropy.
Hi O. And that would have been fine but for the fact we were lied to.  I initially purchased based on the Entropy paper from Clark who Hopwood lauded and lauded about.  Bluto claimed time and time again how he had a working version that was making money but he couldn't release it yet, etc, etc , etc.  2 years go by and this is where it's at.  Where members have to build it for him based on feedback??  And it still loses and loses.  I mean, c'mon give me a break.  Add to that the fake identities and fake excuses.  Enough already. Not to mention the monies going to donations!  Yeah, right....

Yes you are absolutely right I used to blindly support Craig esp when the Captain was around. But then the months of silence started. and unmet deadlines and promises of it working and nothing yet . I mean if its working on your end how hard is it to share the signals. When he finally released it it was still making losses and he says it needs some tweaks we wonder what the hell what he working on all this time then!!!. I mean if it was making money but there are problems with signal delivery which is from the users end; then its understandable. But its not its losing big time. I mean even I can trade better than this two-years ago. And my word of advice is trading forex is not that hard. It just takes a lot of patience and diligent learning and two years of pinning your hopes on a robot that doesn't deliver is more than enough time to start making money at forex if you stick to just one good system.
On the other hand to give Craig the benefit of the doubt, I do have another explanation for the turn of events. i do believe Craig is dead. Yes the real Craig is probably dead. I mean he should old or aged by now. Entropy started out giving great results only issue was entry and exit and timing but direction was always right. Then he has a heart attack is probably bed ridden or dies after a few months. That explains the months of absence and no communication. Then after months of trying to hack into Craig's system his only assistant succeeds and decides to impersonate Craig and continue the flow of easy cash into his coffers. I mean nobody has seen Craig nobody knows him. This person with enough access can successfully impersonate Craig indefinitely. Only problem is he doesn't know the exact algorithyms or whatever you call them so because of pressure he starts communicating and promises to deliver. He delivers a program that doesn't work and asks for feedback to "tweak" the system. I believe the real Craig is dead . Yes, he must be.
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: wnabo on May 04, 2014, 02:53:34 PM
I got my refund by finally calling him out.  Letting him know that I know he is really Clark Farabaugh Jr and that pretending to be a NASA employee is indeed a federal offense. Why he chose to make up this whole fake life and story is something else.  But his snake oil and cult members continue.  Why do you think it's all a black box? Sad state of affairs.

****BTW- don't believe the fake testimonials that go up after any criticism of this scam.  It's all Clark and the scoundrel Hopwood posing along with their posse.
How did you get your refund I'd like to get mine too. Not that it would compensate the loss of time but it would be a comfort to a dear friend of mine whom I led into all this.
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: odysseus11 on May 04, 2014, 04:11:20 PM
Hmmm...I dont buy the "Craig is dead" theory.
He actually posted yet another "white paper" almost a year ago, which was as usual longwinded, with silly diagrams and all that, and when all the large words were boiled away said mostly nothing. That was the point I gave up hoping on a working Entropy.

But *since* then he has been online and posting, his posts are so incredibly wordy I cant even get through them - just scan to the end. But to my mind its still the same person, whatever his real name and occupation are.

I have no idea when or how it went wrong, maybe he himself was so convinced that Entropy would be the grail everyone had been waiting for, and the truthful realization that it *isnt* just has him unable to confront reality. Dont know. what I do know is that I dont blame everyone for wanting a refund, and I sure would NOT be running Entropy on any live money accounts until a LONG period of stability. Every time I look at the forum, they are on their umpteenth round of "testing" and "tweaking", which seem to ultimately go nowhere. Very sad.
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: aagarcia on May 04, 2014, 04:39:39 PM
Hmmm...I dont buy the "Craig is dead" theory.
He actually posted yet another "white paper" almost a year ago, which was as usual longwinded, with silly diagrams and all that, and when all the large words were boiled away said mostly nothing. That was the point I gave up hoping on a working Entropy.

But *since* then he has been online and posting, his posts are so incredibly wordy I cant even get through them - just scan to the end. But to my mind its still the same person, whatever his real name and occupation are.

I have no idea when or how it went wrong, maybe he himself was so convinced that Entropy would be the grail everyone had been waiting for, and the truthful realization that it *isnt* just has him unable to confront reality. Dont know. what I do know is that I dont blame everyone for wanting a refund, and I sure would NOT be running Entropy on any live money accounts until a LONG period of stability. Every time I look at the forum, they are on their umpteenth round of "testing" and "tweaking", which seem to ultimately go nowhere. Very sad.
Of course he's not dead- Clark and Craig are the same person but it does go to show how brainwashed he has people over there that they think the only plausible answer is that Craig died and someone took over.  It's so laughable and absurd if it wasn't so pathetic and a sad state of affair.. He'll get caught in time....Both he and the scum Hopwood who knew about this all along, as you can see from the evidence in the Airing room, will have to account for all the MONIES THAT WERE "GIVEN" TO THE SO-CALLED "CHARITIES".

***The even sadder thing is that many in his "cult" will not even care that he is Clark and not Craig and won't care about all the deception.  They have a MATCH.COM and HARMONY.COM social thing going on over there. Poor losers so grateful over an IM interface which is about the ONLY thing that works there.  SAD!
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: petersurrey on May 04, 2014, 05:12:26 PM
..yet another very cleverly worked scam...when will we ever learn..myfxbook verified records only please! this was so cleverly worked though..private forums are always going to gain more attention as no one wants to be left out of the next 'big thing' which of course almost always isn't!
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: fibtracer on May 04, 2014, 06:28:17 PM
Hopwood says the signals are FANTASTIC and Clark says (he really said this so brace yourself for a doosy)  "the better the entry signals are the trickier and more difficult the exit signals are"! So I guess the entry signals are so good it's just going to take Clark and his techo-blabulator a couple more years to figure the exits out. The thing isn't even a neural network like he claims it is. I just wish I lived closer to Virginia to go pay him a visit. 
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: aagarcia on May 04, 2014, 06:59:24 PM
..yet another very cleverly worked scam...when will we ever learn..myfxbook verified records only please! this was so cleverly worked though..private forums are always going to gain more attention as no one wants to be left out of the next 'big thing' which of course almost always isn't!
Yes Peter.  And , of course, keep it a black box where only the VENDOR has control.  That way the user can't really figure things out.  Clark and Hopwood, the ultimate sleaze bags.

***And you can see how Hopwood has scrubbed the thread on FXAW at his site to delete all the criticism on Entropy scam.
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: wnabo on May 08, 2014, 11:36:38 PM
Hmmm...I dont buy the "Craig is dead" theory.
He actually posted yet another "white paper" almost a year ago, which was as usual longwinded, with silly diagrams and all that, and when all the large words were boiled away said mostly nothing. That was the point I gave up hoping on a working Entropy.

But *since* then he has been online and posting, his posts are so incredibly wordy I cant even get through them - just scan to the end. But to my mind its still the same person, whatever his real name and occupation are.

I have no idea when or how it went wrong, maybe he himself was so convinced that Entropy would be the grail everyone had been waiting for, and the truthful realization that it *isnt* just has him unable to confront reality. Dont know. what I do know is that I dont blame everyone for wanting a refund, and I sure would NOT be running Entropy on any live money accounts until a LONG period of stability. Every time I look at the forum, they are on their umpteenth round of "testing" and "tweaking", which seem to ultimately go nowhere. Very sad.
Of course he's not dead- Clark and Craig are the same person but it does go to show how brainwashed he has people over there that they think the only plausible answer is that Craig died and someone took over.  It's so laughable and absurd if it wasn't so pathetic and a sad state of affair.. He'll get caught in time....Both he and the scum Hopwood who knew about this all along, as you can see from the evidence in the Airing room, will have to account for all the MONIES THAT WERE "GIVEN" TO THE SO-CALLED "CHARITIES".

***The even sadder thing is that many in his "cult" will not even care that he is Clark and not Craig and won't care about all the deception.  They have a MATCH.COM and HARMONY.COM social thing going on over there. Poor losers so grateful over an IM interface which is about the ONLY thing that works there.  SAD!
Hey! Lighten up on the brainwash label! We are on the same side here. I would never have joined if you and a host of other respected members of this forum hadn't horded yourselves in. And... you still haven't told me how you got your refund. :)
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: aagarcia on May 14, 2014, 03:17:00 PM
I also want to post this here so more eyes can see. 
 I obtained this from someone who was able to ping Bluto when he was on Hopwood's forum.  Check out the location....Now check out Clark's work address....http://www.zoominfo.com/p/Clark-Farabaugh/2493090 (http://www.zoominfo.com/p/Clark-Farabaugh/2493090)
And with everything else I have.  100% same person.  AND impersonating a NASA employee..... not good.  TAKE HEED Entropy users.  Your money DID NOT go to charity or to a NASA genius.  Don't continue being taken advantage of.  You are only delaying the inevitable.  ACT or be acted upon.  How curious that now all of a sudden Clark (Bluto) is not accepting anymore members. Hmmmm...  STEVE HOPWOOD KNOWS THAT BLUTO IS CLARK AND CONTINUES TO HIDE THAT FACT AS WELL. I guess when you keep getting a cut of the action greed takes over.  This is why I asked on the Global Prime broker site what his affiliation was.  DIRTY!
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: fibtracer on May 14, 2014, 10:41:25 PM
No more members huh, the end must be near. If he isn't taking on new members that probably isn't by his choice. I wonder if the lights will just go out one day or there will be a big grandiose line of BS to go along with it in true Clark style? or maybe even one of those really cool seized by the FBI splash pages :)
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: JimDog on June 30, 2014, 10:55:29 AM
In the process of testing the recent tweaks made for the scalping/trendiing logic when the motherboard on Craig's servers went belly up. Also, new forum, new security, new Trade bot were high on the list when server blew.

Yeh sure it did.  ;)
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: fibtracer on July 30, 2014, 06:55:10 PM
I heard Bluto has gone AWOL again. The server stopped sending out those great signals on 7/13 and his chat/signal software has expired. Who thinks he will come back this time? I think he is gone for good.
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: odysseus11 on July 30, 2014, 09:49:34 PM
feel very badly for the faithful over there.
Its beyond pathetic, and if I was hopwood (who endorsed Craig and stood up for him), I would be FURIOUS.
No matter all the other drama, he cannot just go AWOL, and he knows this, has promised not to again many times now.
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: JimDog on July 30, 2014, 11:28:16 PM
He's gona turn up again with a great story. Something along the lines of
 " I died in a terrible car crash and I'm speaking to you now through a medium"
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: jubal on July 31, 2014, 01:28:28 PM
He's back. Guess we'll have to cancel the gravedigger
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: JimDog on August 01, 2014, 08:55:26 AM
Noticed he has deleted his biography. All that NASA and I was supermans bodyguard stuff gone forever.
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: fibtracer on August 08, 2014, 08:59:40 PM
Noticed he has deleted his biography. All that NASA and I was supermans bodyguard stuff gone forever.

Well not really gone forever, somebody might have saved a copy or two. I think it went something like this

I'm 52 yrs. old, married to my college sweety and have an 19 yr. old son in his first year at James Madison University majoring in Architectural Engineering, and a 16 yr. old daughter (going on 21) who is into High School Cheerleading and boys.

I live in a remote area of southernmost Virginia Beach right on the ocean.  I've worked for NASA in Langley, VA since 1984 and I'm currently Director of Space Navigation Systems Development with a team of 34 staff.   We design the software guidance systems for the shuttle, probes, satellites, etc.  Never a dull moment and some really really cool toys to play with.

I earned a B.S. and M.S. in Computer Science & Engineering from Virginia Tech, and a PhD in Computer Science from Princeton.

I'm a bit of a sports nut and I work out daily, running 5 miles on the beach (barefoot) each and every day, rain or shine.  My main passion is guitar, and I currently own over 23 of them and have a full recording studio attached to the house.  I took formal lessons for 10 years, once taught for a few years in my college days, and have been in a local band with the same guys for about 25 years...we currently do wedding gigs for fun and profit but play just about any music style in any type of venue.  We actually opened for ZZTop in a local club waaay back in 1972 when they were just getting started.  I've produced two CD's of original music by my band during the past three years.
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: aagarcia on August 09, 2014, 05:04:09 PM
feel very badly for the faithful over there.
Its beyond pathetic, and if I was hopwood (who endorsed Craig and stood up for him), I would be FURIOUS.
No matter all the other drama, he cannot just go AWOL, and he knows this, has promised not to again many times now.

Why would he be furious??  HE'S PART OF THE SCAM!  He has pocketed money from each and every person that signed up.  He knows that "Craig"  is really Clark and knows it's a scam but as long as he got paid, he couldn't care less.  That's why when he associated himself with Global Prime brokerage- I started asking questions.  It ticked off Jeremy but hey, you lie with sh*t you get up stinking of sh*t.  Can't have it both ways.
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: fibtracer on August 13, 2014, 08:59:02 PM
The random signal generator has been offline for a month, bluto has gone incommunicado and yet people in forum say he must be working hard on things behind the screen  LOL  He is probably packing his bags in case a manhunt starts when the website shuts down. As usual he is just stringing people along, something he has mastered. 
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: JimDog on August 27, 2014, 03:11:28 PM
Noticed he has deleted his biography. All that NASA and I was supermans bodyguard stuff gone forever.

"Maybe he has taken his details and moved them to the new site." Yes one of them actually put that in print on the site. Err. copy and paste!

 Could that be the new site promised since 2008

Now that we officially have our new forum up and running (whew!), I wanted to mention some of the upcoming features currently being developed that I will be adding soon.

1.  An official FXAW WebPage that will serve as the "public face" to our forum group with the primary purpose of describing our group and features/benefits for any prospective new candidate members.  There will be an enrollment requisition form.  The main page will also have all of the bells and whistles typical to a trading site such as embedded Forex related gauges, meters, charts, pairs activities, etc.

2.  I have purchased a robust web conferencing option that will be a free benefit to any member who wants to use it for meetings, training, etc.  Features include white boards, web cams, live interaction, video capture, etc.  This will be offered on a scheduled basis to anyone who wants to use it.

3.  "Relaxation Room" with a game Arcade and iPod style mp3 player where you can select from many different music style libraries such as Jazz, Easy Listening, Ambient, Techno, Rock, Country, etc. and play tunes while you work.

4.  A robust remote/linked File Store we can use to store our indicators, scripts, EA's, eBooks, video clips, and any other type of media, all clearly organized for a shared group.  You will be able to upload and download files as you please.

That's it for now.  Probably a lot more to come.

Craig

-- Edited by bluto at 17:10, 2008-01-03

Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: fibtracer on August 27, 2014, 09:39:45 PM
Noticed he has deleted his biography. All that NASA and I was supermans bodyguard stuff gone forever.

"Maybe he has taken his details and moved them to the new site." Yes one of them actually put that in print on the site. Err. copy and paste!

 Could that be the new site promised since 2008

Now that we officially have our new forum up and running (whew!), I wanted to mention some of the upcoming features currently being developed that I will be adding soon.

1.  An official FXAW WebPage that will serve as the "public face" to our forum group with the primary purpose of describing our group and features/benefits for any prospective new candidate members.  There will be an enrollment requisition form.  The main page will also have all of the bells and whistles typical to a trading site such as embedded Forex related gauges, meters, charts, pairs activities, etc.

2.  I have purchased a robust web conferencing option that will be a free benefit to any member who wants to use it for meetings, training, etc.  Features include white boards, web cams, live interaction, video capture, etc.  This will be offered on a scheduled basis to anyone who wants to use it.

3.  "Relaxation Room" with a game Arcade and iPod style mp3 player where you can select from many different music style libraries such as Jazz, Easy Listening, Ambient, Techno, Rock, Country, etc. and play tunes while you work.

4.  A robust remote/linked File Store we can use to store our indicators, scripts, EA's, eBooks, video clips, and any other type of media, all clearly organized for a shared group.  You will be able to upload and download files as you please.

That's it for now.  Probably a lot more to come.

Craig

-- Edited by bluto at 17:10, 2008-01-03


Be patient, it is coming any day.. that is why he has abandoned his forum, he is working so hard on getting all that stuff set up!
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: FXQueen on August 28, 2014, 04:10:41 PM
I'm not going to his site anymore, I only watch the pricecharts. The moment the system is up and running we will pick it up in the price action  ;D
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: JimDog on August 28, 2014, 04:42:33 PM
I will miss it when it's gone. The excuses they make for him for the lack of just about everything are amazing. :D

I think a lot of this cheerleading is due to people selling membership to their friends (or ex friends) and contacts, they got to keep the faith no matter what. A lot of commission was made. Bit like pyramid or ponzie schemes.
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: fibtracer on August 28, 2014, 06:09:47 PM
I will miss it when it's gone. The excuses they make for him for the lack of just about everything are amazing. :D

I think a lot of this cheerleading is due to people selling membership to their friends (or ex friends) and contacts, they got to keep the faith no matter what. A lot of commission was made. Bit like pyramid or ponzie schemes.

Sell memberships to friends? Can't be a very good friend! If anyone wants to buy my membership you can have it for $100 substantial discount! Get it while it is hot! Clark will rise again with more BS and the cheerleaders will eat it up.
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: aagarcia on August 28, 2014, 07:50:38 PM
I will miss it when it's gone. The excuses they make for him for the lack of just about everything are amazing. :D

I think a lot of this cheerleading is due to people selling membership to their friends (or ex friends) and contacts, they got to keep the faith no matter what. A lot of commission was made. Bit like pyramid or ponzie schemes.

Sell memberships to friends? Can't be a very good friend! If anyone wants to buy my membership you can have it for $100 substantial discount! Get it while it is hot! Clark will rise again with more BS and the cheerleaders will eat it up.
I laid out all the evidence I had against him and forced him to refund me.  He said no at first but after I told him what I had, he relented and gave me a full refund. As mentioned Steve Hopwood is a willing accomplice to this Ponzi scheme.  He knows that Craig is really Clark but won't admit it.
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: odysseus11 on August 28, 2014, 10:23:38 PM
I have a tough time believing Steve Hopwood is intentionally deceiving anyone.

Bluto, I have no idea about, I corresponded with him literally years ago when I paid my membership fee, and as I have reported I used the forum just as I wanted to (which was why I happily paid the fee), and Bluto (I call him that since we dont really know his real name now do we?) DID produce real actual code that worked, lots of it in fact. I used an EA called Jitterbug for a while, I used a bunch of other EAs and manual tools that he coded and his members freely used.....They werent profitable of course, but thats a different issue.

Somehow he went off the reservation with this entropy thing. I have no idea where or why. But his site wasnt ALWAYS a scam, I used to really like it there. And Hopwood likewise has always been a stand-up guy IMO. He has even coded stuff for me a couple times just because I asked him to. He can be a little hot headed, but I really dont believe he would intentionally con anyone for money. Wouldnt do it. thats my opinion, having dealt with him on many forums for years, since way before he even had his own forum. I know him as well as anyone gets to know anyone online. Thats my .02, and I continue to feel very badly for anyone who either paid in since the whole Entropy thing was even mentioned or who is STILL hoping for a useful system. Right now Blutos behavior is beyond a joke, has been for quite some time.
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: aagarcia on August 29, 2014, 02:49:23 PM
I have a tough time believing Steve Hopwood is intentionally deceiving anyone.

Bluto, I have no idea about, I corresponded with him literally years ago when I paid my membership fee, and as I have reported I used the forum just as I wanted to (which was why I happily paid the fee), and Bluto (I call him that since we dont really know his real name now do we?) DID produce real actual code that worked, lots of it in fact. I used an EA called Jitterbug for a while, I used a bunch of other EAs and manual tools that he coded and his members freely used.....They werent profitable of course, but thats a different issue.

Somehow he went off the reservation with this entropy thing. I have no idea where or why. But his site wasnt ALWAYS a scam, I used to really like it there. And Hopwood likewise has always been a stand-up guy IMO. He has even coded stuff for me a couple times just because I asked him to. He can be a little hot headed, but I really dont believe he would intentionally con anyone for money. Wouldnt do it. thats my opinion, having dealt with him on many forums for years, since way before he even had his own forum. I know him as well as anyone gets to know anyone online. Thats my .02, and I continue to feel very badly for anyone who either paid in since the whole Entropy thing was even mentioned or who is STILL hoping for a useful system. Right now Blutos behavior is beyond a joke, has been for quite some time.
Ody, HOPWOOD is involved it was proven!!!  A former moderator who shall remain nameless is the one that gave me the proof as you can see in this thread.  He left Hopwood's forum because he showed Steve the proof and Steve did NOTHING.   He is absolutely a part of the scam- I don't know in how many more ways I can say it.
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: aagarcia on August 29, 2014, 02:50:54 PM
I also want to post this here so more eyes can see. 
 I obtained this from someone who was able to ping Bluto when he was on Hopwood's forum.  Check out the location....Now check out Clark's work address....http://www.zoominfo.com/p/Clark-Farabaugh/2493090 (http://www.zoominfo.com/p/Clark-Farabaugh/2493090)
And with everything else I have.  100% same person.  AND impersonating a NASA employee..... not good.  TAKE HEED Entropy users.  Your money DID NOT go to charity or to a NASA genius.  Don't continue being taken advantage of.  You are only delaying the inevitable.  ACT or be acted upon.  How curious that now all of a sudden Clark (Bluto) is not accepting anymore members. Hmmmm...  STEVE HOPWOOD KNOWS THAT BLUTO IS CLARK AND CONTINUES TO HIDE THAT FACT AS WELL. I guess when you keep getting a cut of the action greed takes over.  This is why I asked on the Global Prime broker site what his affiliation was.  DIRTY!

Ody- read again.  This was shown to Hopwood (who obviously can see it) and again he did NOTHING.  Go back 1 page on this thread to see...
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: fibtracer on August 29, 2014, 11:39:49 PM
Hopwood has to know now, the evidence was put right in front of him but he started out believing all the BS like the rest of us. He may or may not feel terrible about recommending all the people that joined. One thing for sure he is being a weasel but not coming clean and apologizing.   
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: element on August 29, 2014, 11:51:12 PM
What do people think will happen FXAW in the future? Are there any members that are in contact with Bluto?
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: odysseus11 on August 30, 2014, 12:18:45 AM
Im not saying Hopwood isnt involved or complicit in this, I just know that Steve knew Bluto from way back just as I did, and I think if anything he was just miseld like everyone else. Did he take affiliate money? Sure, just like he does from Jeremy and Global Prime. But that doesnt mean he didnt believe in all the Bluto promises, possibly even up to now. I am just saying I dont think he INTENTIONALLY set out to scam anyone (Steve, that is).

I agree he should probably speak up and at least explain why he isnt more vocal and upset with Blutos behavior.
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: JimDog on August 30, 2014, 08:22:18 AM
 SameOld sh*t on FXAW
People complain (and rightly so) and then get a load of abuse. Traderhound32 is interesting, been a member since the day it opened but only made 37 post.  THREE in the last day blasting complainers. Hmmmmmm...... ;)

WoooHooo... Drolands back, course we all know who you are Droland just look at the writing style.
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: fibtracer on September 01, 2014, 12:27:23 AM
Traderhound32 is probably one of Bluto's alternate identities, Droland strikes me as someone with deep psychological problems and is on the verge of snapping.
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: FXQueen on September 01, 2014, 06:12:20 PM
Traderhound32 is probably one of Bluto's alternate identities, Droland strikes me as someone with deep psychological problems and is on the verge of snapping.

Then it's definitely one of Hopwoods alternate identities.
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: firesword on September 08, 2014, 01:38:32 AM
I've been a member of FXAW forum for over 2 years. I can say one thing for sure and that is ,DON'T BOTHER.
Title: Re: Entropy - FXAW
Post by: silence197 on June 15, 2018, 10:28:21 PM
Anyone have updates about this entropy client? The main forum seems stop already and I’m not able/I don’t know how to register
http://117707.activeboard.com/