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Title: General talk about Robin VOL
Post by: fmonera on May 28, 2012, 09:28:11 PM
FOREX Robin VOL 1.6.0 has been released

I am very happy to announce that FOREX Robin VOL 1.6.0 (http://www.robinvol.com) has been launched and is available for purchase. If your are interested, please, visit http://www.robinvol.com to read the details about the EA, pricing, strategy and a deep statistical analysis about the EA.

I want to give special thanks to all the people that helped in the pre-release period :)

New releases and user community are going to be managed through donnaforex forum, so we will create a dedicated section for FOREX Robin VOL.

Being FOREX Robin VOL a joint between Donna and me, there will be a formal announcement by Donna about this release too.

Thanks a lot for all the support :)

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I have been offering my volatility-based EA in exchange for any improvement that increases the profitability (some people already got it). Since then, I have received many offers by PM to sell it for money, and I always denied it.

Recently I have been thinking seriously about releasing it, making a paid customer community where we can discuss and implement new features.

At the moment there are a lot of interesting features are already implemented such as:

 - Various strategies
 - Various volatility formulas that opens the EA posibly to more pairs and tfs
 - Correct position sizing
 - Option to avoid trading on weekends
 - Timed exit configuration
 - Robustness against disconnections and restarts of MT4 with open trades
 - SL and TP display
 - Basket logging for statistical analysis
 - A lot of configuration options
 - ...

The roadmap includes features such as:
 - manual trading
 - secure server-side SL and TP without affecting profitability
 - manual adjusting of tp/sl
 - gap trading / sessions
 - walk forward
 - support / ressistance
 - VSA setups and filters

I asked Donna to be part of this business adventure, release the EA through DonnaForex site and share the profits with her. I owe a lot to her. I believe she is one of the few islands of honesty in this industry and I think this is a good way to return something to her.

I would publish at least two live accounts (20,000 and 3,000 euro) running this EA since more than 6 months.

About pricing, we are still thinking about it, but it will certainly be in the "expensive" pricing zone as I prefer to work with few people and more commited so that I can give a better service. Probably with a monthly fee.

I still need to do some work to set things up before being able to start the business (some code cleanup, security, ... and things like that) but first I wanted to know if you think this could be good for you.

Would you be interested in this product/service?
Do you think it would add value to you?
Title: Re: Releasing fmonera's Robin VOL
Post by: John Henrik on May 28, 2012, 09:38:10 PM
Thumbs up!
Title: Re: Releasing fmonera's Robin VOL
Post by: sponn on May 28, 2012, 09:40:06 PM
Count me in. Where are the stats ;) ?
Title: Re: Releasing fmonera's Robin VOL
Post by: macro on May 28, 2012, 09:42:15 PM
If "security" means EA protection by a mess like guardian than Im for sure not interested...
Title: Re: Releasing fmonera's Robin VOL
Post by: earquake on May 28, 2012, 09:47:46 PM
Absolutely yes, but it also depends on the >=10-Year backtest and live performance (6 months at the time to begin to sell, impressive).

Could you forward more information about various strategies?

I have high expectations about your work.

But please sell it at popular prices!  8)
Title: Re: Releasing fmonera's Robin VOL
Post by: Curtis_S on May 28, 2012, 10:22:44 PM
I am interested, but would rather pay a one-time instead of a monthly fee.
Title: Re: Releasing fmonera's Robin VOL
Post by: fmonera on May 28, 2012, 10:48:43 PM
Absolutely yes, but it also depends on the >=10-Year backtest and live performance (6 months at the time to begin to sell, impressive).

It will have many different options with many different outcomes. I will try to publish backtests for everything.

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Could you forward more information about various strategies?

Here you have a screenshot with some trades of the second strategy (those with green circle). It trades on retracements of the volatility breakouts. By the way, this is another LIVE $1000 account.

(https://donnaforex.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fclip2net.com%2Fclip%2Fm77417%2F1337846276-clip-25kb.png&hash=7305345f82d3880f2104b884ea3664bd)

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I have high expectations about your work.

But please sell it at popular prices!  8)

I prefer to have less customers but focused on generating profits for a long time on medium to big accounts than many customers focused on short term profits.
Title: Releasing fmonera's Robin VOL
Post by: DMFX on May 28, 2012, 11:32:27 PM
Sounds interesting - count me in :)
Title: Re: Releasing fmonera's Robin VOL
Post by: rv73 on May 28, 2012, 11:35:35 PM
I'd like to part of it too. If it involves your normal in-depth analysis and honesty with a product then it sounds great.
Title: Releasing fmonera's Robin VOL
Post by: e1vis on May 28, 2012, 11:44:42 PM
I'd be very interested too
Title: Re: Releasing fmonera's Robin VOL
Post by: pitagora on May 29, 2012, 12:01:42 AM
I have a feeling the price range may probably be higher then most of us can afford. Price however doesn't guarantee less noob clients that expect to get ritch fast and start crying the moment they hit the first dd. With a little bad luck they might very well have overexposed them self in the light of a first success and blow the account a little later. That's how it usualy happens. Then they come here and ask for a refund.

Rather then a high price tag i'd rather see a noob discouring tactic such as offering no refunds.  if you say it's a long term ea whay does a free month tell you about it? What about 6? Hell, you know very well there are great strategies out there with year longs DD
Title: Re: Releasing fmonera's Robin VOL
Post by: bjanssen on May 29, 2012, 12:07:21 AM
offering no refunds

This is a great idea, something more affordable but without the option (and ensuing hassle) of a refund.

I would be very interested in this by the way.  I assume you will provide your usual thorough review fmonera, even if it is your own product?  ;)

BJ
Title: Re: Releasing fmonera's Robin VOL
Post by: glidebomb on May 29, 2012, 12:11:12 AM
I would be very interested to try it although i dont like monthly auto recurring fees ... i think volatility based EAs are well suited for current market conditions with economic crises and unstable economies
Title: Re: Releasing fmonera's Robin VOL
Post by: AtlantaSean on May 29, 2012, 01:08:00 AM
Thank you for considering this fmonera. I think many would be willing to cough up the money for a higher priced EA, myself included, but the recurring monthly fees are a big turn off. Does that have something to do with the security aspect?
Title: Re: Releasing fmonera's Robin VOL
Post by: Star on May 29, 2012, 01:31:28 AM
I would be interested .Hopefully this ea would have a good complimentary strategy to trade together with FGB in the same account.
Title: Re: Releasing fmonera's Robin VOL
Post by: leyuyeoh on May 29, 2012, 02:26:27 AM
I'm interested too. Count me in!
Title: Re: Releasing fmonera's Robin VOL
Post by: Bigsteve on May 29, 2012, 02:30:48 AM
Absolutely yes, but it also depends on the >=10-Year backtest and live performance (6 months at the time to begin to sell, impressive).

It will have many different options with many different outcomes. I will try to publish backtests for everything.

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Could you forward more information about various strategies?

Here you have a screenshot with some trades of the second strategy (those with green circle). It trades on retracements of the volatility breakouts. By the way, this is another LIVE $1000 account.

(https://donnaforex.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fclip2net.com%2Fclip%2Fm77417%2F1337846276-clip-25kb.png&hash=7305345f82d3880f2104b884ea3664bd)

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I have high expectations about your work.

But please sell it at popular prices!  8)

I prefer to have less customers but focused on generating profits for a long time on medium to big accounts than many customers focused on short term profits.
I'm interested. But the account size is a concern, not that I am without big accounts because I have them. As long as this isn't grid basket trader. So if it is a straight in and out trader, and can make its mind up without grid baskets or any mumbo jumbo, then yes I am very interested because of your reputation here. If it is suitable with US brokers it would be a big plus because we have broker problems here, with more on the way
Title: Re: Releasing fmonera's Robin VOL
Post by: Ezi-FX on May 29, 2012, 02:32:57 AM
lets see the stats!!
Title: Re: Releasing fmonera's Robin VOL
Post by: fxtrader1234 on May 29, 2012, 02:38:11 AM
I'm interested!
Title: Re: Releasing fmonera's Robin VOL
Post by: websmith on May 29, 2012, 02:41:14 AM
I'm interested.
Title: Re: Releasing fmonera's Robin VOL
Post by: cabash on May 29, 2012, 02:54:41 AM
Very Keen
Title: Releasing fmonera's Robin VOL
Post by: 6y588 on May 29, 2012, 02:56:52 AM
Growthbot offers basic and power editions. So, why don't you offer a similar plan?

There are some users that may want the enhanced version. And as their expectations are higher, they should be charged a recurring fee. But there are also less demanding customers, that just want a small but constant profit from the EA. This group should not have to pay for services that they don't need. Also, the basic version should have fewer parameters and less expensive.

Title: Re: Releasing fmonera's Robin VOL
Post by: Rico on May 29, 2012, 03:43:51 AM
If "security" means EA protection by a mess like guardian than Im for sure not interested...

Yes, i'd be interested - but what macro said.
Title: Re: Releasing fmonera's Robin VOL
Post by: Far East Man on May 29, 2012, 03:44:17 AM
Interested. But just curious how SL can be so tight. According to your picture, the SL looks extremely tight. Does it take so many small losses and recover with bigger winners?

Also, the picture is so beautifully trending down, but I would like to see how it reacts in non-trending market. Relatively sufficient length of backtest would be helpful as well.
Title: Re: Releasing fmonera's Robin VOL
Post by: Makeda on May 29, 2012, 06:06:11 AM
I trust that you and Donna would set a fair price to keep your product running.   :) I am not sure a higher price will keep the high maintenance whining to a minimum though?   I assume you would have a relatively low number of subscribers which would help ensure the value of a higher priced EA and it's ongoing support.  I would be interested in hearing more.
Title: Re: Releasing fmonera's Robin VOL
Post by: deathlord on May 29, 2012, 06:13:09 AM
Well, give us some numbers, and then we can talk  ;D
Title: Re: Releasing fmonera's Robin VOL
Post by: cyberryder on May 29, 2012, 06:43:01 AM
for now i only see a question without facts. How could i be interested?  ;)

There will be the hidden rules applying that applies to every EA to gain interest.

Personally i don't like recurring payments. So it has to be a very good EA i'm really trading live to be worth it to support dev + support with montly fees.

It would surely make DFX an EA vendor, so it's inevitable that the judgement is no more independent. So personally i would look in a another forum about this EA to judge on.
Title: Re: Releasing fmonera's Robin VOL
Post by: fx.mstr on May 29, 2012, 06:55:21 AM
Sounds interesting.
Title: Re: Releasing fmonera's Robin VOL
Post by: fxbabe on May 29, 2012, 07:37:29 AM
I am a little surprise to learn about this on the one hand you don't want to charge yet now you are going to charge a very expensive EA with monthly fee that probably no one would be able to affort it yet you say this is in response to the many request you receive on your PM to sell. 

This just doesn't add up.  If you need money, just come out and say it otherwise it buffer us to wonder what is the real motive behind this.  Is it the expensive monthly fee or is it a really good EA that cause our jaws to drop or is it the many PM you receive asking you to sell yet no one could afford it... 

Also, why make us as guinea pig for beta testing and developing this unfinished EA and making use pay?  Is this EA needed so much changes every month in order to justify your monthly fee?  I think we all should entitle to the source code for doing this as a favor.
Title: Re: Releasing fmonera's Robin VOL
Post by: zeromad on May 29, 2012, 07:59:22 AM
Sounds interesting. Waiting for some stats and your great explanations on strategy and so on.
Title: Re: Releasing fmonera's Robin VOL
Post by: websmith on May 29, 2012, 08:07:14 AM
Fmonera, if your EA is better than FGB personally I can buy it for $250 - $500 and maybe $25-$50 per year for updates.
Title: Re: Releasing fmonera's Robin VOL
Post by: AtlantaSean on May 29, 2012, 08:09:15 AM
Flat fee please. No recurring payment!!!
Title: Re: Releasing fmonera's Robin VOL
Post by: Tradenow on May 29, 2012, 08:29:41 AM
i am also interested. flat fee would be appreciated with a yearly payment to be up to date. similiar to forexrealprofit ea for example.

so count me in  ;)
Title: Re: Releasing fmonera's Robin VOL
Post by: informer on May 29, 2012, 08:35:09 AM
Im intrested
Title: Re: Releasing fmonera's Robin VOL
Post by: atomico on May 29, 2012, 09:44:27 AM

(https://donnaforex.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fclip2net.com%2Fclip%2Fm77417%2F1337846276-clip-25kb.png&hash=7305345f82d3880f2104b884ea3664bd)


the RISK/REWARD showing in this picture is very good...

i am interest, but more info are welcome...

wait for upgrade...
Title: Re: Releasing fmonera's Robin VOL
Post by: fmonera on May 29, 2012, 10:16:11 AM

(https://donnaforex.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fclip2net.com%2Fclip%2Fm77417%2F1337846276-clip-25kb.png&hash=7305345f82d3880f2104b884ea3664bd)


the RISK/REWARD showing in this picture is very good...

i am interest, but more info are welcome...

wait for upgrade...

Hello Atomico,

The thing is that I still didn't decided to release it. With this thread I just want to know if there is enough interest on it, and more important the kind of interest and the kind of objections.

Both strategies integrates into the same trade management. The second strategy multiplies the quality of the EA (Profit/DD%) by rougly 6 times (it depends on many things).

If this EA is finally released, I will post detailed backtests and statistical analysis.
Title: Re: Releasing fmonera's Robin VOL
Post by: Philipe on May 29, 2012, 10:25:55 AM
Hello Fmonera,

Are you already live with this Robin ea you have created,and if so ,what are the results ?

regards,
Philipe
Title: Re: Releasing fmonera's Robin VOL
Post by: Pipstar on May 29, 2012, 10:34:50 AM
Like many other Donna Forex members, I am also very interested.
Title: Re: Releasing fmonera's Robin VOL
Post by: cb75 on May 29, 2012, 10:36:20 AM
 Interested. Depending on price and "ongoing fees", of course.
Title: Re: Releasing fmonera's Robin VOL
Post by: Philipe on May 29, 2012, 10:37:35 AM
I think that its better to sell the ea at a low price,(around 100-200 euro )and have a yearly fee .

regards ,
Philipe
Title: Re: Releasing fmonera's Robin VOL
Post by: fmonera on May 29, 2012, 10:45:10 AM
Hello Fmonera,

Are you already live with this Robin ea you have created,and if so ,what are the results ?

regards,
Philipe

Yes. I will publish a 20,000 euro account and a 3,000 euro account. In fact, I have it on more accounts with different configurations (5,000, 1000, 500, 500, 1200, 300, 600, 4000), but I have abused a lot those accounts to be meaningful for you :)

Results depend on the risk. The 3,000 euro account for example earned around 28% in 6 months with 8% drawdown.

I know a lot of people like to see vendors risking it's own money on it's EAs. If the EA is released, I will publish those accounts to demonstrate my comitment and that there are no important bugs.

Even when I will show you the biggest real account I saw in a vendor as far as I remember, in my oppinion for this EA the live results are only important to show that there are no important bugs in the code and that I am commited to make it work.

The real goal is to build a small community and earn money with the strategies implemented for many years.
Title: Releasing fmonera's Robin VOL
Post by: deathlord on May 29, 2012, 10:48:01 AM

(https://donnaforex.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fclip2net.com%2Fclip%2Fm77417%2F1337846276-clip-25kb.png&hash=7305345f82d3880f2104b884ea3664bd)


the RISK/REWARD showing in this picture is very good...

i am interest, but more info are welcome...

wait for upgrade...

Hello Atomico,

The thing is that I still didn't decided to release it. With this thread I just want to know if there is enough interest on it, and more important the kind of interest and the kind of objections.

Both strategies integrates into the same trade management. The second strategy multiplies the quality of the EA (Profit/DD%) by rougly 6 times (it depends on many things).

If this EA is finally released, I will post detailed backtests and statistical analysis.
It sounds interesting, but I am sure you understand, that without hard facts it is impossible to predict if it is really interesting or not. The background of this forum and the resulting leap of faith don't change that. At the end of the day it is a business decision for all of us.

As far as I have followed your insinuations in other thread, this seems to be based on FGB, so it might qualify as a replacement. But that also means, that it might have similar drawdown phases, and that the price model needs to reflect the characteristics of the EA.

So until we get the details, it is impossible to tell what you mean by saying "rather expensive" and if 200 $ or 500 $ would be an appropriate price for the EA. For example I can hardly imagine a FGB-like EA under a similar license model like Forex Envy, because in a drawdown phase the monthly fees might not be covered for many months, no matter how profitable the EA might be after several years.

Bottom line: we want infos :)
Title: Re: Releasing fmonera's Robin VOL
Post by: fmonera on May 29, 2012, 11:01:06 AM
the RISK/REWARD showing in this picture is very good...

i am interest, but more info are welcome...

wait for upgrade...

Hello Atomico,

The thing is that I still didn't decided to release it. With this thread I just want to know if there is enough interest on it, and more important the kind of interest and the kind of objections.

Both strategies integrates into the same trade management. The second strategy multiplies the quality of the EA (Profit/DD%) by rougly 6 times (it depends on many things).

If this EA is finally released, I will post detailed backtests and statistical analysis.
It sounds interesting, but I am sure you understand, that without hard facts it is impossible to predict if it is really interesting or not. The background of this forum and the resulting leap of faith don't change that. At the end of the day it is a business decision for all of us.

As far as I have followed your insinuations in other thread, this seems to be based on FGB, so it might qualify as a replacement. But that also means, that it might have similar drawdown phases, and that the price model needs to reflect the characteristics of the EA.

So until we get the details, it is impossible to tell what you mean by saying "rather expensive" and if 200 $ or 500 $ would be an appropriate price for the EA. For example I can hardly imagine a FGB-like EA under a similar license model like Forex Envy, because in a drawdown phase the monthly fees might not be covered for many months, no matter how profitable the EA might be after several years.

Bottom line: we want infos :)

Sure. If it goes to the commercial phase obviously you will have all this info.
Title: Re: Releasing fmonera's Robin VOL
Post by: dkmillion on May 29, 2012, 11:09:25 AM
I am interested but of cause we need more information.
Title: Re: Releasing fmonera's Robin VOL
Post by: rendytony on May 29, 2012, 11:42:58 AM
Hi,
     I would also be extremely interested
Title: Re: Releasing fmonera's Robin VOL
Post by: fulltimetrader on May 29, 2012, 11:58:54 AM
Yes I am interested Fmonera, best wishes
Title: Re: Releasing fmonera's Robin VOL
Post by: Curtis_S on May 29, 2012, 12:20:24 PM
Why not to distribute an EA:

- Workload increase: You have to answer many e-mails, solve user installation problems and payment problems and give individual instructions regarding the use of the EA. You will need to adapt the EA to those odd cases where a certain VPS or broker is not compatible with it.

- Some traders will loose money: There are still those traders that will turn off an EA after some DD before it has reached the worst case DD and restart it after it reached a new high, thus loosing money and blaming you and your product ("I can't believe I again spent another 500 USD for an EA that has't made profit.")

- You will feel responsible/some guilt towards unsofisticated traders that lost money with your EA - although the loss was the traders fault (too high risk or turning off after DD). And in the end the market will change so much that profitability is 0 anyway.

- Someone who lost money will find out where you live and show up there and confront you with his grief or do worse.

- Someone might have the idea that the strategy or some code is copyrighted by himself.

We can still help people by pointing them to the already existing volatility breakout EAs: GB and the wealth of information in the thread (also Teyacanani, Atinalla FE(free)).
Title: Re: Releasing fmonera's Robin VOL
Post by: bbclenet on May 29, 2012, 12:37:16 PM
   I rarely post anything but reads a lot.....With all fmonera's   background of knowledge  , I am sure I will jump on the boat he is launching and will not regret it .He simply is one of the very few who really brings something clear ,clever ,and even bright to this forum.....I think that this endeavour should not be cheap so as to stay limited to a limited array of traders who :
-Don t dream to make a zillion with 250usd on an oanda account
-know the real value of things...I think very few people here know the true value of a real money maker system ,of the quality that some intitutionals use ...you re speaking of hundreds of dollars.....I find this laughable....(of course if this EA is as brigth as his creator )
-have a sizeable account at the best brokers
-Want to establish a closed community to help each other improving the EA , and all other stuff related to it .I am already part of something like that and it has ben BRILLIANT
    OK this is just my piece of advice....I just hope I will not be disappointed because at the very last moment fmonera decides to keep it for himself.....Anyway if he shares I hope he will let the doors open a very short time for a very limited number of people and then shut them FOREVER.....
Title: Re: Releasing fmonera's Robin VOL
Post by: kaltrax on May 29, 2012, 12:56:28 PM
I'm interested , please count on me ;).
Title: Re: Releasing fmonera's Robin VOL
Post by: biedermeier on May 29, 2012, 01:28:40 PM
I'm interested for sure.
Title: Re: Releasing fmonera's Robin VOL
Post by: robl45 on May 29, 2012, 01:44:10 PM
amazing, everyone complained and complained that growthbot loses its trades and someone offers a version that won't lose its trades and people are still whining and complaining that its too expensive, they want backtests, they want analysis etc.
Title: Re: Releasing fmonera's Robin VOL
Post by: zeromad on May 29, 2012, 01:56:45 PM
amazing, everyone complained and complained that growthbot loses its trades and someone offers a version that won't lose its trades and people are still whining and complaining that its too expensive, they want backtests, they want analysis etc.

If it really trades like GB it is definitely worth a couple of bucks. ;)

But so far I read that it is combined of different strategies and lot of work. Lets wait and see if fmonera wants to share it. If so he will definitely have few people here that will appreciate it and go for the long run profitability.
Title: Re: Re: Releasing fmonera's Robin VOL
Post by: earquake on May 29, 2012, 02:23:00 PM
amazing, everyone complained and complained that growthbot loses its trades and someone offers a version that won't lose its trades and people are still whining and complaining that its too expensive, they want backtests, they want analysis etc.

Yes, I think I am irresponsible if I buy any EA without some tests that confirms the vendor's words. And yes, if any vendor ask for the pricing range I want the most reasonable price.

For example Asirikuy membership includes several long term profitable EAs, the most valuable education for long term profitability, the analysis suite, asirikuy high quality data, community and more. This is the pricing for all:

" The only way to join is by submitting a short message using the form below describing why you want to join the community and what you expect from Asirikuy. Once I personally read and review your submission you will be able to join at a rate of 241 USD for the first year and then 161 USD for each year after that (you will receive the link to pay via paypal via email).. Note that this requirement is only to make sure that you will find what you are looking for inside Asirikuy, if the website is not in line with your expectations I will let you know so that you do not join unecessarily.".

Quite reasonable, isn't it?

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Title: Re: Releasing fmonera's Robin VOL
Post by: Star on May 29, 2012, 02:36:03 PM
   
-Want to establish a closed community to help each other improving the EA , and all other stuff related to it .I am already part of something like that and it has ben BRILLIANT
    OK this is just my piece of advice....I just hope I will not be disappointed because at the very last moment fmonera decides to keep it for himself.....Anyway if he shares I hope he will let the doors open a very short time for a very limited number of people and then shut them FOREVER.....


I like this idea about opening the door for a limited time to a group of serious traders that appreciate Fmonera`s work and then shutting them Forever.
Title: Re: Releasing fmonera's Robin VOL
Post by: AtlantaSean on May 29, 2012, 03:27:07 PM
Everybody needs to think about what this is worth. No one knows more about the profitable FGB than fmonera. His approach to analysis is fantastic and it takes hours and hours of deep study to improve an already good system. On my own hunt for programmers to tweak this, either they or myself balked for one reason or another. You should all be honored that he offers this in a gesture for money. $1000 - $2000 would be a fair price as long as their are no BS monthly or yearly fees.
Title: Releasing fmonera's Robin VOL
Post by: deathlord on May 29, 2012, 03:56:50 PM
While I do agree with your general opinion, I don't think we have to be honored about anything. No offense against fmonera, I love his analysis' and appreciate everything he does. But that doesn't affect my decision of buying stuff. Haven't we all learned from the hype that was built around blackbelt ea? It was stylized as the holy grail of donnaforex, and unfortunately it started its journey in drawdown. Bad luck ... Time will tell the rest of the story.

Don't turn this into another holy grail that is destined to disappoint. Fmonera himself said that he knows he needs to bring hard facts before we can make any decision. And if someone knows what data to provide, then it is him. But please stop blaming people that ask questions that need to be asked. Once we know the facts, once we know what was improved compared to FGB, we can start talking about numbers.

Right now there is no grounds for any numbers, not for $ 100 or $ 1000 or maybe $ 2000. We simply don't know what we are bidding on.
Title: Re: Releasing fmonera's Robin VOL
Post by: AtlantaSean on May 29, 2012, 04:07:52 PM
You're comparing apples to oranges deathlord. Go find a programmer who knows as much about FGB as fmonera to tweak the source code and improve the strategy and see what they are charging. Honored.
Title: Re: Releasing fmonera's Robin VOL
Post by: fmonera on May 29, 2012, 04:09:39 PM
Right now there is no grounds for any numbers, not for $ 100 or $ 1000 or maybe $ 2000. We simply don't know what we are bidding on.

You are right Deathlord. You haven't got enough information to take a buying decission. I just want to know if people would be interested in this. Nothing else.

Once the business is launched, I will give you all the information needed to do a rational decission. And this will be all the information I would need to buy such a product/service: backtests / montecarlo, deep analysis of each strategy, forward/backward comparisons, ...
Title: Re: Releasing fmonera's Robin VOL
Post by: Bigsteve on May 29, 2012, 04:09:48 PM
I think its getting off track of the intended purpose here
First I would like to recomend that any link to purchase initially not be posted publicly to this thread. This keeps newbies and dealer Jakes outside by the curb for a while. Second please keep track of members names and send them notice and link via messages rather than in public. I think it is imperative to at first keep tire kickers at the car dealership or the thread will go chaos with people joining just to jump in and all very distracting. So send me a message when available otherwise I am not checking this thread because I know I can wait it out and need only a simple one page text describing the strategy when it does become available.
Title: Releasing fmonera's Robin VOL
Post by: deathlord on May 29, 2012, 04:10:59 PM
I am comparing nothing with anything, I am just not jumping onto conclusions, because I don't know what the EA actually does.
Title: Re: Releasing fmonera's Robin VOL
Post by: rayong on May 29, 2012, 04:23:52 PM
EAs coming from credible sources, i.e. people who know what they are doing are rare and far between.  Yes interested here.
Title: Re: Releasing fmonera's Robin VOL
Post by: Zuttasoxx on May 29, 2012, 04:29:29 PM
Well fmonera.. I think we can conclude that there will be lot's of interest for this EA depending on how much will be asked.

Seeing as you are excited about this ea and we all know you are only excited about safe eas with good profits vs drawdowns. Then we can assume it will be good.

As I understand you want more committed and understanding guys rather then people who just wants a quick buck and scream for support/refund whenever there is a normal drawdown.

Imo price won't filter out morons, since you will just be targeting people who trade bigger balance. What will work is of course a no refund policy. The monthly fee is also normally no problem as long as the ea can cover the target population's profit with that ea.

Imo your EA will suit high balance traders more. It will have low drawdown with safe profits. And we all know small balance traders want results fast..

All food for thought
Title: Re: Releasing fmonera's Robin VOL
Post by: simondav on May 29, 2012, 04:36:15 PM
definitely very interested
Title: Re: Releasing fmonera's Robin VOL
Post by: earquake on May 29, 2012, 04:53:01 PM
I strongly agree with deathlord and Zuttasoxx. No doubts about the professionalism of fmonera (I would know as much as him) but I work with facts and not feelings.

I reiterate the idea that Asirikuy to me is the reference online community at both analysis and development of EAs. I am proud to belong to that community and access to that information. Surely Daniel Fernandez, the creator of Asirikuy, get good income in addition to the improvements and good ideas that are developed together.

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Title: Re: Releasing fmonera's Robin VOL
Post by: Samo on May 29, 2012, 04:53:42 PM
In releasing fmonera's Robin VOL the second step was made before the first one. A LOT of people will buy it if the ea has good statistics. So, the first step are the robot`s  stats, if they are nice, the interest will come.
Title: Re: Releasing fmonera's Robin VOL
Post by: user456 on May 29, 2012, 05:34:29 PM
probably interested
Title: Re: Releasing fmonera's Robin VOL
Post by: he3117 on May 29, 2012, 05:40:46 PM
very interested
Title: Re: Releasing fmonera's Robin VOL
Post by: jubal on May 29, 2012, 05:51:24 PM
any EA that can make 28% in 6 months with 8% DD would attract attention. But coming from a respected and knowledgeable member like Fmonera it will attract a lot of attention. I'm interested and like the idea of a "club" with limited membership. Also prefer monthly/yearly sub rather than a big one off price. Bear in mind all serious traders dont necessarily have big accounts and it would be better to make it accessable to all. Also would go down the "No refund" route and willing to trust that Fmonera can deliver a profitable system.
Title: Re: Releasing fmonera's Robin VOL
Post by: mauricejac on May 29, 2012, 07:11:37 PM
Very very interested! ;)
Title: Re: Releasing fmonera's Robin VOL
Post by: Chris85 on May 29, 2012, 07:20:02 PM
Interesting...

Is this the same robot on his myfxbook? theres 2 Robin robot there.
Title: Re: Releasing fmonera's Robin VOL
Post by: rb62 on May 29, 2012, 07:36:21 PM
Yes, I'm also interested.
Title: Re: Releasing fmonera's Robin VOL
Post by: fmonera on May 29, 2012, 08:08:20 PM
Interesting...

Is this the same robot on his myfxbook? theres 2 Robin robot there.

Yes.
Title: Re: Releasing fmonera's Robin VOL
Post by: Trader@Home on May 29, 2012, 09:49:48 PM
Looking forward to the EA and live stats. Good to know members taking this to the next level. :D
Title: Re: Releasing fmonera's Robin VOL
Post by: eaonly on May 29, 2012, 10:40:27 PM
I knew that this will happen sooner or later. I have nothing against fmonera, he seems a knowledgeable person that know a lot about forex trading, but was so obvious that he is building reputation on this forum for this moment. Hmmmmmmmmmm...

And why is this thread in the commercial (paid) Expert Advisor section since it is NOT a commercial EA. Its place is in General Trading Discussion or maybe Member EA development & ideas. No further comments.

Regards.
Title: Re: Releasing fmonera's Robin VOL
Post by: ninjaturtle on May 29, 2012, 10:53:16 PM
Interesting...

Is this the same robot on his myfxbook? theres 2 Robin robot there.

Yes.

then lets put it out in the open and quit this play-acting.
here are the systems on myfxbook.
http://www.myfxbook.com/members/fmonera
Title: Re: Releasing fmonera's Robin VOL
Post by: robl45 on May 29, 2012, 11:52:36 PM
Wow, total fail!!!

I knew that this will happen sooner or later. I have nothing against fmonera, he seems a knowledgeable person that know a lot about forex trading, but was so obvious that he is building reputation on this forum for this moment. Hmmmmmmmmmm...

And why is this thread in the commercial (paid) Expert Advisor section since it is NOT a commercial EA. Its place is in General Trading Discussion or maybe Member EA development & ideas. No further comments.

Regards.
Title: Releasing fmonera's Robin VOL
Post by: IFFTrader on May 30, 2012, 12:15:36 AM
I'm interested. Keep me in the loop.
Title: Re: Releasing fmonera's Robin VOL
Post by: Bigsteve on May 30, 2012, 01:09:16 AM

I am looking forward to more information in the hopes that hopefully we have something that works and will not burn out before it is updated
Title: Re: Releasing fmonera's Robin VOL
Post by: intrader on May 30, 2012, 01:13:51 AM
Am interested

Cheers

Red
Title: Re: Releasing fmonera's Robin VOL
Post by: bjanssen on May 30, 2012, 01:39:53 AM
I knew that this will happen sooner or later. I have nothing against fmonera, he seems a knowledgeable person that know a lot about forex trading, but was so obvious that he is building reputation on this forum for this moment. Hmmmmmmmmmm...

And why is this thread in the commercial (paid) Expert Advisor section since it is NOT a commercial EA. Its place is in General Trading Discussion or maybe Member EA development & ideas. No further comments.

Regards.

How are you the only vendor that gets away with posting this bile in everyone else's threads?  You consistently try to subtly undermine other sellers, or in this case just an expression of interest!  Focus on your own product in your own thread.

BJ
Title: Re: Releasing fmonera's Robin VOL
Post by: robl45 on May 30, 2012, 01:52:39 AM
I knew that this will happen sooner or later. I have nothing against fmonera, he seems a knowledgeable person that know a lot about forex trading, but was so obvious that he is building reputation on this forum for this moment. Hmmmmmmmmmm...

And why is this thread in the commercial (paid) Expert Advisor section since it is NOT a commercial EA. Its place is in General Trading Discussion or maybe Member EA development & ideas. No further comments.

Regards.

How are you the only vendor that gets away with posting this bile in everyone else's threads?  You consistently try to subtly undermine other sellers, or in this case just an expression of interest!  Focus on your own product in your own thread.

BJ

no crap,  how they get away with it is beyond me.
Title: Re: Releasing fmonera's Robin VOL
Post by: Rico on May 30, 2012, 02:59:21 AM

How are you the only vendor that gets away with posting this bile in everyone else's threads?  You consistently try to subtly undermine other sellers, or in this case just an expression of interest!  Focus on your own product in your own thread.


the comments about where this thread should be are fair enough. it's not a commercial EA, and other threads have been moved because of this.

if we ask, 'would anyone else be allowed to ask for EOIs in this section?', the answer is probably 'no.'

maybe there should be a separate section for this?
Title: Re: Releasing fmonera's Robin VOL
Post by: deathlord on May 30, 2012, 03:21:36 AM
Why isn't this a commercial EA, when fmonera is about to start a business with it? Based on the intentions it is right where it belongs, because once finished the thread would have to be moved here. Of course it could be temporarily moved somewhere else until the business is established, but for whose benefit would that be exactly? Putting the thread here based on the intentions is honest.
Title: Releasing fmonera's Robin VOL
Post by: e1vis on May 30, 2012, 04:09:29 AM
Why isn't this a commercial EA, when fmonera is about to start a business with it? Based on the intentions it is right where it belongs, because once finished the thread would have to be moved here. Of course it could be temporarily moved somewhere else until the business is established, but for whose benefit would that be exactly? Putting the thread here based on the intentions is honest.

+1
Title: Re: Releasing fmonera's Robin VOL
Post by: odysseus11 on May 30, 2012, 04:55:12 AM
I would be totally interested in seeing what Monera offers up.
For sure he has been invaluable as a member and posted a huge breadth of information, analysis and opinion freely for us  all, and I for one am grateful. But if he moves into this new situation of being a vendor, the challenges change and shift. I am sure he is up to the task if he wishes to be. Best of luck, whatever you roll out I'm sure it will be top notch and well worth everyones consideration!

Title: Re: Releasing fmonera's Robin VOL
Post by: fmonera on May 30, 2012, 06:42:43 AM

How are you the only vendor that gets away with posting this bile in everyone else's threads?  You consistently try to subtly undermine other sellers, or in this case just an expression of interest!  Focus on your own product in your own thread.


the comments about where this thread should be are fair enough. it's not a commercial EA, and other threads have been moved because of this.

if we ask, 'would anyone else be allowed to ask for EOIs in this section?', the answer is probably 'no.'

maybe there should be a separate section for this?

I had the same question and before posting, I asked Donna directly where to put it. She recomended me to put it here.
Title: Re: Releasing fmonera's Robin VOL
Post by: donnaforex on May 30, 2012, 12:17:38 PM
Fmonera's EA is a potential commercial EA, not a freebie and so belongs in the commercial section. It is also going to be a 'forum' EA so since it will affect our forum environment considerably upon release it was important to place the topic where it will be most read AND be appropriate to the topic.

EAOnly - take any issues you have privately to me please. I continue to get complaints about you all over the place and as i already said to you in the past, this is causing problems now. I really don't want to see any more posts from you slating other sellers, whether that seller be us on this site, or any seller on any topic, this is the last time i'm going to write this. As far fmonera building a reputation, i'd say that is a smart thing to do, and a thing that many people have done on this forum who started out as simple traders but became developers at various points. You don't have exclusive rights to the 'building up a reputation on a forum' tactic. All our moderators work very hard on the forum here and receive very little, or nothing, in return. I'd support any of our moderators starting a new venture as far as i could for this reason as long as i know the venture is genuine and not a scam. Likewise for our regular posters and contributors on here - you give something to our community and we give back in return, why not? Hopefully we can all help one another and work towards the goal of developing profitable robots?

Thanks everyone for your feedback so far, it's very helpful... good and bad.
Title: Re: Releasing fmonera's Robin VOL
Post by: jshear on May 30, 2012, 02:54:39 PM
I agree Fmonera should have his topic hear. I don't see why out of his hard work and testing he shouldn't be allowed to see his product!! Keep up the good work Fmonera you deserve it!!


PS Ea only has gone too far!!



Cheers

Jeff ;)
Title: Re: Releasing fmonera's Robin VOL
Post by: Byte on May 31, 2012, 01:23:02 AM
I am at least curious to see some more info on the EA. Generally speaking - based on the expertise and the basic mindset towards autotrading shown by fmonera - I am interested in the EA.
Title: Re: Releasing fmonera's Robin VOL
Post by: SquareRoot on May 31, 2012, 01:33:43 AM
Yes ... I would be very interested in joining a quality EA community. I prefer a one time price with no "guardian type" security. Thanks for making us this offer.
Title: Re: Releasing fmonera's Robin VOL
Post by: adeptus on May 31, 2012, 03:27:17 AM
I'm interested.

@fmonera: can you make the history on myfxbook public?
Title: Re: Releasing fmonera's Robin VOL
Post by: banker on May 31, 2012, 03:57:22 PM
It would be appreciated if you could count me in.  I am willing to pay up to even more than 100 dollars per month if I can make sure Robin is more profitable than FGB relative to max dd without having broker dependency although it depends on how many live accounts are allowed to run the bot...
Title: Re: Releasing fmonera's Robin VOL
Post by: fmonera on May 31, 2012, 04:10:09 PM
It would be appreciated if you could count me in.  I am willing to pay up to even more than 100 dollars per month if I can make sure Robin is more profitable than FGB relative to max dd without having broker dependency although it depends on how many live accounts are allowed to run the bot...

Hello Banker, I'm quite sure you will like it then. But I prefer not to talk about performance at this stage. Hype is something I definitely do not want. I will publish enough statistics and information to take a rational decission.
Title: Re: Releasing fmonera's Robin VOL
Post by: hien on May 31, 2012, 04:23:32 PM
I am very much interested.
Title: Re: Releasing fmonera's Robin VOL
Post by: muzzamcc on May 31, 2012, 04:31:08 PM
Interested for sure, dependent on price being reasonable. Seems you would have alot of customers here already. Knowing how good FGB already is and what you have done to improve upon it, I can't wait. Would be great to have the ability to "customise" FGB a little more. Hopefully your version can do this.
Title: Re: Releasing fmonera's Robin VOL
Post by: mokh on May 31, 2012, 04:35:27 PM
Very much interested too :)
Title: Re: Releasing fmonera's Robin VOL
Post by: banker on May 31, 2012, 04:43:00 PM
fmonera, many thanks.  I would like to see some statistics at some point of time in near future, but I can even decide based only on your historical insights and reputations ;)  I remember your integrity made me more reassured when you had some issue with your Pepperstone account (which turned out not to be a Pepperstone's fault if I remember correctly).  Apologies for the off-topic anyway.


It would be appreciated if you could count me in.  I am willing to pay up to even more than 100 dollars per month if I can make sure Robin is more profitable than FGB relative to max dd without having broker dependency although it depends on how many live accounts are allowed to run the bot...

Hello Banker, I'm quite sure you will like it then. But I prefer not to talk about performance at this stage. Hype is something I definitely do not want. I will publish enough statistics and information to take a rational decission.
Title: Re: Releasing fmonera's Robin VOL
Post by: jubal on May 31, 2012, 05:33:49 PM
Can I ask if this is a hybrid FGB, and does it need the user to own original FGB?
Title: Re: Releasing fmonera's Robin VOL
Post by: fmonera on May 31, 2012, 05:49:38 PM
Can I ask if this is a hybrid FGB, and does it need the user to own original FGB?

It is a standalone independent EA without external dependences.
Title: Re: Releasing fmonera's Robin VOL
Post by: Anchorpoint on May 31, 2012, 08:15:13 PM
Excellent, looking forward to some deep-fmonera statistics do make an informed logical decision free of b-s and hype !  ;)
Title: Re: Releasing fmonera's Robin VOL
Post by: brusch on May 31, 2012, 09:51:52 PM
Would be like a nobrain decision not to write a little sentence here!

So many of us deserve (or will deserve) a lot to fmonera involvement ,attitude,work  and knowledge.
At least, I'm happy not having decided to give up with FGB, after having learned the hard way and stick to what he recommended.

So yes,for sure interested even if we are not so rich people, most of us I guess, after having tried to beat the market fo a while.

Respect to the teachers and faith in their good intentions for our little community.
Title: Releasing fmonera's Robin VOL
Post by: biedermeier on May 31, 2012, 10:06:06 PM
I have no doubts about your EA, but to get a more neutral or independent look at it perhaps you could ask Eurosmarter to do a review of it?


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Title: Re: Releasing fmonera's Robin VOL
Post by: Jake on May 31, 2012, 11:02:32 PM
Given fmonera's reputation and obvious knowledge and skill levels, I am interested in this EA.  Apart from that, I want to divert slightly into the field of payment approaches to EAs.  While I can understand from a purchaser perspective the desire to pay once for a lifetime of reward, it makes more sense psychologically to me for the vendor to require an upfront fee and then a monthly, quarterly or annual subscription. Otherwise, there is nothing in it for them from a financial perspective to remain involved in upgrading the EA for those who paid a one off fee.  While fmonera clearly has strong ethical standards and would keep his involvement just from moral conviction, I would still want him to be receiving an ongoing payment.  Of course, as a purchaser, the lower both the initial outlay and the ongoing fee are the better, but I feel more sure that a vendor is going to stick around if there is other than a moral obligation on their part.  Given the low success rate of most EAs, paying an ongoing fee for a successful one is a sensible business decision.
Title: Re: Releasing fmonera's Robin VOL
Post by: reinerh on May 31, 2012, 11:18:28 PM
Can I ask if this is a hybrid FGB, and does it need the user to own original FGB?

It is a standalone independent EA without external dependences.

and i am sure it wont loose connection to its open trades :)

what a joke, and fgb never fixed that what moorons.

so count me in as well, i am saving my marbles already.

keep up the good work...............
Title: Re: Releasing fmonera's Robin VOL
Post by: pep501 on June 01, 2012, 01:47:37 AM
This really looks great fmonera, I would love to have a chance to be apart of your EA community. Please tell us more, like how soon you will release?
Thank you and congrats to you fmonera.
Title: Re: Releasing fmonera's Robin VOL
Post by: forexforever on June 01, 2012, 06:59:45 AM

Sorry I have no internet the last 6 days so I haven't read the thread at all. I just managed to connect blackberry to the local service. I don't know what fmonera is releasing but due to his exceptional knowledge and approcah to long term systems u can count me in too.

Thanks. Llok forward to reading the thread from my laptop soon
Title: Releasing fmonera's Robin VOL
Post by: fabio on June 01, 2012, 07:17:43 AM
Interested in joining an EA comunity


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Title: Re: Releasing fmonera's Robin VOL
Post by: canis on June 01, 2012, 07:37:34 AM
Very much interested too
Title: Re: Releasing fmonera's Robin VOL
Post by: jubal on June 01, 2012, 08:16:12 AM
Given fmonera's reputation and obvious knowledge and skill levels, I am interested in this EA.  Apart from that, I want to divert slightly into the field of payment approaches to EAs.  While I can understand from a purchaser perspective the desire to pay once for a lifetime of reward, it makes more sense psychologically to me for the vendor to require an upfront fee and then a monthly, quarterly or annual subscription. Otherwise, there is nothing in it for them from a financial perspective to remain involved in upgrading the EA for those who paid a one off fee.  While fmonera clearly has strong ethical standards and would keep his involvement just from moral conviction, I would still want him to be receiving an ongoing payment.  Of course, as a purchaser, the lower both the initial outlay and the ongoing fee are the better, but I feel more sure that a vendor is going to stick around if there is other than a moral obligation on their part.  Given the low success rate of most EAs, paying an ongoing fee for a successful one is a sensible business decision.

Good points by Keepcalm and I agree with the monthly subs idea. Look at it like this, if Fmonera charged $600 one off fee then most would think it expensive. But if he charged just $50 per month then in a year he would still have his $600 but it would be easier for most to pay. Of course then he would continue making money beyond that, which would keep him motivated to improve. On the other side of the coin if the EA didnt perform then clients can get out without having spent a fortune.

What I really want to know now is what happens next. There has surely been enough interest stoked so lets hear where we go from here
Title: Re: Releasing fmonera's Robin VOL
Post by: AtlantaSean on June 01, 2012, 09:19:57 AM
I personally don't want to rent or lease anything. fmonera please give everyone the option of either subscribing monthly or making a larger one time payment.
Title: Re: Releasing fmonera's Robin VOL
Post by: fxbootstraps on June 01, 2012, 10:29:42 AM
I like money. I would be interested.
Title: Re: Re: Releasing fmonera's Robin VOL
Post by: earquake on June 01, 2012, 11:18:32 AM
I like money. I would be interested.

I love money too hahaha

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Title: Re: Releasing fmonera's Robin VOL
Post by: Jake on June 02, 2012, 04:27:27 AM
I have been offering my volatility-based EA in exchange for any improvement that increases the profitability (some people already got it). Since then, I have received many offers by PM to sell it for money, and I always denied it.

Recently I have been thinking seriously about releasing it, making a paid customer community where we can discuss and implement new features.


I asked Donna to be part of this business adventure, release the EA through DonnaForex site and share the profits with her. I owe a lot to her. I believe she is one of the few islands of honesty in this industry and I think this is a good way to return something to her.

About pricing, we are still thinking about it, but it will certainly be in the "expensive" pricing zone as I prefer to work with few people and more commited so that I can give a better service. Probably with a monthly fee.


From me (Sorry I can't figure out how to get the quote in this grey bit and my comments in the light blue bit)

I have been thinking through the comments re buying versus leasing an EA, and was going to comment on the fact that in my previous post I did not consider the issue when the vendor is in fact not motivated by income from sale of the EA, but by the development of a community which provides support and feedback to assist in the development of a profitable EA.  This is a sort of community approach, in which a membership is paid, but where the fee contributes to the costs of service development more than to the income of the EA developer.  This sort of model seems to me to be pretty much the Entroy/FXAW model.  I thought this might apply also to fmonera, but when re-reading the first post, noticed the fact that this is a business venture designed to make profits that also go to Donna (and I agree with fmonera, she truly deserves it).  However, I still like fmonera's concept of having a paid community, but I would think of the "customers" as being more like "members" because they are being asked to be involved in ongoing development.
Title: Re: Releasing fmonera's Robin VOL
Post by: mikepipmaker on June 02, 2012, 07:04:22 AM

Would you be interested in this product/service?
Do you think it would add value to you?


I am sure there will be no lack of interest for any new product/service that comes in - we are all looking for the holy grail and will not pass any stone un-turned. Coming from fmonera, this EA will certainly call for more attention.

From the information so far there is not much to go by to decide if I would join or prefer to observe from the sideline for sometime. Observing from the outside is a preferred choice if the trading system-logic is not understandable - for example BBEA. I will not hesitate to join in if it has a clear and proven strategy like phibase.

Like most here, would like to pay at one go... not really in favour of monthly - I have tried that method with some of the EA's and found it very stupid when I felt the need to switch off the EA during periods I felt it would not do well - but the monthly charge just keep coming in.  >:(

One time charge would be a good option - start off with about 50% of your planned retail price - hike it up as you add more members or as the EA starts to prove itself. That way early birds get their reward for being adventurous and trusting you reputation.  ;)

Hopefully Robin should be significantly different from FGB and preferably be working on H1 time frame.

or fmonera may choose to form a totally new member community which gives access to the EA and participation in its development for a monthly membership fee... this would put your new venture on a totally different platform rather than being pitted against the scores of EA vendors out in this commercial world (both honorable and dishonorable ones). This may be in line with your reputation and personality - keeps you towering above the rest. Once you are a vendor - it is always "customer is always right"  :) - any DD's will see the customary wrath and refunds along with derogatory posts.... if your posts on this forum are to go by, fmonera will have to mellow down quite a bit in order to be more customer friendly - this would be very sad and unfortunate since his out right frank and strong "my rules" work best is what has made him what he is on this forum.

fmonera, just sharing my thoughts.... which ever way you decide, I am sure those who follow you will always be their for you. Best wishes and hope this will turn out to be just more than yet another commercial EA.  :D
Title: Re: Releasing fmonera's Robin VOL
Post by: Chip4Pips on June 02, 2012, 07:18:08 AM
I am also interested.  8)
Title: Re: Releasing fmonera's Robin VOL
Post by: fmonera on June 02, 2012, 07:57:57 AM

Would you be interested in this product/service?
Do you think it would add value to you?

or fmonera may choose to form a totally new member community which gives access to the EA and participation in its development for a monthly membership fee... this would
put your new venture on a totally different platform rather than being pitted against the scores of EA vendors out in this commercial world (both honorable and dishonorable ones). This may be in line with your reputation and personality - keeps you towering above the rest. Once you are a vendor - it is always "customer is always right"  :) - any DD's will see the customary wrath and refunds along with derogatory posts.... if your posts on this forum are to go by, fmonera will have to mellow down quite a bit in order to be more customer friendly - this would be very sad and unfortunate since his out right frank and strong "my rules" work best is what has made him what he is on this forum.

Certainly this is a very attractive model where I would feel very comfortable given my background (I founded a linux/open-source company in 2003 and I am involved in the open source community since 1997). I will contemplate this model in the future (but not a priority now).

Quote

fmonera, just sharing my thoughts.... which ever way you decide, I am sure those who follow you will always be their for you. Best wishes and hope this will turn out to be just more than yet another commercial EA.  :D

I hope so too, I have a lot of money being managed by Robin VOL.
Title: Re: Releasing fmonera's Robin VOL
Post by: IFFTrader on June 02, 2012, 07:59:00 AM
fmonera, you have any target date to make a decision? Hope you let us know whatever the outcome.
Title: Re: Releasing fmonera's Robin VOL
Post by: fmonera on June 02, 2012, 08:10:49 AM
I think most people are interested so we decided that we will release the product.

I will post a roadmap later.

Thank everybody for the nice comments and support  :D
Title: Re: Releasing fmonera's Robin VOL
Post by: Chris85 on June 02, 2012, 08:26:50 AM
Sounds good.

Im gonna check this thread regularly from now on  8)
Title: Re: Releasing fmonera's Robin VOL
Post by: Jet on June 02, 2012, 08:55:55 AM
I'm interested too  :D
Title: Re: Releasing fmonera's Robin VOL
Post by: scalise on June 02, 2012, 11:24:44 AM


we all know it takes time fmonera studing the behavior of FGB, so I think it can be a very interesting opportunity to have a serious ea without the problems that users have FGB...

we can finally have a ea with sufficient certainty that is not going to go crazy and wipe out the account.

Very interesting !!
Title: Re: Releasing fmonera's Robin VOL
Post by: crashev on June 02, 2012, 11:49:17 AM
What is also important, that EA will be from a trader, from a community, not from some bullshit marketing side, that noone knows who stands behinde.

Also can't wait to see this as I'm also EA developer, but 24h is not enough to work and develop and test EAs ;]
Title: Re: Releasing fmonera's Robin VOL
Post by: AtlantaSean on June 02, 2012, 04:53:13 PM
I think most people are interested so we decided that we will release the product.

I will post a roadmap later.

Thank everybody for the nice comments and support  :D

Thank you so much for being generous about this! Everyone involved will benefit!
Just gotta figure out how to beat the crappy Asian session. :)
Title: Re: Releasing fmonera's Robin VOL
Post by: seamonkey on June 02, 2012, 07:39:53 PM
I'm interested as well :-)
Title: Re: Releasing fmonera's Robin VOL
Post by: compujock on June 03, 2012, 03:34:35 AM
I'm interested too.
Title: Re: Releasing fmonera's Robin VOL
Post by: flatour on June 03, 2012, 05:24:39 AM
I will be very inventive : I'm interested too :)
Keep us posted :)
Title: Re: Releasing fmonera's Robin VOL
Post by: Johnnykanoo on June 03, 2012, 01:38:05 PM
Great news fmonera (that you are deciding to move forward)  I am extremely interested in more information :D
Title: Re: Releasing fmonera's Robin VOL
Post by: 7trader7 on June 03, 2012, 01:53:40 PM
Also interested here.
Title: Re: Releasing fmonera's Robin VOL
Post by: jsintl on June 03, 2012, 02:28:09 PM
I'm interested, too!
Title: Re: Releasing fmonera's Robin VOL
Post by: nwboater on June 03, 2012, 02:55:52 PM
And another very interested one here. I do think that a monthly or quarterly fee is fair and compensates you for your continued involvement with the project. Hopefully it wont be real large so those of us with modest accounts will be able to participate.

Thank you for all your efforts and sharing on DonnaForex.

Rod
Title: Re: Releasing fmonera's Robin VOL
Post by: Stevo999 on June 04, 2012, 02:11:59 PM
I am also interested in hearing more. Many thanks.
Title: Re: Releasing fmonera's Robin VOL
Post by: fmonera on June 04, 2012, 03:16:15 PM
ROADMAP

This is the estimated roadmap until the release:

Jun/4: Pricing, some backtests and general information

Jun/13: Pre-release
The EA will be released to a small number of traders. I will give more details later today.

Jun/30: Home page, documentation, sales system

Jul/1: Commercial launch
Title: Re: Releasing fmonera's Robin VOL
Post by: earquake on June 04, 2012, 03:49:35 PM
Jul/1, my birthday. Great news.

Enviado desde mi Transformer TF101 usando Tapatalk 2
Title: Re: Releasing fmonera's Robin VOL
Post by: Sk0ll on June 04, 2012, 04:31:02 PM
Im in!!

count on me!!
Title: Releasing fmonera's Robin VOL
Post by: PARIM on June 04, 2012, 06:48:02 PM
I am interested as well. Count me in. Thanks.
Title: Re: Releasing fmonera's Robin VOL
Post by: fmonera on June 04, 2012, 07:00:21 PM
PRODUCT, SERVICE AND PRICING

The product/service will cost $395/year (or $145 plus 30/monthly) and it will include:

 - Robin VOL EA (not decided yet how many accounts or if it will be locked to one server)
 - Support through this forum or through email. I would like to keep the knowledge base in this forum.
 - Updates / bug fixes
 - Access to testing versions
 - Unconditional no questons refund for 60 days. The only limitation is that people who refund the product cannot buy it again.

PRELIMINARY BACKTEST

I launched a quick backtest for you to get an idea of the strategy quality. It is not an official backtest. A lot of official backtests will be published later (in English :D and with different configuration values, different spread values and so on to cover a lot of scenarios).

This backtest was created with the following criteria:

 - Period: 2000/01/01 - 2012/06/04 (History center data)
 - Spread: 1.5
 - Risk configured for a 20% drawdown (which is a bit high for my taste but seems a standard for comparing EAs out there)
 - I used 3 years and a half of out of sample data to avoid curve-fitting

(https://donnaforex.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fclip2net.com%2Fclip%2Fm77417%2F1338832143-clip-153kb.png&hash=658b92e594b91832d259019bee35c004)

I will still not publish the backtest files until there is an official version (except for pre-release users).
Title: Re: Releasing fmonera's Robin VOL
Post by: Star on June 04, 2012, 07:17:55 PM
PRODUCT, SERVICE AND PRICING

The product/service will cost $395/year (or $145 plus 30/monthly) and it will include:

 - Robin VOL EA (not decided yet how many accounts or if it will be locked to one server)
 - Support through this forum or through email. I would like to keep the knowledge base in this forum.
 - Updates / bug fixes
 - Access to testing versions
 - Unconditional no questons refund for 60 days. The only limitation is that people who refund the product cannot buy it again.

PRELIMINARY BACKTEST

I launched a quick backtest for you to get an idea of the strategy quality. It is not an official backtest. A lot of official backtests will be published later (in English :D and with different configuration values, different spread values and so on to cover a lot of scenarios).

This backtest was created with the following criteria:

 - Period: 2000/01/01 - 2012/06/04 (History center data)
 - Spread: 1.5
 - Risk configured for a 20% drawdown (which is a bit high for my taste but seems a standard for comparing EAs out there)
 - I used 3 years and a half of out of sample data to avoid curve-fitting

(https://donnaforex.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fclip2net.com%2Fclip%2Fm77417%2F1338832143-clip-153kb.png&hash=658b92e594b91832d259019bee35c004)

I will still not publish the backtest files until there is an official version (except for pre-release users).



If you could lock it to one server , like SmartFxtechnology does , it would be great.It would be easier that way for everybody.

Thanks
Title: Re: Releasing fmonera's Robin VOL
Post by: AtlantaSean on June 04, 2012, 07:21:00 PM
Forget locking anything. How about unlimited accounts?
Title: Re: Releasing fmonera's Robin VOL
Post by: scalise on June 04, 2012, 07:22:43 PM

seems to me balanced to provide good service and backtest is similar to FGB, average profit trades double the average losses trades that is good.
Title: Re: Releasing fmonera's Robin VOL
Post by: deathlord on June 04, 2012, 07:59:10 PM
The product/service will cost $395/year (or $145 plus 30/monthly)

is it once $145 and then monthly $30 or every year $145 and monthly $30?

Quote
- Robin VOL EA (not decided yet how many accounts or if it will be locked to one server)

Server lock means what exactly? You tell people which broker they are allowed to use? That would probably be a deal breaker for me, and why would you need to limit the number of accounts? If your main concern is to make sure that people are commited and a serious community around this EA develops, it is completely irrelevant if someone puts his/her money in one account or splits it in 10 accounts. Don't even start with this kind of patronizing but focus on what is important for you and the community. Your income is already provided by the recurring payments ...

Quote
- Period: 2000/01/01 - 2012/06/04 (History center data)

so this backtest contains the data holes? Then let's wait for the complete ones :D But looking not bad so far.

To make it easier to compare it, can you also post a FGB backtest with comparable settings?
Title: Re: Releasing fmonera's Robin VOL
Post by: fx.mstr on June 04, 2012, 08:25:03 PM
PRODUCT, SERVICE AND PRICING

The product/service will cost $395/year (or $145 plus 30/monthly) and it will include:

 - Robin VOL EA (not decided yet how many accounts or if it will be locked to one server)
 - Support through this forum or through email. I would like to keep the knowledge base in this forum.
 - Updates / bug fixes
 - Access to testing versions
 - Unconditional no questons refund for 60 days. The only limitation is that people who refund the product cannot buy it again.

PRELIMINARY BACKTEST

I launched a quick backtest for you to get an idea of the strategy quality. It is not an official backtest. A lot of official backtests will be published later (in English :D and with different configuration values, different spread values and so on to cover a lot of scenarios).

This backtest was created with the following criteria:

 - Period: 2000/01/01 - 2012/06/04 (History center data)
 - Spread: 1.5
 - Risk configured for a 20% drawdown (which is a bit high for my taste but seems a standard for comparing EAs out there)
 - I used 3 years and a half of out of sample data to avoid curve-fitting

(https://donnaforex.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fclip2net.com%2Fclip%2Fm77417%2F1338832143-clip-153kb.png&hash=658b92e594b91832d259019bee35c004)

I will still not publish the backtest files until there is an official version (except for pre-release users).

Can we see any forward test results, either demo or live?
Title: Re: Releasing fmonera's Robin VOL
Post by: crashev on June 04, 2012, 08:27:01 PM
PRODUCT, SERVICE AND PRICING

The product/service will cost $395/year (or $145 plus 30/monthly) and it will include:

 - Robin VOL EA (not decided yet how many accounts or if it will be locked to one server)
 - Support through this forum or through email. I would like to keep the knowledge base in this forum.
 - Updates / bug fixes
 - Access to testing versions
 - Unconditional no questons refund for 60 days. The only limitation is that people who refund the product cannot buy it again.

PRELIMINARY BACKTEST

I launched a quick backtest for you to get an idea of the strategy quality. It is not an official backtest. A lot of official backtests will be published later (in English :D and with different configuration values, different spread values and so on to cover a lot of scenarios).

This backtest was created with the following criteria:

 - Period: 2000/01/01 - 2012/06/04 (History center data)
 - Spread: 1.5
 - Risk configured for a 20% drawdown (which is a bit high for my taste but seems a standard for comparing EAs out there)
 - I used 3 years and a half of out of sample data to avoid curve-fitting

I will still not publish the backtest files until there is an official version (except for pre-release users).

Can we see any forward test results, either demo or live?

Of course, just a little bit of searching and You got http://www.myfxbook.com/members/fmonera :)
Title: Re: Releasing fmonera's Robin VOL
Post by: fx.mstr on June 04, 2012, 08:32:31 PM
PRODUCT, SERVICE AND PRICING

The product/service will cost $395/year (or $145 plus 30/monthly) and it will include:

 - Robin VOL EA (not decided yet how many accounts or if it will be locked to one server)
 - Support through this forum or through email. I would like to keep the knowledge base in this forum.
 - Updates / bug fixes
 - Access to testing versions
 - Unconditional no questons refund for 60 days. The only limitation is that people who refund the product cannot buy it again.

PRELIMINARY BACKTEST

I launched a quick backtest for you to get an idea of the strategy quality. It is not an official backtest. A lot of official backtests will be published later (in English :D and with different configuration values, different spread values and so on to cover a lot of scenarios).

This backtest was created with the following criteria:

 - Period: 2000/01/01 - 2012/06/04 (History center data)
 - Spread: 1.5
 - Risk configured for a 20% drawdown (which is a bit high for my taste but seems a standard for comparing EAs out there)
 - I used 3 years and a half of out of sample data to avoid curve-fitting

I will still not publish the backtest files until there is an official version (except for pre-release users).

Can we see any forward test results, either demo or live?

Of course, just a little bit of searching and You got http://www.myfxbook.com/members/fmonera :)

Thanks.

I assumed that I don't need to search but it can be provided as the backtest, and as a proof of its performance.
Title: Re: Releasing fmonera's Robin VOL
Post by: fmonera on June 04, 2012, 09:00:09 PM
The product/service will cost $395/year (or $145 plus 30/monthly)

is it once $145 and then monthly $30 or every year $145 and monthly $30?

Good point. I will review the pricing with Donna and we will adjust this.

Quote
Quote
- Robin VOL EA (not decided yet how many accounts or if it will be locked to one server)

Server lock means what exactly? You tell people which broker they are allowed to use? That would probably be a deal breaker for me, and why would

By server I mean machine. No matter how many brokers, mt4 instances or accounts.

Quote
Quote
- Period: 2000/01/01 - 2012/06/04 (History center data)

so this backtest contains the data holes? Then let's wait for the complete ones :D But looking not bad so far.

To make it easier to compare it, can you also post a FGB backtest with comparable settings?

It wasn't an official backtest yet. I will publish all backtests, detailed analysis and comparisons before official release date.

On the above Robin VOL backtest, the ratio Profit/RelDD% is 81,058,969/19.58=4,139,886.

Straight FGB uses a pseudo-martingale position sizing so it is not really comparable, but to give you an idea, I just made a quick FGB test and I got Profit/RelDD% of 6,744,770 / 17,19 = 392,365.
Title: Re: Releasing fmonera's Robin VOL
Post by: Ru on June 04, 2012, 09:09:59 PM
fmonera (http://www.donnaforex.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=5604) - Do I understand it correctly that Robin VOL is a rejigged version of FGB to work in various environment and updated regularly?
Title: Releasing fmonera's Robin VOL
Post by: DMFX on June 05, 2012, 12:29:47 AM
Great stuff fmonera. I like the look of those results and the server lock and am looking forward to the next installment of information. :)
Title: Re: Releasing fmonera's Robin VOL
Post by: leyuyeoh on June 05, 2012, 01:33:48 AM
Great work Fmonera! Btw, what is the your suggested starting fund in order to start the Robin VOL?

Thank you  ;)
Title: Re: Releasing fmonera's Robin VOL
Post by: Makeda on June 05, 2012, 01:37:16 AM
Looking good so far, I am in as soon as possible.   Would you be limiting the number of subscribers?  In my opinion, price seems reasonable.
Very interested to see this work! 
Title: Re: Releasing fmonera's Robin VOL
Post by: forexman1972 on June 05, 2012, 01:49:53 AM
Does this EA only work on EUR?

I'm looking for an EA that works well on currencies other than EU although I will still consider this.
Title: Re: Releasing fmonera's Robin VOL
Post by: prosperousdream on June 05, 2012, 02:32:27 AM
will this work on USA brokers ? what would be the minimum balance required?

Sent from my LG Optimus Android using Tapatalk 2.1.0.
Title: Re: Releasing fmonera's Robin VOL
Post by: macro on June 05, 2012, 02:42:24 AM
Forex Growth Bot discussion on mfb:
 Member Since May 10, 2011  1 posts fmonera Aug 18 2011 at 04:34
-----------------------------
 
"I am angry. I paid for a product and I cannot use it due to the protection.

Only paid customers are affected. Pirated copies are running.

If this is not corrected 3 hours from now, I will grab a pirated copy. It may not have smart exit or other features, but at least I will not have this serious vendor dependency."
---------------------------------


I hope fmonera doesnt commit the same mistake as the FGB vendor... ;)
Title: Re: Releasing fmonera's Robin VOL
Post by: AtlantaSean on June 05, 2012, 06:09:28 AM
I could be wrong but wouldn't having a server locked up be vendor dependency?
Title: Re: Releasing fmonera's Robin VOL
Post by: websmith on June 05, 2012, 06:29:52 AM
You are dependent on vendor with any paid EA. I do not mind to have server locked up if will be possibility to change server with time.
Title: Re: Releasing fmonera's Robin VOL
Post by: fmonera on June 05, 2012, 07:43:50 AM
fmonera (http://www.donnaforex.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=5604) - Do I understand it correctly that Robin VOL is a rejigged version of FGB to work in various environment and updated regularly?

One of the strategies is a volatility breakout one. But it is not a version of FGB, as it shares no code with it.
Title: Re: Releasing fmonera's Robin VOL
Post by: fmonera on June 05, 2012, 07:45:44 AM
Great work Fmonera! Btw, what is the your suggested starting fund in order to start the Robin VOL?

Thank you  ;)

I will post detailed recomendations later. That said, risking between 0.7% and 1.5% of the balance on each trade is what I am doing right now on different accounts.
Title: Re: Releasing fmonera's Robin VOL
Post by: fmonera on June 05, 2012, 07:46:55 AM
Looking good so far, I am in as soon as possible.   Would you be limiting the number of subscribers?  In my opinion, price seems reasonable.
Very interested to see this work!

I have no plans to limit the number of subscribers. I just will plan to close the sales if I cannot offer a good service to customers.
Title: Re: Releasing fmonera's Robin VOL
Post by: fmonera on June 05, 2012, 07:48:03 AM
Does this EA only work on EUR?

I'm looking for an EA that works well on currencies other than EU although I will still consider this.

It works better on EU pair. I will disclose some other pairs and timeframes once the sales period starts.
Title: Re: Releasing fmonera's Robin VOL
Post by: fmonera on June 05, 2012, 07:51:27 AM
will this work on USA brokers ? what would be the minimum balance required?

Sent from my LG Optimus Android using Tapatalk 2.1.0.

It follows the FIFO rules always by design, but I never paid too much attention to this part. I am writing a development task to recheck all cases before launching the sales period.
Title: Re: Releasing fmonera's Robin VOL
Post by: fmonera on June 05, 2012, 07:53:41 AM
will this work on USA brokers ? what would be the minimum balance required?

Sent from my LG Optimus Android using Tapatalk 2.1.0.

In any EA, the minimum balance should be the balance that allows the EA to trade above the minimum broker lots during the deepest expected drawdown period.

I will post detailed documentation about this.
Title: Re: Releasing fmonera's Robin VOL
Post by: fmonera on June 05, 2012, 09:04:06 AM
PRE-RELEASE

First of all, Robin VOL is already production quality. It is running live for months on my accounts and on accounts from customers, and even some users of this forum is running it too. But opening the EA to more people required some cleanup and refactoring of the code. Implementing security was needed too. And different users have different brokers, different needs, different net quality, ... I want to release a high quality product that works correctly on the majority of systems and brokers.

So instead of launching the product immediatly for everybody, I will release first to a small group of users (no more than 10) and I will work closely with them to be sure that everything is running fine before the official release.

Conditions to access the EA during the pre-release:
 - Real money trading required (Cent accounts and 0.01 lots are perfectly valid). One or two days on demo is ok before putting it live.
 - No manual intervention
 - You can publish backtests, but I would like to confirm first that they are done correctly
 - Work with me directly to solve any issue that could happen
 - They will have a 10% discount over the price (only yearly payment allowed in this stage)
 - People in this group can refund the product at any time during this phase. Once the official sales period starts, they will have 60 additional days of refund period.

People interested, please send me a PM with:
 - Operating System and architecture on which MT4 will run (edit: by architecture I mean 32 or 64 bit)
 - Broker where he will run the EA
 - Connection type: VPS / home DSL / ...
 - Account number (edit: I need this later when I send you the EA not now)

The pre-release version should be available around Jun/13 for this group.
Title: Re: Releasing fmonera's Robin VOL
Post by: hawkfx on June 05, 2012, 09:07:45 AM
I want to be in pre-test phase, of course if you want.

I can met the conditions you want and I could test live real in 3 brokers all running on vps.

Thanks fmonera!

hawk
Title: Re: Releasing fmonera's Robin VOL
Post by: fmonera on June 05, 2012, 01:32:55 PM
FEATURE: Protection against server side disconections

Robin VOL always had (wide) broker Stop Loss and Take Profit, but it was a bit rough as the distance was too wide. This is one of the features I wanted to improve before releasing the EA and I just finished it.

I call it "bracketing the price". If the EA is in control, the price will never touch the Stop Loss and Take Profit. But if the server crashes or looses connection to the broker, you know that your assets are protected by a Stop Loss and a Take Profit.

You can see the feature in action here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DeAgGSNrRp8
Title: Re: Releasing fmonera's Robin VOL
Post by: atomico on June 05, 2012, 01:53:48 PM
i continue to follow this interesting thread...

i hope that the test session have a good result...

thanks fmonera for all the news published in the thread...

i hope that you made a very good and profitable system...
Title: Re: Releasing fmonera's Robin VOL
Post by: nick222 on June 05, 2012, 04:00:11 PM
i'm following this thread too ,i'll be part of the purchaser if i'm sure that it can deliver :D
Title: Re: Releasing fmonera's Robin VOL
Post by: Star on June 05, 2012, 07:08:02 PM
FEATURE: Protection against server side disconections

Robin VOL always had (wide) broker Stop Loss and Take Profit, but it was a bit rough as the distance was too wide. This is one of the features I wanted to improve before releasing the EA and I just finished it.

I call it "bracketing the price". If the EA is in control, the price will never touch the Stop Loss and Take Profit. But if the server crashes or looses connection to the broker, you know that your assets are protected by a Stop Loss and a Take Profit.

You can see the feature in action here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DeAgGSNrRp8

Fmonera,

Thank you for posting this video,but I could not see very many details.
Does it mean that ea after it opens a trade will send a hard SL and TP to the broker`s server ? Approximately how many pips are this hard SL and TP are ?

Thanks
Title: Re: Releasing fmonera's Robin VOL
Post by: user456 on June 05, 2012, 07:28:27 PM
@star
It is sending a hard stop loss and a hard take profit only for the rare case that your VPS goes down or you lose connection to your broker for a longer time. Because the strategy itself is only considering the closing price of the M15 bar a hard takeprofit/stoploss does not make sense. So this "bracket"  is some kind of safety net in case of a pretty unlikely event. Under normal circumstances you will never hit this takeprofit/stoploss so its not that relevant how far away from the real takeprofit/stoploss it is set.
Title: Re: Releasing fmonera's Robin VOL
Post by: FGB-Human on June 06, 2012, 08:42:42 AM
Can you please let us know how well does this EA live forward test trades match with the backtest trades (whats the match percentage) ??

Thank you  :)
Title: Re: Releasing fmonera's Robin VOL
Post by: zuk156 on June 06, 2012, 04:58:01 PM
Will this ea optimize parameters based on recent history as fmonera talked in GrowthBot thread?
Title: Re: Releasing fmonera's Robin VOL
Post by: fmonera on June 06, 2012, 06:59:00 PM
Will this ea optimize parameters based on recent history as fmonera talked in GrowthBot thread?

Yes it will but not on this version.
Title: Re: Releasing fmonera's Robin VOL
Post by: fmonera on June 06, 2012, 07:01:48 PM
Thanks a lot for all the PMs I received for the pre-release phase.

I will make a table covering the most different scenarios of operating system, vps/home, brokers, ... and send a PM to the selected people.
Title: Re: Releasing fmonera's Robin VOL
Post by: FGB-Human on June 07, 2012, 07:23:13 AM
fmonera, please let us know the percentage match between the live forward test and the backtest (we will end up finding out anyways, so not sure why you avoid the question!)

We just do not want a repeat of the BBEA experience (I have never personally invested in it, but I know that some did based on your own recommendation), where the EA would make money on backtest and go sideways and lose on forward test.

Title: Re: Releasing fmonera's Robin VOL
Post by: trader578 on June 07, 2012, 07:40:47 AM
PRODUCT, SERVICE AND PRICING

The product/service will cost $395/year (or $145 plus 30/monthly) and it will include:

 - Robin VOL EA (not decided yet how many accounts or if it will be locked to one server)
 - Support through this forum or through email. I would like to keep the knowledge base in this forum.
 - Updates / bug fixes
 - Access to testing versions
 - Unconditional no questons refund for 60 days. The only limitation is that people who refund the product cannot buy it again.

PRELIMINARY BACKTEST

I launched a quick backtest for you to get an idea of the strategy quality. It is not an official backtest. A lot of official backtests will be published later (in English :D and with different configuration values, different spread values and so on to cover a lot of scenarios).

This backtest was created with the following criteria:

 - Period: 2000/01/01 - 2012/06/04 (History center data)
 - Spread: 1.5
 - Risk configured for a 20% drawdown (which is a bit high for my taste but seems a standard for comparing EAs out there)
 - I used 3 years and a half of out of sample data to avoid curve-fitting

(https://donnaforex.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fclip2net.com%2Fclip%2Fm77417%2F1338832143-clip-153kb.png&hash=658b92e594b91832d259019bee35c004)

I will still not publish the backtest files until there is an official version (except for pre-release users).

It is very difficult to see how this would perform with a single 12 year backtest.  Just estimating, it seems like if you started it in 2008 or 2009, it would have crashed your account.  I would much rather see year by year backtests for each of the last 5 years.  Thanks
Title: Re: Releasing fmonera's Robin VOL
Post by: fmonera on June 07, 2012, 08:01:26 AM
fmonera, please let us know the percentage match between the live forward test and the backtest (we will end up finding out anyways, so not sure why you avoid the question!)

We just do not want a repeat of the BBEA experience (I have never personally invested in it, but I know that some did based on your own recommendation), where the EA would make money on backtest and go sideways and lose on forward test.

At the moment the sales period is still not open. As I already posted in the roadmap, all this information will be published so that everybody can take a rational decission. The date for this is Jun/30 as I already posted too.
Title: Re: Releasing fmonera's Robin VOL
Post by: mikepipmaker on June 07, 2012, 08:19:36 AM
A preliminary backtest with fixed lot of 0.1 (minilot) will enable us to get more information than the compounding test. It really does not tell anything we need to know at the initial stages of the EA.  i am yet to see anyone who runs a EA for even 5 years non stop reaping the benefits of compounding. in most cases we either change or update or stop the ea for a better or later version.

From a fixed lot test we can very easily get the max dd in pips, average profit/loss size and a true value for the profit factor.  8)... we will also know what to expect when we start from a particular point of time.

First impressions from the info provided by fmonera : This is a good replacement for FGB - maybe a more expensive option, but the feel and similarity will give a strong flavor of FGB. My expectation from the Robin will be a improved trend follower - bug free (unlike FGB). Would have expected fmonera to develop EA based on one hour time frames - the M15 is a turn off for me at this point - the tangy FGB flavour will be hard to leave behind.  ;D

for me : It will either have to be FGB or Robin - guess I will not be the early bird. But very much interested and will be a good follower for some time.  ;)

Title: Re: Releasing fmonera's Robin VOL
Post by: fmonera on June 07, 2012, 12:22:16 PM
fmonera, please let us know the percentage match between the live forward test and the backtest (we will end up finding out anyways, so not sure why you avoid the question!)

We just do not want a repeat of the BBEA experience (I have never personally invested in it, but I know that some did based on your own recommendation), where the EA would make money on backtest and go sideways and lose on forward test.

Out of curiosity I have made the back-forward test for the last 8 weeks on one account that I have almost default settings. Here is the result:

(https://donnaforex.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fclip2net.com%2Fclip%2Fm77417%2F1339067872-clip-22kb.png&hash=51524b0b969faee077d28192ba85108c)

I suppose it is enough match to pass the test.
Title: Re: Releasing fmonera's Robin VOL
Post by: FGB-Human on June 07, 2012, 12:36:38 PM
fmonera, please let us know the percentage match between the live forward test and the backtest (we will end up finding out anyways, so not sure why you avoid the question!)

We just do not want a repeat of the BBEA experience (I have never personally invested in it, but I know that some did based on your own recommendation), where the EA would make money on backtest and go sideways and lose on forward test.

Out of curiosity I have made the back-forward test for the last 8 weeks on one account that I have almost default settings. Here is the result:

(https://donnaforex.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fclip2net.com%2Fclip%2Fm77417%2F1339067872-clip-22kb.png&hash=51524b0b969faee077d28192ba85108c)

I suppose it is enough match to pass the test.

Nice THANK YOU! I hope to see an up to date match comparision starting October 10th 2011 which is when your live forward test was started. The higher the percentage match on this the more worth it your EA is.

I beleive that there will be no need to wait on the side line once this gets launched if we see a good match between live and backtest.

Thank you so much for you time fmonera  :)
Title: Re: Re: Releasing fmonera's Robin VOL
Post by: earquake on June 07, 2012, 02:16:05 PM
fmonera, please let us know the percentage match between the live forward test and the backtest (we will end up finding out anyways, so not sure why you avoid the question!)

We just do not want a repeat of the BBEA experience (I have never personally invested in it, but I know that some did based on your own recommendation), where the EA would make money on backtest and go sideways and lose on forward test.

Out of curiosity I have made the back-forward test for the last 8 weeks on one account that I have almost default settings. Here is the result:

(https://donnaforex.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fclip2net.com%2Fclip%2Fm77417%2F1339067872-clip-22kb.png&hash=51524b0b969faee077d28192ba85108c)

I suppose it is enough match to pass the test.

It's enough, at least for me. Thank you.

Enviado desde mi Transformer TF101 usando Tapatalk 2
Title: Re: Releasing fmonera's Robin VOL
Post by: Makeda on June 08, 2012, 05:09:10 PM
just a small suggestion.  Judging by the pre-release interest, there will be a lot of followers on this thread and questions and pages.  It might save you (fmonera) from unnecessary questions if you pin important notices and info to the first page of the thread? i.e. roadmap or whatever.   ???  Good luck. Looking forward to this. Makeda :-*
Title: Re: Releasing fmonera's Robin VOL
Post by: nwboater on June 08, 2012, 07:40:55 PM
just a small suggestion.  Judging by the pre-release interest, there will be a lot of followers on this thread and questions and pages.  It might save you (fmonera) from unnecessary questions if you pin important notices and info to the first page of the thread? i.e. roadmap or whatever.   ???  Good luck. Looking forward to this. Makeda :-*

This is something that would be very helpful on all ea threads, especially when they get huge.

Rod
Title: Re: Releasing fmonera's Robin VOL
Post by: fmonera on June 10, 2012, 05:53:58 PM
just a small suggestion.  Judging by the pre-release interest, there will be a lot of followers on this thread and questions and pages.  It might save you (fmonera) from unnecessary questions if you pin important notices and info to the first page of the thread? i.e. roadmap or whatever.   ???  Good luck. Looking forward to this. Makeda :-*

I agree. This is a good idea. I will do that for the release. Thanks for the suggestion.
Title: Re: Releasing fmonera's Robin VOL
Post by: russ996 on June 11, 2012, 06:03:08 PM
This sounds very promising.

Will the test group results be published over the next few weeks or not until they are complete at the end of the month?
Title: Re: Releasing fmonera's Robin VOL
Post by: jomel on June 11, 2012, 11:28:52 PM
Good job,
I will follow Closely.  ;D
Title: Re: Releasing fmonera's Robin VOL
Post by: jubal on June 11, 2012, 11:32:06 PM
Fmonera, you should think about actually registering people as soon as possible. Looks like you will be swamped on launch date. But in the meantime you could have clients enrolled and possibly supplied with documentation early.
Title: Re: Releasing fmonera's Robin VOL
Post by: fmonera on June 11, 2012, 11:59:35 PM
This sounds very promising.

Will the test group results be published over the next few weeks or not until they are complete at the end of the month?

I will propose pre-release users to do 4 days or so of demo to solve any technical glitches on different hardware setups than mine and then we can go live with minimal lots next week or so. I suppose by then we can start publishing results.
Title: Re: Releasing fmonera's Robin VOL
Post by: russ996 on June 12, 2012, 07:37:41 AM
This sounds very promising.

Will the test group results be published over the next few weeks or not until they are complete at the end of the month?

I will propose pre-release users to do 4 days or so of demo to solve any technical glitches on different hardware setups than mine and then we can go live with minimal lots next week or so. I suppose by then we can start publishing results.

That's great.

Looking forward to seeing them.
Title: Re: Releasing fmonera's Robin VOL
Post by: fmonera on June 12, 2012, 09:08:02 PM
Robin-VOL Pre-release schedule updated

I have to delay two days the planned pre-release schedule as I need to test the EA a bit more before releasing.

 - Pre-Release to 10-15 users: June/15
 - Release: Jul/1 (no changes)

I hope there will no be more delays as that would mean I feel very confident in the stability and quality of the product.

Thanks for your patience.
Title: Re: Releasing fmonera's Robin VOL
Post by: banker on June 13, 2012, 09:15:41 PM
Sounds great.  Please make sure that there is no Ferrari or Lamborghini on the sales page :P

Looking forward to the official release.
Title: Re: Releasing fmonera's Robin VOL
Post by: fmonera on June 13, 2012, 09:34:21 PM
Sounds great.  Please make sure that there is no Ferrari or Lamborghini on the sales page :P

Looking forward to the official release.

(https://donnaforex.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fclip2net.com%2Fclip%2Fm77417%2F1339619643-clip-249kb.png&hash=040cea97edac808eeb98eccda50b077a)
Title: Re: Releasing fmonera's Robin VOL
Post by: Kevin @ FXPIG on June 13, 2012, 09:47:42 PM
Only 234 billion? And a WHOLE 5 minutes?

C'mon, with so many better systems out there why would I settle for one that makes so little profit during such a long period?

Real professional FX traders can do this in under 2.3 minutes...(Did I mention that they trade 1b a click with no slippage? :) )

Cheers,
Title: Re: Releasing fmonera's Robin VOL
Post by: fmonera on June 14, 2012, 10:28:40 PM
I was curious and I decided to launch a backtest "a-la" Rob45 :) IMPORTANT: I am just playing. Don't rely on this kind of backtests to buy this nor any other EA. There are many reasons why there is absolutely no possibilities to repeat this on real money (for example, my wife would kill me if I loose 12 Million in a single trade as an average :P ).

By the way, this is not an official backtest, I'm just playing with the EA.

Pre-release stage starts in some hours. I will send PMs to the people that showed interest.

(https://donnaforex.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fclip2net.com%2Fclip%2Fm77417%2F1339708732-clip-151kb.png&hash=29758edba078059c0129f41feedd3bc3)
Title: Re: Releasing fmonera's Robin VOL
Post by: deweymcg on June 15, 2012, 03:15:53 AM
I am certainly interested and will be following this thread.
Title: Re: Releasing fmonera's Robin VOL
Post by: robl45 on June 15, 2012, 04:04:36 AM
your wife would be jumping for join if you had 12 million dollars to lose, she would be at the mall and wouldn't be the least bit interested in what you were doing :)

at any rate, some people may call it crazy, but 200+ million for a 1000 dollar risk is pretty decent odds in my book. if i lose the 1000, i can start again.  if i make the 200 million, i can be anything i want to be.

of course this isn't going to work on live and be able to do the obscene lots, but if you assume you will be taking money out as you go, it still could work decently well.  And i don't know of any EA's that actually work on live that can put up a backtest like this.

I was curious and I decided to launch a backtest "a-la" Rob45 :) IMPORTANT: I am just playing. Don't rely on this kind of backtests to buy this nor any other EA. There are many reasons why there is absolutely no possibilities to repeat this on real money (for example, my wife would kill me if I loose 12 Million in a single trade as an average :P ).

By the way, this is not an official backtest, I'm just playing with the EA.

Pre-release stage starts in some hours. I will send PMs to the people that showed interest.

(https://donnaforex.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fclip2net.com%2Fclip%2Fm77417%2F1339708732-clip-151kb.png&hash=29758edba078059c0129f41feedd3bc3)
Title: Re: Releasing fmonera's Robin VOL
Post by: fmonera on June 15, 2012, 10:45:12 AM
Official backtest of FOREX Robin VOL 1.5.1

Here is the first official backtest. I will generate a lot of backtests with different configurations (settings, spread, ...) but this is the first one.

 - 2000/01/01 to 2012/05/30
 - default settings
 - risk=1.3%
 - spread=1.5
 - asirikuy high-quality data

(https://donnaforex.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fclip2net.com%2Fclip%2Fm77417%2F1339753374-clip-35kb.png&hash=04279c6f89ffdee44c00c0f0f4da3eb2)

(https://donnaforex.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fclip2net.com%2Fclip%2Fm77417%2F1339753465-clip-102kb.png&hash=87e6f2c04ae7f279e8a38fcbbbc58c9a)

(https://donnaforex.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fclip2net.com%2Fclip%2Fm77417%2F1339753311-clip-56kb.png&hash=737cf829386fd5abdba6fd82532bdc90)

(https://donnaforex.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fclip2net.com%2Fclip%2Fm77417%2F1339752846-clip-135kb.png&hash=e4bb99740467cc16c1c2bbea072791c3)
Title: Re: Releasing fmonera's Robin VOL
Post by: adamkhwaja on June 15, 2012, 11:00:26 AM
Nice.  :)

Fmonera, I understand you are planning to post few back tests. Could you post one for the last 5 years?

MOD NOTE: Edited to remove megaquoting
Title: Re: Releasing fmonera's Robin VOL
Post by: fmonera on June 15, 2012, 11:27:40 AM
I just sent PMs to the pre-release candidates with the download steps.

I selected the candidates based on it's hardware configuration and it's experience here in the forum. If you wanted to be a pre-release user but didn't receive the PM, probably your VPS/operating-system/broker was already covered by other user.

Thanks for all the support messages I received.
Title: Re: Releasing fmonera's Robin VOL
Post by: user456 on June 15, 2012, 11:30:47 AM
thanks a lot fmonera. I know some people (including me) like to view backtests on myfxbook so here it is:
http://www.myfxbook.com/strategies/robin-vol-151/18855
Title: Re: Releasing fmonera's Robin VOL
Post by: jshear on June 15, 2012, 12:20:52 PM
Lock and loaded on demo at ATC Brokers running off a home computer running Windows 7 Home Premium Edition!! Using default settings except raised risk to 2 percent risk  per  trade!!!


Cheers


Jeff :)
Title: Re: Releasing fmonera's Robin VOL
Post by: fmonera on June 15, 2012, 12:30:24 PM
Lock and loaded on demo at ATC Brokers running off a home computer!! Using default settings except raised risk to 2 percent risk  per  trade!!!


Cheers


Jeff :)

welcome :)

2% is very high risk for me. Take a look at the backtest.

On my accounts I run it between 0.7 and 1.3.

But being a demo account, let's see how it deals with greece and this high risk :)
Title: Re: Releasing fmonera's Robin VOL
Post by: sponn on June 15, 2012, 12:34:17 PM
I'm waiting for monday.. ;) But I will put it on live account.
Title: Re: Releasing fmonera's Robin VOL
Post by: robl45 on June 15, 2012, 12:37:50 PM
Lock and loaded on demo at ATC Brokers running off a home computer!! Using default settings except raised risk to 2 percent risk  per  trade!!!


Cheers


Jeff :)

welcome :)

2% is very high risk for me. Take a look at the backtest.

On my accounts I run it between 0.7 and 1.3.

But being a demo account, let's see how it deals with greece and this high risk :)

I run 7% usually, I must be crazy :)
Title: Re: Releasing fmonera's Robin VOL
Post by: jshear on June 15, 2012, 12:39:50 PM
Yes 1 percent risk per trade is more reasonable but lets try stretching to 2 percent to see how it handles it. Also Greece vote on sunday with extreme volatility possibly will be a good test!! Keep up the good work Fmonera!!


Cheers

Jeff :)
Title: Re: Releasing fmonera's Robin VOL
Post by: websmith on June 15, 2012, 12:51:38 PM
I have gotten from "Avangate Payment Services": Your order *** cannot be processed at the moment.
At the moment your order has a "Pending for approval" status.
Title: Re: Releasing fmonera's Robin VOL
Post by: fmonera on June 15, 2012, 12:52:14 PM
I'm waiting for monday.. ;) But I will put it on live account.

Please, don't do that. I outsourced the security part of the code. Although it works correctly on my platforms, it could have hidden bugs on other platforms. This is why I launched the pre-release period.

Let's wait at least until wednesday next week and see if we should put it on 0.01 lots real accounts.
Title: Re: Releasing fmonera's Robin VOL
Post by: fmonera on June 15, 2012, 12:52:53 PM
I have gotten from "Avangate Payment Services": Your order *** cannot be processed at the moment.
At the moment your order has a "Pending for approval" status.

Donna is the one who manages this directly. I will forward your problem to her.
Title: Re: Releasing fmonera's Robin VOL
Post by: DaggerDirk on June 15, 2012, 01:18:16 PM
fmonera
Would like to be included in your EA testing if possible.
phoebus att iinet.net.au
Title: Re: Releasing fmonera's Robin VOL
Post by: fmonera on June 15, 2012, 02:20:57 PM
Lock and loaded on demo at ATC Brokers running off a home computer!! Using default settings except raised risk to 2 percent risk  per  trade!!!


Cheers


Jeff :)

welcome :)

2% is very high risk for me. Take a look at the backtest.

On my accounts I run it between 0.7 and 1.3.

But being a demo account, let's see how it deals with greece and this high risk :)

I run 7% usually, I must be crazy :)

If you have the nerves to go through the DD periods and in the end you make 28,784 million usd in the next 12 years then you will be my hero :)

(https://donnaforex.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fclip2net.com%2Fclip%2Fm77417%2F1339766257-clip-88kb.png&hash=854c4aa6845c87b4be4b80ee03bee2a9)
Title: Re: Releasing fmonera's Robin VOL
Post by: hawkfx on June 15, 2012, 02:30:55 PM
Using so high risk, will get to take off any Expert, because DD periods will come, and on BT are easy to see, but on real are hard.

As fmonera says on his signature, making money must be boring is the unique key of success.

It's a shame I wasn't selected, hope all beta tester do great!
Title: Re: Releasing fmonera's Robin VOL
Post by: fmonera on June 15, 2012, 02:43:02 PM
Using so high risk, will get to take off any Expert, because DD periods will come, and on BT are easy to see, but on real are hard.

As fmonera says on his signature, making money must be boring is the unique key of success.

It's a shame I wasn't selected, hope all beta tester do great!

Sorry Hawk, at this stage I need to keep the pre-release group small. If we have problems, it will be much easier to manage this way.

I wouldn't advice running it at high risk unless you have made the appropiate backtests AND statistical analysis, so you DO know what WILL be the minimum drawdown in the future and you feel comfortable with that drawdown.

As I said many times, my psichological drawdown level limit is at 13%. When I am loosing more than that, I feel depressed. Running Robin VOL at 0.7% risk is very comfortable for me.
Title: Re: Releasing fmonera's Robin VOL
Post by: biedermeier on June 15, 2012, 03:03:21 PM
Launched and ready to demo trade. All default except I changed the risk to 1.5%.
Btw, I like that the expiration date is visible so you won't forget to renew the license.

Title: Re: Releasing fmonera's Robin VOL
Post by: fmonera on June 15, 2012, 03:27:39 PM
Playing with the EA on DEMO

Set this UNPROFITABLE settings for M1 on strat-1: 1/60/0.4. With this settings, the EA will open a trade every minute or so (and will loose money quickly but it is nice to do some robustness test).

Once you have some positions opened:
 - Familiarize with on-screen display UI
 - close and reopen MT4
 - close, wait some minutes and reopen it
 - change settings on the fly
 - ...

 - Play with the weekendClose settings too.
 - Play with the bracketSLTP too.
 - Put the EA with this settings on other pairs at the same time.
 - ...

I will implement manual closing and opening of trades in the next major release (will be shortly after release date). Until then, there is a way to close manually some or all of the trades, but I will tell you how later.
Title: Re: Releasing fmonera's Robin VOL
Post by: AtlantaSean on June 15, 2012, 05:31:50 PM
Looks pretty good. I have a noob question though. How do I make the display cover the candlesticks so that they don't bleed through?
Title: Re: Releasing fmonera's Robin VOL
Post by: fmonera on June 15, 2012, 06:11:35 PM
Looks pretty good. I have a noob question though. How do I make the display cover the candlesticks so that they don't bleed through?

- F8
- Disable chart on foreground
- Color up bars and down bars LightGrey.

Title: Re: Releasing fmonera's Robin VOL
Post by: deathlord on June 15, 2012, 07:09:39 PM
waiting for Mr. Postman  8)

gonna play with some backtest over the weekend, and then jump into the Grexit chaos  :-*
Title: Re: Releasing fmonera's Robin VOL
Post by: fmonera on June 15, 2012, 07:31:02 PM
Fixed lots backtest

(https://donnaforex.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fclip2net.com%2Fclip%2Fm77417%2F1339784219-clip-133kb.png&hash=c616914cab8a5e87913982578b5455ae)

Title: Re: Releasing fmonera's Robin VOL
Post by: fmonera on June 15, 2012, 07:45:00 PM
Documentation and web site

Documentation and web site is scheduled for the end of June. In the meantime, here is the documentation of some of the not-obvious options.


=== Brief documentation for the pre-release ===

== Robin VOL Options ==

* atrAdjustedMM: Means if the EA should adjust the trade size to the market volatility, decreasing the lot size
on volatile markets when stop loss and take profit levels are wide, and increasing the lot size on non-volatile markets.
The idea is to earn (or loss) approximately the same percentage of the account no matter how volatile is the market.
By default it is false.

* KeepTradeSizeInBasket: Once the first position is opened, the remaining positions will always have the same lot size.

* UseMinLotIfUnderMinimum: If calculated lot size is below the minimum lot allowed by the broker, the EA will not trade
unless you set this option to "true". In that case, the EA will trade minimum allowed lots. Take into account that you
will be risking more than what you configured in the settings.

* fridayClosingHour / fridayClosingDay: It is the SERVER time at which market closes for the weekend. It is used for two
things. The first one is that Robin VOL will deactivate bracketSLTP during weekends so that Stop Loss or Take Profit
are not touched due to weekend movements. The second one is for closing all the trades just before market closes in
case the option avoidTradesOverWeekend is set to true. For fridayClosingDay, put 0 for sunday, 1 for monday, ... 5 for
friday and 6 for saturday.
For example:
 - If your broker closes on friday at 22:00, you must set "fridayClosingDay=5" and "fridayClosingHour=22".
 - If your broker closes on saturday at 00:00, you must set "fridayClosingDay=6" and "fridayClosingHour=0".

* useBracketSLTP (true or false)
Sets a Stop Loss and a Take Profit distanced from the price by bracketSLTPatr times the recent range, updated every
time the price moves a minimum distance.
This is set as a security measure against server disconnections or other problems. As long as everything is right, this
Stop Loss and Take Profit levels should never be triggered by the price.
For backtesting, this mode is incompatible with "Open Prices Only". So if you want to test this feature, you should use
"every tick".
If you set useBracketSLTP to false, Robin VOL will not send StopLoss and TakeProfit to the server.

* bracketSLTPatr (double)
Rerpresent how far is the security Stop Loss and Take Profit. It is a multiplier of the recent range.

* useInitialBalance (true or false)
If true, it will use only the portion of the total capital specified in "initialBalance" to calculate the position
sizing instead of the total account balance.
If you will be using this feature, it is very important to activate "All History" in the Account History tab.
If false, it will use all the account to calculate the position sizing.

* initialBalance (double)
The amount of capital you want Robin VOL to manage. If useInitialBalance is false, then this parameter is ignored.



== Manual closing of trades ==

In this version, manual closing of trades or manual setting of Stop Loss or Take Profit is not allowed and it will
make the EA to behave erroneously. Manual trading is currently scheduled for next release.



Title: Re: Releasing fmonera's Robin VOL
Post by: 7trader7 on June 15, 2012, 07:45:51 PM
Fixed lots backtest

(https://donnaforex.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fclip2net.com%2Fclip%2Fm77417%2F1339784219-clip-133kb.png&hash=c616914cab8a5e87913982578b5455ae)
I think that a 12 years backtest with fixed 0.1 lots on a USD based account would be appreciated. So we can see drawdown and expected gains in pips.
Title: Re: Releasing fmonera's Robin VOL
Post by: fmonera on June 15, 2012, 07:53:32 PM
Another fixed lots backtest with lot size = 1

(https://donnaforex.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fclip2net.com%2Fclip%2Fm77417%2F1339786314-clip-137kb.png&hash=853ca91be8a3f226cb78a4752c5ee89e)

I think that a 12 years backtest with fixed 0.1 lots on a USD based account would be appreciated. So we can see drawdown and expected gains in pips.
Title: Pre-release group
Post by: fmonera on June 15, 2012, 10:04:11 PM
We have opened this section in the forum to talk about FOREX Robin VOL during the pre-release stage.

Please, open a new thread in this section for:

 - Help needed
 - Backtests
 - Problems / bug reporting
 - Avangate problems
 - ...

At the moment it is a closed group, but most or all the content will be opened after the release.

edit: All the content of this section has been made public.
Title: Backtesting problems
Post by: fmonera on June 15, 2012, 10:18:58 PM
Some users are reporting problems with backtesting:

 - robl45: sometimes the backtest don't work. Launching again the backtest works correctly.
 - eurosmarter: backtests don't work
 - fmonera: backtests works always, but when I change settings between backtests, sometimes has happened that I had to launch it twice to recognize the changes

I am not sure if all are the same problem.

Can you post details about your problem so that I can reproduce by myself and we can see what is the common element?
 - Architecture
 - Data set (metaquotes, asirikuy, ...)
 - Fixed dates or all period
 - visual backtest?
 - ...

If anyone had problems please post here too.

Thanks a lot.
Title: Re: Backtesting problems
Post by: robl45 on June 15, 2012, 11:03:58 PM
i switched to the alpari UK demo and now the backtesting is working correctly, not like on the collective fx demo that i've used for 2 years where i would start it, then stop it, then start it again to get it to work.

the other bonus is it is working from .01 lots up to 99999 lots so that makes backtesting much better as it doesn't get stuck at fixed lots as quickly as it did when 10000 lots was the max.
Title: computer quantity limit
Post by: deathlord on June 16, 2012, 12:11:40 AM
Just in case someone gets the idea to test it locally before installing it on server/vps ... don't ;)

fmonera, need a registration reset ;D
Title: Re: Backtesting problems
Post by: Curtis_S on June 16, 2012, 12:14:05 AM
Closing and opening the MT4 trading platform (terminal.exe) solved my problem of backtests not being performed properly after changes in the settings. Just changing some settings would run the backtest without any or only few (14) trades being performed. This did not occur always.

One of the things I changed was to turn off the second strategy and set a fixed lot size of 0.1. (on Pepperstone, Windows Server 2008 R2, 64bit).
Title: Re: computer quantity limit
Post by: fmonera on June 16, 2012, 12:50:44 AM
Correct.

Unlimited demo accounts
Unlimited real accounts
Locked to one machine
Title: Re: computer quantity limit
Post by: robl45 on June 16, 2012, 01:15:31 AM
But doesn't everyone install first on home machine to test before moving to vps?  You can't backtest on a vps
Title: Re: Backtesting problems
Post by: robl45 on June 16, 2012, 01:17:14 AM
I was getting the few trade thing too.  now it works since I switched the platform
Title: Re: computer quantity limit
Post by: fmonera on June 16, 2012, 01:43:56 AM
But doesn't everyone install first on home machine to test before moving to vps?  You can't backtest on a vps

The process to change the machine is easy.
Title: Re: Releasing fmonera's Robin VOL
Post by: eurosmarter on June 16, 2012, 09:52:57 AM
My first backtest with default settings, quite impressive!
Title: New releases
Post by: fmonera on June 16, 2012, 12:15:13 PM
On FOREX Robin VOL I will follow the scheme of many open source open source projects: "Release Early, Release Often".

There will always be two supported versions of the EA: the stable and the testing/pre-release. Both will be suitable to be run on real money unless stated the contrary for that version.

The focus and main efforts will be two (in this order):

 1.- Capital preservation: for example, latest features in this area are "bracketSLTP" and "Initial Balance".

 2.- Profitability improvement: exit improvements, new complementary strategies, maybe entry filters, robustness (predictability of future results), analytical aids

The numbering scheme will be the following:
 - First digit: Major version
 - Middle digit: even means stable, odd means testing/pre-release
 - Last digit: a consecutive number

For example current Robin VOL 1.5.1 means:
    - Major version: 1
    - Testing / pre-release version: 5
    - Minor version 1

If we change something during this pre-release stage, new versions will become 1.5.2, 1.5.3, ...

For the release date on July/1, the version released will be 1.6.0. Since then, the new features will be implemented in 1.7.x until we release in the future a stable 1.8.0.

Walk Forward by itself deserves a 2.0.0 release for example. New strategies deserves a major version too.

I will add a new post in this thread for every minor and major release.
Title: Re: New releases
Post by: fmonera on June 16, 2012, 12:18:36 PM
FOREX Robin VOL 1.5.2

I released this version to fix a calculation error on the "initialBalance" option (it wasn't taking into account the swap). The initial balance option is only used if you want the EA to manage just a portion of your capital instead all your capital.

There is no need to update the EA if you don't use this option.
Title: Re: Backtesting problems
Post by: websmith on June 16, 2012, 01:04:39 PM
I run FGB on default and Josep (3/60/3) settings. Now when I use Rob Vol is it worth to use FGB with Josep settings? I mean will strategy 1 will trade similar to FGB on Josep (3/60/3)?
Title: Re: Backtesting problems
Post by: fmonera on June 16, 2012, 02:01:22 PM
I run FGB on default and Josep (3/60/3) settings. Now when I use Rob Vol is it worth to use FGB with Josep settings? I mean will strategy 1 will trade similar to FGB on Josep (3/60/3)?

I tried to make strat-1 as similar to fgb as possible. It doesn't trade exactly the same way but similar enough to avoid running both EAs at the same time.

The differences are higher on different settings. When setting "slowvol" to over 100 or when setting "fastvol" to above 5. For example, I am at the moment exploring M1 settings with slowvol around 900.
Title: Re: Backtesting problems
Post by: robl45 on June 16, 2012, 03:05:02 PM
I was getting the few trade thing too.  now it works since I switched the platform

i did actuallly get a backtesting problem last night, was doing a lot of tests and then all of a sudden it wouldn't trade.  closing and reopening solved it.
Title: Re: Releasing fmonera's Robin VOL
Post by: robl45 on June 16, 2012, 03:34:41 PM
My first backtest with default settings, quite impressive!

that wouldn't even get me excited. i like to see millions.  and millions with reasonable drawdown :)  best I got is 130 million from 200 dollars with 40% drawdown.  I can live with that.
Title: Re: Releasing fmonera's Robin VOL
Post by: sponn on June 16, 2012, 04:09:11 PM
My first backtest with default settings, quite impressive!

that wouldn't even get me excited. i like to see millions.  and millions with reasonable drawdown :)  best I got is 130 million from 200 dollars with 40% drawdown.  I can live with that.

I have got 2000 usd on my account. Does it mean that I can make 1,30 billion in 10 years :D

I will take my chance then LOL
Title: Re: Releasing fmonera's Robin VOL
Post by: robl45 on June 16, 2012, 04:14:04 PM
My first backtest with default settings, quite impressive!

that wouldn't even get me excited. i like to see millions.  and millions with reasonable drawdown :)  best I got is 130 million from 200 dollars with 40% drawdown.  I can live with that.

I have got 2000 usd on my account. Does it mean that I can make 1,30 billion in 10 years :D

I will take my chance then LOL

if your broker doesn't disconnect and cause missed trade, if your vps is stable, then in theory, yes you could assuming it keeps performing this way.  I test with 2.2 spread to keep it realistic unlike some other vendors and such that are testing with 1.2 spreads on the eurusd.

another reason you run the crazy backtests is to stress test it.  You can make 90% of EA's look nice if you test them with low risk, but once you up the risk, they fall apart very quickly.
Title: Re: Releasing fmonera's Robin VOL
Post by: fmonera on June 16, 2012, 04:36:02 PM
Second strategy

The second strategy of FOREX Robin VOL is designed to trade on retracements of volatility breakouts in the direction of the breakout. It is not designed to be traded alone, but as a complement to strategy 1. Anyways, I am publishing here the behavior of this strategy already implemented on default settings.

(https://donnaforex.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fclip2net.com%2Fclip%2Fm77417%2F1339860333-clip-94kb.png&hash=5c33f88230582af3f89f02ab9c6ab76e)
Title: Re: Backtesting problems
Post by: robl45 on June 16, 2012, 05:24:30 PM
can anyone get optimizations to run?  running regular tests works fine, but as soon as I try optimization, the platform crashes,  had this yesterday with the collective demo platform and getting it with alpari uk platform now that I tried to optimize.  I did get optimization to finally run yesterday on collective platform one time, but on the alpari demo I can't get it to run at all.
Title: Re: Releasing fmonera's Robin VOL
Post by: Tradenow on June 16, 2012, 06:12:12 PM
Hi,

1.5.2 is up and running now but i missed which timeframe we should use.
Sorry if this was mentioned before.  :D

best regards
Mark
Title: Re: Releasing fmonera's Robin VOL
Post by: robl45 on June 16, 2012, 06:47:44 PM
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Title: Positive feedback and general experience
Post by: Makeda on June 16, 2012, 06:57:51 PM
Thought it might be helpful to fmonera to just post a brief comment on your experience with the product.  Don't want to clog up the problem/error threads with this information.  However, the user experience is also important if it is positive.  Feel free to add any comments here.
Title: Re: Positive feedback and general experience
Post by: Makeda on June 16, 2012, 07:01:51 PM
Easy purchase using Avangard.  Download link and receipt received within a few minutes.  1.5.1 Loaded on CNS VPS demo Windows 2003 server acct ILQ with no problems whatsoever.  Quite smooth.  Worth noting, I have Guardian  :-X running on this VPS for another EA, but no issues. Other MT4 platforms/brokers running on same VPS.  EA loaded, started 1 min. time frame as requested.  No issues noted.  All is well so far. Will test further on m15.
Makeda
Title: Re: Releasing fmonera's Robin VOL
Post by: fmonera on June 16, 2012, 07:10:26 PM
Hi,

1.5.2 is up and running now but i missed which timeframe we should use.
Sorry if this was mentioned before.  :D

best regards
Mark

Default settings are for EURUSD M15. After the release there will be more setups.
Title: Re: Releasing fmonera's Robin VOL
Post by: Makeda on June 16, 2012, 07:10:54 PM
Just a general user experience for those wondering.  Purchase, download and set up ran very smooth and easy. Took only a few minutes.  No problems loading, even with Guardian  :-X lurking on my CNS VPS. Started trades as billed right away. 8)

Makeda
Title: Re: Releasing fmonera's Robin VOL
Post by: fmonera on June 16, 2012, 07:15:55 PM
Just a general user experience for those wondering.  Purchase, download and set up ran very smooth and easy. Took only a few minutes.  No problems loading, even with Guardian  :-X lurking on my CNS VPS. Started trades as billed right away. 8)

Makeda

Thanks for your words Makeda  :D . Just to be clear: Robin VOL does not use Guardian at all.

My experience with Guardian is very bad. I had MT4 crashes caused by Guardian being loaded in the background, even without EAs using it.
Title: Re: Positive feedback and general experience
Post by: fmonera on June 16, 2012, 07:37:15 PM
Thanks a lot Makeda :D

I will need real testimonials for the web site made by real users. But not until you are sure that the EA behaves as expected and you made money with it.

Once the EA is well tested and you or any other user is satisfied, it would be nice to write a small paragraph with your experience.
Title: Re: Releasing fmonera's Robin VOL
Post by: Tradenow on June 16, 2012, 07:46:09 PM
thanks all :D
Title: Re: Releasing fmonera's Robin VOL
Post by: Makeda on June 16, 2012, 08:05:27 PM
Thanks for clarifying my statement. Robinvol  does not use Guardian, sorry if my post implied that.  Unfortunately it is required by a different EA on my VPS.  But the good news, I still had no issues with installing Robinvol. Thanks fmonera!
Title: Re: Releasing fmonera's Robin VOL
Post by: JonnoB on June 17, 2012, 12:07:13 AM
Official backtest of FOREX Robin VOL 1.5.1

Here is the first official backtest. I will generate a lot of backtests with different configurations (settings, spread, ...) but this is the first one.

 - 2000/01/01 to 2012/05/30
 - default settings
 - risk=1.3%
 - spread=1.5
 - asirikuy high-quality data


Quite impressive. Looking forward to the release.
Title: Re: Backtesting problems
Post by: Curtis_S on June 17, 2012, 01:46:31 AM
In my backtests lot size seems to be capped at 50. Why?
Title: Re: Backtesting problems
Post by: robl45 on June 17, 2012, 02:16:49 AM
In my backtests lot size seems to be capped at 50. Why?

It all depends ok the demo account you are using.  Try alpari uk
Title: Re: Positive feedback and general experience
Post by: jshear on June 17, 2012, 04:09:16 AM
So far my experience with this EA has been excellent. I was able to install on demo account with no issues.Upgrading to newer build was easy too. The on screen display on the charts is excellent too explaining all details of the EA. Look forward to this weeks trading too!!


Cheers

Jeff :)
Title: Re: Releasing fmonera's Robin VOL
Post by: crashev on June 17, 2012, 08:06:37 AM
Official backtest of FOREX Robin VOL 1.5.1

Here is the first official backtest. I will generate a lot of backtests with different configurations (settings, spread, ...) but this is the first one.

 - 2000/01/01 to 2012/05/30
 - default settings
 - risk=1.3%
 - spread=1.5
 - asirikuy high-quality data


Quite impressive. Looking forward to the release.

Where can I get asirikuy high-quality data ?
Is it free? Is it better than http://www.forex-historical.com/ ?
Title: Re: Releasing fmonera's Robin VOL
Post by: fmonera on June 17, 2012, 09:23:36 AM
Official backtest of FOREX Robin VOL 1.5.1

Here is the first official backtest. I will generate a lot of backtests with different configurations (settings, spread, ...) but this is the first one.

 - 2000/01/01 to 2012/05/30
 - default settings
 - risk=1.3%
 - spread=1.5
 - asirikuy high-quality data


Quite impressive. Looking forward to the release.

Where can I get asirikuy high-quality data ?
Is it free? Is it better than http://www.forex-historical.com/ ?

Asirikuy is a paid training community. You have to be a member to get the data.

I don't know if it is better than forex-historical one. I still didn't receive forex-historical data.
Title: Re: Releasing fmonera's Robin VOL
Post by: crashev on June 17, 2012, 09:30:02 AM
Official backtest of FOREX Robin VOL 1.5.1

Here is the first official backtest. I will generate a lot of backtests with different configurations (settings, spread, ...) but this is the first one.

 - 2000/01/01 to 2012/05/30
 - default settings
 - risk=1.3%
 - spread=1.5
 - asirikuy high-quality data


Quite impressive. Looking forward to the release.

Where can I get asirikuy high-quality data ?
Is it free? Is it better than http://www.forex-historical.com/ ?

Asirikuy is a paid training community. You have to be a member to get the data.

I don't know if it is better than forex-historical one. I still didn't receive forex-historical data.

What I like - at first glance - about forex-historical is that it's REAL RAW data, not filtered. A lot of spikes You see there You can see only trading API like FIX-Api - good example here is LMAX.

If You open LMAX webtrader vs. LMAX Metatrader4 (for example last Sunday/Monday gap) - You will see that in webtrader there are spikes that do not occur in MT4 (probably because something filters them as bad ticks).

As I think the most advenced EA developers will move soon to the better places to trade than MT4, we should have a real raw backtest feed as the one from historical in order to survive there, where there are much more ticks per seconds, moves are more volatile, but also we the execution speeds can be as low as 20ms-50ms.

Sorry to put this in this topic, but I don't think this is enough to start a new one.
Title: Re: Backtesting problems
Post by: Curtis_S on June 17, 2012, 10:32:49 AM
Thanks, robl45. +rep. Alpari also has a limit, but it is much higher at 99999 lot.
Title: Features / Settings
Post by: Curtis_S on June 17, 2012, 11:41:07 AM
I don't understand the difference between

- using riskPercent

and

- setting atrAdjustedMM to true.

Both settings can be set independent of each other. Both their names imply they adapt the lot size to risking a certain percentage of the account. But shouldn't using riskPercent alone already adapt lot size to volatility? Some clarification would be nice.
Title: Re: Backtesting problems
Post by: sponn on June 17, 2012, 11:43:56 AM
Thanks, robl45. +rep. Alpari also has a limit, but it is much higher at 99999 lot.

LOL you get 99999 lots in a BT... what backtest are you making guys ? We all know that Robin Vol is a great bot but I'm afraid even with it you can't make 1 000 000 usd from 1000 in one week :D
Title: Re: Features / Settings
Post by: sponn on June 17, 2012, 11:56:34 AM
From the manual

* atrAdjustedMM: Means if the EA should adjust the trade size to the market volatility, decreasing the lot size
on volatile markets when stop loss and take profit levels are wide, and increasing the lot size on non-volatile markets.
The idea is to earn (or loss) approximately the same percentage of the account no matter how volatile is the market.
By default it is false.

So when true - bigger market volatility = smaller than %set lot size, smaller market volatility = bigger lot size (hard to say how much they are from initial risk% - I'm sure that fmonera can tell us more here).
Title: Re: Features / Settings
Post by: fmonera on June 17, 2012, 12:23:38 PM
When you use riskPercent you will risk a percentage of the account on each trade (normal anti-martingale position sizing). This position sizing is a good practice. Lots are higher when the account balance increases and lower when the account balance decreases.

Robin VOL sets the Stop Loss and Take Profit on trades based on the recent range of the market. So on low volatility periods, both Stop Loss and Take profit will be closer to the entry price and on high volatility periods, SL and TP will be wider.

As you are risking a percentage of your account in each trade, on high volatility periods you are risking more money than on low volatility periods.

With atrAdjustedMM, the recent range of the market is included in the position sizing formula. So on low volatility periods the position size is increased and on high volatility periods the position size is decreased.

This way, you are always risking the same no matter what is the volatility of the market.

I think that it is more correct (in terms of future profitability) to set it to true, but backtest results are better with this setting off (normal anti-martingale).
Title: Re: Backtesting problems
Post by: robl45 on June 17, 2012, 04:28:15 PM
you need the higher lots because if it goes fixed lot by the end of the test then the test changes and you don't have the most valid test.
Title: Re: Features / Settings
Post by: Curtis_S on June 17, 2012, 04:55:50 PM
When determining lot size for risking a percentage of the balance (riskPercent), volatility is already taken into account as it determines the distance from entry to stop loss. There should be no additional need to use atrAdjustedMM.

Example:

I want to risk 1 % (= riskPercent) of 100,000 USD. That is 1,000 USD. To risk this amount I calculate what lot size I need to loose 1,000 USD for the distance from entry to the stop loss, which could be 18 pips. For 1 lot 1 pip change is a change of 10 USD. So, with 1 lot I will lose 180 USD for a 18 pip move. For a loss of 1,000 USD I need a lot size of 1,000 USD / 180 USD = 5.55.


Where am I wrong? Is it that riskPercent does not determine exactly how much will be lost when sl is hit, but some average?
Title: Re: Features / Settings
Post by: robl45 on June 17, 2012, 05:06:41 PM
When determining lot size for risking a percentage of the balance (riskPercent), volatility is already taken into account as it determines the distance from entry to stop loss. There should be no additional need to use atrAdjustedMM.

Example:

I want to risk 1 % (= riskPercent) of 100,000 USD. That is 1,000 USD. To risk this amount I calculate what lot size I need to loose 1,000 USD for the distance from entry to the stop loss, which could be 18 pips. For 1 lot 1 pip change is a change of 10 USD. So, with 1 lot I will lose 180 USD for a 18 pip move. For a loss of 1,000 USD I need a lot size of 1,000 USD / 180 USD = 5.55.


Where am I wrong? Is it that riskPercent does not determine exactly how much will be lost when sl is hit, but some average?

ATR will more or less keep your losses and gains consistent.  without ATR, if you have a big volatility period, the stops will be much wider so you aren't winning and losing the same each time.

on backtests, non atr works much better.

fixed lots actually works the best on this bot, but if you do fixed increasing lots, then when you hit a drawdown, the account will blow depending on the risk settings.
Title: Re: Features / Settings
Post by: fmonera on June 17, 2012, 05:54:05 PM
When determining lot size for risking a percentage of the balance (riskPercent), volatility is already taken into account as it determines the distance from entry to stop loss. There should be no additional need to use atrAdjustedMM.

Example:

I want to risk 1 % (= riskPercent) of 100,000 USD. That is 1,000 USD. To risk this amount I calculate what lot size I need to loose 1,000 USD for the distance from entry to the stop loss, which could be 18 pips. For 1 lot 1 pip change is a change of 10 USD. So, with 1 lot I will lose 180 USD for a 18 pip move. For a loss of 1,000 USD I need a lot size of 1,000 USD / 180 USD = 5.55.


Where am I wrong? Is it that riskPercent does not determine exactly how much will be lost when sl is hit, but some average?

Without atrAdjustedMM, the position sizing is just proportional to the account balance.

When you set atrAdjustedMM, the position sizing is calculated more or less how you describe in your example. And this is why I think it is better. But it is a fact that backtest is better without it.
Title: Re: Features / Settings
Post by: Curtis_S on June 17, 2012, 06:38:31 PM
When doing visiual backtests with using riskPercent I could now easily see what it means (compared to using atrAdjustedMM). The term riskPercent was a bit misleading to me because I was expecting that percentage to be lost when sl is hit.

Thanks for explaining.
Title: Strategy Discussion
Post by: Curtis_S on June 17, 2012, 07:42:17 PM
Is Strategy 2 adding value?

We all know that combining different strategies will increase profitability in their combined backtest as long as their DD periods do not match. The more strategies you combine the better the profitability of the portfolio. Such combined backtests tend to underestimate true portfolio DD in forward tests (times of overall increased market efficiency).

Therefore, I ask myself:

Is Strategy 2 really adding value when taking future potential correlated DD into account?
Should Strategy 2 rather be analyzed on it's own like any other EA?
Can/Should Strategy 2 be replaced by another EA to increase combined profitability?

By just analyzing backtests S2 increases profitability by 19 % when measured by AAR/Max. DD and Max. DD is set to about 50%.
Title: Re: Strategy Discussion
Post by: fmonera on June 17, 2012, 08:20:25 PM
Is Strategy 2 adding value?

We all know that combining different strategies will increase profitability in their combined backtest as long as their DD periods do not match. The more strategies you combine the better the profitability of the portfolio. Such combined backtests tend to underestimate true portfolio DD in forward tests (times of overall increased market efficiency).

Therefore, I ask myself:

Is Strategy 2 really adding value when taking future potential correlated DD into account?
Should Strategy 2 rather be analyzed on it's own like any other EA?
Can/Should Strategy 2 be replaced by another EA to increase combined profitability?

By just analyzing backtests S2 increases profitability by 19 % when measured by AAR/Max. DD and Max. DD is set to about 50%.

You are right Curtis. Portfolio trading tends to overestimate profits and underestimate drawdowns, so your question is perfectly logic. I have been reducing a lot the strategies running in each account after august/2011 for this very reason.

In the case of Robin VOL, it is different. Strategy 2 is not a real aditional independent strategy. It completely depends on Strategy 1:

 - It waits for Strategy 1 to generate an entry signal, creating a strength (or weakness) zone with SL and TP at the boundaries of the zone.

 - Then waits for a retracement in this strength/weakness zone. If conditions are met, it adds positions to Strategy 1 sharing SL and TP

So Strategy 2 is not meant to be traded alone. It is just the best way I found to add more high probability entries to the Strategy 1.

Drawdown periods of both strategies will correlate a lot because they are not different strategies.

So due to that reasons I think the correlation of drawdowns is already included in the backtests. And I belive that we are still trading the same strategy just with 2000 more trades with better quality than the first strategy.

If you feel there is something that needs more clarity, don't hesitate to ask :)
Title: Re: Releasing fmonera's Robin VOL
Post by: sponn on June 17, 2012, 10:44:40 PM
I don't know if we should talking here or "members zone" but after putting Robin on 1min and set 1/60/0.4 I haven't got trades since market open... maybe spread is to high. Not sure
Title: Re: Releasing fmonera's Robin VOL
Post by: fmonera on June 17, 2012, 10:48:00 PM
I don't know if we should talking here or "members zone" but after putting Robin on 1min and set 1/60/0.4 I haven't got trades since market open... maybe spread is to high. Not sure

Better in the members zone. This configuration is only for testing that it opens positions, keep controling trades after restarts and so on (it should open trades almost on every bar but loose a lot of money very quickly).
Title: Re: Positive feedback and general experience
Post by: biedermeier on June 17, 2012, 10:57:04 PM
Just upgraded to V 1.5.2 without any problems. I guess the solution for keeping the EA running on one PC/VPS is the same technology as MS and BH is using. And even if those bots has not been the greatest I have never had a problem with the security technology.

I think it's a wise choice.
 
Title: Re: Features / Settings
Post by: SquareRoot on June 18, 2012, 12:54:16 AM
I'm running Robin on VPS on FXDD and IBFX demo accounts. When I started the EA today I see the following messages in the Expert tab ...

Robin-VOL-1.5.1: cannot delete file C:\...\experts\files\robin-vol-status-71588-EURUSD-15.dat
and same file with extension .csv

There are no files in the FILES folder hence the message. The EA is running properly.
Title: Re: Positive feedback and general experience
Post by: bjanssen on June 18, 2012, 01:00:18 AM
Just posting on initial experience.  Paid through Avangate and got an email saying that they need to verify my details.  I need to send a copy of my most recent bank statement, my drivers license and my passport.  I have done so and will now wait to see how long it takes them to verify my details and will let you know the outcome.
Quite annoying as I have never had an issue using this credit card anywhere else.
Looking forward to giving the EA a whirl!
BJ

EDIT: Took about 5 hours for them to validate credit card details. All seemed to go smoothly even if a little annoying.  At least they're being safe.
Title: Re: Features / Settings
Post by: fmonera on June 18, 2012, 01:17:02 AM
I'm running Robin on VPS on FXDD and IBFX demo accounts. When I started the EA today I see the following messages in the Expert tab ...

Robin-VOL-1.5.1: cannot delete file C:\...\experts\files\robin-vol-status-71588-EURUSD-15.dat
and same file with extension .csv

There are no files in the FILES folder hence the message. The EA is running properly.

Don't worry, it's harmless.

MQL4 doesn't have a function to check if a file exists, so the EA always tries to delete it during intialization even when the file isn't there.

I will call the Win API to make this check in future versions to make the initialization more elegant and avoid showing this message.
Title: Re: Positive feedback and general experience
Post by: AtlantaSean on June 18, 2012, 05:17:23 AM
So far everything seems good for my version 1.51. There were no problems getting the bot from the payment processor, the security seemed to work fine, and the bot installed correctly even when another MT4 terminal was open. Performance has been glitch free on demo as far as I can tell. Trading Eur/Usd, Eur/Cad both 15m charts. In the middle of open trades I've been adjusting parameters and turning the terminal on & off with no loss of trades. Have not attempted to close trades because fmonera said that was a known error.
Title: Re: Features / Settings
Post by: Tradenow on June 18, 2012, 07:51:32 AM
so all is up and running on my real live test account. switched the account temp. to puplic but there are a lot of eas running.  :D

best regards
Mark
Title: Re: Releasing fmonera's Robin VOL
Post by: Tradenow on June 18, 2012, 07:55:17 AM
Robin vol up and running real live on account in sig.  :-*

best regards
Mark
Title: Re: Releasing fmonera's Robin VOL
Post by: fmonera on June 18, 2012, 08:21:53 AM
Robin vol up and running real live on account in sig.  :-*

best regards
Mark

Please, let it run on demo for 3 or 4 days first. There are hardware/software configurations that I still didn't validate. That is the point of the pre-release.

If you run it live, please, 0.01 lots for some days.
Title: Re: Features / Settings
Post by: fmonera on June 18, 2012, 09:01:02 AM
I am exploring M5 settings around SlowVol=200. Some interesting settings there:

For example, 10/200/1.5/0.6/0.18 generates a lot of trades and a decent equity curve:

(https://donnaforex.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fclip2net.com%2Fclip%2Fm77417%2F1340006311-clip-73kb.png&hash=4334202a9a2bc8533fab35205c627855)

But I will be focusing on AUDUSD and USDJPY for today. I will keep you updated.
Title: Re: Releasing fmonera's Robin VOL
Post by: Tradenow on June 18, 2012, 09:10:02 AM
Robin vol up and running real live on account in sig.  :-*

best regards
Mark

Please, let it run on demo for 3 or 4 days first. There are hardware/software configurations that I still didn't validate. That is the point of the pre-release.

If you run it live, please, 0.01 lots for some days.

yes no problem. i am running only with 0.01lots and watch closely since yesterday night. so far all is fine and no unusual trades or errors.  ;)

best regards
Mark
Title: Re: Positive feedback and general experience
Post by: sponn on June 18, 2012, 10:19:24 AM
Where is negative feedback topic ? Lol

I have installed it without a problem. I have put it on new demo on 1m chatt to check how it works. I have got no trades so after asking fmonera i have restarted mt4. When i woke up 5gmt still no trades so  I thought that maybe it's a good time to restart vps. I have done it and....

After restart none of my mt4 want work. All of them were going to load... And close just after start. Fgb not working, blackbelt as well, 3 forex envys too, only one terminal started - gap trader and trendosob (on the same mt4).

I have to go to work so I'm in the middle of getting all back from my ipad.

V 1.5.1, vps 4 solutions 2008, guardian, 8 mt4
Title: Re: Positive feedback and general experience
Post by: Curtis_S on June 18, 2012, 10:37:33 AM
Spoon,

even on M1 the entry criteria have not been met yet. The entry signal line of the user interface displays this: "current entry signal measure" / "required entry signal measure".

I have lowered the criteria to 3/60/1 and a trade was entered.
Title: Re: Positive feedback and general experience
Post by: timetotrade on June 18, 2012, 10:55:03 AM
Hi all

Ok as a pretester i have download the bot and setup. Very easy to download, hassle free and just setup and running some backtests ATM.

Using default setting with fix lots for now on the EU 15m with gomarketsaus. Chart pretty much straight up, looks impressive at first glance.

Going to setup a live and demo account over the next day and post the stats info. But will do some indepth backtests on the EU for now on different time frames.

Cheers :)
Title: Re: Positive feedback and general experience
Post by: fmonera on June 18, 2012, 10:58:03 AM
Spoon,

even on M1 the entry criteria have not been met yet. The entry signal line of the user interface displays this: "current entry signal measure" / "required entry signal measure".

I have lowered the criteria to 3/60/1 and a trade was entered.

With 1/60/0.4 you should get the following trading frequency (remember this settings are only for testing, they loose a lot of money quickly):

(https://donnaforex.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fclip2net.com%2Fclip%2Fm77417%2F1340013578-clip-25kb.png&hash=67f16a35ef8be5d2252f7d35c1ca9f44)
Title: Re: Features / Settings
Post by: robl45 on June 18, 2012, 12:20:35 PM
I am exploring M5 settings around SlowVol=200. Some interesting settings there:

For example, 10/200/1.5/0.6/0.18 generates a lot of trades and a decent equity curve:

(https://donnaforex.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fclip2net.com%2Fclip%2Fm77417%2F1340006311-clip-73kb.png&hash=4334202a9a2bc8533fab35205c627855)

But I will be focusing on AUDUSD and USDJPY for today. I will keep you updated.

that looks like decent m5 settings, be nice if other things would work.

don't know that I would waste time with audusd though, it seems to trade the same as eurusd and for me I never have good luck with it.
Title: Re: Features / Settings
Post by: timetotrade on June 18, 2012, 01:02:07 PM
Not sure if this has been talked about already. But what setting would i use for friday closing date and time of the market.

Defualt is set to:
fridayclosing day 5
friday closing hour 21

I am with gomarketsaus (GMT2) timezone.
Title: Re: computer quantity limit
Post by: timetotrade on June 18, 2012, 01:08:31 PM
Yes to hard to optimize and do in depth tests on VPS, takes up far to much memory, as i have discoverd tonight.

So how can we swap and change from home PC to VPS when we need to optimize etc, is there some easier way of doing this.

But doesn't everyone install first on home machine to test before moving to vps?  You can't backtest on a vps
Title: Documentation
Post by: fmonera on June 18, 2012, 01:19:10 PM
There will be a proper document for the release, but for the moment, here you have some of the features documented:


=== Brief documentation for the pre-release ===

== Robin VOL Options ==

* atrAdjustedMM: Means if the EA should adjust the trade size to the market volatility, decreasing the lot size
on volatile markets when stop loss and take profit levels are wide, and increasing the lot size on non-volatile markets.
The idea is to earn (or loss) approximately the same percentage of the account no matter how volatile is the market.
By default it is false.

* KeepTradeSizeInBasket: Once the first position is opened, the remaining positions will always have the same lot size.

* UseMinLotIfUnderMinimum: If calculated lot size is below the minimum lot allowed by the broker, the EA will not trade
unless you set this option to "true". In that case, the EA will trade minimum allowed lots. Take into account that you
will be risking more than what you configured in the settings.

* fridayClosingHour / fridayClosingDay: It is the SERVER time at which market closes for the weekend. It is used for two
things. The first one is that Robin VOL will deactivate bracketSLTP during weekends so that Stop Loss or Take Profit
are not touched due to weekend movements. The second one is for closing all the trades just before market closes in
case the option avoidTradesOverWeekend is set to true. For fridayClosingDay, put 0 for sunday, 1 for monday, ... 5 for
friday and 6 for saturday.
For example:
 - If your broker closes on friday at 22:00, you must set "fridayClosingDay=5" and "fridayClosingHour=22".
 - If your broker closes on saturday at 00:00, you must set "fridayClosingDay=6" and "fridayClosingHour=0".

* useBracketSLTP (true or false)
Sets a Stop Loss and a Take Profit distanced from the price by bracketSLTPatr times the recent range, updated every
time the price moves a minimum distance.
This is set as a security measure against server disconnections or other problems. As long as everything is right, this
Stop Loss and Take Profit levels should never be triggered by the price.
For backtesting, this mode is incompatible with "Open Prices Only". So if you want to test this feature, you should use
"every tick".
If you set useBracketSLTP to false, Robin VOL will not send StopLoss and TakeProfit to the server.

* bracketSLTPatr (double)
Rerpresent how far is the security Stop Loss and Take Profit. It is a multiplier of the recent range.

* useInitialBalance (true or false)
If true, it will use only the portion of the total capital specified in "initialBalance" to calculate the position
sizing instead of the total account balance.
If you will be using this feature, it is very important to activate "All History" in the Account History tab.
If false, it will use all the account to calculate the position sizing.

* initialBalance (double)
The amount of capital you want Robin VOL to manage. If useInitialBalance is false, then this parameter is ignored.



== Manual closing of trades ==

In this version, manual closing of trades or manual setting of Stop Loss or Take Profit is not allowed and it will
make the EA to behave erroneously. Manual trading is currently scheduled for next release.
Title: Re: Features / Settings
Post by: fmonera on June 18, 2012, 01:19:39 PM
Not sure if this has been talked about already. But what setting would i use for friday closing date and time of the market.

Defualt is set to:
fridayclosing day 5
friday closing hour 21

I am with gomarketsaus (GMT2) timezone.

I posted the documentation about this here: http://www.donnaforex.com/forum/index.php?topic=6110.0
Title: Re: computer quantity limit
Post by: fmonera on June 18, 2012, 01:20:55 PM
Yes to hard to optimize and do in depth tests on VPS, takes up far to much memory, as i have discoverd tonight.

So how can we swap and change from home PC to VPS when we need to optimize etc, is there some easier way of doing this.

But doesn't everyone install first on home machine to test before moving to vps?  You can't backtest on a vps

No. You have to send me a PM and coordinate the change. It cannot be automated.
Title: Re: Features / Settings
Post by: timetotrade on June 18, 2012, 01:22:49 PM
Ok thanks. I did not check that part. :)

Not sure if this has been talked about already. But what setting would i use for friday closing date and time of the market.

Defualt is set to:
fridayclosing day 5
friday closing hour 21

I am with gomarketsaus (GMT2) timezone.

I posted the documentation about this here: http://www.donnaforex.com/forum/index.php?topic=6110.0
Title: Re: Features / Settings
Post by: fmonera on June 18, 2012, 01:44:00 PM
Just comment that useBracketSLTP is highly recomended on any live or demo settings.

It is disabled by default just because it is incompatible with "open prices only" on backtests. But you should activate it always.
Title: Demo testing
Post by: fmonera on June 18, 2012, 01:50:43 PM
For those of you who have already put Robin VOL in demo, I would like to know if it already opened and closed trades and if it is behaving as expected.

Thanks
Title: Re: Backtesting problems
Post by: fmonera on June 18, 2012, 01:54:08 PM
Can you post if you still had any problems backtesting or optimizing the EA? I still don't know if there is a problem in this part of the EA or the problems were caused by MT4 installation.

If you can backtest and optimize, please, say it so too.

Thanks.
Title: Re: Features / Settings
Post by: timetotrade on June 18, 2012, 01:54:08 PM
Well testing on EU 15min default setting, it is clearly better to be using S1 & S2 combined, not just S1.

So the S2 strategy is fantastic. More trades and more profit, with only a small increase in DD.
Title: Re: Demo testing
Post by: jshear on June 18, 2012, 01:57:47 PM
I have on demo and a few live accounts.  Advanced Markets opened a trade today around same time as Growthbot for same loss. All other accounts no trades.Advanced markets .1 lot was live.
Title: Re: Demo testing
Post by: fmonera on June 18, 2012, 02:00:48 PM
I have on demo and a few live accounts.  Advanced Markets opened a trade today around same time as Growthbot for same loss. All other accounts no trades.Advanced markets .1 lot was live.

You are not using default settings on Advanced Markets, right? Volatility was too low to generate a signal.
Title: Re: Demo testing
Post by: jshear on June 18, 2012, 02:05:16 PM
No default settings here is screen shot of my platform.


Jeff
Title: Re: Demo testing
Post by: fmonera on June 18, 2012, 02:13:16 PM
Does Advanced Markets have the sunday candle? This candle will affect the strategy on all mondays until the start of NY session. Statistically it shouldn't affect in the long term.
Title: Re: Demo testing
Post by: jshear on June 18, 2012, 02:17:59 PM
They open at 5pm eastern time when most brokers open and are GMT +1 so yes they have sunday candles.




Jeff
Title: Re: Demo testing
Post by: websmith on June 18, 2012, 03:59:36 PM
there are no trades on Alpari, Pepperstone, ThinkForex, TadawullFX, Insta, FXDD. All live accounts.
Title: Re: Positive feedback and general experience
Post by: eurosmarter on June 18, 2012, 04:00:36 PM
No matter how hard I tried ,I just couldn't decompile it, this is a good sign.
Title: Re: Demo testing
Post by: Curtis_S on June 18, 2012, 04:19:12 PM
With default settings on Alpari: No trades.

With relaxed entry settings on Pepperstone on M1: Many trades opened and closed as expected.
Title: Re: Positive feedback and general experience
Post by: biedermeier on June 18, 2012, 04:27:31 PM
I put it down to 1 min and 1/60/0.4 and yes it trades like a maniac.  :D
Going back to standard again cause I would like to see how it does in "real" life.
Title: Re: computer quantity limit
Post by: jshear on June 18, 2012, 04:39:46 PM
Change is easy I did mine last night from one of my demo computers to one of my live computers for EA trading all trading from my office with private VPS and power back up here.


Cheers

Jeff
Title: Re: Demo testing
Post by: timetotrade on June 18, 2012, 05:22:31 PM
Ok i just set up a demo account with gomarketsaus. We will see how it goes.

EU 15 min
Title: Re: Demo testing
Post by: SquareRoot on June 18, 2012, 06:04:37 PM
I'm trading demo accounts on FXDD and IBFX with default settings on M15 on VPS.

No trades on FXDD. However, IBFx had 4 trades. See attached screen shot.

Title: Re: Demo testing
Post by: Makeda on June 18, 2012, 06:17:10 PM
opened trades fine on ILQ with 1 minute settings.  Now on Default settings and no trades yet. 

Also, put on MB trading with 1 lot =10,000 and risk % calculated correctly.  Worked great, tried different sizes and fixed lots.  No problems.
Title: Re: Backtesting problems
Post by: Makeda on June 18, 2012, 06:28:04 PM
Able to backtest no problems.
Makeda
Title: Re: Demo testing
Post by: fmonera on June 18, 2012, 06:43:41 PM
With default settings on Alpari: No trades.

With relaxed entry settings on Pepperstone on M1: Many trades opened and closed as expected.

Thanks a lot Curtis. That was a very useful test for me.
Title: Re: Demo testing
Post by: fmonera on June 18, 2012, 06:45:50 PM
I'm trading demo accounts on FXDD and IBFX with default settings on M15 on VPS.

No trades on FXDD. However, IBFx had 4 trades. See attached screen shot.

IBFX as far as I know have sunday candles too. On mondays you will have slighty different trades (on all EAs by the way). Nothing to worry about, at least for Robin VOL.
Title: Re: Demo testing
Post by: fmonera on June 18, 2012, 06:50:37 PM
opened trades fine on ILQ with 1 minute settings.  Now on Default settings and no trades yet. 

Also, put on MB trading with 1 lot =10,000 and risk % calculated correctly.  Worked great, tried different sizes and fixed lots.  No problems.

Thanks a lot to you Makeda too. That was very useful.

It would be nice if someone could try on Trading Point real that the position sizing is correct (I think it offers pico lots).
Title: Re: Positive feedback and general experience
Post by: fmonera on June 18, 2012, 06:56:39 PM
No matter how hard I tried ,I just couldn't decompile it, this is a good sign.

What is the problem, the DLLs or the ex4?
Title: Re: Positive feedback and general experience
Post by: fmonera on June 18, 2012, 06:58:01 PM
I put it down to 1 min and 1/60/0.4 and yes it trades like a maniac.  :D
Going back to standard again cause I would like to see how it does in "real" life.

Thanks a lot. I appreciate this stress test. Please, tell me the broker where you did your tests.
Title: Re: Features / Settings
Post by: fmonera on June 18, 2012, 07:04:27 PM
Well testing on EU 15min default setting, it is clearly better to be using S1 & S2 combined, not just S1.

So the S2 strategy is fantastic. More trades and more profit, with only a small increase in DD.

Yes, second strategy is very good I think. And I believe it will not suffer from the portfolio trading problem. As I wrote before, it is not a strategy, it is just a way to milk the volatility breakout even more :P

If there is a false breakout and the first strategy is going to loose, then the second will dig deeper into the hole. So as always, good position sizing is a must.
Title: Re: Demo testing
Post by: sponn on June 18, 2012, 07:09:19 PM
opened trades fine on ILQ with 1 minute settings.  Now on Default settings and no trades yet. 

Also, put on MB trading with 1 lot =10,000 and risk % calculated correctly.  Worked great, tried different sizes and fixed lots.  No problems.

Thanks a lot to you Makeda too. That was very useful.

It would be nice if someone could try on Trading Point real that the position sizing is correct (I think it offers pico lots).

Will try in a minute;)
Title: Re: Positive feedback and general experience
Post by: biedermeier on June 18, 2012, 07:10:53 PM
I put it down to 1 min and 1/60/0.4 and yes it trades like a maniac.  :D
Going back to standard again cause I would like to see how it does in "real" life.

Thanks a lot. I appreciate this stress test. Please, tell me the broker where you did your tests.

So far all tests have been done on FinFX. Right now I have 2 VPS and need to move over some brokers to the same VPS as I have Robin installed.
Title: Re: Demo testing
Post by: biedermeier on June 18, 2012, 07:15:24 PM
Demo testing on FinFX and a live account on Synergy. No strange behavior.
Title: Re: Demo testing
Post by: sponn on June 18, 2012, 07:19:38 PM
Hmm

TradingPoint Cent Account with 1200 usd balance

I have set 0.05%, 0.5%, 1.0% and in every case I have lot size=0.00
Title: Re: Demo testing
Post by: fmonera on June 18, 2012, 07:22:55 PM
Hmm

TradingPoint Cent Account with 1200 usd balance

I have set 0.05%, 0.5%, 1.0% and in every case I have lot size=0.00

What risk do you need to put to trade 0.01?
Title: Re: Demo testing
Post by: sponn on June 18, 2012, 07:26:24 PM
It's risk setting here is a pic



Title: Re: Demo testing
Post by: sponn on June 18, 2012, 07:27:51 PM
With 10% risk I have got 0.10 lot size
Title: Re: Demo testing
Post by: sponn on June 18, 2012, 07:35:02 PM
Everything from 0.01 to 4.07% results 0.00 lots
Everything from 4.08% to 20% results 0.10 lots
20.01% is 0.20 lots
25% is still 0.20 lots
but 28% is 0.30 lots
but 30.01% is 0.40 lots

Strange behavior ;)
I haven't tried it live on 1min


It's cent account.

For normal account (Demo) everything looks fine - with 100 000 usd
1.72% gives 1.72 lot
2% gives 2.00 lot etc
And it's placing trades like crazy with 3/60/0.4
Title: Re: Demo testing
Post by: fmonera on June 18, 2012, 07:38:32 PM
With 10% risk I have got 0.10 lot size

I see the problem. You are attaching the EA to EURUSD. The nano in Trading Point is eurusdmicro.

Please, attach it to eurusdmicro and do the test again.
Title: Re: Demo testing
Post by: sponn on June 18, 2012, 07:42:01 PM
With 10% risk I have got 0.10 lot size

I see the problem. You are attaching the EA to EURUSD. The nano in Trading Point is eurusdmicro.

Please, attach it to eurusdmicro and do the test again.

My fault... LOL. You have right. With micro everything working fine 1% gives 1.23 lot, 2% gives 2.45 (1227usd deposit).

Sorry again for my mistake.
Title: Re: Positive feedback and general experience
Post by: sponn on June 18, 2012, 07:45:50 PM
Stress test with Trading Point demo normal account is working. With FxPrimus ecn demo as well.

BTW both accounts are making almost the same trades. Of course prices are little different (1 min) but trades have got the same direction and the same tp/sl. They are beeing closed in the same way. So good sign !
Title: Re: Positive feedback and general experience
Post by: fmonera on June 18, 2012, 07:55:26 PM
Stress test with Trading Point demo normal account is working. With FxPrimus ecn demo as well.

BTW both accounts are making almost the same trades. Of course prices are little different (1 min) but trades have got the same direction and the same tp/sl. They are beeing closed in the same way. So good sign !

The only broker I saw up to now where results of the stress test is not acceptable is Liteforex. 20 second execution time and a lot of slippage and spread makes this test very erratic.
Title: Re: Demo testing
Post by: fmonera on June 18, 2012, 07:58:48 PM
With 10% risk I have got 0.10 lot size

I see the problem. You are attaching the EA to EURUSD. The nano in Trading Point is eurusdmicro.

Please, attach it to eurusdmicro and do the test again.

My fault... LOL. You have right. With micro everything working fine 1% gives 1.23 lot, 2% gives 2.45 (1227usd deposit).

Sorry again for my mistake.

Ok, so on Trading point it works too. I think the position sizing algorithm is rock solid now.

Someone could launch an optimization on two variables, for example, SL and TP it would be nice. Let it run for some hours.

The problems that Robl45 had are at the moment the priority.
Title: Re: Backtesting problems
Post by: deathlord on June 18, 2012, 10:07:17 PM
Haven't seen any problems with backtesting.
Title: Re: Positive feedback and general experience
Post by: eurosmarter on June 18, 2012, 10:17:59 PM
No matter how hard I tried ,I just couldn't decompile it, this is a good sign.

What is the problem, the DLLs or the ex4?

EX4, but that shouldn't be a problem at all, if it is compiled with the latest MT4 built it can't be decompiled easily because they are using a slightly different algorithm in the latest version.
Title: Re: Positive feedback and general experience
Post by: fmonera on June 18, 2012, 10:23:41 PM
No matter how hard I tried ,I just couldn't decompile it, this is a good sign.

What is the problem, the DLLs or the ex4?

EX4, but that shouldn't be a problem at all, if it is compiled with the latest MT4 built it can't be decompiled easily because they are using a slightly different algorithm in the latest version.

I am using 409 to build the EX4.
Title: Re: Backtesting problems
Post by: fmonera on June 18, 2012, 10:24:17 PM
Haven't seen any problems with backtesting.

Can you launch an optimization process?
Title: Re: Backtesting problems
Post by: deathlord on June 18, 2012, 10:27:35 PM
hm ... launching an optimization on the server with 16 active mt4 sessions would be a premiere ... but I'll look into it  8)
Title: Re: Backtesting problems
Post by: fmonera on June 18, 2012, 10:54:46 PM
hm ... launching an optimization on the server with 16 active mt4 sessions would be a premiere ... but I'll look into it  8)

In that case just launch it for one minute or less until you get the first setting and tell me if the terminal crashes. That would be very interesting information. It works correctly on all my hardware / software configurations, but on robl45 setup it crashed.
Title: Re: Backtesting problems
Post by: deathlord on June 18, 2012, 11:11:26 PM
No no, I will test it, since I am not running a VPS but a full scale server that is equivalent to my PC. It should be able to survive a backtest ... but we'll see  :)
Title: Re: Demo testing
Post by: SquareRoot on June 19, 2012, 12:59:13 AM
IBFX closed 4 short trades for small losses during the last hour. FXDD had no trades. The candles hi/lo vary from 3 to 6 pips between brokers during the post US session. This doesn't seem like it should be enough to make a difference but evidently it has.
Title: Re: Demo testing
Post by: fmonera on June 19, 2012, 01:06:29 AM
IBFX closed 4 short trades for small losses during the last hour. FXDD had no trades. The candles hi/lo vary from 3 to 6 pips between brokers during the post US session. This doesn't seem like it should be enough to make a difference but evidently it has.

Can you post a screenshot of the trades?
Title: Re: Demo testing
Post by: SquareRoot on June 19, 2012, 01:22:35 AM
IBFX closed 4 short trades for small losses during the last hour. FXDD had no trades. The candles hi/lo vary from 3 to 6 pips between brokers during the post US session. This doesn't seem like it should be enough to make a difference but evidently it has.

Can you post a screenshot of the trades?
Here's the chart.
Title: Re: Demo testing
Post by: fmonera on June 19, 2012, 01:32:49 AM
The four small losses are right (strategy 2). But I don't understand the trades in the middle (blue square in my picture). The volatility was not enough:

(https://donnaforex.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fclip2net.com%2Fclip%2Fm77417%2F1340065705-clip-158kb.png&hash=f93ae0db5614b17e173fbecba6ea8897)

I have setup an ibfx demo account to see if there is any difference.
Title: Re: Demo testing
Post by: timetotrade on June 19, 2012, 02:47:47 AM
When ever you restart the MT4 platform. The show info last backet information part resets so you lose track of the last basket of trades.

So far i have not had any issues in regard to losing control of open trades after MT4 restarts which is good. But The display part for last backtest of closed trades seems to reset its self on restart, so you have no idea of trades banked.

But most strange, why is it adding short trades as the market is rising. I thought it adds trades in the direction of the fall, not in the opposite way to the trend.
Title: Re: Demo testing
Post by: robl45 on June 19, 2012, 03:56:41 AM
When ever you restart the MT4 platform. The show info last backet information part resets so you lose track of the last basket of trades.

So far i have not had any issues in regard to losing control of open trades after MT4 restarts which is good. But The display part for last backtest of closed trades seems to reset its self on restart, so you have no idea of trades banked.

But most strange, why is it adding short trades as the market is rising. I thought it adds trades in the direction of the fall, not in the opposite way to the trend.

either you have a messed up broker or one of the settings is messed up, it shouldn't be taking any trades assuming you are on default.  strategy 2 could take trades going in the opposite direction from the trend but it would only do that up to a certain point coinciding with strategy 1.
Title: Re: Demo testing
Post by: AtlantaSean on June 19, 2012, 04:56:39 AM
Demo working fine. Live testing Alpari US ($2200) 1.5% risk and FXDD ($600) 2% risk with options atrmm, kts, brk selected. Using default strategy numbers no trades have occurred so far. Alpari has adjusted the lot size variably from .04 to .06 lots and FXDD has them changing .01 to .02 lots. I'm guessing this is normal because it's reading the market?
Title: Re: Demo testing
Post by: timetotrade on June 19, 2012, 05:11:38 AM
From the look off it, those last backet of short trades were from S2, however why did it not show those trades in the backtest. Does this issue have something to do with backtesting on the VPS or not.

If so then i guess i will have to swap and change from VPS to home PC to test, how confusing.

Forgot to post, i am running default except (S1) a few changes.

5/60/2 same as the old FGB settings for now. TP 0.3, SL 0.2. All other settings default.


When ever you restart the MT4 platform. The show info last backet information part resets so you lose track of the last basket of trades.

So far i have not had any issues in regard to losing control of open trades after MT4 restarts which is good. But The display part for last backtest of closed trades seems to reset its self on restart, so you have no idea of trades banked.

But most strange, why is it adding short trades as the market is rising. I thought it adds trades in the direction of the fall, not in the opposite way to the trend.

either you have a messed up broker or one of the settings is messed up, it shouldn't be taking any trades assuming you are on default.  strategy 2 could take trades going in the opposite direction from the trend but it would only do that up to a certain point coinciding with strategy 1.
Title: Re: computer quantity limit
Post by: timetotrade on June 19, 2012, 05:32:27 AM
When i swap from VPS to home to do some backtesting. Will that effect the platforms currently running on the VPS. I mean if you swap from VPS to home, will that stop my current going platforms from taking trades on the VPS or effect current open ones.

Yes to hard to optimize and do in depth tests on VPS, takes up far to much memory, as i have discoverd tonight.

So how can we swap and change from home PC to VPS when we need to optimize etc, is there some easier way of doing this.

But doesn't everyone install first on home machine to test before moving to vps?  You can't backtest on a vps

No. You have to send me a PM and coordinate the change. It cannot be automated.
Title: Re: computer quantity limit
Post by: timetotrade on June 19, 2012, 05:34:13 AM
Could you tell me how you swap from VPS to home PC please, from the look off it fmonera has to coordinate the change.

Thanks

Change is easy I did mine last night from one of my demo computers to one of my live computers for EA trading all trading from my office with private VPS and power back up here.


Cheers

Jeff
Title: Re: Demo testing
Post by: deathlord on June 19, 2012, 06:57:40 AM
Just to confirm, you are getting trades with non-standard settings? Because my Robin hasn't done anything so far ...
Title: Re: Demo testing
Post by: timetotrade on June 19, 2012, 07:03:55 AM
Well the settings i am using is pretty much default (so standard settings). Only thing i have changed is a few settings in S1, but that strategy is yet to trade. The last basket of trades that were closed on my demo were for a loss and were taken from S2 using default settings.

So i really have no idea why i got trades on S2, while you and others have nothing, considering we all seem to be using the same settings with strategy 2, so no idea what is going on. I have no errors or anything in journal tab.

Maybe fmonera can answer this issue.

Just to confirm, you are getting trades with non-standard settings? Because my Robin hasn't done anything so far ...
Title: Re: Demo testing
Post by: Tradenow on June 19, 2012, 07:39:15 AM
i also had no trades so far on my real money armada account. seems to be normal.
no errors in log.  :D

best regards
Mark
Title: Re: computer quantity limit
Post by: fmonera on June 19, 2012, 08:27:25 AM
The change cannot be automated. I have to do it manually.

The license allows the EA to run on one machine at the same time on unlimited accounts.


Could you tell me how you swap from VPS to home PC please, from the look off it fmonera has to coordinate the change.

Thanks

Change is easy I did mine last night from one of my demo computers to one of my live computers for EA trading all trading from my office with private VPS and power back up here.


Cheers

Jeff
Title: Re: Demo testing
Post by: fmonera on June 19, 2012, 08:34:50 AM
Demo working fine. Live testing Alpari US ($2200) 1.5% risk and FXDD ($600) 2% risk with options atrmm, kts, brk selected. Using default strategy numbers no trades have occurred so far. Alpari has adjusted the lot size variably from .04 to .06 lots and FXDD has them changing .01 to .02 lots. I'm guessing this is normal because it's reading the market?

It is normal only if you selected atrAdjustedMM. If this setting is disabled, the lot size should be proportional to the account balance always no matter the market.
Title: Re: Demo testing
Post by: fmonera on June 19, 2012, 08:42:35 AM
From the look off it, those last backet of short trades were from S2, however why did it not show those trades in the backtest. Does this issue have something to do with backtesting on the VPS or not.

The "Last basket results" is just a visual aid that don't influence the behavior of the EA. I just needed a quick way to know the outcome of the last group of trades. The group of trades is counted from the last closed operation to the period where there were no opened trades.

Quote
If so then i guess i will have to swap and change from VPS to home PC to test, how confusing.

Forgot to post, i am running default except (S1) a few changes.

5/60/2 same as the old FGB settings for now. TP 0.3, SL 0.2. All other settings default.

My advice is to backtest any setting you run and compare with other settings with a ratio that allows comparing the quality of the different settings.

I will post later today a detailed procedure on that which will be useful to all of you to analyze any EA.

And the videos and docs explainint strategy 2 will come before Jul/1.

When ever you restart the MT4 platform. The show info last backet information part resets so you lose track of the last basket of trades.

So far i have not had any issues in regard to losing control of open trades after MT4 restarts which is good. But The display part for last backtest of closed trades seems to reset its self on restart, so you have no idea of trades banked.

But most strange, why is it adding short trades as the market is rising. I thought it adds trades in the direction of the fall, not in the opposite way to the trend.

either you have a messed up broker or one of the settings is messed up, it shouldn't be taking any trades assuming you are on default.  strategy 2 could take trades going in the opposite direction from the trend but it would only do that up to a certain point coinciding with strategy 1.
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Title: Re: Demo testing
Post by: fmonera on June 19, 2012, 08:44:16 AM
Just to confirm, you are getting trades with non-standard settings? Because my Robin hasn't done anything so far ...

Please, post a screenshot so I can see your settings.
Title: Re: Demo testing
Post by: fmonera on June 19, 2012, 08:47:47 AM
Well the settings i am using is pretty much default (so standard settings). Only thing i have changed is a few settings in S1, but that strategy is yet to trade. The last basket of trades that were closed on my demo were for a loss and were taken from S2 using default settings.

So i really have no idea why i got trades on S2, while you and others have nothing, considering we all seem to be using the same settings with strategy 2, so no idea what is going on. I have no errors or anything in journal tab.

Maybe fmonera can answer this issue.

Just to confirm, you are getting trades with non-standard settings? Because my Robin hasn't done anything so far ...

I commented it last night. The trades on the blue square are what seems strange to me. There were not enough volatility to trigger. But the S2 entries are correct as they are using the weakness zone created by the trades on the blue square.

I have setup an IBFX MT4 demo to see if it behaves correctly or not.
Title: Re: Demo testing
Post by: timetotrade on June 19, 2012, 09:05:06 AM
There seems to be some issue in regards to S2. I mean robon VOL closed out a basket of trades earlier for a loss on my demo account, as you can see from my stats. However with S2 i am using default settings, so why did i get 6 short trades, while others have none with the same settings.

Seems strange that we can have the same settings, yet i get trades and they do not.

Just to confirm, you are getting trades with non-standard settings? Because my Robin hasn't done anything so far ...

Please, post a screenshot so I can see your settings.
Title: Re: Demo testing
Post by: timetotrade on June 19, 2012, 09:09:36 AM
That is fine about last backet issue. However my other issue, was in backtest it was showing no trades, however in foward trades the EA took 6 short trades which ended up closing out a loss. When i run the backtest those last basket of short trades did not show up in visual mode or even in results.

Why are the backtest and forward trades different, when the settings are the same in both for me.

From the look off it, those last backet of short trades were from S2, however why did it not show those trades in the backtest. Does this issue have something to do with backtesting on the VPS or not.

The "Last basket results" is just a visual aid that don't influence the behavior of the EA. I just needed a quick way to know the outcome of the last group of trades. The group of trades is counted from the last closed operation to the period where there were no opened trades.

Quote
If so then i guess i will have to swap and change from VPS to home PC to test, how confusing.

Forgot to post, i am running default except (S1) a few changes.

5/60/2 same as the old FGB settings for now. TP 0.3, SL 0.2. All other settings default.

My advice is to backtest any setting you run and compare with other settings with a ratio that allows comparing the quality of the different settings.

I will post later today a detailed procedure on that which will be useful to all of you to analyze any EA.

And the videos and docs explainint strategy 2 will come before Jul/1.

When ever you restart the MT4 platform. The show info last backet information part resets so you lose track of the last basket of trades.

So far i have not had any issues in regard to losing control of open trades after MT4 restarts which is good. But The display part for last backtest of closed trades seems to reset its self on restart, so you have no idea of trades banked.

But most strange, why is it adding short trades as the market is rising. I thought it adds trades in the direction of the fall, not in the opposite way to the trend.

either you have a messed up broker or one of the settings is messed up, it shouldn't be taking any trades assuming you are on default.  strategy 2 could take trades going in the opposite direction from the trend but it would only do that up to a certain point coinciding with strategy 1.
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Title: Re: Demo testing
Post by: fmonera on June 19, 2012, 09:11:27 AM
On this post (http://www.donnaforex.com/forum/index.php?topic=6091.msg190030#msg190030) I explained how S2 works. It is dependant to S1 settings, so if you change S1 settings, you will have different S2 trades than default.

There seems to be some issue in regards to S2. I mean robon VOL closed out a basket of trades earlier for a loss on my demo account, as you can see from my stats. However with S2 i am using default settings, so why did i get 6 short trades, while others have none with the same settings.

Seems strange that we can have the same settings, yet i get trades and they do not.

Just to confirm, you are getting trades with non-standard settings? Because my Robin hasn't done anything so far ...

Please, post a screenshot so I can see your settings.
Title: Re: Demo testing
Post by: timetotrade on June 19, 2012, 09:12:29 AM
Oh i see, thanks for the explanation. That clears that up.

On this post (http://www.donnaforex.com/forum/index.php?topic=6091.msg190030#msg190030) I explained how S2 works. It is dependant to S1 settings, so if you change S1 settings, you will have different S2 trades than default.

There seems to be some issue in regards to S2. I mean robon VOL closed out a basket of trades earlier for a loss on my demo account, as you can see from my stats. However with S2 i am using default settings, so why did i get 6 short trades, while others have none with the same settings.

Seems strange that we can have the same settings, yet i get trades and they do not.

Just to confirm, you are getting trades with non-standard settings? Because my Robin hasn't done anything so far ...

Please, post a screenshot so I can see your settings.
Title: Re: Demo testing
Post by: fmonera on June 19, 2012, 09:13:37 AM
As I said above, the strange thing is not the S2 trades, the strange thing is those trades inside the blue square. Those trades created the weakness zone and allowed S2 trades to trigger.

I have setup an IBFX demo account with default settings to see by myself the behavior on this broker.

That is fine about last backet issue. However my other issue, was in backtest it was showing no trades, however in foward trades the EA took 6 short trades which ended up closing out a loss. When i run the backtest those last basket of short trades did not show up in visual mode or even in results.

Why are the backtest and forward trades different, when the settings are the same in both for me.

From the look off it, those last backet of short trades were from S2, however why did it not show those trades in the backtest. Does this issue have something to do with backtesting on the VPS or not.

The "Last basket results" is just a visual aid that don't influence the behavior of the EA. I just needed a quick way to know the outcome of the last group of trades. The group of trades is counted from the last closed operation to the period where there were no opened trades.

Quote
If so then i guess i will have to swap and change from VPS to home PC to test, how confusing.

Forgot to post, i am running default except (S1) a few changes.

5/60/2 same as the old FGB settings for now. TP 0.3, SL 0.2. All other settings default.

My advice is to backtest any setting you run and compare with other settings with a ratio that allows comparing the quality of the different settings.

I will post later today a detailed procedure on that which will be useful to all of you to analyze any EA.

And the videos and docs explainint strategy 2 will come before Jul/1.

When ever you restart the MT4 platform. The show info last backet information part resets so you lose track of the last basket of trades.

So far i have not had any issues in regard to losing control of open trades after MT4 restarts which is good. But The display part for last backtest of closed trades seems to reset its self on restart, so you have no idea of trades banked.

But most strange, why is it adding short trades as the market is rising. I thought it adds trades in the direction of the fall, not in the opposite way to the trend.

either you have a messed up broker or one of the settings is messed up, it shouldn't be taking any trades assuming you are on default.  strategy 2 could take trades going in the opposite direction from the trend but it would only do that up to a certain point coinciding with strategy 1.
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Title: Re: Demo testing
Post by: fmonera on June 19, 2012, 09:15:57 AM
We all should have a short on default settings.
Title: Robin VOL live trades
Post by: sponn on June 19, 2012, 09:19:01 AM
We all know that demo and live are two different things. So let's discuss live trades if somebody is trying.

I have my first sell with GoMarkets (0.01 lot of course). 8.15 gmt candle close.
Title: Re: Live trades
Post by: fmonera on June 19, 2012, 09:21:29 AM
We all know that demo and live are two different things. So let's discuss live trades if somebody is trying.

I have my first sell with GoMarkets (0.01 lot of course). 8.15 gmt candle close.

I have this trade on all my live and demo accounts.
Title: Re: Strategy Discussion
Post by: Curtis_S on June 19, 2012, 09:25:07 AM
Could you explain the strategy 2 settings (osc1Period, asc2Period, ma_period, and separation)?
Title: small issue with changing bracket sl during trade
Post by: user456 on June 19, 2012, 09:28:25 AM
hi,
just got my first sell on default settings and when I change bracket sl to true during the trade the display does no longer show any numbers. Closing the chart and reattaching robin vol ea works like a charm however.

Screenshot:
Title: Re: small issue with changing bracket sl during trade
Post by: fmonera on June 19, 2012, 09:35:34 AM
hi,
just got my first sell on default settings and when I change bracket sl to true during the trade the display does no longer show any numbers. Closing the chart and reattaching robin vol ea works like a charm however.

Screenshot:

Next bar it should repaint everything. It is just the display. The whole display is not updated on every tick. But please, confirm.
Title: Re: Positive feedback and general experience
Post by: eurosmarter on June 19, 2012, 09:49:27 AM
Did you use any anti-decompiling software for ex4 protection?
Title: Re: Demo testing
Post by: timetotrade on June 19, 2012, 09:52:05 AM
I am with gomarketsaus broker.

I have attached my set file. So you know exactly the settings i am using on my current demo.

EU 15 mins.

As I said above, the strange thing is not the S2 trades, the strange thing is those trades inside the blue square. Those trades created the weakness zone and allowed S2 trades to trigger.

I have setup an IBFX demo account with default settings to see by myself the behavior on this broker.

That is fine about last backet issue. However my other issue, was in backtest it was showing no trades, however in foward trades the EA took 6 short trades which ended up closing out a loss. When i run the backtest those last basket of short trades did not show up in visual mode or even in results.

Why are the backtest and forward trades different, when the settings are the same in both for me.

From the look off it, those last backet of short trades were from S2, however why did it not show those trades in the backtest. Does this issue have something to do with backtesting on the VPS or not.

The "Last basket results" is just a visual aid that don't influence the behavior of the EA. I just needed a quick way to know the outcome of the last group of trades. The group of trades is counted from the last closed operation to the period where there were no opened trades.

Quote
If so then i guess i will have to swap and change from VPS to home PC to test, how confusing.

Forgot to post, i am running default except (S1) a few changes.

5/60/2 same as the old FGB settings for now. TP 0.3, SL 0.2. All other settings default.

My advice is to backtest any setting you run and compare with other settings with a ratio that allows comparing the quality of the different settings.

I will post later today a detailed procedure on that which will be useful to all of you to analyze any EA.

And the videos and docs explainint strategy 2 will come before Jul/1.

When ever you restart the MT4 platform. The show info last backet information part resets so you lose track of the last basket of trades.

So far i have not had any issues in regard to losing control of open trades after MT4 restarts which is good. But The display part for last backtest of closed trades seems to reset its self on restart, so you have no idea of trades banked.

But most strange, why is it adding short trades as the market is rising. I thought it adds trades in the direction of the fall, not in the opposite way to the trend.

either you have a messed up broker or one of the settings is messed up, it shouldn't be taking any trades assuming you are on default.  strategy 2 could take trades going in the opposite direction from the trend but it would only do that up to a certain point coinciding with strategy 1.
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Title: Re: small issue with changing bracket sl during trade
Post by: user456 on June 19, 2012, 10:04:20 AM
Imo there is no need to redraw the display on every tick just insert the display redrawing function into the init() function and it should factor in the changes the user made in the experts settings immediately. Its a bit confusing when you have to wait for the bar to close :)
Title: Re: Positive feedback and general experience
Post by: fmonera on June 19, 2012, 10:04:44 AM
Did you use any anti-decompiling software for ex4 protection?

Yes.
Title: Re: small issue with changing bracket sl during trade
Post by: fmonera on June 19, 2012, 10:08:38 AM
Imo there is no need to redraw the display on every tick just insert the display redrawing function into the init() function and it should factor in the changes the user made in the experts settings immediately. Its a bit confusing when you have to wait for the bar to close :)

Added to the TODO before the release :)
Title: Re: Live trades
Post by: fmonera on June 19, 2012, 10:15:29 AM
Both trades should be closed at about -26 pips (I see that the last basket info is not counting the last closed trade in the banked results, added to the TO-DO).
Title: Re: Demo testing
Post by: fmonera on June 19, 2012, 10:23:24 AM
If you are going to make public your demo, please, either use default settings or name it "Robin VOL my own settings" or something like that. Otherwise, you might be confusing other users.

Thanks

I am with gomarketsaus broker.

I have attached my set file. So you know exactly the settings i am using on my current demo.

EU 15 mins.

As I said above, the strange thing is not the S2 trades, the strange thing is those trades inside the blue square. Those trades created the weakness zone and allowed S2 trades to trigger.

I have setup an IBFX demo account with default settings to see by myself the behavior on this broker.

That is fine about last backet issue. However my other issue, was in backtest it was showing no trades, however in foward trades the EA took 6 short trades which ended up closing out a loss. When i run the backtest those last basket of short trades did not show up in visual mode or even in results.

Why are the backtest and forward trades different, when the settings are the same in both for me.

From the look off it, those last backet of short trades were from S2, however why did it not show those trades in the backtest. Does this issue have something to do with backtesting on the VPS or not.

The "Last basket results" is just a visual aid that don't influence the behavior of the EA. I just needed a quick way to know the outcome of the last group of trades. The group of trades is counted from the last closed operation to the period where there were no opened trades.

Quote
If so then i guess i will have to swap and change from VPS to home PC to test, how confusing.

Forgot to post, i am running default except (S1) a few changes.

5/60/2 same as the old FGB settings for now. TP 0.3, SL 0.2. All other settings default.

My advice is to backtest any setting you run and compare with other settings with a ratio that allows comparing the quality of the different settings.

I will post later today a detailed procedure on that which will be useful to all of you to analyze any EA.

And the videos and docs explainint strategy 2 will come before Jul/1.

When ever you restart the MT4 platform. The show info last backet information part resets so you lose track of the last basket of trades.

So far i have not had any issues in regard to losing control of open trades after MT4 restarts which is good. But The display part for last backtest of closed trades seems to reset its self on restart, so you have no idea of trades banked.

But most strange, why is it adding short trades as the market is rising. I thought it adds trades in the direction of the fall, not in the opposite way to the trend.

either you have a messed up broker or one of the settings is messed up, it shouldn't be taking any trades assuming you are on default.  strategy 2 could take trades going in the opposite direction from the trend but it would only do that up to a certain point coinciding with strategy 1.
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Title: Re: Demo testing
Post by: timetotrade on June 19, 2012, 10:25:59 AM
Ok will rename demo.

If you are going to make public your demo, please, either use default settings or name it "Robin VOL my own settings" or something like that. Otherwise, you might be confusing other users.

Thanks

I am with gomarketsaus broker.

I have attached my set file. So you know exactly the settings i am using on my current demo.

EU 15 mins.

As I said above, the strange thing is not the S2 trades, the strange thing is those trades inside the blue square. Those trades created the weakness zone and allowed S2 trades to trigger.

I have setup an IBFX demo account with default settings to see by myself the behavior on this broker.

That is fine about last backet issue. However my other issue, was in backtest it was showing no trades, however in foward trades the EA took 6 short trades which ended up closing out a loss. When i run the backtest those last basket of short trades did not show up in visual mode or even in results.

Why are the backtest and forward trades different, when the settings are the same in both for me.

From the look off it, those last backet of short trades were from S2, however why did it not show those trades in the backtest. Does this issue have something to do with backtesting on the VPS or not.

The "Last basket results" is just a visual aid that don't influence the behavior of the EA. I just needed a quick way to know the outcome of the last group of trades. The group of trades is counted from the last closed operation to the period where there were no opened trades.

Quote
If so then i guess i will have to swap and change from VPS to home PC to test, how confusing.

Forgot to post, i am running default except (S1) a few changes.

5/60/2 same as the old FGB settings for now. TP 0.3, SL 0.2. All other settings default.

My advice is to backtest any setting you run and compare with other settings with a ratio that allows comparing the quality of the different settings.

I will post later today a detailed procedure on that which will be useful to all of you to analyze any EA.

And the videos and docs explainint strategy 2 will come before Jul/1.

When ever you restart the MT4 platform. The show info last backet information part resets so you lose track of the last basket of trades.

So far i have not had any issues in regard to losing control of open trades after MT4 restarts which is good. But The display part for last backtest of closed trades seems to reset its self on restart, so you have no idea of trades banked.

But most strange, why is it adding short trades as the market is rising. I thought it adds trades in the direction of the fall, not in the opposite way to the trend.

either you have a messed up broker or one of the settings is messed up, it shouldn't be taking any trades assuming you are on default.  strategy 2 could take trades going in the opposite direction from the trend but it would only do that up to a certain point coinciding with strategy 1.
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Title: Re: Demo testing
Post by: websmith on June 19, 2012, 11:41:52 AM
We all should have a short on default settings.

Yes, there were 2 shorts. -30 pips
Title: Re: Live trades
Post by: timetotrade on June 19, 2012, 11:57:04 AM
Well i pretty much love Robin VOL. Any issues i have had so far, has been me trying to understand the settings and system somewhat, not the robot. But it looks stable and well coded.

I am now using Robin VOL instead of FGB and it seems to be trading basically the same as forex growth bot (using the FGB original default settings ), at least now i do not have to worry about it losing control of trades when my MT4 restarts or for some other reason.

And having the S2 is a great addition, will be interesting to see how it all goes in time.

Cheers :)
Title: Re: Live trades
Post by: fmonera on June 19, 2012, 12:22:22 PM
Well i pretty much love Robin VOL. Any issues i have had so far, has been me trying to understand the settings and system somewhat, not the robot. But it looks stable and well coded.

I am now using Robin VOL instead of FGB and it seems to be trading basically the same as forex growth bot (using the FGB original default settings ), at least now i do not have to worry about it losing control of trades when my MT4 restarts or for some other reason.

And having the S2 is a great addition, will be interesting to see how it all goes in time.

Cheers :)

I tried to make strategy 1 as similar as possible to FGB, but it will not trade exactly the same. There are some behavior I wasn't able to understand. And there seems to be a bug in FGB that makes it behave strange on settings different than default. Specially, it will trade a lot different when exploring settings such as FastVol > 5 or SlowVol > 100. The early close of FGB wasn't implemented too as I think it is just an absurd extremely curve-fitted setting.

And we will differ from FGB a lot very soon when I re-activate the options to use different volatility formulas and specially with the walk forward module.

Robin VOL default settings are far more better than FGB default settings. If you are going to run just one instance of Robin VOL, my advice is to use default settings.
Title: Re: Live trades
Post by: robl45 on June 19, 2012, 12:29:24 PM
i got these two on default settings.  but default growthbot settings didn't trade.  i'm kind of at a loss as to why they didn't take the trades as they always trade before the other settings and even 4,50 3.1 settings took the trade.

At any rate, I can confirm it works above .01 lots :)
Title: Re: Live trades
Post by: AtlantaSean on June 19, 2012, 12:32:21 PM
Had 2 shorts close on FXDD trading similar to josep settings and still have 2 open shorts on Alpari in drawdown +-50 pips.
Title: Re: Live trades
Post by: timetotrade on June 19, 2012, 12:32:38 PM
Thanks for the advice. Well i am going to run two instances of robin VOL on demo for now to see how it behaves. Using the default FGB settings and the default Robin VOL settings.

I have set up the demo of the FGB settings and will in the next few hours set up a demo for the Robin VOL default settings and post the stats link below also. It will be interesting to see how they both behave with the different settings on the same broker.

As for the the early close of FGB, do you think at some point it would be a good option to have in the EA for testing purposes. yes it is a curve fitting thing, but problem with the current market it tends to breakout and then retrace a lot, we are not getting those big breakout move we would in the early day, giving us more false breakouts and losses.

So an early close option could be useful in the current market condition, what are your thoughts on that.


Well i pretty much love Robin VOL. Any issues i have had so far, has been me trying to understand the settings and system somewhat, not the robot. But it looks stable and well coded.

I am now using Robin VOL instead of FGB and it seems to be trading basically the same as forex growth bot (using the FGB original default settings ), at least now i do not have to worry about it losing control of trades when my MT4 restarts or for some other reason.

And having the S2 is a great addition, will be interesting to see how it all goes in time.

Cheers :)

I tried to make strategy 1 as similar as possible to FGB, but it will not trade exactly the same. There are some behavior I wasn't able to understand. And there seems to be a bug in FGB that makes it behave strange on settings different than default. Specially, it will trade a lot different when exploring settings such as FastVol > 5 or SlowVol > 100. The early close of FGB wasn't implemented too as I think it is just an absurd extremely curve-fitted setting.

And we will differ from FGB a lot very soon when I re-activate the options to use different volatility formulas and specially with the walk forward module.

Robin VOL default settings are far more better than FGB default settings. If you are going to run just one instance of Robin VOL, my advice is to use default settings.
Title: Re: Live trades
Post by: robl45 on June 19, 2012, 12:43:21 PM
Thanks for the advice. Well i am going to run two instances of robin VOL on demo for now to see how it behaves. Using the default FGB settings and the default Robin VOL settings.

I have set up the demo of the FGB settings and will in the next few hours set up a demo for the Robin VOL default settings and post the stats link below also. It will be interesting to see how they both behave with the different settings on the same broker.

As for the the early close of FGB, do you think at some point it would be a good option to have in the EA for testing purposes. yes it is a curve fitting thing, but problem with the current market it tends to breakout and then retrace a lot, we are not getting those big breakout move we would in the early day, giving us more false breakouts and losses.

So an early close option could be useful in the current market condition, what are your thoughts on that.


Well i pretty much love Robin VOL. Any issues i have had so far, has been me trying to understand the settings and system somewhat, not the robot. But it looks stable and well coded.

I am now using Robin VOL instead of FGB and it seems to be trading basically the same as forex growth bot (using the FGB original default settings ), at least now i do not have to worry about it losing control of trades when my MT4 restarts or for some other reason.

And having the S2 is a great addition, will be interesting to see how it all goes in time.

Cheers :)

I tried to make strategy 1 as similar as possible to FGB, but it will not trade exactly the same. There are some behavior I wasn't able to understand. And there seems to be a bug in FGB that makes it behave strange on settings different than default. Specially, it will trade a lot different when exploring settings such as FastVol > 5 or SlowVol > 100. The early close of FGB wasn't implemented too as I think it is just an absurd extremely curve-fitted setting.

And we will differ from FGB a lot very soon when I re-activate the options to use different volatility formulas and specially with the walk forward module.

Robin VOL default settings are far more better than FGB default settings. If you are going to run just one instance of Robin VOL, my advice is to use default settings.

i banked huge at least twice when other people were taken out by the early close, i say there is no use for it.

if you are using default growthbot settings. disable strategy 2 and set smart exit on with 72 .4 parameters. 
Title: Re: Live trades
Post by: biedermeier on June 19, 2012, 01:03:52 PM
I am running live on a 5k account with lot size 0.10 but no trades have been taken on this account. On my demo account I had a couple of trades, 10k account and 0.10 sizes.
Two different brokers

Is it the risk setting that prevent the trades?

Title: Re: Live trades
Post by: fmonera on June 19, 2012, 01:11:29 PM
Had 2 shorts close on FXDD trading similar to josep settings and still have 2 open shorts on Alpari in drawdown +-50 pips.

2 open shorts at alpari? Can you post a screenshot?
Title: Re: Live trades
Post by: fmonera on June 19, 2012, 01:13:51 PM
I am running live on a 5k account with lot size 0.10 but no trades have been taken on this account. On my demo account I had a couple of trades, 10k account and 0.10 sizes.
Two different brokers

Is it the risk setting that prevent the trades?

Which broker are you using for your live account? Default settings?
Title: Re: Live trades
Post by: timetotrade on June 19, 2012, 01:15:41 PM
Maybe so, was just saying would be good for testing puposes.

Do you mean the usetimeexit (true) 72 .4 parameters. Why those settings, are those the same settings that were used in the original FGB smart exit & is usetimeexit for robin VOL similar to the FGB smart exit feature..

Thanks for the advice. Well i am going to run two instances of robin VOL on demo for now to see how it behaves. Using the default FGB settings and the default Robin VOL settings.

I have set up the demo of the FGB settings and will in the next few hours set up a demo for the Robin VOL default settings and post the stats link below also. It will be interesting to see how they both behave with the different settings on the same broker.

As for the the early close of FGB, do you think at some point it would be a good option to have in the EA for testing purposes. yes it is a curve fitting thing, but problem with the current market it tends to breakout and then retrace a lot, we are not getting those big breakout move we would in the early day, giving us more false breakouts and losses.

So an early close option could be useful in the current market condition, what are your thoughts on that.


Well i pretty much love Robin VOL. Any issues i have had so far, has been me trying to understand the settings and system somewhat, not the robot. But it looks stable and well coded.

I am now using Robin VOL instead of FGB and it seems to be trading basically the same as forex growth bot (using the FGB original default settings ), at least now i do not have to worry about it losing control of trades when my MT4 restarts or for some other reason.

And having the S2 is a great addition, will be interesting to see how it all goes in time.

Cheers :)

I tried to make strategy 1 as similar as possible to FGB, but it will not trade exactly the same. There are some behavior I wasn't able to understand. And there seems to be a bug in FGB that makes it behave strange on settings different than default. Specially, it will trade a lot different when exploring settings such as FastVol > 5 or SlowVol > 100. The early close of FGB wasn't implemented too as I think it is just an absurd extremely curve-fitted setting.

And we will differ from FGB a lot very soon when I re-activate the options to use different volatility formulas and specially with the walk forward module.

Robin VOL default settings are far more better than FGB default settings. If you are going to run just one instance of Robin VOL, my advice is to use default settings.

i banked huge at least twice when other people were taken out by the early close, i say there is no use for it.

if you are using default growthbot settings. disable strategy 2 and set smart exit on with 72 .4 parameters.
Title: Re: Live trades
Post by: timetotrade on June 19, 2012, 01:18:22 PM
Fmonera

The usetimeexit setting in robin VOL is that similar to the original FGB smart exit feature. If not what is the difference between the two.
Title: Re: Demo testing
Post by: SquareRoot on June 19, 2012, 01:21:31 PM
FXDD opened 2 short trades closed at -37 pips.
IBFX opened one long trade and one short trade for -33 pips.

IBFX currently has one long trade open. None on FXDD.
Title: Re: Live trades
Post by: fmonera on June 19, 2012, 01:22:02 PM
In RobinVOL timed exit, the time is measured in bars and in FGB SmartExit the time is measured in time (fixed 18 hours). There are differences in behavior, on weekends for example.

Maybe so, was just saying would be good for testing puposes.

Do you mean the usetimeexit (true) 72 .4 parameters. Why those settings, are those the same settings that were used in the original FGB smart exit & is usetimeexit for robin VOL similar to the FGB smart exit feature..

Thanks for the advice. Well i am going to run two instances of robin VOL on demo for now to see how it behaves. Using the default FGB settings and the default Robin VOL settings.

I have set up the demo of the FGB settings and will in the next few hours set up a demo for the Robin VOL default settings and post the stats link below also. It will be interesting to see how they both behave with the different settings on the same broker.

As for the the early close of FGB, do you think at some point it would be a good option to have in the EA for testing purposes. yes it is a curve fitting thing, but problem with the current market it tends to breakout and then retrace a lot, we are not getting those big breakout move we would in the early day, giving us more false breakouts and losses.

So an early close option could be useful in the current market condition, what are your thoughts on that.


Well i pretty much love Robin VOL. Any issues i have had so far, has been me trying to understand the settings and system somewhat, not the robot. But it looks stable and well coded.

I am now using Robin VOL instead of FGB and it seems to be trading basically the same as forex growth bot (using the FGB original default settings ), at least now i do not have to worry about it losing control of trades when my MT4 restarts or for some other reason.

And having the S2 is a great addition, will be interesting to see how it all goes in time.

Cheers :)

I tried to make strategy 1 as similar as possible to FGB, but it will not trade exactly the same. There are some behavior I wasn't able to understand. And there seems to be a bug in FGB that makes it behave strange on settings different than default. Specially, it will trade a lot different when exploring settings such as FastVol > 5 or SlowVol > 100. The early close of FGB wasn't implemented too as I think it is just an absurd extremely curve-fitted setting.

And we will differ from FGB a lot very soon when I re-activate the options to use different volatility formulas and specially with the walk forward module.

Robin VOL default settings are far more better than FGB default settings. If you are going to run just one instance of Robin VOL, my advice is to use default settings.

i banked huge at least twice when other people were taken out by the early close, i say there is no use for it.

if you are using default growthbot settings. disable strategy 2 and set smart exit on with 72 .4 parameters.
Title: Re: Live trades
Post by: timetotrade on June 19, 2012, 01:26:05 PM
Oh i see. So is it better to use true or not. The default settings are 140 and .4. Robl45 said to use 72 .4 parameters, does that make is similar to FGB smart exit or totally different.

In RobinVOL timed exit, the time is measured in bars and in FGB SmartExit the time is measured in time (fixed 18 hours). There are differences in behavior, on weekends for example.

Maybe so, was just saying would be good for testing puposes.

Do you mean the usetimeexit (true) 72 .4 parameters. Why those settings, are those the same settings that were used in the original FGB smart exit & is usetimeexit for robin VOL similar to the FGB smart exit feature..

Thanks for the advice. Well i am going to run two instances of robin VOL on demo for now to see how it behaves. Using the default FGB settings and the default Robin VOL settings.

I have set up the demo of the FGB settings and will in the next few hours set up a demo for the Robin VOL default settings and post the stats link below also. It will be interesting to see how they both behave with the different settings on the same broker.

As for the the early close of FGB, do you think at some point it would be a good option to have in the EA for testing purposes. yes it is a curve fitting thing, but problem with the current market it tends to breakout and then retrace a lot, we are not getting those big breakout move we would in the early day, giving us more false breakouts and losses.

So an early close option could be useful in the current market condition, what are your thoughts on that.


Well i pretty much love Robin VOL. Any issues i have had so far, has been me trying to understand the settings and system somewhat, not the robot. But it looks stable and well coded.

I am now using Robin VOL instead of FGB and it seems to be trading basically the same as forex growth bot (using the FGB original default settings ), at least now i do not have to worry about it losing control of trades when my MT4 restarts or for some other reason.

And having the S2 is a great addition, will be interesting to see how it all goes in time.

Cheers :)

I tried to make strategy 1 as similar as possible to FGB, but it will not trade exactly the same. There are some behavior I wasn't able to understand. And there seems to be a bug in FGB that makes it behave strange on settings different than default. Specially, it will trade a lot different when exploring settings such as FastVol > 5 or SlowVol > 100. The early close of FGB wasn't implemented too as I think it is just an absurd extremely curve-fitted setting.

And we will differ from FGB a lot very soon when I re-activate the options to use different volatility formulas and specially with the walk forward module.

Robin VOL default settings are far more better than FGB default settings. If you are going to run just one instance of Robin VOL, my advice is to use default settings.

i banked huge at least twice when other people were taken out by the early close, i say there is no use for it.

if you are using default growthbot settings. disable strategy 2 and set smart exit on with 72 .4 parameters.
Title: Re: Live trades
Post by: Tradenow on June 19, 2012, 01:27:21 PM
two trades real live -33.4pips. seems to be all ok. normal opening and closing. no errors in log. picture attached  :)

best regards
Mark
Title: Re: Live trades
Post by: timetotrade on June 19, 2012, 01:56:40 PM
Ok i have posted below default robin VOL and own settings, both have S2 (true) so we will see what happens.
Title: Re: Live trades
Post by: robl45 on June 19, 2012, 02:27:40 PM
Ok i have posted below default robin VOL and own settings, both have S2 (true) so we will see what happens.

if you are running default growthbot settings on one of them, you want to turn s2 off unless you have optimized the parameters for s2 for default growthbot settings.
Title: Re: Live trades
Post by: timetotrade on June 19, 2012, 02:47:09 PM
Maybe so. But for now i am just going to keep running it with S2 true (default), backtest shows high profits over the long run with FGB settings & S2 true. So i will see what happen.

Ok i have posted below default robin VOL and own settings, both have S2 (true) so we will see what happens.

if you are running default growthbot settings on one of them, you want to turn s2 off unless you have optimized the parameters for s2 for default growthbot settings.
Title: Re: Live trades
Post by: fmonera on June 19, 2012, 02:49:32 PM
Ok i have posted below default robin VOL and own settings, both have S2 (true) so we will see what happens.

I think something is not correct in your terminal. I have a gomarkets demo account too with default settings and I don't have the sells that shows in your myfxbook with default settings.

I have attached the indicator so that entries are more clear (I will include the indicator soon):

(https://donnaforex.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fclip2net.com%2Fclip%2Fm77417%2F1340113576-clip-16kb.png&hash=db296c6595af092948c495c5a88d8231)

As you see, there is no possibility for a SELL trade at that bar. Please, can you use a fresh new install of the GoMarkets MT4?
Title: Re: Live trades
Post by: robl45 on June 19, 2012, 02:49:59 PM
up to you but those settings are optimized for default Robinvol strategy1 and not for growthbot default settings

Maybe so. But for now i am just going to keep running it with S2 true (default), backtest shows high profits over the long run with FGB settings & S2 true. So i will see what happen.

Ok i have posted below default robin VOL and own settings, both have S2 (true) so we will see what happens.

if you are running default growthbot settings on one of them, you want to turn s2 off unless you have optimized the parameters for s2 for default growthbot settings.
Title: Re: Live trades
Post by: timetotrade on June 19, 2012, 03:00:38 PM
I can not explain it then. I did have a long trade with own settings demo which uses FGB settings and S2 true (default) that closed for a nice profit.

As for why default settings have a short trade, not really sure. But i did use default setting on that one. So maybe own settings is better.

I did infact backtest default and own settings and my settings were far profitable in the long & short term over default for some reason.

I will reset default demo to see if that makes a difference, doing that now.

The indicator sounds good.

Ok i have posted below default robin VOL and own settings, both have S2 (true) so we will see what happens.

I think something is not correct in your terminal. I have a gomarkets demo account too with default settings and I don't have the sells that shows in your myfxbook with default settings.

I have attached the indicator so that entries are more clear (I will include the indicator soon):

(https://donnaforex.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fclip2net.com%2Fclip%2Fm77417%2F1340113576-clip-16kb.png&hash=db296c6595af092948c495c5a88d8231)

As you see, there is no possibility for a SELL trade at that bar. Please, can you use a fresh new install of the GoMarkets MT4?
Title: Re: Live trades
Post by: timetotrade on June 19, 2012, 03:02:51 PM
Thanks for the info. However backtest looks good so will stick with what i have for now.

up to you but those settings are optimized for default Robinvol strategy1 and not for growthbot default settings

Maybe so. But for now i am just going to keep running it with S2 true (default), backtest shows high profits over the long run with FGB settings & S2 true. So i will see what happen.

Ok i have posted below default robin VOL and own settings, both have S2 (true) so we will see what happens.

if you are running default growthbot settings on one of them, you want to turn s2 off unless you have optimized the parameters for s2 for default growthbot settings.
Title: Re: Live trades
Post by: biedermeier on June 19, 2012, 03:11:44 PM
I am running live on a 5k account with lot size 0.10 but no trades have been taken on this account. On my demo account I had a couple of trades, 10k account and 0.10 sizes.
Two different brokers

Is it the risk setting that prevent the trades?

Which broker are you using for your live account? Default settings?

Synergy and default.
Title: Re: Live trades
Post by: timetotrade on June 19, 2012, 03:20:35 PM
Ok just set up a new demo using default settings, stats below. So if the trades are not the same this time round, then i have no idea :)

Ok i have posted below default robin VOL and own settings, both have S2 (true) so we will see what happens.

I think something is not correct in your terminal. I have a gomarkets demo account too with default settings and I don't have the sells that shows in your myfxbook with default settings.

I have attached the indicator so that entries are more clear (I will include the indicator soon):

(https://donnaforex.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fclip2net.com%2Fclip%2Fm77417%2F1340113576-clip-16kb.png&hash=db296c6595af092948c495c5a88d8231)

As you see, there is no possibility for a SELL trade at that bar. Please, can you use a fresh new install of the GoMarkets MT4?
Title: Re: Live trades
Post by: fmonera on June 19, 2012, 03:30:21 PM
Ok just set up a new demo using default settings, stats below. So if the trades are not the same this time round, then i have no idea :)

If we see strange trades on your new demo account, I will send you a version of the EA that writes a log and takes screenshots.
Title: Re: Releasing fmonera's Robin VOL
Post by: FGB-Human on June 19, 2012, 03:30:23 PM
jshear, thank you for sharing your demo test with us. Wasn't there a buy trade today on Robin Vol? I do not see it on your demo, was there any error mssge? Or is this due to broker dependancy?

fmonera, can you please share the full backtest of this, make your trade history public and post a 6 months long backtest to forward test comparision? Since your early clients are already going public with their results, I just do not see the point of the delay of making your results public.

Thank you  :)
Title: Re: Releasing fmonera's Robin VOL
Post by: jshear on June 19, 2012, 03:32:04 PM
No just checked journal and there was no attempt at any  buy trades??


Jeff
Title: Re: Live trades
Post by: fmonera on June 19, 2012, 03:32:08 PM
I am running live on a 5k account with lot size 0.10 but no trades have been taken on this account. On my demo account I had a couple of trades, 10k account and 0.10 sizes.
Two different brokers

Is it the risk setting that prevent the trades?

Which broker are you using for your live account? Default settings?

Synergy and default.

Can you check that you have DLLs activated?
Can you backtest?
Can you send me a screenshot of the screen so that I can see the settings?
Title: Re: Live trades
Post by: jshear on June 19, 2012, 03:33:45 PM
FGB Human mentions on thread a buy trade?? I only have sells today? No errors in journal too.


Jeff
Title: Re: Releasing fmonera's Robin VOL
Post by: fmonera on June 19, 2012, 03:47:34 PM
jshear, thank you for sharing your demo test with us. Wasn't there a buy trade today on Robin Vol? I do not see it on your demo, was there any error mssge? Or is this due to broker dependancy?

fmonera, can you please share the full backtest of this, make your trade history public and post a 6 months long backtest to forward test comparision? Since your early clients are already going public with their results, I just do not see the point of the delay of making your results public.

Thank you  :)

Please, refer to this post (http://www.donnaforex.com/forum/index.php?topic=5935.msg186776#msg186776) to know the release schedule.
Title: IMPORTANT: Problem with bracketSLTP
Post by: fmonera on June 19, 2012, 04:02:13 PM
Please, disable bracketSLTP. I have been reported a bug that it can modify SL and TP of other EAs.

If that is true, the fix is very easy. But for now please disable this.
Title: Re: Live trades
Post by: timetotrade on June 19, 2012, 04:02:38 PM
That would be great. Lets hope it trades right this time round. If you notice a trade that does not look right, since you have a gomarkets demo now, let me know, as you may have to send me the EA that writes a log and takes screenshots.

Thanks again :)

Ok just set up a new demo using default settings, stats below. So if the trades are not the same this time round, then i have no idea :)

If we see strange trades on your new demo account, I will send you a version of the EA that writes a log and takes screenshots.
Title: Re: Positive feedback and general experience
Post by: eurosmarter on June 19, 2012, 04:05:45 PM
Nice, it really can't be decompiled, at least not by me anyway. Ok, I'm going to put it on a small live account and report back. Backtests are quite impressive so far.
Title: Re: Live trades
Post by: biedermeier on June 19, 2012, 04:11:23 PM
You are correct, there are DLL errors. But I do not have confirm DLL calls ticked in?

(https://donnaforex.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww4.picturepush.com%2Fphoto%2Fa%2F8530002%2F640%2F8530002.jpg&hash=bc32b96db06ddd6a70b6445f76f55fd1) (http://picturepush.com/public/8530002)
Title: Re: IMPORTANT: Problem with bracketSLTP
Post by: fmonera on June 19, 2012, 04:11:59 PM
Bug found. A very stupid one  >:(

I will publish 1.5.3 with this fix later today. Until then, please, disable bracketSLTP if you are using Robin VOL with other EAs.
Title: Re: IMPORTANT: Problem with bracketSLTP
Post by: websmith on June 19, 2012, 04:22:17 PM
Bug found. A very stupid one  >:(

I will publish 1.5.3 with this fix later today. Until then, please, disable bracketSLTP if you are using Robin VOL with other EAs.

bracketSLTP is false by default
Title: Re: Demo testing
Post by: Makeda on June 19, 2012, 04:38:14 PM
2 shorts on ILQ see screen shot attached -29 pips
Makeda
Title: Re: IMPORTANT: Problem with bracketSLTP
Post by: fmonera on June 19, 2012, 04:40:17 PM
Bug found. A very stupid one  >:(

I will publish 1.5.3 with this fix later today. Until then, please, disable bracketSLTP if you are using Robin VOL with other EAs.

bracketSLTP is false by default

Yes, it is false by default. But it is very good to enable it when trading live (once it is fixed).
Title: Re: Live trades
Post by: timetotrade on June 19, 2012, 04:46:13 PM
Here is a screen shot of default demo. Not sure if this tells you anything.

Ok just set up a new demo using default settings, stats below. So if the trades are not the same this time round, then i have no idea :)

If we see strange trades on your new demo account, I will send you a version of the EA that writes a log and takes screenshots.
Title: Re: New releases
Post by: fmonera on June 19, 2012, 04:49:02 PM
FOREX Robin VOL 1.5.3

I released this version to fix a bug where bracketSLTP option would modify the SL and TP settings of other EAs.

Please, update the EA if you use bracketSLTP (you should) and you are using other EAs in the same account.
Title: Re: Live trades
Post by: fmonera on June 19, 2012, 05:14:41 PM
You are correct, there are DLL errors. But I do not have confirm DLL calls ticked in?

Please, confirm that you have the options like this:

(https://donnaforex.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fclip2net.com%2Fclip%2Fm77417%2F1340122208-clip-6kb.png&hash=946d77f64ae11b8493c54fa6a7dad9bd)

If options are ok, then there might be a problem with permissions. Try running MT4 as administrator to see if you get rid of those DLL problems.

In theory, admin rights are not necessary (but I am a Linux expert, not Windows so I don't have deep security knowledge on this OS).
Title: Re: Live trades
Post by: sponn on June 19, 2012, 05:20:10 PM
My live with GoMarkets as well

Here is a pic
Title: Re: Live trades
Post by: fmonera on June 19, 2012, 05:25:08 PM
Here is a screen shot of default demo. Not sure if this tells you anything.

Ok just set up a new demo using default settings, stats below. So if the trades are not the same this time round, then i have no idea :)

If we see strange trades on your new demo account, I will send you a version of the EA that writes a log and takes screenshots.

I don't have this trade on GoMarkets demo. Are you running other EAs or other Robin VOL instances on this MT4 instance?

Look my GoMarkets demo account:

(https://donnaforex.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fclip2net.com%2Fclip%2Fm77417%2F1340123071-clip-10kb.png&hash=56d25c28b1f106c812b48e1ddfbd94cd)
Title: Re: Live trades
Post by: fmonera on June 19, 2012, 05:26:51 PM
My live with GoMarkets as well

Here is a pic

This trades are perfect. The behavior is absolutely correct.
Title: Re: IMPORTANT: Problem with bracketSLTP
Post by: fmonera on June 19, 2012, 05:27:22 PM
Please, update to 1.5.3 to correct the bracketSLTP problem.
Title: Re: Live trades
Post by: timetotrade on June 19, 2012, 05:37:49 PM
No i am just running robin VOL default on gomarkets demo. no other EAs what so ever. I guess you are going to have to send me the EA that logs the trades and take a snap shot. I have no idea what is wrong, as my demo gomarkets trades are totally different to your ones with the same settings.

I notice that you are running 1.5.1 i am running 1.5.2 will that makes a difference or not.


Here is a screen shot of default demo. Not sure if this tells you anything.

Ok just set up a new demo using default settings, stats below. So if the trades are not the same this time round, then i have no idea :)

If we see strange trades on your new demo account, I will send you a version of the EA that writes a log and takes screenshots.

I don't have this trade on GoMarkets demo. Are you running other EAs or other Robin VOL instances on this MT4 instance?

Look my GoMarkets demo account:

(https://donnaforex.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fclip2net.com%2Fclip%2Fm77417%2F1340123071-clip-10kb.png&hash=56d25c28b1f106c812b48e1ddfbd94cd)
Title: Re: Live trades
Post by: fmonera on June 19, 2012, 05:43:15 PM
No i am just running robin VOL default on gomarkets demo. no other EAs what so ever. I guess you are going to have to send me the EA that logs the trades and take a snap shot. I have no idea what is wrong, as my demo gomarkets trades are totally different to your ones with the same settings.

Ok. I will prepare the "debug" EA now :P . It will take some hours.
Title: Re: Live trades
Post by: timetotrade on June 19, 2012, 05:48:25 PM
Ok thanks and sorry for the problem. You going to post it on here or send it to my email address. I am logging out now as i have to get some sleep.

So will check it out tomorrow.

Thanks again :)

No i am just running robin VOL default on gomarkets demo. no other EAs what so ever. I guess you are going to have to send me the EA that logs the trades and take a snap shot. I have no idea what is wrong, as my demo gomarkets trades are totally different to your ones with the same settings.

Ok. I will prepare the "debug" EA now :P . It will take some hours.
Title: Re: Live trades
Post by: fmonera on June 19, 2012, 05:58:10 PM
Don't be sorry. This is exactly the point for a pre-release group, to be sure that it works on all platforms and setups. This concrete problem on a concrete demo account on a concrete user is what I was looking for.

No matter where is the problem (on Robin Vol or on your setup or on Go Markets or whatever). Correcting it during the pre-release stage is the way to do it.

I must thank you for your dedication on this.



Ok thanks and sorry for the problem. You going to post it on here or send it to my email address.

No i am just running robin VOL default on gomarkets demo. no other EAs what so ever. I guess you are going to have to send me the EA that logs the trades and take a snap shot. I have no idea what is wrong, as my demo gomarkets trades are totally different to your ones with the same settings.

Ok. I will prepare the "debug" EA now :P . It will take some hours.
Title: Re: Demo testing
Post by: deathlord on June 19, 2012, 07:58:05 PM
Just to confirm, you are getting trades with non-standard settings? Because my Robin hasn't done anything so far ...

Please, post a screenshot so I can see your settings.

Looking good, I got the two trades everyone had, but here's the screenshot anyway. Is there really no way to bring the info box to the top on the chart?
Title: Re: Live trades
Post by: jshear on June 19, 2012, 08:08:02 PM
Is anyone in a long trade? For some reason I am not on all my accounts.

Jeff
Title: Re: Demo testing
Post by: fmonera on June 19, 2012, 08:13:47 PM
Just to confirm, you are getting trades with non-standard settings? Because my Robin hasn't done anything so far ...

Please, post a screenshot so I can see your settings.

Looking good, I got the two trades everyone had, but here's the screenshot anyway. Is there really no way to bring the info box to the top on the chart?

Yes, it is in the to-do list :)
Title: Re: Live trades
Post by: fmonera on June 19, 2012, 08:14:17 PM
Is anyone in a long trade? For some reason I am not on all my accounts.

Jeff

Yes. On two of my pepperstone accounts I have a buy.
Title: Re: Live trades
Post by: fmonera on June 19, 2012, 08:25:01 PM
I have this long on other brokers, so this long is correct. Sorry.

No i am just running robin VOL default on gomarkets demo. no other EAs what so ever. I guess you are going to have to send me the EA that logs the trades and take a snap shot. I have no idea what is wrong, as my demo gomarkets trades are totally different to your ones with the same settings.

I notice that you are running 1.5.1 i am running 1.5.2 will that makes a difference or not.


Here is a screen shot of default demo. Not sure if this tells you anything.

Ok just set up a new demo using default settings, stats below. So if the trades are not the same this time round, then i have no idea :)

If we see strange trades on your new demo account, I will send you a version of the EA that writes a log and takes screenshots.

I don't have this trade on GoMarkets demo. Are you running other EAs or other Robin VOL instances on this MT4 instance?

Look my GoMarkets demo account:

(https://donnaforex.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fclip2net.com%2Fclip%2Fm77417%2F1340123071-clip-10kb.png&hash=56d25c28b1f106c812b48e1ddfbd94cd)
Title: Re: Live trades
Post by: jshear on June 19, 2012, 09:06:06 PM
Strange 5 accounts none have longs?


Title: Re: Live trades
Post by: biedermeier on June 19, 2012, 09:55:31 PM
I had the "disable experts when account is changed" and the one below ticked in. But since I have had other EA's trading on this account without any problem I never thought of this.

Also upgraded to latest version of Robin.
Title: Re: Demo testing
Post by: eurosmarter on June 19, 2012, 10:02:47 PM
2 shorts still floating on pepperstone.
Title: Re: Live trades
Post by: AtlantaSean on June 19, 2012, 10:48:04 PM
Had 2 shorts close on FXDD trading similar to josep settings and still have 2 open shorts on Alpari in drawdown +-50 pips.

2 open shorts at alpari? Can you post a screenshot?

Man I had a shitty day today. Kangaroo -366.4 pips & Robin VOL -161.1 pips. Alpari US

Had to work so the screenshot doesn't have the open trades in it.
Title: Re: Live trades
Post by: fmonera on June 19, 2012, 11:17:09 PM
Had 2 shorts close on FXDD trading similar to josep settings and still have 2 open shorts on Alpari in drawdown +-50 pips.

2 open shorts at alpari? Can you post a screenshot?

Man I had a shitty day today. Kangaroo -366.4 pips & Robin VOL -161.1 pips. Alpari US

Had to work so the screenshot doesn't have the open trades in it.

I am sorry for the losses. On the positive side, 161 pips is not too much for Robin VOL.

Please, as I adviced keep it running on demo for the moment. We will have time to run it live.

Next version will have the save screenshots option for everybody.
Title: Re: Demo testing
Post by: fmonera on June 19, 2012, 11:20:39 PM
2 shorts still floating on pepperstone.

Those shorts are incorrect. Definitely something is not working correctly. Let me find what is the problem. Until then,


   please, don't trade it live.
Title: IMPORTANT: Incorrect trades on some brokers
Post by: fmonera on June 19, 2012, 11:23:37 PM
Some users are reporting incorrect trades on some brokers.

Please, DON'T TRADE ROBIN VOL LIVE until I understand which setups causes those trades to be taken.

I will update this thread once I find the problem.
Title: Re: Live trades
Post by: bjanssen on June 20, 2012, 12:56:04 AM
Three trades for me so far.  Live account on Axitrader.

24531908   2012.06.19 11:30   sell   0.01   eurusd   1.25757   1.26435   1.25295   2012.06.19 11:45   1.25825   0.00   0.00   0.00   -0.68
24531513   2012.06.19 11:15   sell   0.01   eurusd   1.25700   1.26588   1.25448   2012.06.19 12:01   1.25836   0.00   0.00   0.00   -1.34
24534679   2012.06.19 12:15   buy   0.01   eurusd   1.26089   1.25604   1.26863   2012.06.19 14:45   1.26239   0.00   0.00   0.00   1.48

BJ
Title: Re: Live trades
Post by: timetotrade on June 20, 2012, 04:10:47 AM
Yes understand, that is the good thing about pre-release group. How did you go with the EA that logs the trades and take a snap shot.

ATM on default demo it has taken 1 long trade which was for a loss and from what you say that trade should not have been taken on my account.

Don't be sorry. This is exactly the point for a pre-release group, to be sure that it works on all platforms and setups. This concrete problem on a concrete demo account on a concrete user is what I was looking for.

No matter where is the problem (on Robin Vol or on your setup or on Go Markets or whatever). Correcting it during the pre-release stage is the way to do it.

I must thank you for your dedication on this.



Ok thanks and sorry for the problem. You going to post it on here or send it to my email address.

No i am just running robin VOL default on gomarkets demo. no other EAs what so ever. I guess you are going to have to send me the EA that logs the trades and take a snap shot. I have no idea what is wrong, as my demo gomarkets trades are totally different to your ones with the same settings.

Ok. I will prepare the "debug" EA now :P . It will take some hours.
Title: Re: Live trades
Post by: websmith on June 20, 2012, 04:23:01 AM
I did not have any longs on live ThinkForex, Alpari NZ NDD, Pepperstone Razor, TDFX, InstaForex, FXDD
Title: Re: Live trades
Post by: fmonera on June 20, 2012, 09:34:00 AM
I am testing at the moment the debug version. I will send it to you later.
Title: Re: Live trades
Post by: timetotrade on June 20, 2012, 10:33:19 AM
Ok Thanks.

I am testing at the moment the debug version. I will send it to you later.
Title: Re: Live trades
Post by: robl45 on June 20, 2012, 12:15:58 PM
i had 2 short trades on default settings, no long trades on tradersway.

with default growthbot settings with optimized strategy 2 settings, I didn't get sells but picked up 3 buys later in the day.  1 loss, 1 profit and one still going.
Title: Re: Live trades
Post by: fmonera on June 20, 2012, 12:23:25 PM
i had 2 short trades on default settings, no long trades on tradersway.

with default growthbot settings with optimized strategy 2 settings, I didn't get sells but picked up 3 buys later in the day.  1 loss, 1 profit and one still going.

Rob, please, keep it running on demo for the moment.
Title: Re: Live trades
Post by: timetotrade on June 20, 2012, 12:37:30 PM
I had two short trades of default demo as well, which have now closed for a loss, as my stats will show. Maybe my account is back in sync. Not sure why it was trading strange yesterday and today right.

Oh well i guess this is why we are pre-testing to work out all the bugs if any ;)

i had 2 short trades on default settings, no long trades on tradersway.

with default growthbot settings with optimized strategy 2 settings, I didn't get sells but picked up 3 buys later in the day.  1 loss, 1 profit and one still going.
:)
Title: Re: Live trades
Post by: jshear on June 20, 2012, 01:06:18 PM
I only had 2 shorts trades yesterday and no trades since???


Jeff
Title: Re: Live trades
Post by: timetotrade on June 20, 2012, 01:20:01 PM
Yes it is strange. I looks like my account is trading totally different to yours. As i got two shorts today.

I only had 2 shorts trades yesterday and no trades since???


Jeff
Title: Re: Live trades
Post by: websmith on June 20, 2012, 01:33:59 PM
I confirm there were only 2 short trades yesterday and no trades since on my 6 brokers. It seems to me timetotrade does not use default settings.
Title: Re: Live trades
Post by: timetotrade on June 20, 2012, 01:42:16 PM
Well i am using default settings on S1 and S2 you can see this from the screen shot i uploaded yesterday. I am also using FGB settings with S2 true on the second stats link, but the first one is default.

First demo:
S1 3/60/3
S2 8/9/65/0.15
0.31/0.18/140

That is my default demo settings.

I confirm there were only 2 short trades yesterday and no trades since on my 6 brokers. It seems to me timetotrade does not use default settings.
Title: Re: Live trades
Post by: fmonera on June 20, 2012, 01:45:33 PM
I confirm there were only 2 short trades yesterday and no trades since on my 6 brokers. It seems to me timetotrade does not use default settings.

As I said, I have seen some trades that triggered and are not correct. It is something that happens only live/demo trading on certain setups. I think I am very close of correcting the problem.

Until I identify why it happens, keep it running on demo.
Title: Re: Live trades
Post by: robl45 on June 20, 2012, 02:02:33 PM
I confirm there were only 2 short trades yesterday and no trades since on my 6 brokers. It seems to me timetotrade does not use default settings.

As I said, I have seen some trades that triggered and are not correct. It is something that happens only live/demo trading on certain setups. I think I am very close of correcting the problem.

Until I identify why it happens, keep it running on demo.

all of mine seem to have trigged correctly, all are still in control even after switching to 1.5.3
Title: Re: Live trades
Post by: websmith on June 20, 2012, 02:10:26 PM
yes, there were no any problems with 1.5.1 and there are not after switching to 1.5.3
Title: Re: Live trades
Post by: fmonera on June 20, 2012, 02:27:27 PM
yes, there were no any problems with 1.5.1 and there are not after switching to 1.5.3

There are some posted trades that I don't understand.

I am paranoid and perfectionist. And I need to understand everything.
Title: Re: Demo testing
Post by: WiZARD on June 20, 2012, 03:36:22 PM
I've just installed it on a demo account (Equilor-IBFX), can you help me, what settings should I use?

As I read, I should put it on eurusd M15 with default settings.
I've changed atrAdjustedMM to true, as it sounds good to me, and usaBracketSLTP, as fmonera wrote, it should be enabled.

Should I change anything else?
(I've also tried the looser M1 test settings for a few minutes, it worked, but when I'll have time, I'll try it some more...)
Title: Re: Demo testing
Post by: timetotrade on June 20, 2012, 04:34:11 PM
Fmonera

I just logged into my VPS and restarted my Robin VOL demo, when it restarted i got a DLL error message in my export tab (first time this has happend). I acctually got this message 4 times after the EA initialized after MT4 started back up.

DLL error message:
"2012.06.20 08:30:02   Robin-VOL-1.5.2 EURUSD,M15: function 'RobinV1' call from dll 'robinvo1.dll' critical error c0000005 at 02CB5E73".

All settings are the same and settings in the expert advisor tab, under tools & options are correct. error message only occured after restart.

I have attached the error message below.
Title: Re: Demo testing
Post by: timetotrade on June 20, 2012, 04:43:39 PM
Those are the settings i used for default, so i would say that is right.

I've just installed it on a demo account (Equilor-IBFX), can you help me, what settings should I use?

As I read, I should put it on eurusd M15 with default settings.
I've changed atrAdjustedMM to true, as it sounds good to me, and usaBracketSLTP, as fmonera wrote, it should be enabled.

Should I change anything else?
(I've also tried the looser M1 test settings for a few minutes, it worked, but when I'll have time, I'll try it some more...)
Title: Re: Demo testing
Post by: fmonera on June 20, 2012, 04:58:51 PM
Fmonera

I just logged into my VPS and restarted my Robin VOL demo, when it restarted i got a DLL error message in my export tab (first time this has happend). I acctually got this message 4 times after the EA initialized after MT4 started back up.

DLL error message:
"2012.06.20 08:30:02   Robin-VOL-1.5.2 EURUSD,M15: function 'RobinV1' call from dll 'robinvo1.dll' critical error c0000005 at 02CB5E73".

All settings are the same and settings in the expert advisor tab, under tools & options are correct. error message only occured after restart.

I have attached the error message below.

Do you have the allow DLLs option active?

If you restart MT4 do you still have the problem?

Which MT4 build are you using?
Title: Re: Demo testing
Post by: robl45 on June 20, 2012, 05:17:33 PM
I've just installed it on a demo account (Equilor-IBFX), can you help me, what settings should I use?

As I read, I should put it on eurusd M15 with default settings.
I've changed atrAdjustedMM to true, as it sounds good to me, and usaBracketSLTP, as fmonera wrote, it should be enabled.

Should I change anything else?
(I've also tried the looser M1 test settings for a few minutes, it worked, but when I'll have time, I'll try it some more...)

backtests are worse with atradjusted MM set to true.
Title: Re: Demo testing
Post by: timetotrade on June 20, 2012, 06:13:14 PM
Yes all DLL options active.

I just restarted MT4 then and this time their are no DLL errors, the restart must have fixed the issue for now, so not really sure what caused it on the last restart, could be a bug.

I am using build 4.32 which is the latest.

Anyhow my default demo has just taken a long trade on the EU spike.

Fmonera

I just logged into my VPS and restarted my Robin VOL demo, when it restarted i got a DLL error message in my export tab (first time this has happend). I acctually got this message 4 times after the EA initialized after MT4 started back up.

DLL error message:
"2012.06.20 08:30:02   Robin-VOL-1.5.2 EURUSD,M15: function 'RobinV1' call from dll 'robinvo1.dll' critical error c0000005 at 02CB5E73".

All settings are the same and settings in the expert advisor tab, under tools & options are correct. error message only occured after restart.

I have attached the error message below.

Do you have the allow DLLs option active?

If you restart MT4 do you still have the problem?

Which MT4 build are you using?
Title: Re: Demo testing
Post by: fmonera on June 20, 2012, 06:19:43 PM
I will keep an eye on this error to see if I can reproduce it.

Yes all DLL options active.

I just restarted MT4 then and this time their are no DLL errors, the restart seems to have fixed the issue, so not really sure what caused it on the last restart, could be a bug.

I am using build 4.32 which is the latest.

Fmonera

I just logged into my VPS and restarted my Robin VOL demo, when it restarted i got a DLL error message in my export tab (first time this has happend). I acctually got this message 4 times after the EA initialized after MT4 started back up.

DLL error message:
"2012.06.20 08:30:02   Robin-VOL-1.5.2 EURUSD,M15: function 'RobinV1' call from dll 'robinvo1.dll' critical error c0000005 at 02CB5E73".

All settings are the same and settings in the expert advisor tab, under tools & options are correct. error message only occured after restart.

I have attached the error message below.

Do you have the allow DLLs option active?

If you restart MT4 do you still have the problem?

Which MT4 build are you using?
Title: Re: Demo testing
Post by: timetotrade on June 20, 2012, 06:22:30 PM
Sounds like a good plan.

I will keep an eye on this error to see if I can reproduce it.

Yes all DLL options active.

I just restarted MT4 then and this time their are no DLL errors, the restart seems to have fixed the issue, so not really sure what caused it on the last restart, could be a bug.

I am using build 4.32 which is the latest.

Fmonera

I just logged into my VPS and restarted my Robin VOL demo, when it restarted i got a DLL error message in my export tab (first time this has happend). I acctually got this message 4 times after the EA initialized after MT4 started back up.

DLL error message:
"2012.06.20 08:30:02   Robin-VOL-1.5.2 EURUSD,M15: function 'RobinV1' call from dll 'robinvo1.dll' critical error c0000005 at 02CB5E73".

All settings are the same and settings in the expert advisor tab, under tools & options are correct. error message only occured after restart.

I have attached the error message below.

Do you have the allow DLLs option active?

If you restart MT4 do you still have the problem?

Which MT4 build are you using?
Title: Re: Demo testing
Post by: eurosmarter on June 20, 2012, 08:29:11 PM
1. It's a bug in MT4 platform, the memory is sometimes overwritten and same space is shared between more dll's.

2. The dll itself causes the bug by incorrect variable declaration. For example:

malloc(100) allocates 100 bytes in memory for a string variable, but the string has more than 100 chars causing a heap overflow.
Title: Re: New releases
Post by: fmonera on June 21, 2012, 12:17:40 PM
FOREX Robin VOL 1.5.4

This version will reduce a lot the broker differences we have seen on some broker setups.
The rest is mostly cosmetic (the User Interface is something I added recently).

This version changes the following things:
 - Option to save a screenshot of every trade
 - Fix in the bracketSLTP feature where sometimes it changed SL and TP every tick when there was various EA instances running at the same time on specific MT4 brokers
 - Some fix in the broker discrepances (we will still have differences on sunday/monday due to sunday candles though).
 - User Interface on top of everything
 - Strategy 1 is not optional. It must be run always. Strategy 2 is optional.
 - Added a heartbeat visual indication (see below)
 - The signal indication is updated every tick
 - Added the Magic Number to the User Interface. It is a lot easier to manage multiple Robin VOL instances this way.
 - Minor internal fixes
 - Minor robustness added to the system that allows the safe restart of MT4 with open trades
 - Minor visual correction: No longer shows the "cannot delete" message at the start.

Heartbeat indication

Sometimes MT4 isn't able to process correctly changes in the configuration. MT4 don't show any error, but the effect over Robin VOL is that it just don't trade. A simple MT4 restart makes it work correctly.

(https://donnaforex.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fclip2net.com%2Fclip%2Fm77417%2F1340282531-clip-16kb.png&hash=b560145f6c99983d527494db3419e05a)

I have added a heartbeat visual element in the top-right of the User Interface. It will beat every tick. If it is beating then you are sure that the EA is working correctly. As a confirmation, be sure that the "Entry Signal" is changing too.

If I find a better way to fix this problem I will remove the heartbeat.


This version has mostly cosmetic changes, but it has a few important fixes that will allow all of us to trade almost the same trades. So my suggestion is to update to this version.
Title: Re: Demo testing
Post by: timetotrade on June 21, 2012, 02:01:37 PM
Hi fmonera

Just got the email about the latest update looks good.

I will set up with the new version and restart a fesh on demo to see what happens this time round.

Do you yet know why and what has been causing the huge differences we have been getting with the trades. especially when we have been using the same settings.

Cheers
Title: Re: Live trades
Post by: websmith on June 21, 2012, 03:31:43 PM
I have one short position:
open 1.26063
TP 1.2576
SL 1.2623
Title: Re: Live trades
Post by: jshear on June 21, 2012, 03:36:09 PM
I have opened positions on 2 brokers and 2 brokers have no open positions? Here is my screen shot from open trade.

Title: Re: Live trades
Post by: websmith on June 21, 2012, 03:46:12 PM
positions were opened on Alpari, TDFX, ThinkForex, InstaForex. There are no trades on Pepperstone Razor. Rob vol 1.5.4
Title: Re: Live trades
Post by: fmonera on June 21, 2012, 03:47:14 PM
I have opened positions on 2 brokers and 2 brokers have no open positions? Here is my screen shot from open trade.

On pepperstone razor the signal was -2.95 (so trade wasn't opened) and on pepperstone standard was -3.15 (so trade was opened).

It is normal that some brokers entered and others not, due to small differences in the feed.

edit: Image

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Title: Re: Demo testing
Post by: WiZARD on June 21, 2012, 04:01:24 PM
I have my first trade (1.5.4) - eurusd sell @ 1,26030 (SL 1,27180 TP 1,24989) - 16:15
Title: Re: Live trades
Post by: robl45 on June 21, 2012, 04:09:17 PM
I disagree.  assuming the only difference between pepperstone standard and razor is that one feed has the spread marked up while the other is raw pricing(thats typical on brokers that have ECN and standard no commission feeds) the trades should be exactly the same.  We test on alpari data that has like a spread of 2 i believe or something, that data is coming from the alpari standard feed I believe, although i could be wrong on that.

either way,  if pepperstone standard would pull the trade, then razor should pull it too.  either some compensation needs to be made in the code or we need to compensate for that in the settings of the ea to make the 3  number 2.95 or something like that if we are using raw spread otherwise we will miss trades.

EDIT: basically I picked up 2 trades using my growthbot standard settings and missed 2 trades or more using the default voltility settings that look like they might be nice trades.  if the volatility is the way you specified, people using comission versus non commission feeds will always miss these trades.

I have opened positions on 2 brokers and 2 brokers have no open positions? Here is my screen shot from open trade.

On pepperstone razor the signal was -2.95 (so trade wasn't opened) and on pepperstone standard was -3.15 (so trade was opened).

It is normal that some brokers entered and others not, due to small differences in the feed.

edit: Image

(https://donnaforex.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fclip2net.com%2Fclip%2Fm77417%2F1340290205-clip-8kb.png&hash=972d012ab72fd97fd03ee64f19951ec0)
Title: Re: Live trades
Post by: websmith on June 21, 2012, 04:17:16 PM
banked 30 pips. well done
Title: Re: Live trades
Post by: jshear on June 21, 2012, 04:23:54 PM
Mine just closed is this correct? Wow FGB would have left this open. I am glad it banked the pips!!


Title: Re: Demo testing
Post by: timetotrade on June 21, 2012, 04:24:11 PM
I had my first short trade with 1.5.4 and it has closed for a win. So far so good.

Looks like we are in sync ATM.


I have my first trade (1.5.4) - eurusd sell @ 1,26030 (SL 1,27180 TP 1,24989) - 16:15
Title: Re: Live trades
Post by: timetotrade on June 21, 2012, 04:26:39 PM
I just banked 30 pips also on my first short trade with the 1.5.4, looks like we are all in sync.

fmonera has done a great job with the update, looks like a lot of bugs have been fixed.

Title: Re: Live trades
Post by: robl45 on June 21, 2012, 04:27:30 PM
Mine just closed is this correct? Wow FGB would have left this open. I am glad it banked the pips!!

it closed because your TP is .31 instead of .50 on default growthbot so that is the reason why growthbot would have left it open versus the default settings on this one.
Title: Re: Live trades
Post by: fmonera on June 21, 2012, 04:58:51 PM
I understand you and what you say is worth investigating, but that will be a new strategy. This strategy relies only on bars, and does not take into account spread size, commision compensations, swap or whatever.

As razor and standard are different price feeds (otherwise the indicator would show the same things), they behave a bit different. Please, note that this will work sometimes in your favor and sometimes against you. Statisticaly in the end they should get very similar results.

Anyways, your suggestion is interesting. What I understand from your words is that, in commision based servers, we should test to relax the entry conditions a bit (let's say, 0.5% or so). Am I right?

Here are the two feeds side by side:

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(https://donnaforex.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fclip2net.com%2Fclip%2Fm77417%2F1340290205-clip-8kb.png&hash=972d012ab72fd97fd03ee64f19951ec0)

I disagree.  assuming the only difference between pepperstone standard and razor is that one feed has the spread marked up while the other is raw pricing(thats typical on brokers that have ECN and standard no commission feeds) the trades should be exactly the same.  We test on alpari data that has like a spread of 2 i believe or something, that data is coming from the alpari standard feed I believe, although i could be wrong on that.

either way,  if pepperstone standard would pull the trade, then razor should pull it too.  either some compensation needs to be made in the code or we need to compensate for that in the settings of the ea to make the 3  number 2.95 or something like that if we are using raw spread otherwise we will miss trades.

EDIT: basically I picked up 2 trades using my growthbot standard settings and missed 2 trades or more using the default voltility settings that look like they might be nice trades.  if the volatility is the way you specified, people using comission versus non commission feeds will always miss these trades.

I have opened positions on 2 brokers and 2 brokers have no open positions? Here is my screen shot from open trade.

On pepperstone razor the signal was -2.95 (so trade wasn't opened) and on pepperstone standard was -3.15 (so trade was opened).

It is normal that some brokers entered and others not, due to small differences in the feed.

edit: Image

Title: Re: Live trades
Post by: robl45 on June 21, 2012, 05:10:53 PM
I don't know how pepperstone does it, but at tradersway, its the same feed, they just tack on more for the spread, same thing at armada markets, the no spread feed is the same feed, just more added for spread.  maybe pepperstone is doing something different.  I do know that on tradersway ECN, the trades didn't fire either.  So we would need to know if pepperstone Razor is exactly the same feed as standard but just marked up slightly or if they are completely different feeds.  however I do not think this would necessarily even it self out unless you are talking about missing bad trades, but of course you would miss good trades too as likely the volatilty numbers are always going to be less on razor than on standard.

I understand you and what you say is worth investigating, but that will be a new strategy. This strategy relies only on bars, and does not take into account spread size, commision compensations, swap or whatever.

As razor and standard are different price feeds (otherwise the indicator would show the same things), they behave a bit different. Please, note that this will work sometimes in your favor and sometimes against you. Statisticaly in the end they should get very similar results.

Anyways, your suggestion is interesting. What I understand from your words is that, in commision based servers, we should test to relax the entry conditions a bit (let's say, 0.5% or so). Am I right?

Here are the two feeds side by side:

(https://donnaforex.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fclip2net.com%2Fclip%2Fm77417%2F1340293525-clip-8kb.png&hash=aa3812c71413279b39e4a01c32407ce6)
(https://donnaforex.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fclip2net.com%2Fclip%2Fm77417%2F1340290205-clip-8kb.png&hash=972d012ab72fd97fd03ee64f19951ec0)

I disagree.  assuming the only difference between pepperstone standard and razor is that one feed has the spread marked up while the other is raw pricing(thats typical on brokers that have ECN and standard no commission feeds) the trades should be exactly the same.  We test on alpari data that has like a spread of 2 i believe or something, that data is coming from the alpari standard feed I believe, although i could be wrong on that.

either way,  if pepperstone standard would pull the trade, then razor should pull it too.  either some compensation needs to be made in the code or we need to compensate for that in the settings of the ea to make the 3  number 2.95 or something like that if we are using raw spread otherwise we will miss trades.

EDIT: basically I picked up 2 trades using my growthbot standard settings and missed 2 trades or more using the default voltility settings that look like they might be nice trades.  if the volatility is the way you specified, people using comission versus non commission feeds will always miss these trades.

I have opened positions on 2 brokers and 2 brokers have no open positions? Here is my screen shot from open trade.

On pepperstone razor the signal was -2.95 (so trade wasn't opened) and on pepperstone standard was -3.15 (so trade was opened).

It is normal that some brokers entered and others not, due to small differences in the feed.

edit: Image

Title: Re: Live trades
Post by: fmonera on June 21, 2012, 05:17:02 PM
I am almost sure both are different feeds.

At least, yesterday Razor freezed for 15 min while standard was working correcly. And if you compare both bar by bar, they are not exactly the same.
Title: Re: Live trades
Post by: robl45 on June 21, 2012, 05:20:47 PM
I am almost sure both are different feeds.

At least, yesterday Razor freezed for 15 min while standard was working correcly. And if you compare both bar by bar, they are not exactly the same.

yes, looking at what you put up, it looks like pepperstone might be doing it a little differently. Still i have a feeling if we compare ECN brokers we might find  trend.  If you tell me what to do, i will try and figure out what traders way showed for the volatility number today.
Title: Re: Live trades
Post by: fmonera on June 21, 2012, 05:30:48 PM
I am almost sure both are different feeds.

At least, yesterday Razor freezed for 15 min while standard was working correcly. And if you compare both bar by bar, they are not exactly the same.

yes, looking at what you put up, it looks like pepperstone might be doing it a little differently. Still i have a feeling if we compare ECN brokers we might find  trend.  If you tell me what to do, i will try and figure out what traders way showed for the volatility number today.

I will try to have "Robin-VOL-indi" for the release date on July/1 and bundle it with the EA. With this indicator you can see past volatility values.
Title: Re: Demo testing
Post by: WiZARD on June 21, 2012, 06:03:00 PM
I have my first trade (1.5.4) - eurusd sell @ 1,26030 (SL 1,27180 TP 1,24989) - 16:15

closed @ 1.2575 - 17:45
Title: Re: Demo testing
Post by: biedermeier on June 21, 2012, 07:25:14 PM
And mine

06.21.2012 17:15    06.21.2012 18:15   EURUSD    Sell   0.13    -    -    1.26061    1.25750   31.1   39.52    59m    0.35%
Title: Re: Demo testing
Post by: biedermeier on June 21, 2012, 09:02:59 PM
I'm doing some M5 testing parallel to the M15. But when I launched M5 EU and added the bot I got the smiley face but not the info screen?
No errors in the log what I can see.


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Title: Re: Demo testing
Post by: fmonera on June 21, 2012, 09:16:49 PM
I'm doing some M5 testing parallel to the M15. But when I launched M5 EU and added the bot I got the smiley face but not the info screen?
No errors in the log what I can see.

I have tested with more than 6 Robin VOL charts on the same MT4. There should be no upper limmit.

Ideas:
  - Make sure you have "showInfo" option to true.
  - Restart the terminal.
Title: Re: Demo testing
Post by: biedermeier on June 21, 2012, 09:47:16 PM
Terminal restart it was.
Title: Re: Demo testing
Post by: robl45 on June 21, 2012, 09:57:34 PM
Terminal restart it was.

that fixes the issue, but it shouldn't happen in the first place, I had it yesterday, restarted 3 terminals and 2 came up correctly and one needed to be restarted again to come up, not a huge deal, but a deal if things crash and it needs to restart.
Title: Re: Features / Settings
Post by: SquareRoot on June 22, 2012, 12:13:27 AM
What is the process for saving a screen shot? I have set the screen shot item in properties to true.
Title: Re: Features / Settings
Post by: fmonera on June 22, 2012, 12:18:30 AM
What is the process for saving a screen shot? I have set the screen shot item in properties to true.

Then, every time the EA opens a trade it will save a screenshot in experts/files/

You can visual-backtest this feature (but the pictures will go to tester/files/ then).
Title: Re: Demo testing
Post by: timetotrade on June 22, 2012, 02:53:57 AM
Are you testing 5min on default settings or something else.

I'm doing some M5 testing parallel to the M15. But when I launched M5 EU and added the bot I got the smiley face but not the info screen?
No errors in the log what I can see.


(https://donnaforex.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fs7.postimage.org%2Fcsr75016j%2FROB.jpg&hash=590ecb22a68e8db89e3b1810d5937d8b) (http://postimage.org/)
upload photo (http://postimage.org/)
Title: Re: Live trades
Post by: robl45 on June 22, 2012, 04:08:43 AM
i ran a backtest on one set of settings i use but changed vol ratio from 3 to 2.9. drawdown went up a bit, profit factor went down a little bit and profit went up.  i'll try this now and see if it picks up the trades
Title: Re: Backtesting problems
Post by: websmith on June 22, 2012, 07:25:41 AM
The problem with dll appears when you are doing backtest for the second time and Robin vol attached to the window. If you remove Robin vol from the window the problem with dll when you are doing BT disappears.
OS: Windows Server 2003 64bit
Title: Re: Demo testing
Post by: fmonera on June 22, 2012, 09:41:46 AM
Terminal restart it was.

that fixes the issue, but it shouldn't happen in the first place, I had it yesterday, restarted 3 terminals and 2 came up correctly and one needed to be restarted again to come up, not a huge deal, but a deal if things crash and it needs to restart.

GREEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAT!!!!!!!!!

I found this stupid bug.

Now a good coffee, some testing on different brokers and I will release an updated version later today.
Title: Demo testing
Post by: biedermeier on June 22, 2012, 09:58:20 AM
Are you testing 5min on default settings or something else.

I'm doing some M5 testing parallel to the M15. But when I launched M5 EU and added the bot I got the smiley face but not the info screen?
No errors in the log what I can see.


(https://donnaforex.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fs7.postimage.org%2Fcsr75016j%2FROB.jpg&hash=590ecb22a68e8db89e3b1810d5937d8b) (http://postimage.org/)
upload photo (http://postimage.org/)

No, it's not default but you can see the settings in the picture I uploaded. Fmonera mentioned the inital settings in some post here earlier.

BT looks really impressive on M5 but with higher DD of course. I will try tweaking some more settings cause this looks really intresting.


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Title: Backtesting problems
Post by: biedermeier on June 22, 2012, 10:07:21 AM
The problem with dll appears when you are doing backtest for the second time and Robin vol attached to the window. If you remove Robin vol from the window the problem with dll when you are doing BT disappears.
OS: Windows Server 2003 64bit

Or if you do a BT and then change time frame and start a new BT. I closed the Strategy tester and launched it again and it works.


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Title: Re: Backtesting problems
Post by: fmonera on June 22, 2012, 11:21:53 AM
I think this is the same problem as the one I already fixed this morning. Please, test again once I release 1.5.5 version later today.
Title: Re: Releasing fmonera's Robin VOL
Post by: caddyhexe on June 22, 2012, 11:48:21 AM
Just a question, as there havent been many new posts recently.

Judging by the feedback from the pre-release versions, is the launch date still on target?
Title: Re: New releases
Post by: fmonera on June 22, 2012, 12:22:44 PM
FOREX Robin VOL 1.5.5

This version fixes the problem that sometimes the EA didn't read the configuration properly. That was causing the sporadic backtesting failures too. I couldn't reproduce any of the problems anymore.

I have removed the heartbeat, as it is no longer needed.

I have no more bugs in my list so I consider this version a RELEASE CANDIDATE. If everything goes right, this is the version I will release on July/1 as FOREX Robin VOL 1.6.0.

edit: added the EXE installer.
Title: Backtesting problems
Post by: biedermeier on June 22, 2012, 01:17:13 PM
Today we celebrate Midsummer here up north and my focus is elswhere. (Read drinking beer and party)

I will conduct the test tomorrow and let you know. Late afternoon tomorrow ;-)


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Title: Re: Live trades
Post by: fmonera on June 22, 2012, 02:26:02 PM
Long position opened in all my live accounts where Robin VOL is running (v1.5.5):

 - Pepperstone standard (all 3 accounts)
 - Pepperstone razor
 - Trading Point (new and shiny)
 - LiteForex (2 accounts)
 - AlpariUk
 - AAAFX

Demo ibfx and gomarkets opened the trade too.
Title: Re: Demo testing
Post by: jshear on June 22, 2012, 02:26:46 PM
Strange I see some have 2 longs open I only have 1 on 4 accounts?


Jeff
Title: Re: Live trades
Post by: websmith on June 22, 2012, 02:26:52 PM
I have 1 long position.
Open 1.2568
SL 1.2557
TP 1.2585
Title: Re: Live trades
Post by: jshear on June 22, 2012, 02:27:19 PM
Hi some have 2 trades open I have 1 on all my accounts.

Jeff


1.25675 entry
Title: Re: Live trades
Post by: websmith on June 22, 2012, 02:28:57 PM
Fernando, will it be available Robin Vol for jforex in the future?
Title: Re: Live trades
Post by: robl45 on June 22, 2012, 02:30:51 PM
i got the trade too.  this time default settings went in,  growthbot default settings of 5 60 2 did not enter for me, at least not the last time I checked a few minutes ago.
Title: Re: Live trades
Post by: fmonera on June 22, 2012, 02:34:18 PM
Fernando, will it be available Robin Vol for jforex in the future?

Yes, it's my intention if I get enough demand.
Title: Re: Demo testing
Post by: fmonera on June 22, 2012, 02:36:49 PM
Strange I see some have 2 longs open I only have 1 on 4 accounts?


Jeff

It happened to me on one instance, but the problem is that on the update to 1.5.5 I forgot to remove previous version from another chart :) Are you sure there are no more instances?

Which version of Robin Vol?

Which Broker?

Can I see a screenshot?

Thanks Jeff
Title: Installation problem
Post by: timetotrade on June 22, 2012, 02:48:32 PM
I have an installation problem now only on my VPS.

The robin VOl execution file now long opens on my VPS. It works fine on my home PC, but not VPS. All other programs open and execute fine, just having the issue with the robin exe one.

I have removed it and downloaded again but nothing. When i click on the EXE file to install a new copy onto another platform nothing happen, no licence opens up or anything. I have rebooted my VPS and everything.

It was working fine the other day when i was setting up demos, but has decided not to execute any more.

Any idea. If i can not install install from the EXE file, where are the files located in the MT4 platform so i can copy them across to another platform.

I know where the expert goes, but i can not see the DLL files in the libraries folder.
Title: Re: Demo testing
Post by: WiZARD on June 22, 2012, 02:51:25 PM
I have an eurusd buy @ 1.25685 - 15:15, still open...
I had an eurusd buy @ 1.25793 - 15:30, it was closed @ 1.25597 - 15:45
Title: Re: Installation problem
Post by: fmonera on June 22, 2012, 02:53:52 PM
The licence only allows you to run Robin VOL on one machine. To change to the VPS drop me a PM.

In case you are installing on the current active machine, try to re-download the installer. You have the last version here: http://www.donnaforex.com/forum/index.php?topic=6084.msg191442#msg191442

Regards

I have an installation problem now only on my VPS.

The robin VOl execution file now long opens on my VPS. It works fine on my home PC, but not VPS.

I have removed it and downloaded again but nothing. When i click on the EXE file to install a new copy onto another platform nothing happen, no licence opens up or anything. I have rebooted my VPS and everything.

It was working fine the other day when i was setting up demos, but has decided not to execute any more.

Any idea. If i can not install install from the EXE file, where are the files located in the MT4 platform so i can copy them across to another platform.

I know where the expert goes, but i can not see the DLL files in the libraries folder.
Title: Re: Demo testing
Post by: fmonera on June 22, 2012, 02:54:40 PM
I have an eurusd buy @ 1.25685 - 15:15, still open...
I had an eurusd buy @ 1.25793 - 15:30, it was closed @ 1.25597 - 15:45

Same as me.
Title: Re: Installation problem
Post by: timetotrade on June 22, 2012, 02:59:16 PM
I have already installed the licence on my VPS, but trying to set up a new demo and the installer will not work anymore, no idea why.

I just downloaded the latest one 1.5.5 installer and it will not install so i can set up a new demo. I click on it and nothing happens.

All other installers and programs work fime on the VPS just not robin installer anymore.

The licence only allows you to run Robin VOL on one machine. To change to the VPS drop me a PM.

In case you are installing on the current active machine, try to re-download the installer. You have the last version here: http://www.donnaforex.com/forum/index.php?topic=6084.msg191442#msg191442

Regards

I have an installation problem now only on my VPS.

The robin VOl execution file now long opens on my VPS. It works fine on my home PC, but not VPS.

I have removed it and downloaded again but nothing. When i click on the EXE file to install a new copy onto another platform nothing happen, no licence opens up or anything. I have rebooted my VPS and everything.

It was working fine the other day when i was setting up demos, but has decided not to execute any more.

Any idea. If i can not install install from the EXE file, where are the files located in the MT4 platform so i can copy them across to another platform.

I know where the expert goes, but i can not see the DLL files in the libraries folder.
Title: Re: Installation problem
Post by: fmonera on June 22, 2012, 03:03:50 PM
Do you have an anti-virus?

What is the size of the installer? (it must be 996676 bytes)

I have already installed the licence on my VPS, but trying to set up a new demo and the installer will not work anymore, no idea why.

I just downloaded the latest one 1.5.5 installer and it will not install so i can set up a new demo. I click on it and nothing happens.

All other installers and programs work fime on the VPS just not robin installer anymore.

The licence only allows you to run Robin VOL on one machine. To change to the VPS drop me a PM.

In case you are installing on the current active machine, try to re-download the installer. You have the last version here: http://www.donnaforex.com/forum/index.php?topic=6084.msg191442#msg191442

Regards

I have an installation problem now only on my VPS.

The robin VOl execution file now long opens on my VPS. It works fine on my home PC, but not VPS.

I have removed it and downloaded again but nothing. When i click on the EXE file to install a new copy onto another platform nothing happen, no licence opens up or anything. I have rebooted my VPS and everything.

It was working fine the other day when i was setting up demos, but has decided not to execute any more.

Any idea. If i can not install install from the EXE file, where are the files located in the MT4 platform so i can copy them across to another platform.

I know where the expert goes, but i can not see the DLL files in the libraries folder.
Title: Re: Installation problem
Post by: timetotrade on June 22, 2012, 03:07:51 PM
No anti-virus at all. 1.5.5 973 KB (996,676 bytes).

It is the same installer i have always used and none of them now work. I do not know why. They worked fine the other day on the VPS but have decided not to execute when i run them.

All other installer and programs open and run fine, so something must be stopping robin to install now.

Do you have an anti-virus?

What is the size of the installer? (it must be 996676 bytes)

I have already installed the licence on my VPS, but trying to set up a new demo and the installer will not work anymore, no idea why.

I just downloaded the latest one 1.5.5 installer and it will not install so i can set up a new demo. I click on it and nothing happens.

All other installers and programs work fime on the VPS just not robin installer anymore.

The licence only allows you to run Robin VOL on one machine. To change to the VPS drop me a PM.

In case you are installing on the current active machine, try to re-download the installer. You have the last version here: http://www.donnaforex.com/forum/index.php?topic=6084.msg191442#msg191442

Regards

I have an installation problem now only on my VPS.

The robin VOl execution file now long opens on my VPS. It works fine on my home PC, but not VPS.

I have removed it and downloaded again but nothing. When i click on the EXE file to install a new copy onto another platform nothing happen, no licence opens up or anything. I have rebooted my VPS and everything.

It was working fine the other day when i was setting up demos, but has decided not to execute any more.

Any idea. If i can not install install from the EXE file, where are the files located in the MT4 platform so i can copy them across to another platform.

I know where the expert goes, but i can not see the DLL files in the libraries folder.
Title: Re: Installation problem
Post by: fmonera on June 22, 2012, 03:19:05 PM
The DLL didn't change, so you can upgrade the EA by copying just the ex4.

If the installer works on other machines, there must be something preventing the installation in your session. I am not a windows expert, but I would look in the process list to see if there is something strange (such as a previous installer).

I tried on all my windows machines and works correctly.

No anti-virus at all. 1.5.5 973 KB (996,676 bytes).

It is the same installer i have always used and none of them now work. I do not know why. They worked fine the other day on the VPS but have decided not to execute when i run them.

All other installer and programs open and run fine, so something must be stopping robin to install now.

Do you have an anti-virus?

What is the size of the installer? (it must be 996676 bytes)

I have already installed the licence on my VPS, but trying to set up a new demo and the installer will not work anymore, no idea why.

I just downloaded the latest one 1.5.5 installer and it will not install so i can set up a new demo. I click on it and nothing happens.

All other installers and programs work fime on the VPS just not robin installer anymore.

The licence only allows you to run Robin VOL on one machine. To change to the VPS drop me a PM.

In case you are installing on the current active machine, try to re-download the installer. You have the last version here: http://www.donnaforex.com/forum/index.php?topic=6084.msg191442#msg191442

Regards

I have an installation problem now only on my VPS.

The robin VOl execution file now long opens on my VPS. It works fine on my home PC, but not VPS.

I have removed it and downloaded again but nothing. When i click on the EXE file to install a new copy onto another platform nothing happen, no licence opens up or anything. I have rebooted my VPS and everything.

It was working fine the other day when i was setting up demos, but has decided not to execute any more.

Any idea. If i can not install install from the EXE file, where are the files located in the MT4 platform so i can copy them across to another platform.

I know where the expert goes, but i can not see the DLL files in the libraries folder.
Title: Re: Installation problem
Post by: timetotrade on June 22, 2012, 03:29:08 PM
Thanks for the help.

I managed to get it working, it looks like my MT4 programs have all crashed on the VPS  and causing installation errors. I managed to fix the problem only after i deleted all my current MT4 programs and then installed new ones, now the robin installer is working.

So i am not sure why this happend. But something has corupted my MT4 programs and there fore would not allow robin to install. So i do not know if it was MT4 or the VPS.

Anyhow all working now.

Thanks again

The DLL didn't change, so you can upgrade the EA by copying just the ex4.

If the installer works on other machines, there must be something preventing the installation in your session. I am not a windows expert, but I would look in the process list to see if there is something strange (such as a previous installer).

I tried on all my windows machines and works correctly.

No anti-virus at all. 1.5.5 973 KB (996,676 bytes).

It is the same installer i have always used and none of them now work. I do not know why. They worked fine the other day on the VPS but have decided not to execute when i run them.

All other installer and programs open and run fine, so something must be stopping robin to install now.

Do you have an anti-virus?

What is the size of the installer? (it must be 996676 bytes)

I have already installed the licence on my VPS, but trying to set up a new demo and the installer will not work anymore, no idea why.

I just downloaded the latest one 1.5.5 installer and it will not install so i can set up a new demo. I click on it and nothing happens.

All other installers and programs work fime on the VPS just not robin installer anymore.

The licence only allows you to run Robin VOL on one machine. To change to the VPS drop me a PM.

In case you are installing on the current active machine, try to re-download the installer. You have the last version here: http://www.donnaforex.com/forum/index.php?topic=6084.msg191442#msg191442

Regards

I have an installation problem now only on my VPS.

The robin VOl execution file now long opens on my VPS. It works fine on my home PC, but not VPS.

I have removed it and downloaded again but nothing. When i click on the EXE file to install a new copy onto another platform nothing happen, no licence opens up or anything. I have rebooted my VPS and everything.

It was working fine the other day when i was setting up demos, but has decided not to execute any more.

Any idea. If i can not install install from the EXE file, where are the files located in the MT4 platform so i can copy them across to another platform.

I know where the expert goes, but i can not see the DLL files in the libraries folder.
Title: Re: Live trades
Post by: sponn on June 22, 2012, 03:45:14 PM
Hmm GoM has got this trade. And another one.

1. buy @ 1.25686, closed @ 1.25413
2. buy @ 1.25784, closed @ 1.25565

Fx Primus ECN demo - no trades today...
Title: Re: Demo testing
Post by: WiZARD on June 22, 2012, 03:57:49 PM
I have an eurusd buy @ 1.25685 - 15:15, still open...

closed @ 1.25409 - 16:45
Title: Re: Features / Settings
Post by: fmonera on June 22, 2012, 04:01:02 PM
Please, notice that you have a tool to backtest with and without weekend trading. This way you can make an informed decission about leaving it on or not.

After the launch, I will prepare a special version that will allow to select the time window and date to trade, so you all can backtest and analyze sessions, NFP or whatever.
Title: Re: Live trades
Post by: robl45 on June 22, 2012, 04:14:50 PM
two bad trades today, i think we can all safely assume this bot is done.  :)
Title: Re: Live trades
Post by: Tradenow on June 22, 2012, 04:17:38 PM
1 buy closed out with -20pips. 1.5.5

No problem so far noticed  :)

Title: Re: Demo testing
Post by: Makeda on June 22, 2012, 05:02:42 PM
First trades open with 1.5.4 .  see screen shot.
will try to install 1.5.5.
Title: Re: Demo testing
Post by: Makeda on June 22, 2012, 05:17:09 PM
Tried to use installer .exe for 1.5.5.  Got this error message:  No se pudo crear algunos ficheros.  Por favor, cierre todas las aplicaciones, reinicie Windows y comience la instalacion de nuevo. 

I don't speak much spanish but I believe this says close everything and restart windows and then try the installation again.  However, I had closed the mt4 demo platform and have my live trading platforms open.  I prefer not to close the live platforms right now.  So I will just install manually.

Makeda
Title: Re: Demo testing
Post by: timetotrade on June 22, 2012, 05:23:02 PM
fmonera

I know this is a trivial thing and only cosmetic, but at some point in future updates, could you shrink the info screen that we see on top of MT4, so it is a lot smaller. Right now it covers a large part of the screen.

That all said version 1.5.5 is really good. All the previous backtesting issues i was having, seemed to be fixed in the latest version. Right now it seems to be running very well and bug free fore the time being.

Thanks,
Title: Re: Demo testing
Post by: Makeda on June 22, 2012, 05:26:38 PM
Ok, just ignored error screen and continued on.  Robin Vol .exe file installed just fine now 1.5.5 up and running.  Will try some optimization and backtests when I get home in a couple days.   8)
Title: Re: Demo testing
Post by: fmonera on June 22, 2012, 05:27:34 PM
Tried to use installer .exe for 1.5.5.  Got this error message:  No se pudo crear algunos ficheros.  Por favor, cierre todas las aplicaciones, reinicie Windows y comience la instalacion de nuevo. 

I don't speak much spanish but I believe this says close everything and restart windows and then try the installation again.  However, I had closed the mt4 demo platform and have my live trading platforms open.  I prefer not to close the live platforms right now.  So I will just install manually.

Makeda

Yes it says exactly that. But it is strange as my devel platform is in english. I will look at it whennext time I generate the exe.

As long as the DLL is not modified, you can just copy the ex4 to the experts folder.

If I modify the DLL, I will make a special notice.
Title: Re: Demo testing
Post by: fmonera on June 22, 2012, 05:29:42 PM
fmonera

I know this is a trivial thing and only cosmetic, but at some point in future updates, could you shrink the info screen that we see on top of MT4, so it is a lot smaller. Right now it covers a large part of the screen.

That all said version 1.5.5 is really good. All the previous backtesting issues i was having, seemed to be fixed in the latest version. Right now it seems to be running very well and bug free fore the time being.

Thanks,

In future releases I can put an option for reduced display. What information is most important to you?

Anyways you can always put showInfo=false.
Title: Re: Demo testing
Post by: SquareRoot on June 22, 2012, 05:46:20 PM
2 identical trades on FXDD and IBFX for losses of 45 pips and 46 pips respectively. Using default settings.
Title: Re: Live trades
Post by: AtlantaSean on June 22, 2012, 06:00:08 PM
Still getting different results on these two brokers. Have two longs still open and getting these messages on Alpari US using v1.5.4.


2012.06.22 12:49:46   '209285': order #4056987 buy 0.05 EURUSD closing at 1.25652 failed [Prohibited by FIFO rule]

2012.06.22 12:49:46   '209285': close order #4056987 buy 0.05 EURUSD at 1.25790 sl: 1.24752 tp: 1.26139 at price 1.25652
Title: Re: Live trades
Post by: fmonera on June 22, 2012, 06:10:34 PM
Still getting different results on these two brokers. Have two longs still open and getting these messages on Alpari US using v1.5.4.


2012.06.22 12:49:46   '209285': order #4056987 buy 0.05 EURUSD closing at 1.25652 failed [Prohibited by FIFO rule]

2012.06.22 12:49:46   '209285': close order #4056987 buy 0.05 EURUSD at 1.25790 sl: 1.24752 tp: 1.26139 at price 1.25652

Robin VOL does not follow the FIFO rule, sorry. I never needed that.

I will implement the FIFO option for the next version. For now, close them manually and restart the terminal.
Title: FIFO option
Post by: fmonera on June 22, 2012, 10:09:34 PM
I need to setup an MT4 that enforces the FIFO rules. I went to Alpari US, IBFX and MBTrading and all either do not enforce FIFO in demos or already implements the FIFO in their backoffice so it is transparent for our terminal.

Which mt4 could I use?
Title: Re: Live trades
Post by: robl45 on June 22, 2012, 10:50:59 PM
Still getting different results on these two brokers. Have two longs still open and getting these messages on Alpari US using v1.5.4.


2012.06.22 12:49:46   '209285': order #4056987 buy 0.05 EURUSD closing at 1.25652 failed [Prohibited by FIFO rule]

2012.06.22 12:49:46   '209285': close order #4056987 buy 0.05 EURUSD at 1.25790 sl: 1.24752 tp: 1.26139 at price 1.25652

your best bet would either be to get a broker that does fifo in the backoffice or a broker not subject to the USA rules
Title: Re: Demo testing
Post by: timetotrade on June 23, 2012, 06:24:23 AM
Yes this is true. I did not think off that. I guess i can just put display (False). Switch it off and on as needed.

Thanks anyhow

fmonera

I know this is a trivial thing and only cosmetic, but at some point in future updates, could you shrink the info screen that we see on top of MT4, so it is a lot smaller. Right now it covers a large part of the screen.

That all said version 1.5.5 is really good. All the previous backtesting issues i was having, seemed to be fixed in the latest version. Right now it seems to be running very well and bug free fore the time being.

Thanks,

In future releases I can put an option for reduced display. What information is most important to you?

Anyways you can always put showInfo=false.
Title: Re: Demo testing
Post by: timetotrade on June 23, 2012, 06:28:45 AM
15m EU is already optimized for the max potential. I tried to optimize different settings on S1, S2, TP & SL for 15m and could not find any better settings than what we have in default.

I am in the process of trying to see what i can come up with on the 5m EU but that takes a very long time to optimize properly over the long run.


Ok, just ignored error screen and continued on.  Robin Vol .exe file installed just fine now 1.5.5 up and running.  Will try some optimization and backtests when I get home in a couple days.   8)
Title: Re: Demo testing
Post by: websmith on June 23, 2012, 07:41:40 PM
When I try to do backtest on default settings and on 4digit broker (Tadawulfx with fixed spread 3 pips or Instaforex) I am getting marging call. History of EurUsd is from history center. FOREX Robin VOL 1.5.5
Title: optimization for different pairs
Post by: robl45 on June 23, 2012, 09:42:12 PM
Has anyone found good settings for other pairs?  i'm trying gbpusd now but not really finding anything good, the pair just falls off a cliff during 2010 and never looks back.
Title: Re: optimization for different pairs
Post by: fmonera on June 23, 2012, 10:00:43 PM
Has anyone found good settings for other pairs?  i'm trying gbpusd now but not really finding anything good, the pair just falls off a cliff during 2010 and never looks back.

Time ago I looked GBPUSD on M5, M15, M30 and H1 and reached the same conclussion.

EURUSD M5, M30 and H1 has good settings.

AUDUSD on M30 and H1 has good settings too.

USDCHF on M30 has good settings, but a lot of the profit is due to catching the SNB intervention of some months ago.

USDCAD on M15 has good settings but opens too few operations, so maybe curve fitted.

EURJPY on H1 has profitable settings too.

All this is was only investigating SlowVol below 100. We will probably find very good settings on lower timeframes (M5, M15) with SlowVol over 200.

Those settings are from before I changed the volatility formula. I will research again the settings with current formula and will investigate too with SlowVol over 200.

I am not posting the concrete settings I found because they are not official and I don't know how they will work now. I prefer to dedicate a bit of care to research them again.
Title: Re: Demo testing
Post by: fmonera on June 23, 2012, 10:05:37 PM
When I try to do backtest on default settings and on 4digit broker (Tadawulfx with fixed spread 3 pips or Instaforex) I am getting marging call. History of EurUsd is from history center. FOREX Robin VOL 1.5.5

Interesting. To get a margin call there must be a problem with position sizing calculation.

I will test it now and tell you what happened.
Title: Re: optimization for different pairs
Post by: robl45 on June 23, 2012, 10:32:38 PM
as long as it will work with some reasonable degree on other pairs, then I guess its okay, don't want to be stuck with an unusable system if the eurusd goes away.  I figured gbpusd would work well though.  It is unsettling that it just stops working at around 6/2010.

Has anyone found good settings for other pairs?  i'm trying gbpusd now but not really finding anything good, the pair just falls off a cliff during 2010 and never looks back.

Time ago I looked GBPUSD on M5, M15, M30 and H1 and reached the same conclussion.

EURUSD M5, M30 and H1 has good settings.

AUDUSD on M30 and H1 has good settings too.

USDCHF on M30 has good settings, but a lot of the profit is due to catching the SNB intervention of some months ago.

USDCAD on M15 has good settings but opens too few operations, so maybe curve fitted.

EURJPY on H1 has profitable settings too.

All this is was only investigating SlowVol below 100. We will probably find very good settings on lower timeframes (M5, M15) with SlowVol over 200.

Those settings are from before I changed the volatility formula. I will research again the settings with current formula and will investigate too with SlowVol over 200.

I am not posting the concrete settings I found because they are not official and I don't know how they will work now. I prefer to dedicate a bit of care to research them again.
Title: Re: Demo testing
Post by: robl45 on June 23, 2012, 10:33:31 PM
When I try to do backtest on default settings and on 4digit broker (Tadawulfx with fixed spread 3 pips or Instaforex) I am getting marging call. History of EurUsd is from history center. FOREX Robin VOL 1.5.5

Interesting. To get a margin call there must be a problem with position sizing calculation.

I will test it now and tell you what happened.

maybe but more likely, he just has crappy data with a gap in it, that would cause the same thing.
Title: Re: Demo testing
Post by: fmonera on June 23, 2012, 11:44:32 PM
I installed TDFX demo and downloaded the data. Effectively, Robin VOL dies on it.

Look at the data, it is a complete joke:

(https://donnaforex.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fclip2net.com%2Fclip%2Fm77417%2F1340491358-clip-21kb.png&hash=e1da3cfc6add91f205d2cd1751b94731)

Do not bother to test any EA on this.
Title: Re: Features / Settings
Post by: leyuyeoh on June 24, 2012, 12:21:58 PM
Hello all,

once we have enable the RobinVOL, is it means that we can completely turn off the forexGrowthBot?  :)
Title: Re: Backtesting problems
Post by: deathlord on June 24, 2012, 12:39:41 PM
Haven't seen any problems with backtesting.

Can you launch an optimization process?
for the record, optimization works fine (i7-920, 24 GB Ram,  win2k8 web). I let it run for about half an hour, but then stopped it.
Title: Re: Features / Settings
Post by: websmith on June 24, 2012, 01:03:08 PM
yes, if you are using FGB only on Josep settings
Title: Re: Features / Settings
Post by: fmonera on June 24, 2012, 01:57:10 PM
Hello all,

once we have enable the RobinVOL, is it means that we can completely turn off the forexGrowthBot?  :)

You can make RobinVOL trade very similar to FGB by using specific settings and disabling some other settings. You will not get exactly the same results as the volatility formula is a bit different according to what I observed, Smart Exit is different, position sizing is different and there are other differences.

But I wouldn't run both at the same time.
Title: Re: Features / Settings
Post by: timetotrade on June 24, 2012, 06:23:14 PM
Robin VOL & FGB is pretty close to the same in my tests, but not exactly the same and over the long you can not really notice much of a difference between the two.

At least with Robin VOL you do not have to worry about losing control of trades, like we can get with FGB.

I have personally turned off FGB totally and only use robin VOL, at least now i can sleep better at night knowing that if my VPS reboots, or MT4 shuts down at least my open trades are still being managed once the platform is back up.

I have tested this out by shutting down the platorm while in open trades with robin VOL and all my trades closed out without an issue apon the right signal.

Hello all,

once we have enable the RobinVOL, is it means that we can completely turn off the forexGrowthBot?  :)
Title: Re: FIFO option
Post by: AtlantaSean on June 24, 2012, 06:47:55 PM
How about Forex.com US?
Title: Re: Backtesting problems
Post by: biedermeier on June 24, 2012, 07:32:50 PM
BT seems to be OK now regarding changing time frames.
Title: Re: optimization for different pairs
Post by: biedermeier on June 24, 2012, 07:41:03 PM
Has anyone found good settings for other pairs?  i'm trying gbpusd now but not really finding anything good, the pair just falls off a cliff during 2010 and never looks back.

Time ago I looked GBPUSD on M5, M15, M30 and H1 and reached the same conclussion.

EURUSD M5, M30 and H1 has good settings.

AUDUSD on M30 and H1 has good settings too.

USDCHF on M30 has good settings, but a lot of the profit is due to catching the SNB intervention of some months ago.

USDCAD on M15 has good settings but opens too few operations, so maybe curve fitted.

EURJPY on H1 has profitable settings too.

All this is was only investigating SlowVol below 100. We will probably find very good settings on lower timeframes (M5, M15) with SlowVol over 200.

Those settings are from before I changed the volatility formula. I will research again the settings with current formula and will investigate too with SlowVol over 200.

I am not posting the concrete settings I found because they are not official and I don't know how they will work now. I prefer to dedicate a bit of care to research them again.

So are you saying there's a difference between 1.5.5 version compared to other versions regarding SlowVol settings?

The reason I ask is due to pretty good BT on older versions on M5 settings and SlowVol = 200
Title: Re: optimization for different pairs
Post by: fmonera on June 24, 2012, 07:56:38 PM
So are you saying there's a difference between 1.5.5 version compared to other versions regarding SlowVol settings?

The reason I ask is due to pretty good BT on older versions on M5 settings and SlowVol = 200

All 1.5.x has the same volatility formula. But Robin VOL is more than one year old.
Title: Re: FIFO option
Post by: fmonera on June 24, 2012, 09:05:02 PM
How about Forex.com US?

I downloaded Forex.com US mt4 and it doesn't enforce FIFO. A quick manual test to check it:

(https://donnaforex.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fclip2net.com%2Fclip%2Fm77417%2F1340568250-clip-6kb.png&hash=31398cc7bad88b96a825f7866952e4b8)
Title: Re: optimization for different pairs
Post by: biedermeier on June 24, 2012, 09:40:42 PM
OK, got it.
Title: Feature discussion: weekend close
Post by: fmonera on June 24, 2012, 10:03:38 PM
On Robin VOL 1.5 (and future 1.6) if you activate weekend close the EA will simply close all the trades one hour before friday close.

This is suboptimal, and backtests shows that, to the point that I think it is worth to face the risk of an adverse gap.

But I think I can improve it a lot hopefuly to even being worth to activate this feature.

The thing is that a volatility breakout creates a weakness/strength zone that doesn't dissapear just because there is a weekend. So my plan is:

 - Close trades on weekends
 - On sunday open, check market conditions and rebuild the basket if market conditions are favorable enough

I would like to know your oppinion on that. Here is the flow chart:

Title: Re: Feature discussion: weekend close
Post by: bjanssen on June 25, 2012, 01:34:16 AM
Personally I think this will be hard to get profitable.  If the gap moves against us, great we got out and didn't lose anything.  If the gap moved in our direction, we didn't grab those profits and we are likely to hop in again.  When we hop in, chances are that gap will close and may even trigger our stops.  I would just trade the gap.

BJ
Title: Re: FIFO option
Post by: AtlantaSean on June 25, 2012, 02:57:43 AM
If you need my help live testing .01 lots on my account I can do that for you.
Title: Re: Feature discussion: weekend close
Post by: timetotrade on June 25, 2012, 05:57:01 AM
Never close trades before the weekend, i have tested this option before and it is far more profitable to leave open in the long run.
Title: Re: Feature discussion: weekend close
Post by: deathlord on June 25, 2012, 06:47:35 AM
Same for me, I don't close over the weekend, because the profit outweighes the risks by far.
Title: Re: Feature discussion: weekend close
Post by: fmonera on June 25, 2012, 08:12:36 AM
Personally I think this will be hard to get profitable.  If the gap moves against us, great we got out and didn't lose anything.  If the gap moved in our direction, we didn't grab those profits and we are likely to hop in again.  When we hop in, chances are that gap will close and may even trigger our stops.  I would just trade the gap.

BJ

The thing is that I observed that most of the times there is no gap or almost no gap, so closing trades hurts a lot the long term profitability of the EA as if we were closing normal baskets.

I will test if we can have the best of both: removing the weekend risk while keeping profitability (or at least making the profitability loss as small as possible).
Title: Re: Backtesting problems
Post by: WiZARD on June 25, 2012, 09:18:29 AM
I tried to make some visual backtests.
(I tried with the historic center data, as I didn't really care the results, I just wanted to se how it is trading...)

I got a lot of error msg like this:
"2012.06.25 10:20:31   2012.01.02 08:40  Robin-VOL-1.5.4 EURUSD,M15: function 'RobinV1' call from dll 'robinvo1.dll' critical error c0000005 at 03115D15."
Title: Re: Backtesting problems
Post by: fmonera on June 25, 2012, 09:23:29 AM
I tried to make some visual backtests.
(I tried with the historic center data, as I didn't really care the results, I just wanted to se how it is trading...)

I got a lot of error msg like this:
"2012.06.25 10:20:31   2012.01.02 08:40  Robin-VOL-1.5.4 EURUSD,M15: function 'RobinV1' call from dll 'robinvo1.dll' critical error c0000005 at 03115D15."

9 trades with high quality data.

You should be running 1.5.5 which fixes the backtesting problem: http://www.donnaforex.com/forum/index.php?topic=6084.msg191442#msg191442
Title: Re: Backtesting problems
Post by: WiZARD on June 25, 2012, 09:35:01 AM
thx, with 1.5.5 it works fine.
Title: Re: FIFO option
Post by: fmonera on June 25, 2012, 10:02:16 AM
If you need my help live testing .01 lots on my account I can do that for you.

Thanks.

But at this point what I need is a demo MT4 that enforces NFA rules to be able to develop it. If you need any, please, comment.
Title: Re: FIFO option
Post by: Makeda on June 25, 2012, 02:43:58 PM
FXsolutions  mt4 enforces FIFO.  Well, that's what their online chat representative said  ???  So I would try there.
Makeda
Title: Re: Feature discussion: weekend close
Post by: Makeda on June 25, 2012, 02:56:48 PM
I don't close before weekend but large basket with big gap would be trouble if it triggers the bracket SLTP on open after weekend gap .  Am I correct?  I have had that happen before, triggers SL then gap fills  >:(   
Title: Feature discussion: weekend close
Post by: deathlord on June 25, 2012, 03:07:44 PM
But the bracket sl is supposed to be disabled over the weekend for that very reason, so this shouldn't be a problem, correct?
Title: Re: Feature discussion: weekend close
Post by: fmonera on June 25, 2012, 03:17:00 PM
But the bracket sl is supposed to be disabled over the weekend for that very reason, so this shouldn't be a problem, correct?

Yes. On weekends the SL and TP is put at 30 times the recent range from the price.
Title: Re: Feature discussion: weekend close
Post by: Makeda on June 25, 2012, 03:23:02 PM
Thanks, missed that before. 
Title: Re: FIFO option
Post by: fmonera on June 25, 2012, 03:54:34 PM
I have the FIFO option already programmed. It was quick (as the code is very well written  8) ).

I get exactly the same profit and drawdown figures with and without FIFO (as expected). So I will probably make it FIFO always for everybody to keep the code simple.

I am testing it at the moment on FXSolutions (thanks makeda).
Title: Re: Feature discussion: weekend close
Post by: fmonera on June 25, 2012, 10:40:45 PM
I implemented and backtested the feature of closing trades on friday and reopening the trades on sunday/monday only if we get a good risk/reward.

Fixed lots:
 1- Let trades opened: 449204 profit, 13169 DD
 2- Friday close and reopen on monday: 391643 profit, 14692 DD
 3- Just friday close: 387315 profit, 13431 DD

The result of (2) is comparable to just closing the trades and not reopening (3). It increases the profit and increases the drawdown in similar proportion.

Veredict: not worth. By far the best option is still to just let the trades opened during weekends (1).

On Robin VOL 1.5 (and future 1.6) if you activate weekend close the EA will simply close all the trades one hour before friday close.

This is suboptimal, and backtests shows that, to the point that I think it is worth to face the risk of an adverse gap.

But I think I can improve it a lot hopefuly to even being worth to activate this feature.

The thing is that a volatility breakout creates a weakness/strength zone that doesn't dissapear just because there is a weekend. So my plan is:

 - Close trades on weekends
 - On sunday open, check market conditions and rebuild the basket if market conditions are favorable enough

I would like to know your oppinion on that. Here is the flow chart:
Title: Re: Feature discussion: weekend close
Post by: timetotrade on June 26, 2012, 03:38:08 AM
Yes i thought that would be the case, to leave trades open over the weekend is a much better alternative in the long run.

I implemented and backtested the feature of closing trades on friday and reopening the trades on sunday/monday only if we get a good risk/reward.

Fixed lots:
 1- Let trades opened: 449204 profit, 13169 DD
 2- Friday close and reopen on monday: 391643 profit, 14692 DD
 3- Just friday close: 387315 profit, 13431 DD

The result of (2) is comparable to just closing the trades and not reopening (3). It increases the profit and increases the drawdown in similar proportion.

Veredict: not worth. By far the best option is still to just let the trades opened during weekends (1).

On Robin VOL 1.5 (and future 1.6) if you activate weekend close the EA will simply close all the trades one hour before friday close.

This is suboptimal, and backtests shows that, to the point that I think it is worth to face the risk of an adverse gap.

But I think I can improve it a lot hopefuly to even being worth to activate this feature.

The thing is that a volatility breakout creates a weakness/strength zone that doesn't dissapear just because there is a weekend. So my plan is:

 - Close trades on weekends
 - On sunday open, check market conditions and rebuild the basket if market conditions are favorable enough

I would like to know your oppinion on that. Here is the flow chart:
Title: Re: Demo testing
Post by: WiZARD on June 26, 2012, 10:12:48 AM
11:00 - EURUSD sell @ 1.24861   - closed 12:00 - 1.25086   -22,5 pips
11:15 - EURUSD sell @ 1.24880   - closed 11:45 - 1.24987   -10,7 pips
Title: Re: New releases
Post by: fmonera on June 26, 2012, 11:11:06 AM
FOREX Robin VOL 1.5.6

This version adds the FIFO option as a request of one of our members.

Activating the FIFO option affects the order in which trades are closed in baskets, but does not affect the performance. In future versions FIFO will be the default way to trade (and the FIFO option will be removed).

I have no more bugs in my list so I consider this version a RELEASE CANDIDATE. If everything goes right, this is the version I will release on July/1 as FOREX Robin VOL 1.6.0.

The DLL was not modified so if you already have previous versions installed, you can just copy the ex4 to the experts folder and start using it.

edit: Updated ex4.
Title: Re: Backtesting problems
Post by: Makeda on June 26, 2012, 01:05:38 PM
1.5.5 optimization no problem
Title: Re: Demo testing
Post by: Curtis_S on June 26, 2012, 01:13:10 PM
When trying to attach the new version 1.5.6 to a chart (by drag and drop or right mouse click and attach to chart), nothing happens.
Title: Re: Live trades
Post by: Tradenow on June 26, 2012, 02:03:03 PM
and another trade -10.8

06.26.2012 09:00 06.26.2012 09:45    EURUSD    Sell    0.01    - -    - -    1.24870    1.24978    -10.8    -1.13    -1.08    44m    -0.19%    0.0000    -0.0500    

Title: Re: Demo testing
Post by: fmonera on June 26, 2012, 02:13:17 PM
When trying to attach the new version 1.5.6 to a chart (by drag and drop or right mouse click and attach to chart), nothing happens.

I rebuilded it from scratch and reuploaded it here: http://www.donnaforex.com/forum/index.php?topic=6084.msg192309#msg192309
Please, try it again.
Title: Re: FIFO option
Post by: timetotrade on June 26, 2012, 03:58:19 PM
Well that is interesting.

I just did a test on robin VOL 1.5.6 on both FIFO true & false over the 12 years and i get less DD and more profit with FIFO true.

That is very strange, considering i would have thought the opposite would be the case.

If this is right, then you might as well just make FIFO true for everyone.
Title: Re: FIFO option
Post by: fmonera on June 26, 2012, 04:10:00 PM
Well that is interesting.

I just did a test on robin VOL 1.5.6 on both FIFO true & false over the 12 years and i get less DD and more profit with FIFO true.

That is very strange, considering i would have thought the opposite would be the case.

If this is right, then you might as well just make FIFO true for everyone.

Are you sure? I get exactly the same figures for profit and DD. I will check it again.
Title: Re: FIFO option
Post by: fmonera on June 26, 2012, 04:17:01 PM
Well that is interesting.

I just did a test on robin VOL 1.5.6 on both FIFO true & false over the 12 years and i get less DD and more profit with FIFO true.

That is very strange, considering i would have thought the opposite would be the case.

If this is right, then you might as well just make FIFO true for everyone.

Confirmed. Results are exactly the same in terms of Profit and DD. Obviously the win% change a bit and the average win and loss size change too. But it doesn't affect the profit or drawdown even for a single dollar.

When you trade baskets, it doesn't matter the closing order of the trades. Even if you close them randomly you will get the same results.

(https://donnaforex.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fclip2net.com%2Fclip%2Fm77417%2F1340723603-clip-22kb.png&hash=f0c6419b69d77dbdbc8520f59088c361)

(https://donnaforex.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fclip2net.com%2Fclip%2Fm77417%2F1340723797-clip-23kb.png&hash=fd1150247d44c94ec37f0b49d1d41eda)
Title: Re: FIFO option
Post by: timetotrade on June 26, 2012, 04:47:11 PM
Well that is interesting. Either way the difference is not that great in my tests, so not sure why FIFO true gives less DD and more proft for me. Maybe my data is not perfect.

Still true or false makes no difference in the long run.

Well that is interesting.

I just did a test on robin VOL 1.5.6 on both FIFO true & false over the 12 years and i get less DD and more profit with FIFO true.

That is very strange, considering i would have thought the opposite would be the case.

If this is right, then you might as well just make FIFO true for everyone.

Confirmed. Results are exactly the same in terms of Profit and DD. Obviously the win% change a bit and the average win and loss size change too. But it doesn't affect the profit or drawdown even for a single dollar.

When you trade baskets, it doesn't matter the closing order of the trades. Even if you close them randomly you will get the same results.

(https://donnaforex.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fclip2net.com%2Fclip%2Fm77417%2F1340723603-clip-22kb.png&hash=f0c6419b69d77dbdbc8520f59088c361)

(https://donnaforex.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fclip2net.com%2Fclip%2Fm77417%2F1340723797-clip-23kb.png&hash=fd1150247d44c94ec37f0b49d1d41eda)
Title: Testimonials
Post by: fmonera on June 26, 2012, 05:21:56 PM
For the web page we would like to show some testimonials. Mainly we want to let people know that neither Donna nor myself are here to take your money and run, but we are serious and we are going to stay here.

If you have something positive to say, we would be very grateful if you could send me (or post) some words about:


Just some words are enough. We would publish them on www.robinvol.com.

Thanks a lot.
Title: Re: Demo testing
Post by: Curtis_S on June 26, 2012, 06:06:59 PM
It works now.
Title: Re: FIFO option
Post by: robl45 on June 26, 2012, 11:54:56 PM
i can confirm it backtests exactly the same, comparing older version to this one with fifo on, results were spot on.
Title: Re: Live trades
Post by: bjanssen on June 27, 2012, 12:29:20 AM
Yep, same here.
Title: Re: Features / Settings
Post by: SquareRoot on June 27, 2012, 12:51:32 AM
I would like to recommend a "reverse trade" feature. There would be an option in the settings where the user could select the reverse trade .... in other words .... instead of trading in the direction of volatility in would place a trade in the opposite direction. The idea here is that in certain fundamental market conditions there are immediate reversals after strong volatile action. The trade entry should be easy enough to accomplish but I don't know how that would fit with your exit strategy. .... other opinions are welcome.
Title: Re: Live trades
Post by: jshear on June 27, 2012, 01:49:22 AM
Me too
Title: Re: Releasing fmonera's Robin VOL
Post by: fulltimetrader on June 27, 2012, 09:22:34 AM
After FMonera posted the lineair backtest of RobinVol  I did some research with the Asirikuy P&DD analyzer and found the EA has good characteristics and potential. Here my Wanna Test and Wanna Have urge showed up, but the price for beta testing it was something I didnt like (>300 EUR). One of the following days I realized I had to compare RobinVol with Forex Growth Bot +mySettings that I run on my accounts. So I took the lineair Robinvol test and compared it with test results from FGB with my setfile, prepared with Dukascopy Tickdata with 1.5 pips spread.

Here is what I found:

(https://donnaforex.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1074.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fw412%2Ffulltimetrader%2FRobinVolFGBcurve2.jpg&hash=7f96ff117150a3a9f6d1054a7dd395df)

The resemblance between both curves is undeniably striking. RobinVols curve is pretty nice at start but flat at the end, while FGB started worse but ends better.

Here are the RobinVol 1.5.1 stats:

(https://donnaforex.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1074.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fw412%2Ffulltimetrader%2FRbinVolstats.jpg&hash=5a4b3290ef18853b5b6ebd7326fed929)

And here are the stats for FGB:

(https://donnaforex.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1074.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fw412%2Ffulltimetrader%2FFGBmySettingsstats.jpg&hash=25e545561a7d05c49d920c1a85fbbc0a)

Reward:Risk    RobinVol       3.02
Reward:Risk   FGB mySettings     3.13

So here the question rises: Why would I pay a firm USD500 for an EA, while I bought the original FGB already for a reasonable low price and with that tool I can achieve same results?
There is no reason for me to do so.

Some points I want to mention here:

This is what strikes me. Why does one (or should I say: Why do I?) allow that my attention is so easely triggered by New Stuff and that I almost get overwhelmed by talk and pictures, leading to a blurred vision and me having to fight against greed
I almost cannot see that I dont need the product
I just need to do my own homework
Succes comes with focus.
Title: Re: Releasing fmonera's Robin VOL
Post by: god on June 27, 2012, 10:02:02 AM
Simply because everyone doesnt have the brains or ability to optimise so will have to buy them out of a box ie. Robin VOL
Title: Re: Releasing fmonera's Robin VOL
Post by: 6y588 on June 27, 2012, 10:08:41 AM

Here is what I found:

The resemblance between both curves is undeniably striking. RobinVols curve is pretty nice at start but flat at the end, while FGB started worse but ends better.

Reward:Risk    RobinVol       3.02
Reward:Risk   FGB mySettings     3.13

So here the question rises: Why would I pay a firm USD500 for an EA, while I bought the original FGB already for a reasonable low price and with that tool I can achieve same results?
There is no reason for me to do so.


Thanks. +1 rep
Title: Re: Releasing fmonera's Robin VOL
Post by: rv73 on June 27, 2012, 10:16:13 AM
The absolute god-awful way FGB loses track of open orders when MT4 is restarted should be enough for anyone to try find a better solution.
Robin VOL solves this + has the backing of a vendor which gives a sh!t. I will be dumping FGB at first chance.
Title: Re: Releasing fmonera's Robin VOL
Post by: jubal on June 27, 2012, 10:53:00 AM
The absolute god-awful way FGB loses track of open orders when MT4 is restarted should be enough for anyone to try find a better solution.
Robin VOL solves this + has the backing of a vendor which gives a sh!t. I will be dumping FGB at first chance.

Agreed that FGB has issues but the simple fact is it costs $129 one off fee whilst this will cost $395 annual subscription. Doesnt make sense to buy it.  Fmonera has stated that its not a clone of FGB but your stats say otherwise. Really would like to hear what Fmonera has to say about this.
Title: Re: Releasing fmonera's Robin VOL
Post by: caddyhexe on June 27, 2012, 12:17:59 PM
The absolute god-awful way FGB loses track of open orders when MT4 is restarted should be enough for anyone to try find a better solution.
Robin VOL solves this + has the backing of a vendor which gives a sh!t. I will be dumping FGB at first chance.

I dont want to waste anyones time or teach anyone to suck eggs (you've probably been over this subject before) but as I saw this post, a few bad memories came flooding back.

I am not familiar with FGB and so this post could be irrelevant.

The more intellegent EAs write certain parameters to the "global variables" file to enable them to keep track of the open positions and "skeleton" of the strategy. This enables the platform to be re-started even with open positions.

The problems occur when the MT4 does not have the correct "rights" assigned and the global variable file is not written to disc. If you dont know how to assign the correct rights then the MT4 should be "opened as administrator".

If this helped just one person then it was worth while.

Best wishes to all
Title: Re: Releasing fmonera's Robin VOL
Post by: robl45 on June 27, 2012, 12:32:53 PM
The absolute god-awful way FGB loses track of open orders when MT4 is restarted should be enough for anyone to try find a better solution.
Robin VOL solves this + has the backing of a vendor which gives a sh!t. I will be dumping FGB at first chance.

exactly, this one doesn't lose trades and i've run it live and tested it for quite some time.
Title: Re: Releasing fmonera's Robin VOL
Post by: verado on June 27, 2012, 12:43:13 PM
Reward:Risk    RobinVol       3.02
Reward:Risk   FGB mySettings     3.13
May i ask what "mySettings" do you use? Are these settings near josephs or dramatically different?


So here the question rises: Why would I pay a firm USD500 for an EA, while I bought the original FGB already for a reasonable low price and with that tool I can achieve same results?
There is no reason for me to do so.
Why do you have "RobinVOL Jr. Member" under your username, when you aren't one?
Title: Re: Releasing fmonera's Robin VOL
Post by: fmonera on June 27, 2012, 12:47:30 PM
fulltimetrader, thanks for your post as it gives me the opportunity to detail what you get with FOREX Robin VOL.

With FOREX Robin VOL I am interested in making profits in the future not in backtests. FOREX Robin VOL default settings was researched using 3'5 years of out of sample (optimized only from 2000 to 2008/12/31). Almost all the FOREX Robin VOL results you are posting are from out of sample data. I am glad that it kept doing so good competing against optimized data :)

I don't know how you developed your settings, but if you are using only data since 2007 then you must be using most of the data as in-sample, and you are in good risk of curve-fitting.

I wrote a page about robustness in www.robinvol.com (still closed but I expect to to open it later today) and I am extracting an image from there:

(https://donnaforex.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fclip2net.com%2Fclip%2Fm77417%2Fthumb640%2F1340723029-clip-39kb.png&hash=0fbea1a495c08d97c0a6b25e4bbee3bb)

Out of curiosity, I optimized FOREX Robin VOL for the same period as you. I would be crazy if I traded this settings as I need 3'5 years of out of sample to guarantee robustness, but anyways here is what I got:

(https://donnaforex.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fclip2net.com%2Fclip%2Fm77417%2F1340794005-clip-10kb.png&hash=af95aa145caaf3c11f2b2eb06b092d0a)

(this is yours)
(https://donnaforex.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1074.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fw412%2Ffulltimetrader%2FFGBmySettingsstats.jpg&hash=25e545561a7d05c49d920c1a85fbbc0a)

But this is an absurd comparison. Tick data is not important in this EA, so there is no reason to not use all the available data since 2000.

So please, post a 12 year backtest of your settings so that we can compare apples to apples.

I bet that even curve-fitting FGB with the whole 12 years you will not get so good results as the official FOREX Robin VOL backtest. And if you leave 3'5 years of out of sample, you should get even much worse backtest results.

About the differences with FGB, here are some:

 - Much more trades due to different strategies to exploit volatility breakouts
 - Broker side SL and TP
 - Non-pseudomartingale position sizing but a correct one
 - Different options to fit each trader (avoid trade on weekends, timed exit configuration, dedicated balance, ...)
 - A lot of information (screenshots of trades, risk/reward, sl tp levels, ...)
 - Robustness against disconnections and restarts of MT4 with open trades
 - ...

About licensing / pricing:
 - Robin VOL is licensed to unlimited real and demo accounts and FGB is licensed to one single account (no matter if it is real or demo)
 - Robin VOL is oriented as a high quality service and support, otherwise I wouldn't have made it a yearly subscription
 - I don't want too many users as I want to give an excelent personalized support (the pre-release members may talk about my commitment during this period if they want)
 - It is a DonnaForex+fmonera product. That means you will not have problems with refunds, you will get first grade support and you are sure we would never risk our reputation on a bad product or service.

Obviously this is not an EA for people that want's to trade a $500 account as the pricing would be prohibitive. This is oriented to people that cares about their $5,000 and above account and that takes auto-trading seriously.

About the future, my plan is to keep trading this EA for many years and keep implementing features such as different volatility formulas, Walk Forward Analysis, VSA setups and filters, gap trading, asian session mode, manual trading and so on, and this is one of the reasons for a subscription price. From the original list (see the first post), bracketSLTP feature is already implemented, which allows me to sleep good knowing that my trades are always protected by Stop Loss and Take Profit.

P.S: don't get me wrong. FGB is an excellent strategy. But it is the EA what is not good in my oppinion. And the support.

After FMonera posted the lineair backtest of RobinVol  I did some research with the Asirikuy P&DD analyzer and found the EA has good characteristics and potential. Here my Wanna Test and Wanna Have urge showed up, but the price for beta testing it was something I didnt like (>300 EUR). One of the following days I realized I had to compare RobinVol with Forex Growth Bot +mySettings that I run on my accounts. So I took the lineair Robinvol test and compared it with test results from FGB with my setfile, prepared with Dukascopy Tickdata with 1.5 pips spread.

Here is what I found:

(https://donnaforex.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1074.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fw412%2Ffulltimetrader%2FRobinVolFGBcurve2.jpg&hash=7f96ff117150a3a9f6d1054a7dd395df)

The resemblance between both curves is undeniably striking. RobinVols curve is pretty nice at start but flat at the end, while FGB started worse but ends better.

Here are the RobinVol 1.5.1 stats:

(https://donnaforex.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1074.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fw412%2Ffulltimetrader%2FRbinVolstats.jpg&hash=5a4b3290ef18853b5b6ebd7326fed929)

And here are the stats for FGB:

(https://donnaforex.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1074.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fw412%2Ffulltimetrader%2FFGBmySettingsstats.jpg&hash=25e545561a7d05c49d920c1a85fbbc0a)

Reward:Risk    RobinVol       3.02
Reward:Risk   FGB mySettings     3.13

So here the question rises: Why would I pay a firm USD500 for an EA, while I bought the original FGB already for a reasonable low price and with that tool I can achieve same results?
There is no reason for me to do so.

Some points I want to mention here:
  • FGB is a wonderful EA in itself and clearly has potential for successful optimization by every user
  • It took quite small time and effort to develop the setfile I use for FGB
  • Everybody with brains and knowledge of optimizing strategies can do the same and find good settings
  • My live trading resembles the backtests and I am profitable with it.

This is what strikes me. Why does one (or should I say: Why do I?) allow that my attention is so easely triggered by New Stuff and that I almost get overwhelmed by talk and pictures, leading to a blurred vision and me having to fight against greed
I almost cannot see that I dont need the product
I just need to do my own homework
Succes comes with focus.

Title: Re: Releasing fmonera's Robin VOL
Post by: verado on June 27, 2012, 01:24:06 PM
About the differences with FGB, here are some:
 - Much more trades due to different strategies to exploit volatility breakouts
 - Non-pseudomartingale position sizing but a correct one
FGB has often the problem that after a volatility breakout the price retraces back to the 50% fibolevel, FGB is closing the position in loss, and with the next candles the trend is continuing. Do you react with RobinVol to this behavior?

What do you mean with "pseudomartingale position sizing"? Do you mean FGBs baskettrading? I thought this is the real strength of FGBs tradingstyle.
Title: Re: Releasing fmonera's Robin VOL
Post by: mikepipmaker on June 27, 2012, 01:35:30 PM
FullTimeTrader - Great observation and thanks for the in-depth post. I was starved of information on this EA. +1 rep to you. It is good to see new members bring out detailed studies and sharing their experience beyond "I made xxx pips today" or "the ea lost xxx pips today". This is exactly the kind of stuff which will make people come more frequently and spend more time on such forums. It does not have to right or perfect, but sharing what you think and observe will help enlighten others - healthy rich discussions will correct you if you are wrong, else any problem with the EA or strategy will be corrected eventually - members will benefit in the end of it all.  8)

Thanks fmonera for the detailed clarification - did not expect any less from your response. Will click your heart as soon as I am allowed to do so again  ;).

Your detailed knowledge and understanding of FGB is something that will inevitably and automatically reflect in Robin - I am not saying it is similar to FGB, but the similarity will exist when one tries to look for it.

Requoting my earlier reply #174

Quote
A preliminary backtest with fixed lot of 0.1 (minilot) will enable us to get more information than the compounding test. It really does not tell anything we need to know at the initial stages of the EA.  i am yet to see anyone who runs a EA for even 5 years non stop reaping the benefits of compounding. in most cases we either change or update or stop the ea for a better or later version.

From a fixed lot test we can very easily get the max dd in pips, average profit/loss size and a true value for the profit factor.  ... we will also know what to expect when we start from a particular point of time.

First impressions from the info provided by fmonera : This is a good replacement for FGB - maybe a more expensive option, but the feel and similarity will give a strong flavor of FGB. My expectation from the Robin will be a improved trend follower - bug free (unlike FGB). Would have expected fmonera to develop EA based on one hour time frames - the M15 is a turn off for me at this point - the tangy FGB flavour will be hard to leave behind. 

for me : It will either have to be FGB or Robin - guess I will not be the early bird. But very much interested and will be a good follower for some time. 

FGB is one of my better performing EA's - it has its problems and is bad quality EA with lousy support   - but what else are we supposed to expect for the 100 bucks we paid for it  :)

I have some very technical queries about the optimization periods used and backtest results, but will hold them back up to just prior to my purchase of your subscription (will want to observe it for atleast a month - only reason for this again is the sticky FGB flavor  ;D).
Title: Re: Releasing fmonera's Robin VOL
Post by: fmonera on June 27, 2012, 01:46:56 PM
About the differences with FGB, here are some:
 - Much more trades due to different strategies to exploit volatility breakouts
 - Non-pseudomartingale position sizing but a correct one
FGB has often the problem that after a volatility breakout the price retraces back to the 50% fibolevel, FGB is closing the position in loss, and with the next candles the trend is continuing. Do you react with RobinVol to this behavior?

Yes, but not as a filter. FOREX Robin VOL adds positions in the direction of the breakout on retracements.

Here is a picture of two days in may/2012. This is a nice picture, but obviously when the breakout is false this strategy just digs deeper into the hole.

The thing is that it is statistically proven that it improves a lot the main breakout strategy quality:

(https://donnaforex.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fclip2net.com%2Fclip%2Fm77417%2Fthumb640%2F1340719890-clip-58kb.png&hash=3af516128d63bc9d9bf3d03650202f68)

Quote
What do you mean with "pseudomartingale position sizing"? Do you mean FGBs baskettrading? I thought this is the real strength of FGBs tradingstyle.

FGB increases the position size when balance increases, but don't decrease it when balance decreases. So backtests looks much better as it increases the risk on drawdown periods.

And the whole "reinvest capital" concept is bad too for realistic position sizing. It will add more to position sizing on recent years where there are more volatility. But nothing guarantees this in the future, and I make money in the future not in the past.

Both are making FGB equity curve more pretty than it really is.
Title: Re: Releasing fmonera's Robin VOL
Post by: jubal on June 27, 2012, 02:03:04 PM
thank you fmonera for the detailed answers and to Fulltimetrader for making the point. This is exactly what is needed, People need to try to pick holes in Robin VOL and likewise Fmonera needs to respond appropriately. Full marks so far. rep to both
Title: Re: Releasing fmonera's Robin VOL
Post by: fmonera on June 27, 2012, 02:03:22 PM
FullTimeTrader - Great observation and thanks for the in-depth post. I was starved of information on this EA. +1 rep to you. It is good to see new members bring out detailed studies and sharing their experience beyond "I made xxx pips today" or "the ea lost xxx pips today". This is exactly the kind of stuff which will make people come more frequently and spend more time on such forums. It does not have to right or perfect, but sharing what you think and observe will help enlighten others - healthy rich discussions will correct you if you are wrong, else any problem with the EA or strategy will be corrected eventually - members will benefit in the end of it all.  8)

Yes, I completely agree. This is the kind of discussion that makes us better traders. What FullTimeTrader did was very good and benefits everybody. Researching it's own information and a critic/skeptical point of view is a must for a good trader.

Quote
Thanks fmonera for the detailed clarification - did not expect any less from your response. Will click your heart as soon as I am allowed to do so again  ;).

Your detailed knowledge and understanding of FGB is something that will inevitably and automatically reflect in Robin - I am not saying it is similar to FGB, but the similarity will exist when one tries to look for it.

Requoting my earlier reply #174

Quote
A preliminary backtest with fixed lot of 0.1 (minilot) will enable us to get more information than the compounding test. It really does not tell anything we need to know at the initial stages of the EA.  i am yet to see anyone who runs a EA for even 5 years non stop reaping the benefits of compounding. in most cases we either change or update or stop the ea for a better or later version.

From a fixed lot test we can very easily get the max dd in pips, average profit/loss size and a true value for the profit factor.  ... we will also know what to expect when we start from a particular point of time.

First impressions from the info provided by fmonera : This is a good replacement for FGB - maybe a more expensive option, but the feel and similarity will give a strong flavor of FGB. My expectation from the Robin will be a improved trend follower - bug free (unlike FGB). Would have expected fmonera to develop EA based on one hour time frames - the M15 is a turn off for me at this point - the tangy FGB flavour will be hard to leave behind. 

for me : It will either have to be FGB or Robin - guess I will not be the early bird. But very much interested and will be a good follower for some time. 

FGB is one of my better performing EA's - it has its problems and is bad quality EA with lousy support   - but what else are we supposed to expect for the 100 bucks we paid for it  :)

I have some very technical queries about the optimization periods used and backtest results, but will hold them back up to just prior to my purchase of your subscription (will want to observe it for atleast a month - only reason for this again is the sticky FGB flavor  ;D).

Nice :)
Title: Re: Releasing fmonera's Robin VOL
Post by: user456 on June 27, 2012, 02:04:15 PM
I am lucky enough to be one of the beta testers. I cannot say much about the performance of the ea because it just has not traded enough. The small issues that came up during the testing period were all immediately fixed by fmonera (somtimes on the same day). I prefer a higher-priced ea when I can be sure that it is working as expected and the support is excellent. Try getting an answer to your questions from the developpers of FGB ;) ... But if you are not lucky enough to have a bigger amount of capital to trade with then it is probably better to stick to FGB and live with its shortcomings.
Title: Re: Releasing fmonera's Robin VOL
Post by: verado on June 27, 2012, 02:20:13 PM
but obviously when the breakout is false this strategy just digs deeper into the hole.
Yes, but the stoploss can be set nearer or, with the same risk in $, the lotsize can be raised.

FGB increases the position size when balance increases, but don't decrease it when balance decreases.
Oh, you mean the MM in the advanced version. I didn't know that, i have only basic.
Thank you for your explanations.

So I am also interested in your EA, but not yet at the start on 1st of july, because I am on vacation the next weeks.
Title: Re: Releasing fmonera's Robin VOL
Post by: fmonera on June 27, 2012, 02:31:12 PM
but obviously when the breakout is false this strategy just digs deeper into the hole.
Yes, but the stoploss can be set nearer or, with the same risk in $, the lotsize can be raised.

In fact there are a lot of improvements that can be made on this strategy (for example, it's own stop loss / take profit, it's own volatility zone, ...) but I decided to keep it as simple as possible and limit the freedom degrees to avoid curve fitting. I am very serious on this, as I am risking a lot of personal money with this EA.

There will always be two versions of FOREX Robin VOL, the stable (1.6.x, 1.8.x, 1.10.x ...) and the testing (1.7.x, 1.9.x). The testing release will be of high quality too even to trade on real money, will be released very often and will include all the research I do on this strategy.

The 1.7.0 testing release (which will be released almost at the same time as 1.6.0) will probably add a lot of parameters to tweak on strategy 2 among other things.

Quote
FGB increases the position size when balance increases, but don't decrease it when balance decreases.
Oh, you mean the MM in the advanced version. I didn't know that, i have only basic.
Thank you for your explanations.

So I am also interested in your EA, but not yet at the start on 1st of july, because I am on vacation the next weeks.

Thanks :) I hope to meet your expectations.
Title: Re: Releasing fmonera's Robin VOL
Post by: fulltimetrader on June 27, 2012, 03:53:34 PM
I just see what I see gents.
I would post the fixed FGB code, but that would be infringing copyright, even without charging for it
Title: Re: Releasing fmonera's Robin VOL
Post by: Star on June 27, 2012, 04:00:39 PM
Hi Fmonera,

Can you please clarify if your ea will trade two strategies.The way I understood it it will trade a breakout strategy similar to FGB and a retracement strategy,similar to WSFR.

Thanks
Title: Re: Releasing fmonera's Robin VOL
Post by: fmonera on June 27, 2012, 04:17:58 PM
Hi Fmonera,

Can you please clarify if your ea will trade two strategies.The way I understood it it will trade a breakout strategy similar to FGB and a retracement strategy,similar to WSFR.

Thanks

The retracement strategy is not an independent one. It depends completely on strategy 1. In essence, what it does is to find more entry points for the volatility breakout. It first waits for a volatility breakout (main strategy). This create a weakness/strength zone. Then, wait for a retracement in this zone and enter in the direction of the breakout.

It uses the same trade management, exits and volatility setup configuration as strategy 1.

It is not scalping at all. In fact, the risk to reward is even better in strategy 2 than strategy 1.

Here is a backtest of the strategy 2 traded alone (please, note that this strategy is not meant to be traded alone, but as a complement of strategy 1). Look at the average size of wins and losses:

(https://donnaforex.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fclip2net.com%2Fclip%2Fm77417%2F1340809814-clip-20kb.png&hash=9afde9a809060a06d6610d4144fa5759)

(https://donnaforex.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fclip2net.com%2Fclip%2Fm77417%2F1340809966-clip-19kb.png&hash=a26210b139bf939f279a02167e66a682)
Title: Re: Releasing fmonera's Robin VOL
Post by: 6y588 on June 27, 2012, 04:34:53 PM
Hi Fmonera,

Can you please clarify if your ea will trade two strategies.The way I understood it it will trade a breakout strategy similar to FGB and a retracement strategy,similar to WSFR.

Thanks

The retracement strategy is not an independent one. It depends completely on strategy 1. In essence, what it does is to find more entry points for the volatility breakout. It first waits for a volatility breakout (main strategy). This create a weakness/strength zone. Then, wait for a retracement in this zone and enter in the direction of the breakout.

It uses the same trade management, exits and volatility setup configuration as strategy 1.

The strategy was explained clearly, and I can see its differences compared to FGB. +1 rep.
Title: Re: Releasing fmonera's Robin VOL
Post by: Star on June 27, 2012, 04:42:42 PM
Hi Fmonera,

Can you please clarify if your ea will trade two strategies.The way I understood it it will trade a breakout strategy similar to FGB and a retracement strategy,similar to WSFR.

Thanks

The retracement strategy is not an independent one. It depends completely on strategy 1. In essence, what it does is to find more entry points for the volatility breakout. It first waits for a volatility breakout (main strategy). This create a weakness/strength zone. Then, wait for a retracement in this zone and enter in the direction of the breakout.

It uses the same trade management, exits and volatility setup configuration as strategy 1.

It is not scalping at all. In fact, the risk to reward is even better in strategy 2 than strategy 1.

Here is a backtest of the strategy 2 traded alone (please, note that this strategy is not meant to be traded alone, but as a complement of strategy 1). Look at the average size of wins and losses:

(https://donnaforex.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fclip2net.com%2Fclip%2Fm77417%2F1340809814-clip-20kb.png&hash=9afde9a809060a06d6610d4144fa5759)

(https://donnaforex.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fclip2net.com%2Fclip%2Fm77417%2F1340809966-clip-19kb.png&hash=a26210b139bf939f279a02167e66a682)

Thanks Fmonera.Did your previous backtests include both startegies or just strategy 1 ? I would love to see a combined backtest of both strategies .
Title: Re: Releasing fmonera's Robin VOL
Post by: fmonera on June 27, 2012, 05:01:51 PM
Hi Fmonera,

Can you please clarify if your ea will trade two strategies.The way I understood it it will trade a breakout strategy similar to FGB and a retracement strategy,similar to WSFR.

Thanks

The retracement strategy is not an independent one. It depends completely on strategy 1. In essence, what it does is to find more entry points for the volatility breakout. It first waits for a volatility breakout (main strategy). This create a weakness/strength zone. Then, wait for a retracement in this zone and enter in the direction of the breakout.

It uses the same trade management, exits and volatility setup configuration as strategy 1.

It is not scalping at all. In fact, the risk to reward is even better in strategy 2 than strategy 1.

Here is a backtest of the strategy 2 traded alone (please, note that this strategy is not meant to be traded alone, but as a complement of strategy 1). Look at the average size of wins and losses:

Thanks Fmonera.Did your previous backtests include both startegies or just strategy 1 ? I would love to see a combined backtest of both strategies .

The official backtest covers both strategies combined. You can watch it here: http://www.donnaforex.com/forum/index.php?topic=5935.msg189501#msg189501
Title: Re: Releasing fmonera's Robin VOL
Post by: Star on June 27, 2012, 05:11:08 PM
Hi Fmonera,

Can you please clarify if your ea will trade two strategies.The way I understood it it will trade a breakout strategy similar to FGB and a retracement strategy,similar to WSFR.

Thanks

The retracement strategy is not an independent one. It depends completely on strategy 1. In essence, what it does is to find more entry points for the volatility breakout. It first waits for a volatility breakout (main strategy). This create a weakness/strength zone. Then, wait for a retracement in this zone and enter in the direction of the breakout.

It uses the same trade management, exits and volatility setup configuration as strategy 1.

It is not scalping at all. In fact, the risk to reward is even better in strategy 2 than strategy 1.

Here is a backtest of the strategy 2 traded alone (please, note that this strategy is not meant to be traded alone, but as a complement of strategy 1). Look at the average size of wins and losses:

Thanks Fmonera.Did your previous backtests include both startegies or just strategy 1 ? I would love to see a combined backtest of both strategies .

The official backtest covers both strategies combined. You can watch it here: http://www.donnaforex.com/forum/index.php?topic=5935.msg189501#msg189501

Looking good.

Thank you
Title: Re: Releasing fmonera's Robin VOL
Post by: Makeda on June 27, 2012, 06:21:48 PM
I am a pre-release user and have a few simple comments.
1) If all EA's were required to have as much professionalism and diligence applied to their releases and testing we would all sleep better (and spend less money on terrible EA's promoted by unscrupulous vendors).   >:(

2) If you add up all the cost (time and money) of coding errors, poor support, lost trades, optimization and searching for real answers on a forum, that amount will be way more than an extra $300 a year.  I guarantee it.  ;)

3) This EA trades as promised with easy install, stable function and great support.  The choice to buy is yours but you have all the tools to make a fair and well-informed decision because this vendor is very knowledgeable and professional.

Wishing pips to all, no matter how you trade!
Makeda
Title: Re: Live trades
Post by: websmith on June 28, 2012, 09:23:44 AM
Fmonera, how do you think, why Robin did not open the second short position?
Title: Re: Live trades
Post by: fmonera on June 28, 2012, 09:35:05 AM
Fmonera, how do you think, why Robin did not open the second short position?

It trailed the Stop Loss and Take Profit instead. Look at the current risk to reward ratio. At the moment it is targeting +106 pips and risking just 3 pips if things goes bad.
Title: Re: Demo testing
Post by: WiZARD on June 28, 2012, 10:37:53 AM
08:00 eurusd sell @ 1.24578
08:30 eurusd sell @ 1.24217
08:45 eurusd sell @ 1.24261
10:45 eurusd sell @ 1.24348
Title: Re: Releasing fmonera's Robin VOL
Post by: caddyhexe on June 28, 2012, 11:27:44 AM
I am a pre-release user and have a few simple comments.
1) If all EA's were required to have as much professionalism and diligence applied to their releases and testing we would all sleep better (and spend less money on terrible EA's promoted by unscrupulous vendors).   >:(
...

I take my hat off to fmonera. To undertake all the pre-release work in the forum is a brave move. The forum members are sharp and fmoneras responses are quick and detailed. I feel we can expect a solid support, post-release. Most "vendors" ignore improvement suggestions or the coding errors (in the very first EA I purchased, years ago, the stop-loss function didnt work and the reply, after several mails, was "We dont recommend using stop-losses, bye")

My opionion to the yearly fee is positive, as it encourages the vendor to stay on his toes.
Title: Re: Live trades
Post by: fmonera on June 28, 2012, 11:38:32 AM
Price is in the good zone for strat 2 to open a SELL trade. Let's see ...
Title: Re: Releasing fmonera's Robin VOL
Post by: fmonera on June 28, 2012, 11:39:34 AM
I am a pre-release user and have a few simple comments.
1) If all EA's were required to have as much professionalism and diligence applied to their releases and testing we would all sleep better (and spend less money on terrible EA's promoted by unscrupulous vendors).   >:(
...

I take my hat off to fmonera. To undertake all the pre-release work in the forum is a brave move. The forum members are sharp and fmoneras responses are quick and detailed. I feel we can expect a solid support, post-release. Most "vendors" ignore improvement suggestions or the coding errors (in the very first EA I purchased, years ago, the stop-loss function didnt work and the reply, after several mails, was "We dont recommend using stop-losses, bye")

My opionion to the yearly fee is positive, as it encourages the vendor to stay on his toes.

Thanks for your nice words :)

A few notes:

 - The pre-release forum will be opened completely this weekend and it's content will become public. Everybody will be able to read what happened in all 350 posts in two weeks.

 - About pricing:
      - The yearly subscription will be lower than announced (and for pre-release users, the discount will be bigger). The buy price (the first year) will still be the same.
      - There will not be monthly fee option for the moment
Title: Re: Releasing fmonera's Robin VOL
Post by: fmonera on June 28, 2012, 11:59:25 AM
Nobody knows how this basket will end, but I took a picture of last STRATEGY 2 entry.

Please, note the very good risk to reward:

(https://donnaforex.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fclip2net.com%2Fclip%2Fm77417%2F1340881049-clip-14kb.png&hash=31beb40c8f8ee3dea524d6c8dc5966d3)
Title: Re: Live trades
Post by: Tradenow on June 28, 2012, 12:10:19 PM
4 trades open here  8)
Title: Re: Releasing fmonera's Robin VOL
Post by: jshear on June 28, 2012, 12:13:37 PM
Fmonera: Are my entries on my ATC demo correct?



Thanks

Jeff
Title: Re: Releasing fmonera's Robin VOL
Post by: fmonera on June 28, 2012, 12:24:54 PM
Fmonera: Are my entries on my ATC demo correct?

Yes, the same 4 entries I have.
Title: Re: Releasing fmonera's Robin VOL
Post by: flatour on June 28, 2012, 12:44:24 PM
Fmonera, is there recommended brokers for RobinVol?
Or lowest spread, and that's it?

Fxprimus, Pepperstone, ICMarkets, Axitrader, ect would be nice?
Title: Re: Releasing fmonera's Robin VOL
Post by: fmonera on June 28, 2012, 01:02:19 PM
Fmonera, is there recommended brokers for RobinVol?
Or lowest spread, and that's it?

Fxprimus, Pepperstone, ICMarkets, Axitrader, ect would be nice?

Just decent order execution time. For example, with Liteforex I am getting bad results compared to the rest of my brokers. It is caused by 3 pip spread plus 15 second execution time on average. Bottom line is that Liteforex is too hostile environment to trade anything.

Obviously, the smaller the spread, the better. But spread doesn't affect too much.
Title: Re: Demo testing
Post by: Curtis_S on June 28, 2012, 01:23:06 PM
I don't understand why the first trade of the basket was not closed as a bar closed above it's SL (which was moved because of trailing). Was the SL in the picture higher when all other trades closed?

(https://donnaforex.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.donnaforex.com%2Fforum%2Findex.php%3Faction%3Ddlattach%3Btopic%3D6111.0%3Battach%3D14443%3Bimage&hash=7e3b027242d2c3546db62aee4df961a0)
Title: Re: Demo testing
Post by: fmonera on June 28, 2012, 01:45:16 PM
I don't understand why the first trade of the basket was not closed as a bar closed above it's SL (which was moved because of trailing). Was the SL in the picture higher when all other trades closed?

I suppose that MT4 charts are BID charts and probably it is comparing the Ask price (I cannot remember), but I will take a deeper look in the code.

But whatever the reason, it is the same behavior on backtests so it is not a bug. Here is a visual backtest of the same period:

(https://donnaforex.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fclip2net.com%2Fclip%2Fm77417%2F1340887381-clip-14kb.png&hash=206666280f6b9eefd7edb7c0c410a6bf)
Title: Re: Demo testing
Post by: WiZARD on June 28, 2012, 02:03:13 PM
same here.
Title: Re: Demo testing
Post by: robl45 on June 28, 2012, 02:05:24 PM
I was wondering abou tthis as well, I've seen many times when it will close above below the price and the trades will not exit.  eventually they do,but it seemed like they should have done it at other times.  Since it works and keeps control of the trades, I never worried too much about it, but at least I know i'm not crazy.  Well i'm probably crazy, but not on this :)

I don't understand why the first trade of the basket was not closed as a bar closed above it's SL (which was moved because of trailing). Was the SL in the picture higher when all other trades closed?

I suppose that MT4 charts are BID charts and probably it is comparing the Ask price (I cannot remember), but I will take a deeper look in the code.

But whatever the reason, it is the same behavior on backtests so it is not a bug. Here is a visual backtest of the same period:

(https://donnaforex.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fclip2net.com%2Fclip%2Fm77417%2F1340887381-clip-14kb.png&hash=206666280f6b9eefd7edb7c0c410a6bf)
Title: Re: Live trades
Post by: bjanssen on June 29, 2012, 02:14:47 AM
All 4 closed now.

24739385   2012.06.28 13:45   sell   0.01   eurusd   1.24350   1.25737   1.23188   2012.06.28 14:30   1.24515   0.00   0.00   0.00   -1.64
24735826   2012.06.28 11:45   sell   0.01   eurusd   1.24268   1.25776   1.23203   2012.06.28 14:30   1.24515   0.00   0.00   0.00   -2.46
24735360   2012.06.28 11:30   sell   0.01   eurusd   1.24222   1.25723   1.23165   2012.06.28 14:30   1.24512   0.00   0.00   0.00   -2.88
24732224   2012.06.28 11:00   sell   0.01   eurusd   1.24577   1.24929   1.23976   2012.06.29 04:00   1.24515   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.61

BJ
Title: Re: Live trades
Post by: AtlantaSean on June 29, 2012, 02:45:50 AM
It was interesting to see S2 work today. We almost had a winner.  >:( I was wondering who has used 5/60/2 with Robin Vol and is it worth running alongside 3/60/3? Also how does that affect S2?


Noticing that S2 Robin trades look similar to FGB default retracement trades although there are less of them and Robin opened a deeper better one. For now FGB has 3 and Robin has 2.
Title: Re: Live trades
Post by: eurosmarter on June 29, 2012, 07:42:02 AM
So far it's working exactly as it should. I can't decompile it but it seems to be a highly improved version of FGB which has the potential to make ridiculous amount of millions on the long haul.
Title: Re: Live trades
Post by: sponn on June 29, 2012, 10:58:13 AM
I love this bot...

1. it's trading the same way (same orders) with almost all brokers (some problems with liteforex only because of execution times) - so no complains about - my account is loosing when all other are gaining (f.e. blackbelt ea)
2. doesn't lose control of trades (we all know fgb LOL)
3. trading similiar to fgb but with a little better results (good strategy with even better settings)
4. has got strategy 2 - more green pips for everybody (very good entrys on retracement moves)
5. fmonera is still working and improving this... maybe other pairs maybe other timeframes (it's the best advantage of Robin VOL).

Regards

Looks like we have a long run million dollars bot... Great work fmonera.
Title: Re: Live trades
Post by: fmonera on June 29, 2012, 11:27:47 AM
I love this bot...

1. it's trading the same way (same orders) with almost all brokers (some problems with liteforex only because of execution times) - so no complains about - my account is loosing when all other are gaining (f.e. blackbelt ea)
2. doesn't lose control of trades (we all know fgb LOL)
3. trading similiar to fgb but with a little better results (good strategy with even better settings)
4. has got strategy 2 - more green pips for everybody (very good entrys on retracement moves)
5. fmonera is still working and improving this... maybe other pairs maybe other timeframes (it's the best advantage of Robin VOL).

Regards

Looks like we have a long run million dollars bot... Great work fmonera.

I appreciate a lot your words, really :)

My trust on this EA is enormous as I have been trading it for a lot of time with my own money.

I am writing a lot of analytical documentation, focusing a lot on explaining drawdown periods. I know this is against any logical marketing, but fortunately the Marketing responsible (Donna) have the same way of thinking as myself.

I will try to make people take an informed decission. I want to avoid as much hype as possible. The good thing about current drawdown period is that it will help a bit on this, keeping all the people looking for always-win-EAs far away.

As I said, thanks for your words.
Title: Re: Live trades
Post by: sponn on June 29, 2012, 11:34:52 AM
Forget to add number 6


6. no long dd periods (like 6 months with blackbelt). from what I saw it was 2 maybe 3 moths in a row...
Title: Re: Releasing fmonera's Robin VOL
Post by: DMFX on June 29, 2012, 11:54:51 AM
Is this EA still on target for a general release on the 1st July and if so is it being sold in limited numbers?
Title: Re: Releasing fmonera's Robin VOL
Post by: fmonera on June 29, 2012, 12:12:57 PM
Is this EA still on target for a general release on the 1st July and if so is it being sold in limited numbers?

The release date is on the 2nd July (monday).

The limit is the number of customers I am able to manage while keeping a high quality personalized service. I cannot give you a number at this time.
Title: Re: Releasing fmonera's Robin VOL
Post by: fmonera on June 29, 2012, 10:10:55 PM
This is how the market left FOREX Robin VOL after the market close today with default settings (this is one of my live accounts):

(https://donnaforex.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fclip2net.com%2Fclip%2Fm77417%2F1341003742-clip-7kb.png&hash=aa2c86eeb7f6d3b847aef11f2a094c2f)

Explanation:
 - 7 opened trades (4 of them from strategy 2 by the way), with one already closed (and other reopened).
 - Target: 950 pips
 - Risk if things goes wrong: nothing. We already locked 105 pips of profit (including 34 pips already banked).

When talking about target pips or risk pips, this is not absolute measures, as price needs to close behind TP or SL to close positions.

Obviously, a weekend gap does not respect anything of this, so this could end with a big profit or a big loss.

This is the worst scenario I could imagine for the monday (the day I start selling the EA)  ;D
Title: Re: Releasing fmonera's Robin VOL
Post by: robl45 on June 29, 2012, 11:07:40 PM
i only got 5 trades on with those settings and my profit is worse and my risk is higher too, still good though.  my previous trades just about matches perfectly with yours.
Title: Re: Releasing fmonera's Robin VOL
Post by: fmonera on June 29, 2012, 11:21:22 PM
i only got 5 trades on with those settings and my profit is worse and my risk is higher too, still good though.  my previous trades just about matches perfectly with yours.

Pepperstone Razor rocks :P

By the way, last two positions were opened two bars before market closing. Maybe your broker closed before.
Title: Re: Releasing fmonera's Robin VOL
Post by: robl45 on June 29, 2012, 11:48:53 PM
i only got 5 trades on with those settings and my profit is worse and my risk is higher too, still good though.  my previous trades just about matches perfectly with yours.

Pepperstone Razor rocks :P

By the way, last two positions were opened two bars before market closing. Maybe your broker closed before.

that explains it, yes my current broker closes at 4pm EST instead of 5pm EST like a lot close.  but 4-5PM is mostly noise anyway.  I always eliminate the last hour when sizing a gap as that is likely where the gap will close to.
Title: Re: Releasing fmonera's Robin VOL
Post by: jshear on June 30, 2012, 12:09:07 AM
My Pepperstone Razor account got same trades as Fmonera. Cheers everyone have a nice weekend.  Thanks for the great product.



Jeff :)
Title: Re: Releasing fmonera's Robin VOL
Post by: FGB-Human on June 30, 2012, 06:56:31 AM
My Pepperstone Razor account got same trades as Fmonera. Cheers everyone have a nice weekend.  Thanks for the great product.



Jeff :)

Jeff, thank you for helping us... is that your pepperstone live or Demo? I just need to know if my results will match with the vendor if I apply it on a demo account on the same broker.

you too have a wonderful weekend... thanks  :)
Title: Re: Releasing fmonera's Robin VOL
Post by: jshear on June 30, 2012, 10:08:55 AM
That is live account
Title: Re: Releasing fmonera's Robin VOL
Post by: reinerh on July 01, 2012, 03:52:46 PM
fmonera,

i am curious,

did you run both strategies on your forward live accounts from the start ?

or is one over the other recommended ?

Title: Re: Releasing fmonera's Robin VOL
Post by: fmonera on July 01, 2012, 06:13:50 PM
fmonera,

i am curious,

did you run both strategies on your forward live accounts from the start ?

or is one over the other recommended ?

Running both strategies is recommended on default settings.

About the forward live accounts, until May/2012 I didn't expect to sell FOREX Robin VOL, so I didn't log the changes made in configuration. Sometimes they had old strat 2 (with a bit worse settings than current default).  Risk settings were changed too. Most of the time they had atrAdjustedMM on. Most of the weekends I closed the positions manually as both account owners prefer that way.

Due to all of this you cannot really use them to measure performance to the pip (they would show far better results then). But you can use them to know that FOREX Robin VOL ran without bugs since months managing a 20K euro and a 3k euro account.

On my personal accounts, I run FOREX Robin VOL with other EAs and I change settings often too.

I am setting up a third real account where I plan to run FOREX Robin VOL unmodified default settings. I will make forward-backtest comparisons from time to time over this account. It will be ready tomorrow I hope.
Title: Re: Releasing fmonera's Robin VOL
Post by: reinerh on July 01, 2012, 06:20:24 PM
ah super,

now i have a better idea, thanks much for clarifying.

i will run default then as well.

and the code was non buggy which the forward has shown thats comforting to know.
Title: Re: Releasing fmonera's Robin VOL
Post by: fmonera on July 01, 2012, 06:32:17 PM
I finished the user manual. 56 pages written in english (which is not my native language).

I included a lot of details about the strategy, an extended statistical analysis, anti-marketing information :P such as how to identify when the EA loose it's edge, low risk recomended settings, robustness measures and many more things.

I have put special care on the drawdown analysis section (this is anti-marketing too :D ). But it is extremely important to understand that to earn money with FOREX Robin VOL.

I hope you like it. I think it is worth reading. Most of the contents of the manual is published in www.robinvol.com too, which I will open later today.

Forgot to say ... my brain is fried :P
Title: FOREX Robin VOL
Post by: fmonera on July 02, 2012, 01:42:10 AM
FOREX Robin VOL 1.6.0 has been released

I am very happy to announce that FOREX Robin VOL 1.6.0 (http://www.robinvol.com) has been launched and is available for purchase. If your are interested, please, visit http://www.robinvol.com to read the details about the EA, pricing, strategy and a deep statistical analysis about the EA.

I want to give special thanks to all the people that helped in the pre-release period :)

New releases and user community are going to be managed through donnaforex forum, so we will create a dedicated section for FOREX Robin VOL.

Being FOREX Robin VOL a joint between Donna and me, there will be a formal announcement by Donna about this release too.

Thanks a lot for all the support :)
Title: FOREX Robin VOL
Post by: e1vis on July 02, 2012, 01:55:29 AM
FOREX Robin VOL 1.6.0 has been released

I am very happy to announce that FOREX Robin VOL 1.6.0 (http://www.robinvol.com) has been launched and is available for purchase. If your are interested, please, visit http://www.robinvol.com to read the details about the EA, pricing, strategy and a deep statistical analysis about the EA.

I want to give special thanks to all the people that helped in the pre-release period :)

New releases and user community are going to be managed through donnaforex forum, so we will create a dedicated section for FOREX Robin VOL.

Being FOREX Robin VOL a joint between Donna and me, there will be a formal announcement by Donna about this release too.

Thanks a lot for all the support :)

Hi fmonera - am getting lots of page not found errors eg clicking on any of the four icons on the main homepage or the backtest links give me errors
Title: Re: FOREX Robin VOL
Post by: Kaoripips on July 02, 2012, 02:01:10 AM
Yes, I experiment the same thing
Title: Re: FOREX Robin VOL
Post by: fmonera on July 02, 2012, 02:03:26 AM
FOREX Robin VOL 1.6.0 has been released

I am very happy to announce that FOREX Robin VOL 1.6.0 (http://www.robinvol.com) has been launched and is available for purchase. If your are interested, please, visit http://www.robinvol.com to read the details about the EA, pricing, strategy and a deep statistical analysis about the EA.

I want to give special thanks to all the people that helped in the pre-release period :)

New releases and user community are going to be managed through donnaforex forum, so we will create a dedicated section for FOREX Robin VOL.

Being FOREX Robin VOL a joint between Donna and me, there will be a formal announcement by Donna about this release too.

Thanks a lot for all the support :)

Hi fmonera - am getting lots of page not found errors eg clicking on any of the four icons on the main homepage or the backtest links give me errors

Fixed. It was a typo in the web server configuration.
Title: Re: FOREX Robin VOL
Post by: reinerh on July 02, 2012, 02:04:36 AM
he been working on the manual all day,

i am sure he will fix the links tomorrow.

he need a well deserved rest i think :)
Title: FOREX Robin VOL
Post by: e1vis on July 02, 2012, 02:06:27 AM
FOREX Robin VOL 1.6.0 has been released

I am very happy to announce that FOREX Robin VOL 1.6.0 (http://www.robinvol.com) has been launched and is available for purchase. If your are interested, please, visit http://www.robinvol.com to read the details about the EA, pricing, strategy and a deep statistical analysis about the EA.

I want to give special thanks to all the people that helped in the pre-release period :)

New releases and user community are going to be managed through donnaforex forum, so we will create a dedicated section for FOREX Robin VOL.

Being FOREX Robin VOL a joint between Donna and me, there will be a formal announcement by Donna about this release too.

Thanks a lot for all the support :)

Hi fmonera - am getting lots of page not found errors eg clicking on any of the four icons on the main homepage or the backtest links give me errors

Fixed. It was a typo in the web server configuration.

Great, thanks - very excited to read all about it. Am sure I'll be on board very soon  😊
Title: Re: FOREX Robin VOL
Post by: Bigsteve on July 02, 2012, 02:27:07 AM
Hey fmonera good luck buddy!!!!!
The website looks nice and so do the results :)
My hands are a bit full at the moment but when I can open another account with ILQ it will be solely for this EA
Congratulations on the hard work put into Robin VOL
Title: Re: FOREX Robin VOL
Post by: SiriAM on July 02, 2012, 02:39:35 AM
Thanks for your input so far Fmonera. Can RobinVOL be applied to other currency pairs? Yes, I know that it was designed for EURUSD but will the expert trade on another chart too?
Title: Re: FOREX Robin VOL
Post by: fmonera on July 02, 2012, 02:46:04 AM
Thanks for your input so far Fmonera. Can RobinVOL be applied to other currency pairs? Yes, I know that it was designed for EURUSD but will the expert trade on another chart too?

Yes it can trade on any pair and any timeframe. In the manual there are guidelines to research robust parameters for other pairs and/or TFs.
Title: Re: Live trades
Post by: AtlantaSean on July 02, 2012, 03:30:18 AM
fmonera, when a trade is open and the MT4 terminal closes & reopens, is it normal to lose the display info? It shows:
CURRENT BASKET
Banked - 0
PREV BASKET
Trades - 0
Tgt/Rsk - 0/0
Banked - 0
Title: Re: FOREX Robin VOL
Post by: SiriAM on July 02, 2012, 06:29:53 AM
I've just made a backtest with standard settings - impressive. I then set atrAdjustedMM to true and it returned a zero divide error. What's the fix?
Title: Re: FOREX Robin VOL
Post by: flash1 on July 02, 2012, 07:07:43 AM
Hi

In the back test is 1.5% max per basket or max per trade? Also what is the Maximum exposure I can have an any one time with this bot?

Thanks Regards Flash
Title: Re: FOREX Robin VOL
Post by: websmith on July 02, 2012, 07:40:20 AM
Hi

In the back test is 1.5% max per basket or max per trade? Also what is the Maximum exposure I can have an any one time with this bot?

Thanks Regards Flash

1% matches 0.01 lot per $1000
Title: Re: FOREX Robin VOL
Post by: fmonera on July 02, 2012, 07:50:10 AM
I've just made a backtest with standard settings - impressive. I then set atrAdjustedMM to true and it returned a zero divide error. What's the fix?

Probably you don't have enough history data. Set fixed dates for the backtest and tell me if that fixes the error (for example, 2000/01/01 to today).
Title: Re: FOREX Robin VOL
Post by: fmonera on July 02, 2012, 07:57:57 AM
Hi

In the back test is 1.5% max per basket or max per trade? Also what is the Maximum exposure I can have an any one time with this bot?

Thanks Regards Flash

It is the risk per trade.

About the maximum exposure, everything is relative to the recent range, so cannot be calculated. But with an "open equity analysis" you can see how "close" was the equity to the balance curve (it was very close by the way).
Title: Re: Live trades
Post by: fmonera on July 02, 2012, 08:09:03 AM
fmonera, when a trade is open and the MT4 terminal closes & reopens, is it normal to lose the display info? It shows:
CURRENT BASKET
Banked - 0
PREV BASKET
Trades - 0
Tgt/Rsk - 0/0
Banked - 0

If the market is closed yes. But once it receives the first tick, the order should be in the orders list.

If not, then be sure that you are using the same Magic_Number between reboots.
Title: Re: FOREX Robin VOL
Post by: russ996 on July 02, 2012, 08:12:54 AM
Hi

This looks to be a very strong EA.

I wonder during the test phase if anybody trialled Robin Vol on a UK spreadbet account?

If so how did the results compare to the recommended broker?

Many thanks
Title: Re: Demo testing
Post by: WiZARD on July 02, 2012, 08:17:08 AM
Most of my positions were closed today morning, it left only 1, the first buy position open.
I had to restart the mt4 client, as I wanted to install 1.6
When I restarted it, it immediately closed the open position.  ???
Title: Re: Demo testing
Post by: fmonera on July 02, 2012, 08:29:24 AM
Most of my positions were closed today morning, it left only 1, the first buy position open.
I had to restart the mt4 client, as I wanted to install 1.6
When I restarted it, it immediately closed the open position.  ???

If you restarted and at the last bar there was a signal to close (either a SL or a contrary entry signal) then it would execute this signal at the open and close the positions.

This can happen with entry signals too. If it opens a position and you immediatly stop and then start again, it will open a position at the start.

This is the normal behavior (execute signals on bar 1) although I understand it is counterintuitive. I will try to make it more intuitive in future versions. Disallowing trading for one bar after restarting seems a good thing here.
Title: Re: FOREX Robin VOL
Post by: donnaforex on July 02, 2012, 08:58:15 AM
Just a note to say that i have created the RobinVOL forum section and it is now viewable.

Congrats to fmonera for creating what looks like a great EA, I know he has worked incredibly hard on this. Thanks too to all those leaving feedback, both good and bad - and to all the people who have assisted so far... i look forward to seeing how things progress over the coming months and wish us all many pips,

Donna
Title: Re: General talk about Robin VOL
Post by: pay888 on July 02, 2012, 09:55:39 AM
HI, fmonera.

I am interesting.   

How much is it?

Which broker Recommend?

Alpari NZ ,ok?
Title: Re: General talk about Robin VOL
Post by: fmonera on July 02, 2012, 10:01:59 AM
HI, fmonera.

I am interesting.   

How much is it?

Which broker Recommend?

Alpari NZ ,ok?

It is $395 (+195 every subsequent year).

Any non-scam broker is ok (I will add this to the FAQ).
Title: Re: General talk about Robin VOL
Post by: websmith on July 02, 2012, 10:07:52 AM
HI, fmonera.

I am interesting.   

How much is it?

Which broker Recommend?

Alpari NZ ,ok?

It is not broker dependent. I run it on Alpari NZ. It is doing good so far.
Title: Re: General talk about Robin VOL
Post by: Philipe on July 02, 2012, 10:12:43 AM
Hello Fmonera,

What is going to happen when your ea reaches its worst case scenario?
What will happen to  your customers when it does?

regards,
Philipe
Title: Re: General talk about Robin VOL
Post by: fmonera on July 02, 2012, 10:38:18 AM
Hello Fmonera,

What is going to happen when your ea reaches its worst case scenario?
What will happen to  your customers when it does?

regards,
Philipe

The worst case scenario is a line that every customer has to draw for himself.

Given the serious robustness measures (http://www.robinvol.com/robustness-measures/) in FOREX Robin VOL, I don't expect that default settings are going to reach the worst case scenario soon. But it will come eventually for sure.

As you might know, I am working hard in implementing "Walk Forward" features to FOREX Robin VOL and I already published preliminary test on that.

Walk Forward will make the concept of worst case scenario obsolete:

 - When market erases the inefficience that this EA exploits, the EA will trade very few or will simply not trade, as it will not find good enough settings to trade
 - When the market becomes inefficient again on this strategy, the EA will start to find good settings to trade

I hope this answers your question.
 
(To the FAQ) :)
Title: Re: General talk about Robin VOL
Post by: Philipe on July 02, 2012, 10:48:47 AM
But on default,what is your max drawdown,when you yourself are going to stop using Robin?

Regards,
Philipe
Title: Re: General talk about Robin VOL
Post by: fmonera on July 02, 2012, 11:05:27 AM
But on default,what is your max drawdown,when you yourself are going to stop using Robin?

Regards,
Philipe

Look here: http://www.robinvol.com/statistical-analysis/

In the "Montecarlo Analysis" section I posted where are my limits.
Title: Re: General talk about Robin VOL
Post by: websmith on July 02, 2012, 11:27:51 AM
But on default,what is your max drawdown,when you yourself are going to stop using Robin?

Regards,
Philipe

It will be necessary to change default settings (using walk forward) or stop using EA when Robin VOL will has 30 consecutive losses (the worst case scenario)
from http://www.robinvol.com/statistical-analysis/
Title: Re: General talk about Robin VOL
Post by: Philipe on July 02, 2012, 11:34:45 AM
 If Robin fails in the first year(over 16% drawdown)we can make the math.
Initial investment $5000,00
Cost of the ea     $ 400,00
16% of  4600=    $736,00

So we could lose  $1136,00 on an investment of 5000,00.And then we should stop trading the ea !

regards,
Philipe


Title: Re: General talk about Robin VOL
Post by: fmonera on July 02, 2012, 11:42:56 AM
If Robin fails in the first year(over 16% drawdown)we can make the math.
Initial investment $5000,00
Cost of the ea     $ 400,00
16% of  4600=    $736,00

So we could lose  $1136,00 on an investment of 5000,00.And then we should stop trading the ea !

regards,
Philipe

On the url I told you it is written: "As we are trading concurrent trades, I think it is wise to give a little more room to the Worst Case Scenario. Instead the 20.12% I personally prefer to set it at around 30% for this risk settings. But this level is very personal. It is your business decision."

That said, your maths are correct.

The fact that other vendor's don't tell you a way to identify WHEN (not if) their edge will be erased from the market doesn't mean that it will not happen. It just means that you will be trading blind. Either they didn't took the work to analyze it's own EA, or worse ...

Please, read the robustness measures (http://www.robinvol.com/robustness-measures/) to know why I think there are lower probabilities to happen that on the first year than with other EAs.
Title: Re: General talk about Robin VOL
Post by: Philipe on July 02, 2012, 12:07:41 PM
Dear Fmonera,
I know that have done a good job.

In Asirikuy however there are many systems with great backtests,but they only made (at this moment) 6% in two years.

Can you please tell me why you think your ea will do better ?

regards,
Philipe
Title: Re: General talk about Robin VOL
Post by: fmonera on July 02, 2012, 12:32:24 PM
Dear Fmonera,
I know that have done a good job.

In Asirikuy however there are many systems with great backtests,but they only made (at this moment) 6% in two years.

Can you please tell me why you think your ea will do better ?

regards,
Philipe

Hmmm, I see that Teyacanani is around 110%, and the strategy is similar to FOREX Robin VOL.

Some reasons:

 - I think that the volatility breakout strategy is sound, extremely solid and is going to stay for a long time
 - The risk/reward is very good
 - It trades ALL the signals in the market (very important, as otherwise the optimizator will find it's settings to hide losses behind opened positions as it happens in lots of EAs out there)
 - The strategy is 100% adapted to the market volatility, so it is robust against market changes (the concept of pip does not exist in the strategy)
 - On very adverse markets, the equity curve tends to become plain, it doesn't go straight down
 - I roughly walk forwarded the strategy and made good money with it
 - There are sound robustness measures taken to optimize parameters. Mostly based on Robert Pardo's work on automated trading, optimization and walk forward analysis and obviously Asirikuy community helped a lot on robustness concepts.
 - Last 3 years and a half were hidden for the optimizer (out of sample period), and the strategy traded better than on the optimized period.

I put all my knowledge and best efforts to make FOREX Robin VOL as robust as possible and will keep doing that. All that said, anything can happen. A trading strategy is just a bunch of rules you execute based on the market behavior. In the end it is the market that will do whatever he wants and as a strategist the best thing we can do is to make strategies as robust as possible to make them work on as most market conditions as possible.

regards :)
Title: Re: General talk about Robin VOL
Post by: websmith on July 02, 2012, 12:36:39 PM
Nobody can guarantee you stable results in such liquid business as Forex
Title: Re: General talk about Robin VOL
Post by: russ996 on July 02, 2012, 12:55:12 PM
Hi FMonera

You mentioned a few days ago that we would be able to read through the Pre release forum over the weekend to assess how the trial went.

Unless I missed it, I have not seen a link to it.

Can you point me in the right direction please?

Many thanks.
Title: Re: General talk about Robin VOL
Post by: Philipe on July 02, 2012, 01:05:12 PM
Quote

Hmmm, I see that Teyacanani is around 110%, and the strategy is similar to FOREX Robin VOL.



Thats not the  truth:
That's the best you picked.The worst Teyacanani is    -56%.
Please tell the whole story .

regards,
Philipe
Title: Re: General talk about Robin VOL
Post by: fmonera on July 02, 2012, 01:19:48 PM
Quote

Hmmm, I see that Teyacanani is around 110%, and the strategy is similar to FOREX Robin VOL.
Thats not the  truth:
That's the best you picked.The worst Teyacanani is    -56%.
Please tell the whole story .

regards,
Philipe

The instances with official settings on EURUSD H1 are at +23%, +45%, +110% and +68%. You are refering to the Teyacanani instance with experimental settings on an unsupported pair (GBPUSD).

But this is not the place to discuss about Teyacanani, don't you think? Those are not my EAs and those were not programmed by me. Please, let's keep the discussion on topic.

As I said, those are some of the reasons why it is going to be robust:

Quote
- I think that the volatility breakout strategy is sound, extremely solid and is going to stay for a long time
 - The risk/reward is very good
 - It trades ALL the signals in the market (very important, as otherwise the optimizator will find it's settings to hide losses behind opened positions as it happens in lots of EAs out there)
 - The strategy is 100% adapted to the market volatility, so it is robust against market changes (the concept of pip does not exist in the strategy)
 - On very adverse markets, the equity curve tends to become plain, it doesn't go straight down
 - I roughly walk forwarded the strategy and made good money with it
 - There are sound robustness measures taken to optimize parameters. Mostly based on Robert Pardo's work on automated trading, optimization and walk forward analysis and obviously Asirikuy community helped a lot on robustness concepts.
 - Last 3 years and a half were hidden for the optimizer (out of sample period), and the strategy traded better than on the optimized period.

I put all my knowledge and best efforts to make FOREX Robin VOL as robust as possible and will keep doing that. All that said, anything can happen. A trading strategy is just a bunch of rules you execute based on the market behavior. In the end it is the market that will do whatever he wants and as a strategist the best thing we can do is to make strategies as robust as possible to make them work on as most market conditions as possible.

I hope with what I said I answered your question about why I thought FOREX Robin VOL is going to succeed. If not, please, let me know. I might not be understanding you.

This EA is not for everyone obviously. I focused my work on reliability of future profits, and usually EAs are focused on a nice backtest. Both goals are usually exclusive. If the things on which I focused my efforts makes no sense to you, it's ok :)
Title: Re: General talk about Robin VOL
Post by: fmonera on July 02, 2012, 01:22:55 PM
Here are all the threads: http://www.donnaforex.com/forum/index.php?board=31.0

Please, confirm that you can see them, or I will tell Donna to check it. You should see something like this:

(https://donnaforex.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fclip2net.com%2Fclip%2Fm77417%2F1341231711-clip-86kb.png&hash=dcc57f6681618130726a0aa8b25f0b04)

Hi FMonera

You mentioned a few days ago that we would be able to read through the Pre release forum over the weekend to assess how the trial went.

Unless I missed it, I have not seen a link to it.

Can you point me in the right direction please?

Many thanks.
Title: Re: General talk about Robin VOL
Post by: Philipe on July 02, 2012, 01:25:38 PM
Dear Fmonera,
You started to talk about Teyacanani,not me!!!

I am sorry if I am bothering you ,but we have to know the most to form a good opinion.

regards,
Philipe
Title: Re: Demo testing
Post by: timetotrade on July 02, 2012, 01:35:02 PM
Where is the 1.6 robin VOL link. All i can see in the new release section is 1.5.6.

Thanks.
Title: Re: General talk about Robin VOL
Post by: fmonera on July 02, 2012, 01:35:13 PM
Dear Fmonera,
You started to talk about Teyacanani,not me!!!

I am sorry if I am bothering you ,but we have to know the most to form a good opinion.

regards,
Philipe

Why bothering? Your questions are very pertinent !!! I am happy to answer them   ;D

Please, don't hesitate to ask whatever you think needs clarification.
Title: Re: Demo testing
Post by: fmonera on July 02, 2012, 01:36:49 PM
Where is the 1.6 robin VOL link. All i can see in the new release section is 1.5.6.

Thanks.

I sent the link to the pre-release users by email. Maybe I missed your email. I will send you again by PM.
Title: Re: General talk about Robin VOL
Post by: fmonera on July 02, 2012, 01:41:48 PM
New real money account created funded with 3000 .

Once the money arrives there, I will publish it via MyFXBook. This will run unmodified default settings (except activating useBracketSLTP).
Title: Re: Demo testing
Post by: timetotrade on July 02, 2012, 02:17:54 PM
Ok thanks, just got it via PM.

Not sure why I did not get it via the email. Anyhow i have it now.

Where is the 1.6 robin VOL link. All i can see in the new release section is 1.5.6.

Thanks.

I sent the link to the pre-release users by email. Maybe I missed your email. I will send you again by PM.
Title: Re: Live trades
Post by: forexforever on July 02, 2012, 02:34:47 PM
hi guys,

just about to buy now but wanted to ask if we have the same chnageable settings as we did with growthbot? fast vol etc? and if we had customs sets we used on growthbot can the same settings be implemented in robinvol?

thanks
Title: FOREX Robin VOL 1.6.0
Post by: fmonera on July 02, 2012, 02:38:36 PM
FOREX Robin VOL 1.6.0

This is the first public release.

The features included in this version are not going to change (middle version is 6, which is an even number, meanning stable version). Only bugfixing or obvious small changes allowed.

This version has a small improvement in profitability compared to 1.5.9 due to a small improvement in the rounding of decimals.

There is a change in the DLL files so please, install from the EXE.
Title: Re: Live trades
Post by: fmonera on July 02, 2012, 02:39:23 PM
hi guys,

just about to buy now but wanted to ask if we have the same chnageable settings as we did with growthbot? fast vol etc? and if we had customs sets we used on growthbot can the same settings be implemented in robinvol?

thanks

Yes. You can tweak a lot of parameters, including the volatility periods.
Title: Re: Live trades
Post by: forexforever on July 02, 2012, 03:26:41 PM
hi guys,

just about to buy now but wanted to ask if we have the same chnageable settings as we did with growthbot? fast vol etc? and if we had customs sets we used on growthbot can the same settings be implemented in robinvol?

thanks

Yes. You can tweak a lot of parameters, including the volatility periods.

great, well u can welcome me aboard now
Title: Re: General talk about Robin VOL
Post by: russ996 on July 02, 2012, 04:04:48 PM
Many thanks

Here are all the threads: http://www.donnaforex.com/forum/index.php?board=31.0

Please, confirm that you can see them, or I will tell Donna to check it. You should see something like this:

(https://donnaforex.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fclip2net.com%2Fclip%2Fm77417%2F1341231711-clip-86kb.png&hash=dcc57f6681618130726a0aa8b25f0b04)

Hi FMonera

You mentioned a few days ago that we would be able to read through the Pre release forum over the weekend to assess how the trial went.

Unless I missed it, I have not seen a link to it.

Can you point me in the right direction please?

Many thanks.
Title: Re: Feature discussion: weekend close
Post by: Star on July 02, 2012, 04:40:51 PM
I implemented and backtested the feature of closing trades on friday and reopening the trades on sunday/monday only if we get a good risk/reward.

Fixed lots:
 1- Let trades opened: 449204 profit, 13169 DD
 2- Friday close and reopen on monday: 391643 profit, 14692 DD
 3- Just friday close: 387315 profit, 13431 DD

The result of (2) is comparable to just closing the trades and not reopening (3). It increases the profit and increases the drawdown in similar proportion.

Veredict: not worth. By far the best option is still to just let the trades opened during weekends (1).

On Robin VOL 1.5 (and future 1.6) if you activate weekend close the EA will simply close all the trades one hour before friday close.

This is suboptimal, and backtests shows that, to the point that I think it is worth to face the risk of an adverse gap.

But I think I can improve it a lot hopefuly to even being worth to activate this feature.

The thing is that a volatility breakout creates a weakness/strength zone that doesn't dissapear just because there is a weekend. So my plan is:

 - Close trades on weekends
 - On sunday open, check market conditions and rebuild the basket if market conditions are favorable enough

I would like to know your oppinion on that. Here is the flow chart:


Based on the backtests it is better to leave the trades open over the weekend , but this is simply because over the past 13 years we did not have a huge gap .What if another catastrophic event on a scale of 9/11 or worse happens on a weekend.The gap could be huge.Many accounts will be wiped out.
Title: Re: General talk about Robin VOL
Post by: jubal on July 02, 2012, 04:54:10 PM
There seems to be a lot of information built up already for this Ea, which is a good thing and congrats to Fmonera for doing that. However at the moment I dont have time to read thru everything. So if I buy today to run on a live $5k account can I put it on straight out of the box?
Title: FOREX Robin VOL on NFP backtest
Post by: fmonera on July 02, 2012, 04:58:39 PM
This friday we will have NFP news. To take an educated decission whether we should close FOREX Robin VOL or leave it open, I properly backtested it.

I coded all the NFP days since 2000 (they are not just the first friday of the month, it is a bit more complicated).

The backtesting results with default settings are the following:

(https://donnaforex.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fclip2net.com%2Fclip%2Fm77417%2F1341244147-clip-15kb.png&hash=f40f648cbf1d8bd5ee3014a4513c2feb)

(https://donnaforex.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fclip2net.com%2Fclip%2Fm77417%2F1341244212-clip-10kb.png&hash=b78d6f81fb64c7e7edac87ddc0f22cc7)

I think it is clear, leave it open. We should make a lot of money on NFPs on the long run :D

Note: I will leave the nfp option for the upcoming 1.7.0 (testing release) so that we can play on enabling or disabling it with different settings. Maybe anyone will want to optimize this period :)
Title: Re: General talk about Robin VOL
Post by: fmonera on July 02, 2012, 05:06:11 PM
There seems to be a lot of information built up already for this Ea, which is a good thing and congrats to Fmonera for doing that. However at the moment I dont have time to read thru everything. So if I buy today to run on a live $5k account can I put it on straight out of the box?

Yes. Default settings are very good and pretty safe. Since 2000 to 2012 it had a max DD of 12'5%.

Just drop it on a EURUSD M15 chart.
Title: Re: General talk about Robin VOL
Post by: e1vis on July 02, 2012, 05:08:24 PM
There seems to be a lot of information built up already for this Ea, which is a good thing and congrats to Fmonera for doing that. However at the moment I dont have time to read thru everything. So if I buy today to run on a live $5k account can I put it on straight out of the box?

Yes. Default settings are very good and pretty safe. Since 2000 to 2012 it had a max DD of 12'5%.

Just drop it on a EURUSD M15 chart.

Is there a copy of the long term backtest on current default settings anywhere? I understand the one on the website runs at slightly higher risk than the out of the box settings (1.3% v 1%).

many thanks

edit - ideally v1.6  :D
Title: Re: Feature discussion: weekend close
Post by: fmonera on July 02, 2012, 05:23:13 PM
I implemented and backtested the feature of closing trades on friday and reopening the trades on sunday/monday only if we get a good risk/reward.

Fixed lots:
 1- Let trades opened: 449204 profit, 13169 DD
 2- Friday close and reopen on monday: 391643 profit, 14692 DD
 3- Just friday close: 387315 profit, 13431 DD

The result of (2) is comparable to just closing the trades and not reopening (3). It increases the profit and increases the drawdown in similar proportion.

Veredict: not worth. By far the best option is still to just let the trades opened during weekends (1).

On Robin VOL 1.5 (and future 1.6) if you activate weekend close the EA will simply close all the trades one hour before friday close.

This is suboptimal, and backtests shows that, to the point that I think it is worth to face the risk of an adverse gap.

But I think I can improve it a lot hopefuly to even being worth to activate this feature.

The thing is that a volatility breakout creates a weakness/strength zone that doesn't dissapear just because there is a weekend. So my plan is:

 - Close trades on weekends
 - On sunday open, check market conditions and rebuild the basket if market conditions are favorable enough

I would like to know your oppinion on that. Here is the flow chart:


Based on the backtests it is better to leave the trades open over the weekend , but this is simply because over the past 13 years we did not have a huge gap .What if another catastrophic event on a scale of 9/11 or worse happens on a weekend.The gap could be huge.Many accounts will be wiped out.

What is a huge gap? The 9/11 gap (which happened on friday 14) was only 30 pips.
There were "huge" gaps of 172 pips on 2008 and 2010, and 142 pips on 2003.

Let's say you have 8 positions opened:
 - at the same price level (impossible but let's put the worst case)
 - and the price is just near the SL of all of them at friday close (what a bad luck)
 - and the market gaps against you 172 pips

You loose on this impossible incredibly bad scenario:
8x172 = 1376 pips.

In roughly 4-5 months the EA should be able to recover it (I didn't make the calcs so I am not sure about the number of months).

If loosing 1376 pips will wipe your account, lower your risk until those 1376 pips is 25-30% and you will maximize the return from the EA.

You know that statistically if this happens, odds are that it will happen in your favor. A gift of 1376 pips would be nice :) Just lower your risk so that you can "play" enough times to let statistics do it's work.
Title: Re: General talk about Robin VOL
Post by: fmonera on July 02, 2012, 05:27:24 PM
There seems to be a lot of information built up already for this Ea, which is a good thing and congrats to Fmonera for doing that. However at the moment I dont have time to read thru everything. So if I buy today to run on a live $5k account can I put it on straight out of the box?

Yes. Default settings are very good and pretty safe. Since 2000 to 2012 it had a max DD of 12'5%.

Just drop it on a EURUSD M15 chart.

Is there a copy of the long term backtest on current default settings anywhere? I understand the one on the website runs at slightly higher risk than the out of the box settings (1.3% v 1%).

many thanks

edit - ideally v1.6  :D

Here you are :D
Title: Re: General talk about Robin VOL
Post by: jubal on July 02, 2012, 05:41:55 PM
There seems to be a lot of information built up already for this Ea, which is a good thing and congrats to Fmonera for doing that. However at the moment I dont have time to read thru everything. So if I buy today to run on a live $5k account can I put it on straight out of the box?

Yes. Default settings are very good and pretty safe. Since 2000 to 2012 it had a max DD of 12'5%.

Just drop it on a EURUSD M15 chart.

Thanks for that. just bought it.  One other question. Does this run ok with other Eas on account?
Title: Re: General talk about Robin VOL
Post by: fmonera on July 02, 2012, 05:49:42 PM
There seems to be a lot of information built up already for this Ea, which is a good thing and congrats to Fmonera for doing that. However at the moment I dont have time to read thru everything. So if I buy today to run on a live $5k account can I put it on straight out of the box?

Yes. Default settings are very good and pretty safe. Since 2000 to 2012 it had a max DD of 12'5%.

Just drop it on a EURUSD M15 chart.

Thanks for that. just bought it.  One other question. Does this run ok with other Eas on account?

Sure. No problem.
Title: Re: General talk about Robin VOL
Post by: e1vis on July 02, 2012, 06:02:37 PM
There seems to be a lot of information built up already for this Ea, which is a good thing and congrats to Fmonera for doing that. However at the moment I dont have time to read thru everything. So if I buy today to run on a live $5k account can I put it on straight out of the box?

Yes. Default settings are very good and pretty safe. Since 2000 to 2012 it had a max DD of 12'5%.

Just drop it on a EURUSD M15 chart.

Is there a copy of the long term backtest on current default settings anywhere? I understand the one on the website runs at slightly higher risk than the out of the box settings (1.3% v 1%).

many thanks

edit - ideally v1.6  :D

Here you are :D

Thanks  :)

One other question (for now!) - if I set the market end time for, say, 11:00pm, how much earlier than that will the server side TP/SL be amended and trades closed (if set to do so)? Presumably, there's a buffer to make sure that this still happens even if the broker closes a few mins earlier than scheduled?
Title: Re: General talk about Robin VOL
Post by: fmonera on July 02, 2012, 06:08:24 PM
There seems to be a lot of information built up already for this Ea, which is a good thing and congrats to Fmonera for doing that. However at the moment I dont have time to read thru everything. So if I buy today to run on a live $5k account can I put it on straight out of the box?

Yes. Default settings are very good and pretty safe. Since 2000 to 2012 it had a max DD of 12'5%.

Just drop it on a EURUSD M15 chart.

Is there a copy of the long term backtest on current default settings anywhere? I understand the one on the website runs at slightly higher risk than the out of the box settings (1.3% v 1%).

many thanks

edit - ideally v1.6  :D

Here you are :D

Thanks  :)

One other question (for now!) - if I set the market end time for, say, 11:00pm, how much earlier than that will the server side TP/SL be amended and trades closed (if set to do so)? Presumably, there's a buffer to make sure that this still happens even if the broker closes a few mins earlier than scheduled?

It will close everything one hour before the time you specify.
Title: Re: Feature discussion: weekend close
Post by: Star on July 02, 2012, 06:31:29 PM
I implemented and backtested the feature of closing trades on friday and reopening the trades on sunday/monday only if we get a good risk/reward.

Fixed lots:
 1- Let trades opened: 449204 profit, 13169 DD
 2- Friday close and reopen on monday: 391643 profit, 14692 DD
 3- Just friday close: 387315 profit, 13431 DD

The result of (2) is comparable to just closing the trades and not reopening (3). It increases the profit and increases the drawdown in similar proportion.

Veredict: not worth. By far the best option is still to just let the trades opened during weekends (1).

On Robin VOL 1.5 (and future 1.6) if you activate weekend close the EA will simply close all the trades one hour before friday close.

This is suboptimal, and backtests shows that, to the point that I think it is worth to face the risk of an adverse gap.

But I think I can improve it a lot hopefuly to even being worth to activate this feature.

The thing is that a volatility breakout creates a weakness/strength zone that doesn't dissapear just because there is a weekend. So my plan is:

 - Close trades on weekends
 - On sunday open, check market conditions and rebuild the basket if market conditions are favorable enough

I would like to know your oppinion on that. Here is the flow chart:


Based on the backtests it is better to leave the trades open over the weekend , but this is simply because over the past 13 years we did not have a huge gap .What if another catastrophic event on a scale of 9/11 or worse happens on a weekend.The gap could be huge.Many accounts will be wiped out.

What is a huge gap? The 9/11 gap (which happened on friday 14) was only 30 pips.
There were "huge" gaps of 172 pips on 2008 and 2010, and 142 pips on 2003.

Let's say you have 8 positions opened:
 - at the same price level (impossible but let's put the worst case)
 - and the price is just near the SL of all of them at friday close (what a bad luck)
 - and the market gaps against you 172 pips

You loose on this impossible incredibly bad scenario:
8x172 = 1376 pips.

In roughly 4-5 months the EA should be able to recover it (I didn't make the calcs so I am not sure about the number of months).

If loosing 1376 pips will wipe your account, lower your risk until those 1376 pips is 25-30% and you will maximize the return from the EA.

You know that statistically if this happens, odds are that it will happen in your favor. A gift of 1376 pips would be nice :) Just lower your risk so that you can "play" enough times to let statistics do it's work.


Yes,if the gap is only 172 pips we can survive it,but what if it is a lot larger ? We are assuming that since  the worst gap since 1999 was 172 pips that a much larger one can not happen , but future does not have any limitations.
There is a good saying out there.Hope for the best,but prepare for the worst.
Title: Re: Feature discussion: weekend close
Post by: fmonera on July 02, 2012, 06:44:22 PM
I implemented and backtested the feature of closing trades on friday and reopening the trades on sunday/monday only if we get a good risk/reward.

Fixed lots:
 1- Let trades opened: 449204 profit, 13169 DD
 2- Friday close and reopen on monday: 391643 profit, 14692 DD
 3- Just friday close: 387315 profit, 13431 DD

The result of (2) is comparable to just closing the trades and not reopening (3). It increases the profit and increases the drawdown in similar proportion.

Veredict: not worth. By far the best option is still to just let the trades opened during weekends (1).

On Robin VOL 1.5 (and future 1.6) if you activate weekend close the EA will simply close all the trades one hour before friday close.

This is suboptimal, and backtests shows that, to the point that I think it is worth to face the risk of an adverse gap.

But I think I can improve it a lot hopefuly to even being worth to activate this feature.

The thing is that a volatility breakout creates a weakness/strength zone that doesn't dissapear just because there is a weekend. So my plan is:

 - Close trades on weekends
 - On sunday open, check market conditions and rebuild the basket if market conditions are favorable enough

I would like to know your oppinion on that. Here is the flow chart:


Based on the backtests it is better to leave the trades open over the weekend , but this is simply because over the past 13 years we did not have a huge gap .What if another catastrophic event on a scale of 9/11 or worse happens on a weekend.The gap could be huge.Many accounts will be wiped out.

What is a huge gap? The 9/11 gap (which happened on friday 14) was only 30 pips.
There were "huge" gaps of 172 pips on 2008 and 2010, and 142 pips on 2003.

Let's say you have 8 positions opened:
 - at the same price level (impossible but let's put the worst case)
 - and the price is just near the SL of all of them at friday close (what a bad luck)
 - and the market gaps against you 172 pips

You loose on this impossible incredibly bad scenario:
8x172 = 1376 pips.

In roughly 4-5 months the EA should be able to recover it (I didn't make the calcs so I am not sure about the number of months).

If loosing 1376 pips will wipe your account, lower your risk until those 1376 pips is 25-30% and you will maximize the return from the EA.

You know that statistically if this happens, odds are that it will happen in your favor. A gift of 1376 pips would be nice :) Just lower your risk so that you can "play" enough times to let statistics do it's work.


Yes,if the gap is only 172 pips we can survive it,but what if it is a lot larger ? We are assuming that since  the worst gap since 1999 was 172 pips that a much larger one can not happen , but future does not have any limitations.
There is a good saying out there.Hope for the best,but prepare for the worst.

Then "avoidTradingOnWeekends=true" is more fitted to your trading personality. It will close all trades one hour before closing the market.
Title: Re: Features / Settings
Post by: scalise on July 02, 2012, 07:55:38 PM


Hi,

someone has tried this  settings: 5- 6-3--  0,19 ; 0.17 , is as last Josep Settings in FGB.

Perhaps fewer trades and required more volatility to trade and less false breakout.

I try some backtest...

regards
Title: Re: Features / Settings
Post by: e1vis on July 02, 2012, 08:20:39 PM
Is there a description anywhere of what all the bits on the information display mean? I couldn't see it in the manual..

p.s. am onboard now  :D 8)
Title: Re: IMPORTANT: Incorrect trades on some brokers
Post by: jubal on July 02, 2012, 09:45:39 PM
Just wanted to check if this is ok as there are no updates
Title: Re: IMPORTANT: Incorrect trades on some brokers
Post by: fmonera on July 02, 2012, 10:45:54 PM
Just wanted to check if this is ok as there are no updates

Yes. I found and fixed the problem during prerelease time :)
Title: Re: computer quantity limit
Post by: hien on July 03, 2012, 05:01:02 AM
Fmonera,

my internet connection at home needs a reset once in a while, and I cannot trust that my pc will always be connected to atcbroker. So I am thinking of subscribing to a vps provider. Is a vps considered one machine? I will not be doing any backtest, and will only be running your default setting.

please advise,
thank you,
hien
Title: Re: General talk about Robin VOL
Post by: pay888 on July 03, 2012, 06:50:23 AM
Check the history, the Ea very like FGB.

Both are nice !
Title: Re: computer quantity limit
Post by: fmonera on July 03, 2012, 07:35:56 AM
my internet connection at home needs a reset once in a while, and I cannot trust that my pc will always be connected to atcbroker. So I am thinking of subscribing to a vps provider. Is a vps considered one machine? I will not be doing any backtest, and will only be running your default setting.

If you need to change from your home pc to an vps just send a mail to support@robinvol.com. It is a quick and painless process.
Title: Re: Features / Settings
Post by: fmonera on July 03, 2012, 07:39:04 AM
Is there a description anywhere of what all the bits on the information display mean? I couldn't see it in the manual..

p.s. am onboard now  :D 8)

Hmmm, not yet. I will write this part of help between today and tomorrow.

Welcome :)
Title: Re: Features / Settings
Post by: jubal on July 03, 2012, 08:33:49 AM
Just comment that useBracketSLTP is highly recomended on any live or demo settings.

It is disabled by default just because it is incompatible with "open prices only" on backtests. But you should activate it always.

This comment still valid to run live?
Title: Re: Features / Settings
Post by: fmonera on July 03, 2012, 09:14:43 AM
Just comment that useBracketSLTP is highly recomended on any live or demo settings.

It is disabled by default just because it is incompatible with "open prices only" on backtests. But you should activate it always.

This comment still valid to run live?

Yes. useBracketSLTP should be activated always (except when backtesting).
Title: Re: Features / Settings
Post by: jubal on July 03, 2012, 09:49:46 AM
Just comment that useBracketSLTP is highly recomended on any live or demo settings.

It is disabled by default just because it is incompatible with "open prices only" on backtests. But you should activate it always.

This comment still valid to run live?

Yes. useBracketSLTP should be activated always (except when backtesting).

Ok thanks. will change it. Anything else that needs to be changed from default?  Just that I asked yesterday when I bought the EA and you replied that it was ok to run straight out of the box.
Title: Re: General talk about Robin VOL
Post by: fmonera on July 03, 2012, 09:49:54 AM
New account funded with 3000 euros running default settings (plus useBracketSLTP).

I will publish it through MyFXBook later today as I have limited connection at this moment.

(https://donnaforex.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fclip2net.com%2Fclip%2Fm77417%2F1341306641-clip-10kb.png&hash=d641cddccf2cf39e92c6cac91ac1fa20)
Title: Re: Features / Settings
Post by: fmonera on July 03, 2012, 09:53:59 AM
Just comment that useBracketSLTP is highly recomended on any live or demo settings.

It is disabled by default just because it is incompatible with "open prices only" on backtests. But you should activate it always.

This comment still valid to run live?

Yes. useBracketSLTP should be activated always (except when backtesting).

Ok thanks. will change it. Anything else that needs to be changed from default?  Just that I asked yesterday when I bought the EA and you replied that it was ok to run straight out of the box.

No. Only useBracketSLTP for your own safety and if you want, adjust the risk to your own risk appetite. 1% risk (default settings) generated a 13% drawdown on previous 12 years.
Title: Re: General talk about Robin VOL
Post by: Jet on July 03, 2012, 12:12:14 PM
I confirm http://www.robinvol.com is very slow now.

I have few questions because I would wait a few weeks/months before making my decision, are you going to sell a limited number of copies and if you stop selling your EA could you tell us in advance ?

thanks and I hope you'll have great success  ;)
Title: Re: Feature discussion: weekend close
Post by: Star on July 03, 2012, 12:20:56 PM
Hi Fmonera,

Can you please run a backtest with avoidtradesovertheweekend =TRUE similar to the backtest that you have on your website with the same starting balance,same start and end date and same risk 1.3% and post the results .

Thank you
Title: error message!
Post by: timetotrade on July 03, 2012, 12:22:54 PM
Just checked my demo and have found an error message displayed on the show info screen. The message is in red and at the very bottom of the info screen and says.

ERROR: To few bars in history.

In the experts Tab i also get this error.

2012.07.03 00:56:01   Robin-VOL-1.6.0 EURUSD,M15: Severity: error

I have attached the report!
Title: Re: Demo testing
Post by: caddyhexe on July 03, 2012, 12:49:06 PM
Hi

just a quick question.

When I open up the MT4 (FXCM) I get this message from the anti-virus Access to Host data blocked (its in German on the screen shot) not sure if its the MT4 or the EA.

Any comments?
Title: Re: error message!
Post by: fmonera on July 03, 2012, 01:03:43 PM
Just checked my demo and have found an error message displayed on the show info screen. The message is in red and at the very bottom of the info screen and says.

ERROR: To few bars in history.

In the experts Tab i also get this error.

2012.07.03 00:56:01   Robin-VOL-1.6.0 EURUSD,M15: Severity: error

I have attached the report!

It happens to me at the beginning of a visual backtest as the backtester don't make available 2xSlowvol bars before starting. Once the test starts and enough bars are present the EA is not removing the message although it is trading correctly.

Please, confirm that this is what is happening.

Next version will have this corrected.
Title: Re: Demo testing
Post by: fmonera on July 03, 2012, 01:07:54 PM
Hi

just a quick question.

When I open up the MT4 (FXCM) I get this message from the anti-virus Access to Host data blocked (its in German on the screen shot) not sure if its the MT4 or the EA.

Any comments?

The EA only connects to the security site to check the validity of the licence. If you think this is the case you should allow it to do that.

By the way, looking at your report I see that you are running it on EURUSD, GBPUSD and USDJPY. On the last two you will loose money. I hope it is demo.
Title: Re: error message!
Post by: timetotrade on July 03, 2012, 01:16:31 PM
I think that you are probably right. I did do a backtest earlier and that message may have been there but I did not notice it until now. So i presume that is probably why i did get that error message.

Good idea to have it fixed in the next issue.

Thanks

Just checked my demo and have found an error message displayed on the show info screen. The message is in red and at the very bottom of the info screen and says.

ERROR: To few bars in history.

In the experts Tab i also get this error.

2012.07.03 00:56:01   Robin-VOL-1.6.0 EURUSD,M15: Severity: error

I have attached the report!

It happens to me at the beginning of a visual backtest as the backtester don't make available 2xSlowvol bars before starting. Once the test starts and enough bars are present the EA is not removing the message although it is trading correctly.

Please, confirm that this is what is happening.

Next version will have this corrected.
Title: Re: Demo testing
Post by: caddyhexe on July 03, 2012, 01:22:57 PM
Hi

just a quick question.

When I open up the MT4 (FXCM) I get this message from the anti-virus Access to Host data blocked (its in German on the screen shot) not sure if its the MT4 or the EA.

Any comments?

The EA only connects to the security site to check the validity of the licence. If you think this is the case you should allow it to do that.

By the way, looking at your report I see that you are running it on EURUSD, GBPUSD and USDJPY. On the last two you will loose money. I hope it is demo.

Yes it is only a demo account. (Just want to see how it trades other pairs in preparation for the demise of the Euro  :D)

I assume if the "smiley" is on the charts and there are no error messages, then the validity check was OK. In that case is must be the MT4 platform. Or should I just generally allow host data access?

Thanks for the quick response.
Title: Re: General talk about Robin VOL
Post by: jubal on July 03, 2012, 01:35:02 PM
Can someone please post when they next get a trade opened. Just want to be sure everythings working ok. I think all the accounts featured have open trades as "private" so a quick note here would be appreciated  :)
Title: Re: General talk about Robin VOL
Post by: jshear on July 03, 2012, 02:50:44 PM
Fmonera: Why are you using TP and SL bracket? I will use same if this is a good feature to turn on. Keep up the good work.


Jeff
Title: General talk about Robin VOL
Post by: e1vis on July 03, 2012, 02:55:28 PM
Fmonera: Why are you using TP and SL bracket? I will use same if this is a good feature to turn on. Keep up the good work.


Jeff

It acts as an emergency SL without affecting profitability, so what's not to like? ;)

Nb as far as I recall it affects backtesting in some way, so you may need to look into that
Title: Re: Live trades
Post by: Philipe on July 03, 2012, 03:22:37 PM
Hi guys,

is there a way to see the open trades on an official RobinVol account so I can see if it trades the same as on my broker(Activtrades)?

regards,
Philipe
Title: Re: General talk about Robin VOL
Post by: fmonera on July 03, 2012, 04:22:35 PM
I confirm http://www.robinvol.com is very slow now.

I have few questions because I would wait a few weeks/months before making my decision, are you going to sell a limited number of copies and if you stop selling your EA could you tell us in advance ?

thanks and I hope you'll have great success  ;)

Very slow? The website? It is on Open Sistemas servers. Strange. It is quick for me at this moment.

We have no plans at the moment to stop selling the EA at this point. Our intention is to raise the price every few months as long as the EA keeps demonstrating it's value (but existing users will keep it's yearly subscription price forever).
Title: Re: General talk about Robin VOL
Post by: fmonera on July 03, 2012, 04:31:58 PM
Fmonera: Why are you using TP and SL bracket? I will use same if this is a good feature to turn on. Keep up the good work.


Jeff

Yes. It should be active always. There is no reason to not using it. Just disable it for backtests.

This feature will be activated by default for 1.6.1.

Watch this video to know how it works:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DeAgGSNrRp8
Title: Re: Live trades
Post by: fmonera on July 03, 2012, 04:45:59 PM
Hi guys,

is there a way to see the open trades on an official RobinVol account so I can see if it trades the same as on my broker(Activtrades)?

regards,
Philipe

Hi Philipe,

Tonight I will publish the new 3000 euro account through MyFXBook with everything public.
Title: Re: Feature discussion: weekend close
Post by: fmonera on July 03, 2012, 05:02:41 PM
Hi Fmonera,

Can you please run a backtest with avoidtradesovertheweekend =TRUE similar to the backtest that you have on your website with the same starting balance,same start and end date and same risk 1.3% and post the results .

Thank you

Here you are. I don't have enough bandwitdth to upload the full backtest. If you need it, I can upload tonight.

(https://donnaforex.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fclip2net.com%2Fclip%2Fm77417%2F1341331183-clip-23kb.png&hash=b4fc29864ea8e9af90081b4b90e135a9)
(https://donnaforex.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fclip2net.com%2Fclip%2Fm77417%2F1341331284-clip-8kb.png&hash=94333e7d4db1f93ec44987501497d713)
Title: Re: Demo testing
Post by: fmonera on July 03, 2012, 05:09:57 PM
Hi

just a quick question.

When I open up the MT4 (FXCM) I get this message from the anti-virus Access to Host data blocked (its in German on the screen shot) not sure if its the MT4 or the EA.

Any comments?

The EA only connects to the security site to check the validity of the licence. If you think this is the case you should allow it to do that.

By the way, looking at your report I see that you are running it on EURUSD, GBPUSD and USDJPY. On the last two you will loose money. I hope it is demo.

Yes it is only a demo account. (Just want to see how it trades other pairs in preparation for the demise of the Euro  :D)

I assume if the "smiley" is on the charts and there are no error messages, then the validity check was OK. In that case is must be the MT4 platform. Or should I just generally allow host data access?

Thanks for the quick response.

The smiley on the chart means that MT4 has the correct options to let the EA trade, but has nothing to do with the security checks, which happens outside the ex4.

I think you should allow free access from inside apps to the oustide to avoid problems with the security module. But I am not a firewall expert, specially on windows.
Title: Re: General talk about Robin VOL
Post by: Dash on July 03, 2012, 06:16:10 PM
My thoughts on the EA:

- The monthly gains are too low to justify the yearly subscription. and the initial out lay of $395? No one in their right mind will throw 10-20k on a commercial EA. I know i wouldn't. That is the minimum amount needed to make a decent return to cover vps cost and yearly subscription cost and make it worth the ROI and your time.
- The DD ratio to monthly gains are pretty bad as well 2:1.
- Profit factor is pretty average for a profitable EA.
- Trades like FGB. compare the results for yourself http://www.myfxbook.com/members/fxgrowthbot/forex-growth-bot/71611
- Not 100% the same but very similar, similar trades, Profitability, profit factor

what i do like:

- visible SL
Title: Re: Feature discussion: weekend close
Post by: Star on July 03, 2012, 06:25:26 PM
Hi Fmonera,

Can you please run a backtest with avoidtradesovertheweekend =TRUE similar to the backtest that you have on your website with the same starting balance,same start and end date and same risk 1.3% and post the results .

Thank you

Here you are. I don't have enough bandwitdth to upload the full backtest. If you need it, I can upload tonight.

(https://donnaforex.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fclip2net.com%2Fclip%2Fm77417%2F1341331183-clip-23kb.png&hash=b4fc29864ea8e9af90081b4b90e135a9)
(https://donnaforex.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fclip2net.com%2Fclip%2Fm77417%2F1341331284-clip-8kb.png&hash=94333e7d4db1f93ec44987501497d713)

Thank you Fmonera.It looks like profit is a bit lower with this backtest.It averages 3.2% per month vs 3.8% per month with default settings.Relative drawdown is about the same at 16% on both backtests.
Is there anything else on this backtest that is worse compared to default backtest other then slightly lower profit per month ?
Title: Re: General talk about Robin VOL
Post by: Star on July 03, 2012, 06:44:18 PM
My thoughts on the EA:

- The monthly gains are too low to justify the yearly subscription. and the initial out lay of $395? No one in their right mind will throw 10-20k on a commercial EA. I know i wouldn't. That is the minimum amount needed to make a decent return to cover vps cost and yearly subscription cost and make it worth the ROI and your time.
- The DD ratio to monthly gains are pretty bad as well 2:1.
- Profit factor is pretty average for a profitable EA.
- Trades like FGB. compare the results for yourself http://www.myfxbook.com/members/fxgrowthbot/forex-growth-bot/71611
- Not 100% the same but very similar, similar trades, Profitability, profit factor

what i do like:

- visible SL

I might be out of my mind  :) , because I do trade with more then $ 20,000 with FGB and FGB is very poorly coded,that is exactly why I purchased this ea , because it does not have bugs in it.
Can you suggest for me a better ea ?
Title: Re: Feature discussion: weekend close
Post by: fmonera on July 03, 2012, 07:36:24 PM
Hi Fmonera,

Can you please run a backtest with avoidtradesovertheweekend =TRUE similar to the backtest that you have on your website with the same starting balance,same start and end date and same risk 1.3% and post the results .

Thank you

Here you are. I don't have enough bandwitdth to upload the full backtest. If you need it, I can upload tonight.

Thank you Fmonera.It looks like profit is a bit lower with this backtest.It averages 3.2% per month vs 3.8% per month with default settings.Relative drawdown is about the same at 16% on both backtests.
Is there anything else on this backtest that is worse compared to default backtest other then slightly lower profit per month ?

3.2% vs 3.8% is is 17% less profit every month on average if my maths are right with this compounded backtest. Which after 12 years gives you less than half the profits for the same drawdown.

That's all I see. The EA makes money on both backtests so probably the decision is not critical. It is the trader's decission to compare what you loose closing with the risk of not closing.
Title: Re: Live trades
Post by: reinerh on July 03, 2012, 07:43:17 PM

just realised it i had this in the wrong section, hope this one is more correct........

it sure seems that the results so far dont quite match, just had to look again and double check.

j shear on the last move had 375 pips,

fmonera had 174

but for me on pepper razor demo strategy 1 made only 80 pips and strategy 2 lost it so it was a wash.

and i believe jshear and fmonera only run strategy 1.

100 pips more for jshear and me 100 less there abouts sure is quite the difference, especially since i run it on pepper razor.
Title: Re: General talk about Robin VOL
Post by: fmonera on July 03, 2012, 07:44:46 PM
it sure seems that the results so far dont quite match, just had to look again and double check.

j shear on the last move had 375 pips,

fmonera had 174

The first two public accounts don't keep trades opened on weekends (and they run both strategies on default settings since some baskets).

Quote
but for me on pepper razor demo strategy 1 made only 80 pips and strategy 2 lost it so it was a wash.

and i believe jshear and fmonera only run strategy 1.

Both strategies here. My results on some of my live accounts:

Pepperstone Razor Real: +120
Pepperstone standard: +80
TradingPoint Real: +111
AlpariUk: +95
Liteforex: +67 (as always, bad results here)

Quote
100 pips more for jshear and me 100 less there abouts sure is quite the difference, especially since i run it on pepper razor.

Comparing to my results, I presume (but not sure) that pepperstone razor demo must run pepperstone standard feed.
Title: Re: Live trades
Post by: fmonera on July 03, 2012, 07:49:50 PM

just realised it i had this in the wrong section, hope this one is more correct........

And I answer to you here too :P

Quote
it sure seems that the results so far dont quite match, just had to look again and double check.

j shear on the last move had 375 pips,

fmonera had 174

The first two public accounts don't keep trades opened on weekends, I close trades manually as that is the desire of my customers.

They run both strategies on default settings since some baskets.

Quote
but for me on pepper razor demo strategy 1 made only 80 pips and strategy 2 lost it so it was a wash.

and i believe jshear and fmonera only run strategy 1.

100 pips more for jshear and me 100 less there abouts sure is quite the difference, especially since i run it on pepper razor.

Both strategies here. My results on some of my live accounts, all on default settings:

Pepperstone Razor Real: +120
Pepperstone standard: +80
TradingPoint Real: +111
AlpariUk: +95
Liteforex: +67 (as always, bad results here)

Comparing to my results, I presume (but not sure) that pepperstone razor demo must run pepperstone standard feed.
Title: Re: Live trades
Post by: reinerh on July 03, 2012, 07:58:44 PM

thanks much fmonera,

i just dawned on me a moment ago that your pepper accounts are closed over the weekend, you did tell me that before, i apologise for this.

i will be great now = comparing apples to apples with your new forward account.

i am just a tad paranoid of orders not matching, black belt was supposed to match to the t from broker to broker, but it sure did not for me. not even close, mine only lost.
Title: Re: General talk about Robin VOL
Post by: fmonera on July 03, 2012, 08:06:29 PM
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Title: Re: Live trades
Post by: fmonera on July 03, 2012, 08:08:23 PM
I just backtested on pepperstone razor and it made exactly +122 pips instead of +120 with exactly the same trades.

It is a very good practice to do that on every EA often. Keep in mind that spread will be constant during the backtest and there is no slippage, but results should be similar, at least on entries and exits.
Title: Re: Live trades
Post by: reinerh on July 03, 2012, 08:32:04 PM
i just loaded version 1.6

sheesh i am confused now.

in 1.53 i could select which strategy to use 1 or 2.

but on 1.6 i have only the option of strategy 2 on or of. can i no longer run strategy 2 by itself ?

meaning now i cant see which trades correspond to which strategy, or does have strategy 2 a different auto generated magic number. i sure dont see an input for 2 magic numbers.
Title: Re: Live trades
Post by: fmonera on July 03, 2012, 09:24:37 PM
i just loaded version 1.6

sheesh i am confused now.

in 1.53 i could select which strategy to use 1 or 2.

but on 1.6 i have only the option of strategy 2 on or of. can i no longer run strategy 2 by itself ?

meaning now i cant see which trades correspond to which strategy, or does have strategy 2 a different auto generated magic number. i sure dont see an input for 2 magic numbers.

Strategy 2 is not meant to run alone as it is not a standalone strategy. It depends on strategy 1 and complements it, and that is why strategy 1 cannot be disabled on 1.6.

As you see in the new releases (http://www.donnaforex.com/forum/index.php?topic=6084.0) thread, 1.5.3 still didn't have fixed the broker dependence.

Please, use the latest stable version.
Title: Re: General talk about Robin VOL
Post by: AtlantaSean on July 03, 2012, 09:35:20 PM
This is aimed towards anyone considering purchasing Robin VOL and my random thoughts for getting involved. Why wouldn't I want to use the best tools at my disposal for making money in FX? If I felt the price was too big (I very much don't) I could always add more capital every month slowly. Everyone knows that FGB is solid and no one has done a more thorough job of doing an autopsy of the strategy and recoding. Also no one is more qualified in my opinion to offer something similar. No I did not like the yearly fee and wanted just a flat purchase but I realized that what I was getting instead was more even more valuable than just a program. A trading partner! How many vendors actually put up and trade with you? NONE. End of debate.

edit: Forgot to mention one of my favorite features. Position sizing based on the volatility. This is so excellent! Just had a trade opened with very tight SL & TP because the bar was less volatile. The lot size was more than double what it normally is! Well fortunately it did end up hitting past the TP because it closed on the next open bar. The target on that trade was 12 pips and I made around 30. I run Robin on 1.5% risk and this part of the coding really makes me think that my little Eur/Usd employee is doing all he can to make the most money for me.  8)
Title: Re: Live trades
Post by: reinerh on July 03, 2012, 09:36:23 PM
i just loaded version 1.6

sheesh i am confused now.

in 1.53 i could select which strategy to use 1 or 2.

but on 1.6 i have only the option of strategy 2 on or of. can i no longer run strategy 2 by itself ?

meaning now i cant see which trades correspond to which strategy, or does have strategy 2 a different auto generated magic number. i sure dont see an input for 2 magic numbers.

Strategy 2 is not meant to run alone as it is not a standalone strategy. It depends on strategy 1 and complements it, and that is why strategy 1 cannot be disabled on 1.6.

As you see in the new releases (http://www.donnaforex.com/forum/index.php?topic=6084.0) thread, 1.5.3 still didn't have fixed the broker dependence.

Please, use the latest stable version.

yes i have the latest 1.6 version loaded on my live account now.

i am just curious if i can somehow figure out which trades correspond to which strategy ?
Title: Re: Live trades
Post by: fmonera on July 03, 2012, 09:47:14 PM
i just loaded version 1.6

sheesh i am confused now.

in 1.53 i could select which strategy to use 1 or 2.

but on 1.6 i have only the option of strategy 2 on or of. can i no longer run strategy 2 by itself ?

meaning now i cant see which trades correspond to which strategy, or does have strategy 2 a different auto generated magic number. i sure dont see an input for 2 magic numbers.

Strategy 2 is not meant to run alone as it is not a standalone strategy. It depends on strategy 1 and complements it, and that is why strategy 1 cannot be disabled on 1.6.

As you see in the new releases (http://www.donnaforex.com/forum/index.php?topic=6084.0) thread, 1.5.3 still didn't have fixed the broker dependence.

Please, use the latest stable version.

yes i have the latest 1.6 version loaded on my live account now.

i am just curious if i can somehow figure out which trades correspond to which strategy ?

Any trade opened when the entry signal is below the VolRatio is strategy 2. Strategy 2 is just a way to fill more slots of Strategy 1 when the breakout is good.

If you want, I can release a special 1.7.x (testing) version that allows to disable Strat 1 so that everyone can play with Strat 2. Or I can add a s2 to the trade comment too. What do you think?
Title: Re: Live trades
Post by: reinerh on July 03, 2012, 09:54:33 PM

individual magic numbers for strategy 1 and 2 would do the trick, then its easy to analyse.

but i think having the option to run either strategy 1 or 2, each with individual magic numbers be even better.

and this i think would be beneficial for adapting it to other pairs, since we essentially have 2 bots in one.

then one can run strategy 1 with magic number xxx and strategy 2 with magic yyyy

or only one or the other.

hope this is somewhat clear, i tried hard :)


Title: Re: Feature discussion: weekend close
Post by: Star on July 03, 2012, 09:54:38 PM
Hi Fmonera,

Can you please run a backtest with avoidtradesovertheweekend =TRUE similar to the backtest that you have on your website with the same starting balance,same start and end date and same risk 1.3% and post the results .

Thank you

Here you are. I don't have enough bandwitdth to upload the full backtest. If you need it, I can upload tonight.

Thank you Fmonera.It looks like profit is a bit lower with this backtest.It averages 3.2% per month vs 3.8% per month with default settings.Relative drawdown is about the same at 16% on both backtests.
Is there anything else on this backtest that is worse compared to default backtest other then slightly lower profit per month ?

3.2% vs 3.8% is is 17% less profit every month on average if my maths are right with this compounded backtest. Which after 12 years gives you less than half the profits for the same drawdown.

That's all I see. The EA makes money on both backtests so probably the decision is not critical. It is the trader's decission to compare what you loose closing with the risk of not closing.

With default setting the longest drawdown was 6 months and the worst monthly performance was three negative months in a row.
Is it the same ,better or worse with new backtest ?
Title: Re: Live trades
Post by: jubal on July 03, 2012, 11:23:15 PM
i just loaded version 1.6

sheesh i am confused now.

in 1.53 i could select which strategy to use 1 or 2.

but on 1.6 i have only the option of strategy 2 on or of. can i no longer run strategy 2 by itself ?

meaning now i cant see which trades correspond to which strategy, or does have strategy 2 a different auto generated magic number. i sure dont see an input for 2 magic numbers.

Strategy 2 is not meant to run alone as it is not a standalone strategy. It depends on strategy 1 and complements it, and that is why strategy 1 cannot be disabled on 1.6.

As you see in the new releases (http://www.donnaforex.com/forum/index.php?topic=6084.0) thread, 1.5.3 still didn't have fixed the broker dependence.

Please, use the latest stable version.

yes i have the latest 1.6 version loaded on my live account now.

i am just curious if i can somehow figure out which trades correspond to which strategy ?

Any trade opened when the entry signal is below the VolRatio is strategy 2. Strategy 2 is just a way to fill more slots of Strategy 1 when the breakout is good.

If you want, I can release a special 1.7.x (testing) version that allows to disable Strat 1 so that everyone can play with Strat 2. Or I can add a s2 to the trade comment too. What do you think?

For those of us who arent going to be testing I think it would be good to see which version is taking the trades,just  as a reference
Title: Re: Live trades
Post by: timetotrade on July 04, 2012, 04:20:56 AM
I was going to request that, so glad you thought of it first. It would be a good idea to have the option to turn off strategy 1 so we can test strategy 2 on a stand alone basis.

And adding S2 to the trade comment screen would be a good idea.

i just loaded version 1.6

sheesh i am confused now.

in 1.53 i could select which strategy to use 1 or 2.

but on 1.6 i have only the option of strategy 2 on or of. can i no longer run strategy 2 by itself ?

meaning now i cant see which trades correspond to which strategy, or does have strategy 2 a different auto generated magic number. i sure dont see an input for 2 magic numbers.

Strategy 2 is not meant to run alone as it is not a standalone strategy. It depends on strategy 1 and complements it, and that is why strategy 1 cannot be disabled on 1.6.

As you see in the new releases (http://www.donnaforex.com/forum/index.php?topic=6084.0) thread, 1.5.3 still didn't have fixed the broker dependence.

Please, use the latest stable version.

yes i have the latest 1.6 version loaded on my live account now.

i am just curious if i can somehow figure out which trades correspond to which strategy ?

Any trade opened when the entry signal is below the VolRatio is strategy 2. Strategy 2 is just a way to fill more slots of Strategy 1 when the breakout is good.

If you want, I can release a special 1.7.x (testing) version that allows to disable Strat 1 so that everyone can play with Strat 2. Or I can add a s2 to the trade comment too. What do you think?
Title: Asian Session
Post by: AtlantaSean on July 04, 2012, 06:17:22 AM
I've been thinking a lot about the Asian market. Why can't we try and scalp it! I know Robin isn't a scalper but I'll bet if you added a 3rd strategy you would increase profits. Say if no volatility breakouts occur after 19 GMT then the scalper strategy kicks in. And if there is already an open position started 17 GMT or after have Robin widen the SL as mentioned in earlier posts to accommodate the reversal tendency of the overlap. You could even adjust the lot size to compensate for the greater risk.
Title: Re: FOREX Robin VOL on NFP backtest
Post by: scalise on July 04, 2012, 09:14:23 AM


Hello Fernando,

Is a good idea to implement the NFP option for the last update, but as in FGB trade almost 2 year I always switch on the EA, and with Robin vol I will do the same.

maybe someone could think about being more conservative in this day and lower the risk but I think long-term benefits would be lower.

regards

Title: Re: Features / Settings
Post by: caddyhexe on July 04, 2012, 09:15:37 AM
I am exploring M5 settings around SlowVol=200. Some interesting settings there:

For example, 10/200/1.5/0.6/0.18 generates a lot of trades and a decent equity curve:

(https://donnaforex.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fclip2net.com%2Fclip%2Fm77417%2F1340006311-clip-73kb.png&hash=4334202a9a2bc8533fab35205c627855)

But I will be focusing on AUDUSD and USDJPY for today. I will keep you updated.

Hi there

still quite new to this. When you state 10/200/1.5/0.6/0.18 could you explain which settings this array refers to.

Sorry for the rookie question.
Title: Re: Feature discussion: weekend close
Post by: fmonera on July 04, 2012, 09:16:18 AM
Hi Fmonera,

Can you please run a backtest with avoidtradesovertheweekend =TRUE similar to the backtest that you have on your website with the same starting balance,same start and end date and same risk 1.3% and post the results .

Thank you

Here you are. I don't have enough bandwitdth to upload the full backtest. If you need it, I can upload tonight.

Thank you Fmonera.It looks like profit is a bit lower with this backtest.It averages 3.2% per month vs 3.8% per month with default settings.Relative drawdown is about the same at 16% on both backtests.
Is there anything else on this backtest that is worse compared to default backtest other then slightly lower profit per month ?

3.2% vs 3.8% is is 17% less profit every month on average if my maths are right with this compounded backtest. Which after 12 years gives you less than half the profits for the same drawdown.

That's all I see. The EA makes money on both backtests so probably the decision is not critical. It is the trader's decission to compare what you loose closing with the risk of not closing.

With default setting the longest drawdown was 6 months and the worst monthly performance was three negative months in a row.
Is it the same ,better or worse with new backtest ?

(Sorry for the delay, I was with a dialup connection yesterday)

Default settings + Risk 1.3 + no trades on weekend

(https://donnaforex.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fclip2net.com%2Fclip%2Fm77417%2F1341389518-clip-4kb.png&hash=90613b02883fa9f8cf4afc29cd84d8da)

(https://donnaforex.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fclip2net.com%2Fclip%2Fm77417%2F1341389612-clip-7kb.png&hash=c74490cfe84e3d4f90d60bf959b7da6e)

(https://donnaforex.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fclip2net.com%2Fclip%2Fm77417%2F1341389690-clip-45kb.png&hash=066c3b11cdc272cc269c1ca58a3dc36d)
Title: Re: Positive feedback and general experience
Post by: scalise on July 04, 2012, 09:40:28 AM


has time to sleep peacefully ...

good think and speak for all who have been reading all the post this time FGB eventually had to come ...

and it was one of the members of this forum more prepared , he has seen the future in one of the  best Eas that has been in recent times FGB.

Aware that FGB  had potential  investigated thousands of hours to make a new robot with the characteristics and personality of fmonera, robustness, reliability, stability, flexible and above all profitable and consistent.

We all know that FGB is very poorly coded, this has improved fmonera besides much more.

Some people criticize him, but how easy it is to make a robot more powerful because nobody coded FGB and sold? because no one has done their homework before?

is very easy to criticize without seeing the work that this entails.

still too early to see how EA trades. but I'm sure will be very stable and profitable, and if there are any problems fmonera will be there to fix it.

many people think it's crazy to leave 10k, 20k a commercial robot .. but many people operate with, because you can sleep peacefully at night because there is a project very seriously behind.

I will use it in such a short time in one of my 6k actual accounts.

but  I do not dude out much more money to add this robot.

I think all the supporters of FGB are in luck ... as we have a serious bid to win money and above all to rest easy, because I just looked at the vps once a day or less, I just want to let the robot to work .. all day without babysitting if the trades does not control or because doubles the size of the position.

this has cost me  a lots of money in the past.

Fernando, congratulations on the project.


PD:Excuse me, english there is not my first language.
Title: Re: Feature discussion: weekend close
Post by: Star on July 04, 2012, 10:21:33 AM
Hi Fmonera,

Can you please run a backtest with avoidtradesovertheweekend =TRUE similar to the backtest that you have on your website with the same starting balance,same start and end date and same risk 1.3% and post the results .

Thank you

Here you are. I don't have enough bandwitdth to upload the full backtest. If you need it, I can upload tonight.

Thank you Fmonera.It looks like profit is a bit lower with this backtest.It averages 3.2% per month vs 3.8% per month with default settings.Relative drawdown is about the same at 16% on both backtests.
Is there anything else on this backtest that is worse compared to default backtest other then slightly lower profit per month ?

3.2% vs 3.8% is is 17% less profit every month on average if my maths are right with this compounded backtest. Which after 12 years gives you less than half the profits for the same drawdown.

That's all I see. The EA makes money on both backtests so probably the decision is not critical. It is the trader's decission to compare what you loose closing with the risk of not closing.

With default setting the longest drawdown was 6 months and the worst monthly performance was three negative months in a row.
Is it the same ,better or worse with new backtest ?

(Sorry for the delay, I was with a dialup connection yesterday)

Default settings + Risk 1.3 + no trades on weekend

(https://donnaforex.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fclip2net.com%2Fclip%2Fm77417%2F1341389518-clip-4kb.png&hash=90613b02883fa9f8cf4afc29cd84d8da)

(https://donnaforex.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fclip2net.com%2Fclip%2Fm77417%2F1341389612-clip-7kb.png&hash=c74490cfe84e3d4f90d60bf959b7da6e)

(https://donnaforex.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fclip2net.com%2Fclip%2Fm77417%2F1341389690-clip-45kb.png&hash=066c3b11cdc272cc269c1ca58a3dc36d)

Thank you Fmonera.The biggest difference that I see , besides the return  , is the maximum drawdown in days went up from 174 to 479 .That could be hard to handle.I need to think about that.
Title: Re: Positive feedback and general experience
Post by: russiebear on July 04, 2012, 10:31:07 AM
hi,
Would it be possible to have the ex4 and dll files included as stand alone files.  I'm going to install the ea on my vps, but i currently have several live and demo accounts running, and the instructions state to ensure mt4 is shut down, which i cant do until the weekend.  Just a thought,
happy to be on board,
cheers, Russ
Title: Re: Live trades
Post by: fmonera on July 04, 2012, 10:58:20 AM
individual magic numbers for strategy 1 and 2 would do the trick, then its easy to analyse.

The thing is that we should not consider S2 a different strategy. It is just a way to find aditional high probability entry points for the first strategy.
It interacts with S1 in many ways.

Obviously S2 could run without S1 and it would be very profitable (I have already posted backtests), but there are some aspects of S2 that would need a different approach if we want to trade it alone.

For example, working with S1, I want S2 to open trades on every bar as long as the entry signal is present (my goal with S2 is to be fully loaded on good breakouts). But if I want to trade S2 alone, I would probably open a single concurrent trade or at least don't allow to open two trades at the same price level.

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but i think having the option to run either strategy 1 or 2, each with individual magic numbers be even better.

I will release a testing version that can run both strategies separated, but probably that will not be possible on any stable version.

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and this i think would be beneficial for adapting it to other pairs, since we essentially have 2 bots in one.

then one can run strategy 1 with magic number xxx and strategy 2 with magic yyyy

or only one or the other.

I understand, but they are not two different strategies. Second strategy is just an improvement of first one. Their drawdown periods should correlate and their winning strikes should correlate too.
Title: Re: Positive feedback and general experience
Post by: fmonera on July 04, 2012, 11:14:05 AM
hi,
Would it be possible to have the ex4 and dll files included as stand alone files.  I'm going to install the ea on my vps, but i currently have several live and demo accounts running, and the instructions state to ensure mt4 is shut down, which i cant do until the weekend.  Just a thought,
happy to be on board,
cheers, Russ

At least you need to install it once from the installer on one platform, as the security module is separated from the EA.

As long as the DLL is not modified updates can be done just copying the new ex4 to the experts folder. I will post update instructions every new release.
Title: Re: Asian Session
Post by: fmonera on July 04, 2012, 11:23:07 AM
I've been thinking a lot about the Asian market. Why can't we try and scalp it! I know Robin isn't a scalper but I'll bet if you added a 3rd strategy you would increase profits. Say if no volatility breakouts occur after 19 GMT then the scalper strategy kicks in. And if there is already an open position started 17 GMT or after have Robin widen the SL as mentioned in earlier posts to accommodate the reversal tendency of the overlap. You could even adjust the lot size to compensate for the greater risk.

This seems similar to one of the side projects that I wanted to investigate: to "relax" the volatility requirements during asian session and make SL and TP tighter, so that it takes more entries there.

My plan is to release 1.7.0 (testing) version this week to play with all of this. It will be a version very suitable to find more settings and more ways to trade, so that we can investigate all this. At least it will have:

 - a way to identify S1 and S2
 - filters so that it only trades on specified time (made to investigate through backtests NFP, asian/london/ny session, ...)
 - more variables to tweak both S1 and S2

Your proposal seems very interesting. If you need anything else besides what I said to test the asian-scalping mode, just tell me and I will implement it for 1.7.x.

(just a reminder: 1.even.x -> stable, 1.odd.x -> testing)
Title: Re: FOREX Robin VOL on NFP backtest
Post by: fmonera on July 04, 2012, 11:26:50 AM


Hello Fernando,

Is a good idea to implement the NFP option for the last update, but as in FGB trade almost 2 year I always switch on the EA, and with Robin vol I will do the same.

maybe someone could think about being more conservative in this day and lower the risk but I think long-term benefits would be lower.

regards

Hello,

FGB on default settings don't behave very good on NFPs, specially in the last period. But Robin VOL behaves better in NFPs than in normal periods.

Anyways, I will include the NFP option for next stable version.
Title: Re: Features / Settings
Post by: fmonera on July 04, 2012, 11:28:56 AM
I am exploring M5 settings around SlowVol=200. Some interesting settings there:

For example, 10/200/1.5/0.6/0.18 generates a lot of trades and a decent equity curve:

(https://donnaforex.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fclip2net.com%2Fclip%2Fm77417%2F1340006311-clip-73kb.png&hash=4334202a9a2bc8533fab35205c627855)

But I will be focusing on AUDUSD and USDJPY for today. I will keep you updated.

Hi there

still quite new to this. When you state 10/200/1.5/0.6/0.18 could you explain which settings this array refers to.

Sorry for the rookie question.

FastVol, SlowVol, VolRatio, TP, SL.

I still didn't put too much effort on finding new settings. Those are good, but maybe we will find better M5 settings.
Title: Re: Live trades
Post by: caddyhexe on July 04, 2012, 11:31:42 AM
Just checking if I have setup correctly.

Just got a short EUR @ 1.25643 S/L 1.2571 T/P 2.5550
Title: Re: Live trades
Post by: fmonera on July 04, 2012, 11:34:01 AM
Just checking if I have setup correctly.

Just got a short EUR @ 1.25643 S/L 1.2571 T/P 2.5550

Yes, correct. Look at the official account:

(https://donnaforex.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fclip2net.com%2Fclip%2Fm77417%2F1341397979-clip-10kb.png&hash=0f71f59bada447e3be992669eab295e8)

(As it has now it's first trade, I can publish it now through myfxbook)
Title: Re: Features / Settings
Post by: caddyhexe on July 04, 2012, 11:48:35 AM
Thanks fmonera

as always a prompt and concise answer :)
Title: Re: Positive feedback and general experience
Post by: russiebear on July 04, 2012, 11:49:09 AM
ok, no worries, ta for the reply, russ
Title: Re: Live trades
Post by: Philipe on July 04, 2012, 12:24:38 PM
Same trade on ActivTrades.

regards,
Philipe
Title: Re: Live trades
Post by: jshear on July 04, 2012, 12:43:34 PM
US holiday today could not see how today there be enough price action to make money on that trade?


Jeff
Title: Re: Live trades
Post by: fmonera on July 04, 2012, 12:51:20 PM
US holiday today could not see how today there be enough price action to make money on that trade?


Jeff

Let's see. Target is very close (13 pips) so it doesn't need a great movement to reach it.

(https://donnaforex.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fclip2net.com%2Fclip%2Fm77417%2F1341402629-clip-2kb.png&hash=b1ac3d9c53d294e53f9c809478a47c74)
Title: Re: Live trades
Post by: jshear on July 04, 2012, 01:01:24 PM
Hope it does. With US July 4th holiday and US banks closed once London shuts down in 4 hours price action will be dried up completely.


Jeff
Title: Re: Live trades
Post by: WiZARD on July 04, 2012, 02:27:14 PM
the candle has to close at TP/SL to trigger it?
It writes that the TP is at 1.2550.
There were a spike to 1.25475, but the it did nothing, the trade is still open.
Title: Re: General talk about Robin VOL
Post by: zuk156 on July 04, 2012, 02:33:44 PM
Fmonera few questions:

Do payment processor avangate guarantee 60 days refunds? If not how do you?

What are key differences between Robin and growth bot? Bot uses same fundamental principle.

Would you consider to oblige, not to raise yearly price and provide all improvements (no advanced, extended,... versions offered) to current buyers in the future?

On your web page it says 1 licence can be used on unlimited demo and real accounts. Are there any limitation, like run from same ip, account in same name, ...?

Those who asks the most irritating questions are usually those who buy. :)
Title: Re: Live trades
Post by: Philipe on July 04, 2012, 02:34:03 PM
Mine also didn't close??
regards,
Philipe
Title: Re: Live trades
Post by: fmonera on July 04, 2012, 02:37:59 PM
You need a close of the bar below of the TP to trigger the close.
Title: Re: Live trades
Post by: jshear on July 04, 2012, 03:03:20 PM
Mine is still open too. Fmonera can you post link to official account?


Thanks

Jeff
Title: Re: General talk about Robin VOL
Post by: fmonera on July 04, 2012, 03:12:09 PM
Fmonera few questions:

Do payment processor avangate guarantee 60 days refunds? If not how do you?

I think Avangate asks first to vendors to validate refunds. Anyways, both Donna and me already stated that refunds would be done without questions.

Only trying to crack the code, sell signals to others or similar contract infringiments stated in the terms of use would lead to termination of both the license and the refund rights.

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What are key differences between Robin and growth bot? Bot uses same fundamental principle.

Some of them:

1) I tried to program the first strategy as similar as possible although there are some differences:
 - Long period over 100 works in Robin VOL and in fact here are nice settings such as the one I posted on M5 with this value around 200.
 - When the short period is different than 5, Robin VOL is much better, not sure why. Maybe there is a bug in their side but I don't know it.

2) We have a second complementary strategy

3) We have good position sizing (%risk, %risk adjusted to recent range and fixed), with no double sized lots and so on.

4) We can restart the terminal with opened trades (even update to a new version of the EA)

5) Trade management is different I suppose, although there are not much ways to implement a net-position algorithm.

6) It can work on different charts and pairs at the same time without one instance opening trades on other instances.

7) You can backtest it on your live account without the EA opening live trades

8 ) Server side Stop Loss and Take Profit without affecting profitability

9) UI showing tp, sl, opened positions, basket results, ...

10) Limit the EA to a portion of the complete balance

11) Can close trades on weekends

12) Different licensing model (we allow unlimited demo and real accounts but fixed to a single machine)

13) support

14) We don't have early exit (exiting immediately in next two bars if things seems wrong) as I think this is just curve-fitting

15) Our timed exit is based on bars and not on time, so it can be adapted to any timeframe. It can be configured.


...

There are more and there will be more. I have two more volatility formulas that are profitable and will be included in future versions. Walk forward too...

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Would you consider to oblige, not to raise yearly price and provide all improvements (no advanced, extended,... versions offered) to current buyers in the future?

Not sure if I understand you. If you purchase the EA, your yearly subscription will be the same forever.

When we raise the price, the new price will be applied to new customers only.

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On your web page it says 1 licence can be used on unlimited demo and real accounts. Are there any limitation, like run from same ip, account in same name, ...?

The license allows you to run the EA on unlimited accounts. It forbids you to sell signals to others or manage other's accounts. So you can just use the EA to trade your own accounts.

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Those who asks the most irritating questions are usually those who buy. :)

I hope you like the answers :)
Title: Re: Live trades
Post by: fmonera on July 04, 2012, 03:18:11 PM
Mine is still open too. Fmonera can you post link to official account?


Thanks

Jeff

Sure, but until this trade closes it will not be vissible in MyFXBook as far as I know.

So just minutes after closing this position, I will post the link.

Until then, just let you know that mine is open too :)
Title: Re: Live trades
Post by: jshear on July 04, 2012, 03:27:57 PM
Thank you!!

Jeff :)



PS We might get some price action when Merkel and Monti hold there press conference within the hour. They are meeting today in Italy to discuss Eurozone problems!!!
Title: Re: General talk about Robin VOL
Post by: zuk156 on July 04, 2012, 03:31:44 PM
So walk forward and similar extensions will in future not require some additional licence like growth bot advance edition do for more parameters?

So in theory, I can buy together with few of my friends ea and all of us can run it on same vps, each on his own account?  :-X

I liked the answers.

 
Title: Re: Asian Session
Post by: AtlantaSean on July 04, 2012, 03:39:15 PM
I was kinda thinking of an actual scalper trading either on a retracement or just following a trend. Not really looking to trade more than once in the quiet session. If a breakout occurs then S1 picks back up and trades, forgetting the scalper. Maybe using moving averages like 20 SMA & 6 EMA. I know they lag but you could add -1 shift to the 6 EMA. It seems a little scary to trade tiny bars on volatility. Add time filters to separate the scalper from the volatility trader.
Title: Re: Live trades
Post by: jubal on July 04, 2012, 03:42:52 PM
You need a close of the bar below of the TP to trigger the close.

Interesting. why wait for the close of the bar to trigger tp. Surely better to take it at first opportunity???
Title: Re: Live trades
Post by: jshear on July 04, 2012, 03:48:30 PM
I am confused my ATC demo closed at 1.25330 but my Pepperstone live is still in trade and the ea has modified the TP to 1.2511?? Why has one of my accounts not modified the TP and my other used original TP to get out on close of bar?

Jeff
Title: Re: Live trades
Post by: fmonera on July 04, 2012, 03:49:21 PM
You need a close of the bar below of the TP to trigger the close.

Interesting. why wait for the close of the bar to trigger tp. Surely better to take it at first opportunity???

You can look at your chart now to know why :)

Well, the reason is that on market extremes there are a lot of upthrusts and shakeouts (or pinbars that are similar). Waiting for the close you avoid this stop hunting movements from the Smart Money.
Title: Re: Live trades
Post by: OBO on July 04, 2012, 03:50:41 PM
My first trade closed with a robust +31 Pips.

Good start!

Title: Re: Live trades
Post by: fmonera on July 04, 2012, 03:51:53 PM
I am confused my ATC demo closed at 1.25330 but my Pepperstone live is still in trade and the ea has modified the TP to 1.2511?? Why has one of my accounts not modified the TP and my other used original TP to get out on close of bar?

Jeff

When there is a TP (signal to close a position) and an entry signal (signal to open a new position) on the same bar, the EA don't close a position and reopen it, instead it trails the stop and the TP to reduce trading costs. On Pepperstone Razor it happened exactly this as the signal was at -3.

On Pepperstone standard the feed is slighty different and didn't trigger the entry (-2.9) so it just closed the position at TP.
Title: Live trades
Post by: e1vis on July 04, 2012, 03:52:22 PM
You need a close of the bar below of the TP to trigger the close.

Interesting. why wait for the close of the bar to trigger tp. Surely better to take it at first opportunity???

My trade just closed for over twice the server tp so no complaints here :)
Title: Re: Features / Settings
Post by: caddyhexe on July 04, 2012, 03:53:02 PM
I am exploring M5 settings around SlowVol=200. Some interesting settings there:

For example, 10/200/1.5/0.6/0.18 generates a lot of trades and a decent equity curve:

(https://donnaforex.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fclip2net.com%2Fclip%2Fm77417%2F1340006311-clip-73kb.png&hash=4334202a9a2bc8533fab35205c627855)

But I will be focusing on AUDUSD and USDJPY for today. I will keep you updated.

Hi there

still quite new to this. When you state 10/200/1.5/0.6/0.18 could you explain which settings this array refers to.

Sorry for the rookie question.

FastVol, SlowVol, VolRatio, TP, SL.

I still didn't put too much effort on finding new settings. Those are good, but maybe we will find better M5 settings.

Could you explain why the TP is much bigger on the M5 than the default on the M15?

Scrap the question, its basis for calculation of TP using recent range -- SORRY
Title: Re: Live trades
Post by: robl45 on July 04, 2012, 03:55:48 PM
I am confused my ATC demo closed at 1.25330 but my Pepperstone live is still in trade and the ea has modified the TP to 1.2511?? Why has one of my accounts not modified the TP and my other used original TP to get out on close of bar?

Jeff

When there is a TP (signal to close a position) and an entry signal (signal to open a new position) on the same bar, the EA don't close a position and reopen it, instead it trails the stop and the TP to reduce trading costs. On Pepperstone Razor it happened exactly this as the signal was at -3.

On Pepperstone standard the feed is slighty different and didn't trigger the entry (-2.9) so it just closed the position at TP.

now I know what happened I guess to me.  once of my systems is setup with slightly lower volatility level 2.93 instead of 3.0 so that must be why it trailed the trade.
Title: Re: Live trades
Post by: jshear on July 04, 2012, 03:57:42 PM
I have updated my signature as I started a new demo with default settings using version 1.6. Hope this helps others!!

Cheers

Jeff :)
Title: Re: General talk about Robin VOL
Post by: fmonera on July 04, 2012, 04:00:27 PM
So walk forward and similar extensions will in future not require some additional licence like growth bot advance edition do for more parameters?

So in theory, I can buy together with few of my friends ea and all of us can run it on same vps, each on his own account?  :-X

I liked the answers.

Walk Forward and similar extensions will in future not require some additional licence.

You run the EA in the same or different VPS with your friends as long as each of you have one license.
Title: Re: Features / Settings
Post by: fmonera on July 04, 2012, 04:03:21 PM
I am exploring M5 settings around SlowVol=200. Some interesting settings there:

For example, 10/200/1.5/0.6/0.18 generates a lot of trades and a decent equity curve:

(https://donnaforex.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fclip2net.com%2Fclip%2Fm77417%2F1340006311-clip-73kb.png&hash=4334202a9a2bc8533fab35205c627855)

But I will be focusing on AUDUSD and USDJPY for today. I will keep you updated.

Hi there

still quite new to this. When you state 10/200/1.5/0.6/0.18 could you explain which settings this array refers to.

Sorry for the rookie question.

FastVol, SlowVol, VolRatio, TP, SL.

I still didn't put too much effort on finding new settings. Those are good, but maybe we will find better M5 settings.

Could you explain why the TP is much bigger on the M5 than the default on the M15?

Scrap the question, its basis for calculation of TP using recent range -- SORRY

Because it was the optimum TP and SL based on 2000 to 2008 optimization. Then on 2009 to 2012 it was confirmed that those values were good.
Title: Re: Asian Session
Post by: fmonera on July 04, 2012, 04:05:03 PM
I was kinda thinking of an actual scalper trading either on a retracement or just following a trend. Not really looking to trade more than once in the quiet session. If a breakout occurs then S1 picks back up and trades, forgetting the scalper. Maybe using moving averages like 20 SMA & 6 EMA. I know they lag but you could add -1 shift to the 6 EMA. It seems a little scary to trade tiny bars on volatility. Add time filters to separate the scalper from the volatility trader.

Well, FOREX Robin VOL will always be a volatility breakout trading tool. I will implement any volatility strategy that increases the quality of the EA.

But what you want is a totally different EA :)
Title: Re: Live trades
Post by: jubal on July 04, 2012, 04:08:30 PM
You need a close of the bar below of the TP to trigger the close.

Interesting. why wait for the close of the bar to trigger tp. Surely better to take it at first opportunity???

You can look at your chart now to know why :)

Well, the reason is that on market extremes there are a lot of upthrusts and shakeouts (or pinbars that are similar). Waiting for the close you avoid this stop hunting movements from the Smart Money.

Nice,  still running on Pepper Razor
Title: Re: Live trades
Post by: fmonera on July 04, 2012, 04:11:13 PM
Now that I look at the charts, the trailing of SL and TP could happen on very-very-very strange cases, to the upside on SELL baskets (or to the downside on BUY baskets).

It might happen next bar :) Beautiful  :P

Title: Re: Live trades
Post by: jshear on July 04, 2012, 04:29:59 PM
My ATC demo just added 2 new trades? Is this correct?

Jeff
Title: Re: Asian Session
Post by: AtlantaSean on July 04, 2012, 04:31:23 PM
Well maybe there is a volatility formula that will work. I'm willing to test it. Time filters are an absolute must. One thing to definitely test are breakouts occurring in late NY sessions. I think our positions should have their SL doubled or tripled.
Title: Re: Live trades
Post by: caddyhexe on July 04, 2012, 04:34:35 PM
My ATC demo just added 2 new trades? Is this correct?

Jeff

I got the sames trades, so looks fine.
Title: Re: Live trades
Post by: fmonera on July 04, 2012, 05:55:38 PM
I think S2 want's to open a short at the close of this bar.
Title: Re: Live trades
Post by: jubal on July 04, 2012, 06:03:58 PM
2 sells total for me.  First closed on trail @ +20.1 pips, second closed @ -8.4 pips
Title: Re: Live trades
Post by: jshear on July 04, 2012, 06:12:21 PM
My Pepperstone live trades:

+21.4 pips
-8.3 pips

Total 19.3 pips profit


ATC Demo:

+31.1 pips
-8.4 pips
-34.1 pips

Total = -11.4 pips loss


Fmonera why such a difference between the two brokers?
Title: Re: Live trades
Post by: Philipe on July 04, 2012, 06:20:06 PM
ActivTrades live:   +31.2
                          -  9.1
                           -34.8      pips

regards,
Philipe
Title: Re: Live trades
Post by: fmonera on July 04, 2012, 06:26:07 PM
The difference comes from differences in the feed. On servers that triggered the trailing sl and tp, it opened one less position. As the market then reversed, it returned to the market less money.

The differences in the feed will work sometimes in your favor and sometimes against you. Nothing to worry about in terms of results.
Title: Re: Live trades
Post by: caddyhexe on July 04, 2012, 06:29:29 PM
FXCM Demo

1. +30.9
2. -36.0
3. -10.4

Total -15.5
Title: Re: General talk about Robin VOL
Post by: fmonera on July 04, 2012, 06:29:43 PM
3000 euro real money account published through MyFXBook:

http://www.robinvol.com/real-money-accounts/
Title: Re: General talk about Robin VOL
Post by: donnaforex on July 04, 2012, 08:17:42 PM
Just wanted to back up what fmonera said re refunds. I will personally be processing refunds and can absolutely guarantee that they will be given upon request within 60 days, and will be handled promptly. fmonera is always there too and can process them also, so you have two separate entities right here responsible for doing so and we are accountable to each other in terms of our requirements to run an honest business. If there were to be any problems you can always keep a copy of this message right here and show it to Avangate, under any dispute they would likely rule in your favour having seen this ;-).

If there is anything myself or fmonera can do to reassure on the refunds front please do let us know, or sit back and watch to see if other people report refund issues or not (and i'd suggest looking on other websites to see this, i won't be deleting negative comments about robin VOL on this forum but understand that some people will think we are biased and may not trust us!). We have a page on Forex Peace Army for reviews which might be a good place to start, once Robin VOL has been around a while. ( http://www.forexpeacearmy.com/public/review/www.robinvol.com )
Title: Re: General talk about Robin VOL
Post by: jshear on July 04, 2012, 08:31:56 PM
Donna and Fmonera congratulations on the release of the Robins Vol EA. I know Fmonera has worked very hard the past year developing and refining this EA. The fact that he trades clients money and his own money on this EA speaks louder than words!! I know you Donna handling the back end , sales, refunds , if any ?? will make this project a great success. I am glad to have been one of the first buyers of your product!! Keep up the good work!!!


Cheers

Jeff

Title: installation crashes mt4 - pls help
Post by: russiebear on July 04, 2012, 09:04:10 PM
Hi,
just installed the ea on several mt4 accounts on my vps.  For some reason, its causing one of the accounts to continually crash.  I cant get the account to open.  i've removed the ea from the experts directory but no joy.  Could you please advise what other files the programme installs so i can remove them.  I've looked thru all the directories but cant find any.
Reason for my post is that its on a live account that i would like to open and i'm shortly going to be getting on a 9 hr flight!!
ta in advance,
Russ
Title: Portfolio Testing
Post by: Johnnykanoo on July 04, 2012, 10:06:30 PM
Please forgive me if this topic is covered somewhere, and feel free to merge this if that is the case.

Okay I have a question.  How is RV with other ea's?  Specifically with fgb and bbea.  Is there similar risk, should I weed one or both of those other ea's out of my portfolio?  I just don't want to put on to much risk with similar strats and it has always been a goal of mine to keep a balanced portfolio.

Anyway I would greatly appreciate any pointers or direction as to how I can test my portfolio and manage my overall risk so I can avoid trading to much of my account on eur/usd.

Thanks,
John

btw happy 4th to my fellow Americans
Title: Re: Portfolio Testing
Post by: fmonera on July 04, 2012, 10:53:00 PM
Please forgive me if this topic is covered somewhere, and feel free to merge this if that is the case.

Okay I have a question.  How is RV with other ea's?  Specifically with fgb and bbea.  Is there similar risk, should I weed one or both of those other ea's out of my portfolio?  I just don't want to put on to much risk with similar strats and it has always been a goal of mine to keep a balanced portfolio.

Anyway I would greatly appreciate any pointers or direction as to how I can test my portfolio and manage my overall risk so I can avoid trading to much of my account on eur/usd.

Thanks,
John

btw happy 4th to my fellow Americans

Depending on the configuration, but Robin VOL should correlate a lot in terms of drawdown with FGB as the breakout strategy is almost the same. The second strategy correlates a lot too with the first strategy, so probably don't help.

I didn't analyze if Robin VOL drawdown periods correlates to BBEA. Being both trend followers means nothing in terms of drawdown correlation. Let me do a quick analysis and I will answer this in some minutes.

My views on portfolio trading has evolved a lot in the last year. I have invested a lot of hours in balancing my EA portfolios, studying drawdown periods and looking for matches, setting group of EAs that seemed to compensate each other drawdowns, etc and carefully set the risk.

In the end, it happens that EA drawdown periods tends to correlate, even if it didn't in backtests. There are many reasons for this and if you want I can go very deep in the matter.

So at the moment I am running all my EAs isolated, either alone in their own accounts or with a dedicated portion of the balance (all of the EAs I run have that option except Forex Combo).
Title: Re: installation crashes mt4 - pls help
Post by: fmonera on July 04, 2012, 10:58:54 PM
Hi,
just installed the ea on several mt4 accounts on my vps.  For some reason, its causing one of the accounts to continually crash.  I cant get the account to open.  i've removed the ea from the experts directory but no joy.  Could you please advise what other files the programme installs so i can remove them.  I've looked thru all the directories but cant find any.
Reason for my post is that its on a live account that i would like to open and i'm shortly going to be getting on a 9 hr flight!!
ta in advance,
Russ

If it works on other instances of the machine, it is not a DLL problem as the DLLs are the same (installed in the win folder). So it can be only either the ex4 or maybe another problem (permissions or other eas).

So just remove the ex4 and you will have removed Robin VOL from the mt4 folder.

If that fixes your problem, I would be grateful if I could see the logs, as it never happened to me (and I am running Robin VOL on AlpariUK too).
Title: Re: installation crashes mt4 - pls help
Post by: russiebear on July 04, 2012, 11:11:40 PM
Hi,
just pm'd you. I've deleted/re=installed a couple of times, but no joy.  I'll get in touch with the alpari tech support guys when i get home tmrw, and i'll let you know the outcome,
many thanks
Title: Re: Live trades
Post by: e1vis on July 05, 2012, 03:08:13 AM
2 sells on both my account and the reference account. Strange thing is that from looking at the chart now, there appears to have been no breakout and price was moving up... ???
Title: Re: General talk about Robin VOL
Post by: e1vis on July 05, 2012, 03:10:20 AM
What is the green vertical line showing on my chart at 12.15 on Friday, 6 July?
Title: Re: Live trades
Post by: Star on July 05, 2012, 03:43:52 AM
2 sells on both my account and the reference account. Strange thing is that from looking at the chart now, there appears to have been no breakout and price was moving up... ???

Probably strategy 2 retracement trades
Title: Re: Portfolio Testing
Post by: robl45 on July 05, 2012, 04:03:39 AM

So at the moment I am running all my EAs isolated, either alone in their own accounts or with a dedicated portion of the balance (all of the EAs I run have that option except Forex Combo).

isnt that what I have said all along?  you can't let them be influenced by other EA's.  all of my ea's can trade on their own balances or they don't go on the account, period!  that should be mandatory for EA's to be sold just like 10 year backtests.
Title: Re: Live trades
Post by: robl45 on July 05, 2012, 04:05:24 AM
i got one sell, seems to be a strategy 2 trade as it doesn't fit the normal criteria to enter but i'm confused as to how I have 1 trade like that as I thought it wouldn't do that if another trade wasn't already open.
Title: Re: Live trades
Post by: e1vis on July 05, 2012, 04:10:35 AM
2 sells on both my account and the reference account. Strange thing is that from looking at the chart now, there appears to have been no breakout and price was moving up... ???

Probably strategy 2 retracement trades

I thought S2 would add positions to an existing S1 trade? The first sell trade here was taken on a move up.
Title: Re: Live trades
Post by: websmith on July 05, 2012, 04:14:30 AM
pepperstone razor has 2 sells
alpari ndd has 3 sells
Title: Hedging.
Post by: Theone on July 05, 2012, 04:51:01 AM
Hi.
Does this ae require hedging to be supported by the broker?
Is there some minimum capital for the ae to run?
Thanks
Sent from my HTC Desire Z using Tapatalk 2
Title: Re: Hedging.
Post by: websmith on July 05, 2012, 05:38:32 AM
As far as I know RobinVol opens positions in the one direction so it's not the problem if your broker does not allow hedging.
Fmonera says that $5000 will be enough in order to pay yearly for EA and have some profit.
Title: Re: Live trades
Post by: fmonera on July 05, 2012, 07:37:58 AM
2 sells on both my account and the reference account. Strange thing is that from looking at the chart now, there appears to have been no breakout and price was moving up... ???

Probably strategy 2 retracement trades

Yes. Those are strategy 2 retracement trades.
Title: Re: Live trades
Post by: fmonera on July 05, 2012, 07:43:23 AM
i got one sell, seems to be a strategy 2 trade as it doesn't fit the normal criteria to enter but i'm confused as to how I have 1 trade like that as I thought it wouldn't do that if another trade wasn't already open.

S2 opens it's positions when it is in the zone of influence of a breakout. Usually there are still breakout trades opened, but it is not necessary.

Look in the strategy description (http://www.robinvol.com/strategy-description/) that in both examples some of the retracement trades happens after breakout trades already closed.
Title: Re: Portfolio Testing
Post by: fmonera on July 05, 2012, 07:51:11 AM

So at the moment I am running all my EAs isolated, either alone in their own accounts or with a dedicated portion of the balance (all of the EAs I run have that option except Forex Combo).

isnt that what I have said all along?  you can't let them be influenced by other EA's.  all of my ea's can trade on their own balances or they don't go on the account, period!  that should be mandatory for EA's to be sold just like 10 year backtests.
Yes, this is exactly what you do and for me it is proven to be the most intelligent thing to do, as opposed for dreams of absurdly good compounding between all EAs.

What happens usually is that very few of the EAs ends being good, so what they do is to eat the profitability of the good ones.
Title: Re: Hedging.
Post by: fmonera on July 05, 2012, 07:55:41 AM
As far as I know RobinVol opens positions in the one direction so it's not the problem if your broker does not allow hedging.
Fmonera says that $5000 will be enough in order to pay yearly for EA and have some profit.

Exactly. No hedging needed and there is a FIFO option in case you need it.

About the minimum capital, With $1000 and 1% risk you still cover costs and make good money. But I personally think that in this case, licence costs eats too much of the profits.

I am preparing some backtests to show the influence of licence costs in profitability so that everyone can make an educated decision on this matter.
Title: Re: installation crashes mt4 - pls help
Post by: fmonera on July 05, 2012, 07:58:45 AM
Hi,
just pm'd you. I've deleted/re=installed a couple of times, but no joy.  I'll get in touch with the alpari tech support guys when i get home tmrw, and i'll let you know the outcome,
many thanks

Please, tell me if I can help. Sometimes to identify a crash I had to edit config\terminal.ini by hand and start deleting things there.

But probably just a MT4 reinstall will fix the problem.

Title: Re: General talk about Robin VOL
Post by: fmonera on July 05, 2012, 08:02:37 AM
What is the green vertical line showing on my chart at 12.15 on Friday, 6 July?

It is just a visual aid that marks the start of the Timed Exit zone if you have opened positions.

Note that this visual aid is inaccurate on weekends, as I found no way to count bars in the future except by adding time. Eventually I will find a way to make this visual aid more accurate.
Title: Re: Live trades
Post by: scalise on July 05, 2012, 11:37:54 AM


Hi, me too 2 sell trades in Pepperstone standar..

Title: Re: Portfolio Testing
Post by: scalise on July 05, 2012, 11:50:37 AM


Hi,

I have BBEA, FGB, and RV in my agresive account... and for example BBEA and RV is now with sell trades, I think that this Ea,s have a DD correlation.

FGB in my case not because is Josep 2012 and required a lot of volatillty to trade.

But in days as NFP sure I have this 3 Eas with trade open.

regards

Title: Re: installation crashes mt4 - pls help
Post by: robl45 on July 05, 2012, 12:27:50 PM
usually when i've had that happen, its because the version of the mt4 isn't high enough.
Title: Re: Live trades
Post by: jubal on July 05, 2012, 12:54:51 PM
nice long candle down, hope she keeps on rollin' :)
Title: Lost internet connection and hardware authentication window came up
Post by: jshear on July 05, 2012, 01:02:28 PM
Today I had an internet issue and the hardware authentication window came up. I then rebooted my computer and now my internet is on but I cannot load EA back on my charts? How do I load up the hardware authentication window again?


Thanks

Jeff
Title: Re: Live trades
Post by: caddyhexe on July 05, 2012, 01:06:48 PM
Only one of the shorts was closed (+97) :)

Is this correct?

Dont you just love the ECB :-*
Title: Live trades
Post by: e1vis on July 05, 2012, 01:21:21 PM
Only one of the shorts was closed (+97) :)

Is this correct?

Dont you just love the ECB :-*

Yes one short closed. Now a third opened (so 2 in total)
Title: Re: Live trades
Post by: caddyhexe on July 05, 2012, 01:25:33 PM
Thanks e1vis
Title: Live trades
Post by: e1vis on July 05, 2012, 01:37:49 PM
Now a third open for me.
Title: Re: Live trades
Post by: timetotrade on July 05, 2012, 01:49:13 PM
Well i am doing pretty well with Robin VOL now. Up almost 3% profit with my overall account, with the current basket of 6 short trades :)
Title: Re: Live trades
Post by: robl45 on July 05, 2012, 01:52:35 PM
Well i am doing pretty well with Robin VOL now. Up almost 3% profit with my overall account, with the current basket of 6 short trades :)

you aren't up nothing until the trades close :)
Title: Re: Live trades
Post by: timetotrade on July 05, 2012, 01:57:09 PM
Well i am kind off. 4 have closed out and 2 are still open :) So doing very well still.

Well i am doing pretty well with Robin VOL now. Up almost 3% profit with my overall account, with the current basket of 6 short trades :)

you aren't up nothing until the trades close :)
Title: Re: Live trades
Post by: robl45 on July 05, 2012, 02:08:40 PM
Well i am kind off. 4 have closed out and 2 are still open :) So doing very well still.

Well i am doing pretty well with Robin VOL now. Up almost 3% profit with my overall account, with the current basket of 6 short trades :)

you aren't up nothing until the trades close :)

cool, last time I checked, lots of trades were open,  i'll check again at break, this whole working thing is for the birds :)  at least its not like the last time, I was up 6K and ended up with like 600 dollars of profit in the end.
Title: Re: Portfolio Testing
Post by: fmonera on July 05, 2012, 02:20:34 PM
I haven't seen historic drawdown correlation between BBEA and FOREX Robin VOL. That doesn't mean there won't be in the future.
Title: Re: Lost internet connection and hardware authentication window came up
Post by: fmonera on July 05, 2012, 02:21:49 PM
Today I had an internet issue and the hardware authentication window came up. I then rebooted my computer and now my internet is on but I cannot load EA back on my charts? How do I load up the hardware authentication window again?


Thanks

Jeff

Let me check. I will come later with the answer.
Title: Re: Lost internet connection and hardware authentication window came up
Post by: fmonera on July 05, 2012, 02:44:30 PM
Today I had an internet issue and the hardware authentication window came up. I then rebooted my computer and now my internet is on but I cannot load EA back on my charts? How do I load up the hardware authentication window again?


Thanks

Jeff

Can you run the installer again to see if it asks for the credentials?
Title: Re: Live trades
Post by: timetotrade on July 05, 2012, 02:52:31 PM
Of course, things can change very fast in this market :)

Well i am kind off. 4 have closed out and 2 are still open :) So doing very well still.

Well i am doing pretty well with Robin VOL now. Up almost 3% profit with my overall account, with the current basket of 6 short trades :)

you aren't up nothing until the trades close :)

cool, last time I checked, lots of trades were open,  i'll check again at break, this whole working thing is for the birds :)  at least its not like the last time, I was up 6K and ended up with like 600 dollars of profit in the end.
Title: Re: Live trades
Post by: sponn on July 05, 2012, 03:16:20 PM
Two shorts still open... one is just a few pips above TP. Fingers crossed :)
Title: Re: Lost internet connection and hardware authentication window came up
Post by: jshear on July 05, 2012, 03:25:24 PM
Yes it worked ran installer again and all got fixed. Now I have to start my demo over as the trade sequence got messed up. With loss of internet connection the hardware authentication window comes up and this is a problem.


Jeff
Title: Re: General talk about Robin VOL
Post by: pay888 on July 05, 2012, 04:16:01 PM
HI,Fmonera

How many Real and demo accounts can been actived when bought a licence?   

I have 3 real mt4 accounts .

3 real accounts,ok ?

Thank you
Title: Re: installation crashes mt4 - pls help
Post by: russiebear on July 05, 2012, 04:24:57 PM
Thanks for the tips.
I've spoken to alpari, and basically they just told me to reload the platform.  I'll just have to re-load all the ea's.
One lesson i did learn tho.  When i closed the platforms down to load robin, i left some pending orders open as i thought i would be opening the platforms shortly after closing them.  Fortunately, i managed to re-open my account on another platform, otherwise (as i was airborne for 9 hrs) today could have been interesting!! :-[
thanks again
Title: Re: General talk about Robin VOL
Post by: fmonera on July 05, 2012, 04:47:09 PM
HI,Fmonera

How many Real and demo accounts can been actived when bought a licence?   

I have 3 real mt4 accounts .

3 real accounts,ok ?

Thank you

Unlimited demo and unlimited real (please, read the terms of use for details).
Title: Live trades
Post by: e1vis on July 05, 2012, 06:12:48 PM
2 more retracement trades open. 4 open trades in total now.
Title: Re: robin vs fgb
Post by: mikepipmaker on July 05, 2012, 06:14:48 PM
Good to see the major difference in live trade between Robin and FGB. I was expecting FGB to catch this down move well but it did not enter the until 1.2430.  ???

Robin went into the short trade 1.2530 which over 100 pips earlier than FGB - the 3 shorts on the account I am tracking have booked about 180 pips. FGB made a late entry and its basket is floating with a gain of about 70 pips on my account.

I am still tracking Robin from the sideline - will decide on this after about a month of comparing live trades with FGB. Looks good, just trying to convince myself that it will be trading differently from FGB. Personally do not have complaints with this cheap bot.... its crude and effective. Robin is obviously the best documented and discussed EA ever! Congrats, fmonera!  :)

Title: Re: General talk about Robin VOL
Post by: reinerh on July 05, 2012, 06:38:48 PM

i am confused about something.

the now obsolete version 1.5.2 was trading strategy 2 only.

the latest 1.6 has identical settings for strategy 2 and in my forward they trade totally different.

how can that be with identical settings ?

1.5.2 trades like mad on strategy 2, in an overall wash.

i just dont understand that since the settings are the same, i tripple checked.

Title: Live trades
Post by: e1vis on July 05, 2012, 06:54:46 PM
I have already banked circa 125 pips from this basket with 4 trades open :)
Title: Re: robin vs fgb
Post by: fmonera on July 05, 2012, 07:00:58 PM
Good to see the major difference in live trade between Robin and FGB. I was expecting FGB to catch this down move well but it did not enter the until 1.2430.  ???

Robin went into the short trade 1.2530 which over 100 pips earlier than FGB - the 3 shorts on the account I am tracking have booked about 180 pips. FGB made a late entry and its basket is floating with a gain of about 70 pips on my account.

I am still tracking Robin from the sideline - will decide on this after about a month of comparing live trades with FGB. Looks good, just trying to convince myself that it will be trading differently from FGB. Personally do not have complaints with this cheap bot.... its crude and effective. Robin is obviously the best documented and discussed EA ever! Congrats, fmonera!  :)

(not a direct reply to you but it is a good excuse to post this)

The thing that FOREX Robin VOL had the luck have a good start means nothing. It's nice, but meaningless unfortunately  ???

FOREX Robin VOL WILL loose more than half of the trades, so it's normal state is loosing. Every time he opens a position he has more probabilities to close it as a looser than as a winner. And every few months it will have one or two loosing months. The good thing is that on this periods the losses are very small usually.

But then it will have very good winning strikes that will make it exit the drawdown periods very quick and leave them far behind.

Market tends to be consolidating more than 70% of the time. During consolidation periods there are false breakouts and volatility is low, which makes the EA loose a bit of money but during a lot of time. You will see during this periods comments such as: "the EA returns all it's gains ...", "it is a constant looser", ...
Then the breakout comes and it is then when FOREX Robin VOL recovers it's small losses and makes good gains.

Strategy 2 is nice when it gets right as today and usually it does it's work very good. But it will loose more than half of the times too, and sometimes it is very annoying to see how Strat 2 returns -300 pips to the market when things comes bad.

This is the personality of FOREX Robin VOL. So we must set the risk so that a long loosing strike is just anecdotic to us and let the EA do it's things.

As a summary of the post, I will use some very wise words from Daniel Fernandez (Asirikuy): "There is no reason to be very happy now, and there is no reason to be depressed when a drawdown comes".

Think how the customer felt on the periods marked by blue squares:
(https://donnaforex.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fclip2net.com%2Fclip%2Fm77417%2F1341510081-clip-21kb.png&hash=c8738c905e11acda31846c503efafa0c)
Title: Re: General talk about Robin VOL
Post by: fmonera on July 05, 2012, 07:22:43 PM

i am confused about something.

the now obsolete version 1.5.2 was trading strategy 2 only.

the latest 1.6 has identical settings for strategy 2 and in my forward they trade totally different.

how can that be with identical settings ?

1.5.2 trades like mad on strategy 2, in an overall wash.

i just dont understand that since the settings are the same, i tripple checked.

I saw that some users posted trades on that were not generated correctly on some brokers. That was fixed on 1.5.4 and 1.5.5. Please, use 1.6. We are all getting almost the same trades.

To check strat 2 alone, I will release a special 1.7 version.
Title: Re: Live trades
Post by: scalise on July 05, 2012, 08:32:31 PM


very good post Fermando.. I totally agree , in the case of BBEA a lot of people ask for refund for the same questions...

Now, I can see the correlation about my 3 Ea,s :

1 sell open FGB (JOSEP 2012)

2 sell open BBEA

4  sell open RV

In my real Pepperstone account.. good luck to this trades
Title: Re: General talk about Robin VOL
Post by: reinerh on July 05, 2012, 08:47:14 PM

i am confused about something.

the now obsolete version 1.5.2 was trading strategy 2 only.

the latest 1.6 has identical settings for strategy 2 and in my forward they trade totally different.

how can that be with identical settings ?

1.5.2 trades like mad on strategy 2, in an overall wash.

i just dont understand that since the settings are the same, i tripple checked.

I saw that some users posted trades on that were not generated correctly on some brokers. That was fixed on 1.5.4 and 1.5.5. Please, use 1.6. We are all getting almost the same trades.

To check strat 2 alone, I will release a special 1.7 version.

ah ok, 1.5.2 i ran it on pepper just like you.

yes sure i will only run the latest no question, i was just so confused that it traded completely different with the same settings.

so it must have had a bug of sorts.
Title: Re: Hedging.
Post by: Theone on July 05, 2012, 10:48:43 PM
Does it need a small freeze stop and stop loss level.
I would to use ilq (with bbfx)
The stop loss level is 10

Thanks

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Title: Re: Demo testing
Post by: SquareRoot on July 06, 2012, 12:17:53 AM
I'm running an FXDD and an IBFX demo account. I received the following error on IBFX. IBFX time is GMT+0. The FXDD demo closed all trades and shows no error messages. IBFX trades remain open.
I've attached a screen shot and the log file.

10:59:23 Robin-VOL-1.6.0 EURUSD,M15: modify #108645567 sell 0.05 EURUSD at 1.24093 sl: 1.25745 tp: 1.21897 ok
10:59:23 Robin-VOL-1.6.0 EURUSD,M15: modify #108645024 sell 0.05 EURUSD at 1.24231 sl: 1.25745 tp: 1.21897 ok
10:59:48 Robin-VOL-1.6.0 EURUSD,M15: function 'RobinV1' call from dll 'robinvo1.dll' critical error c0000005 at 04D85BE0.
Title: Live trades
Post by: e1vis on July 06, 2012, 12:35:47 AM
It would be very nice to have these current trades close before NFP tomorrow...
Title: Re: Live trades
Post by: robl45 on July 06, 2012, 12:40:47 AM
It would be very nice to have these current trades close before NFP tomorrow...

They will, most likely in the next 3 hours as we get asianed :(
Title: Re: Demo testing
Post by: fmonera on July 06, 2012, 01:14:09 AM
I'm running an FXDD and an IBFX demo account. I received the following error on IBFX. IBFX time is GMT+0. The FXDD demo closed all trades and shows no error messages. IBFX trades remain open.
I've attached a screen shot and the log file.

10:59:23 Robin-VOL-1.6.0 EURUSD,M15: modify #108645567 sell 0.05 EURUSD at 1.24093 sl: 1.25745 tp: 1.21897 ok
10:59:23 Robin-VOL-1.6.0 EURUSD,M15: modify #108645024 sell 0.05 EURUSD at 1.24231 sl: 1.25745 tp: 1.21897 ok
10:59:48 Robin-VOL-1.6.0 EURUSD,M15: function 'RobinV1' call from dll 'robinvo1.dll' critical error c0000005 at 04D85BE0.

I am investigating this issue. Questions:
 - If you disable useBracketSLTP does the message keeps appearing?
 - If you restart IBFX MT4, does the message keeps appearing?
 - I see that it works (opens positions and close positions correcly). Am I right?

The only thing that Robin VOL does every tick is check the bracketSLTP. Looking at your log, the problem seems localized there.

I am starting an ibfx demo to try to reproduce the problem.
Title: Live trades
Post by: e1vis on July 06, 2012, 01:15:51 AM
5th position just opened
Title: Re: Hedging.
Post by: fmonera on July 06, 2012, 01:34:04 AM
Does it need a small freeze stop and stop loss level.
I would to use ilq (with bbfx)
The stop loss level is 10

Thanks

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No. Stop Loss and Take Profit levels are managed by the EA. Server Side SL and TP are only for security.
Title: Re: Features / Settings
Post by: e1vis on July 06, 2012, 02:10:52 AM
Hi FMonera

Can you just confirm that I can change the fridayclosinghour now (with open trades) and it will not affect those trades?

I think I know the answer, but just need to be sure  :D

thanks
Title: Re: Demo testing
Post by: SquareRoot on July 06, 2012, 02:41:31 AM
I'm running an FXDD and an IBFX demo account. I received the following error on IBFX. IBFX time is GMT+0. The FXDD demo closed all trades and shows no error messages. IBFX trades remain open.
I've attached a screen shot and the log file.

10:59:23 Robin-VOL-1.6.0 EURUSD,M15: modify #108645567 sell 0.05 EURUSD at 1.24093 sl: 1.25745 tp: 1.21897 ok
10:59:23 Robin-VOL-1.6.0 EURUSD,M15: modify #108645024 sell 0.05 EURUSD at 1.24231 sl: 1.25745 tp: 1.21897 ok
10:59:48 Robin-VOL-1.6.0 EURUSD,M15: function 'RobinV1' call from dll 'robinvo1.dll' critical error c0000005 at 04D85BE0.

I am investigating this issue. Questions:
 - If you disable useBracketSLTP does the message keeps appearing?
 - If you restart IBFX MT4, does the message keeps appearing?
 - I see that it works (opens positions and close positions correcly). Am I right?

The only thing that Robin VOL does every tick is check the bracketSLTP. Looking at your log, the problem seems localized there.

I am starting an ibfx demo to try to reproduce the problem.

I just read your reply and haven't touched the EA since my previous post. The DLL error seems to have repaired itself after RobinVol closed several trades. One trade is still open. ... log file attached.

Title: Re: Features / Settings
Post by: sandman on July 06, 2012, 02:44:58 AM
Good day Fernando,  I am running this on live accounts with Synergy, FXCM,   and Pepperstone with lowest risk settings.

Congratulations on your creation. I am a bit of a dumby and seek your clarification please.  I hope i'm on the right thread here?

I noticed that the advisor did not close the trades when reaching the targets., or even exceeding them  Is this because of a trailing stop? 

Secondly I notice that I have one trade still open and showing a gain of 140 pips on both Synergy and Pepperstone platforms.  Both opened at 1.2525. Whereas the same trade on FXCM closed at 1.2456. , after gaining 70 pips.

Your comments and help would be appreciatted ............thanks Sandman
Title: Re: Demo testing
Post by: SquareRoot on July 06, 2012, 02:46:22 AM
After looking at this more closely it appears that the DLL error corrected itself after a new trade was opened.
Title: Re: Features / Settings
Post by: e1vis on July 06, 2012, 02:50:30 AM
Good day Fernando,  I am running this on live accounts with Synergy, FXCM,   and Pepperstone with lowest risk settings.

Congratulations on your creation. I am a bit of a dumby and seek your clarification please.  I hope i'm on the right thread here?

I noticed that the advisor did not close the trades when reaching the targets., or even exceeding them  Is this because of a trailing stop? 

Secondly I notice that I have one trade still open and showing a gain of 140 pips on both Synergy and Pepperstone platforms.  Both opened at 1.2525. Whereas the same trade on FXCM closed at 1.2456. , after gaining 70 pips.

Your comments and help would be appreciatted ............thanks Sandman

The trades only open/close at the start of a new 15 min bar. So an old bar has to close above or below the TP/SL before the trade itself is closed. This prevents spikes closing trades unnecessarily.

Yesterday, for example, I made an extra 17 pips or so as the price moved beyond the TP before closing (however, bear in mind that this obviously works both ways, so if it had been a losing trade then I would have suffered a greater loss as the price moved beyond the SL level..).
Title: Re: Features / Settings
Post by: sandman on July 06, 2012, 06:27:21 AM
Good day Fernando,  I am running this on live accounts with Synergy, FXCM,   and Pepperstone with lowest risk settings.

Congratulations on your creation. I am a bit of a dumby and seek your clarification please.  I hope i'm on the right thread here?

I noticed that the advisor did not close the trades when reaching the targets., or even exceeding them  Is this because of a trailing stop? 

Secondly I notice that I have one trade still open and showing a gain of 140 pips on both Synergy and Pepperstone platforms.  Both opened at 1.2525. Whereas the same trade on FXCM closed at 1.2456. , after gaining 70 pips.

Your comments and help would be appreciatted ............thanks Sandman

The trades only open/close at the start of a new 15 min bar. So an old bar has to close above or below the TP/SL before the trade itself is closed. This prevents spikes closing trades unnecessarily.

Yesterday, for example, I made an extra 17 pips or so as the price moved beyond the TP before closing (however, bear in mind that this obviously works both ways, so if it had been a losing trade then I would have suffered a greater loss as the price moved beyond the SL level..).
Thanks Elvis for your clarification,  much appreciated, rep to you.
Title: Re: Live trades
Post by: sandman on July 06, 2012, 07:00:59 AM
Good day Fernando,  I am running this on live accounts with Synergy, FXCM,   and Pepperstone with lowest risk settings.

Congratulations on your creation. I am a bit of a dumby and seek your clarification please.  I hope i'm on the right thread here?

I noticed that the advisor did not close the trades when reaching the targets., or even exceeding them  Is this because of a trailing stop? 

Secondly I notice that I have one trade still open and showing a gain of 140 pips on both Synergy and Pepperstone Standard platforms.  Both opened at 1.2525. Whereas the same trade on FXCM closed at 1.2456. , after gaining 70 pips.

I see that you are running your account on Pepperstone Razor.  Is this particular trade I mention still running?  Could you please give me any idea why mine is still running on Both Pepperstone Standard and SynergyFX.  Should I close them and take the 146 pips as of now?

Elvis replied regarding some clarification regarding why the robot went past the advertised target,  and I now understand that point,  and I am grateful for his clarification.

Your comments and help would be appreciatted ............thanks Sandman
Title: Re: Live trades
Post by: fmonera on July 06, 2012, 07:21:18 AM
I noticed that the advisor did not close the trades when reaching the targets., or even exceeding them  Is this because of a trailing stop? 

We need a close of the bar behind the targets to close the positions. And in concrete situations the EA trails the stop loss instead closing a position.

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Secondly I notice that I have one trade still open and showing a gain of 140 pips on both Synergy and Pepperstone Standard platforms.  Both opened at 1.2525. Whereas the same trade on FXCM closed at 1.2456. , after gaining 70 pips.

I see that you are running your account on Pepperstone Razor.  Is this particular trade I mention still running?  Could you please give me any idea why mine is still running on Both Pepperstone Standard and SynergyFX.  Should I close them and take the 146 pips as of now?

You have the opened trades in the screen. The number of trades should match the opened trades.

Never close positions manually. Let the EA do that. Sometimes the EA will fail to catch a big movement and you will be angry because you "think" or "feel" you should have closed the positions before. But it needs to be this way. FOREX Robin VOL will catch movements of more than 1000 pips from time to time, and if you close positions when they are at 140 you will end loosing money.

There is a lot of statistical work behind to identify optimal exits in the long run.
Title: Re: General talk about Robin VOL
Post by: Almandine on July 06, 2012, 07:27:16 AM
I am thinking on buying this EA. Some thoughts:

1. I have downloaded the backtest posted by fmonera in this forum and loaded it in the Asirikuy portfolio and DD analyzer tool. The backtest (according to its header) was made with the v1.6 version, risk is 1%, and the average annual return is 41.84% with 12.47% max DD. These values differ from the official posted values on the Robin VOL website (57.83% and 15.99%). Not sure, why? The EA versions differ?

2. According to the FAQ, $1000 is the minimum capital to be traded by this EA. If we use the 57.83% value, then we can expect about $578 profit in the first year. It roughly covers the current first year fee of the EA ($395) plus the cost of a VPS. So we will break even in the first year. In the second year the expected profit will be about $900, and the EA fee is reduced to $195, so we will bank a profit around $4-500. It is a personal preference, but one breakeven year is too long for me, so if I start trading with Robin, after a few successful weeks or months I will increase either the capital or the risk.

3. The worst case with Robin is losing around 20% of the capital. With $1000 it means a $200 loss. It is relatively small amount if we compare it to the price of the EA + VPS ($5-600) which will be also a 'loss' if we have to stop trading this EA after the refund period. So if I use $1000 I may double the risk. In this case, I risk $400, but the expected yearly profit will be around $1100, so I can expect a profitable year.

4. The cons of this EA for me:
4.1 It works on the EURUSD pair only. For me it means that it is not as robust as I would like to. I found the topic about the alternative pairs and hope that in the future the EA will be able to trade more of them.
4.2 The time frame is M15, it also means that the market can more easily change to make this EA inefficient in the future. (According to Asirikuy, using timeframes below H1 is not recommended.)
4.3 We did not get the source code, so (1) the strategy cannot be understood in details and (2) if anything happens with fmonera in the future, our EA will stop working. It is the case with almost all commercial robot (Steady Winner comes to my mind as an exception). Of course I do not expect fmonera to publish the source code of his work, just mentioned it.

5. The pros:
5.1 After these years of Forex I trust 100% in nobody, but among the people I trust and respect the most, Donna and fmonera are definitely there. So an EA which is created and backed by them is definitely worth considering.
5.2 I have positive experience with Growthbot (except the well known programming errors).
5.3 Live published forward tests, 2 of them are verified. I guess that the new official account will be also verified after a while (currently it is not).
5.4 Good backtests, DD, statistical parameters etc.
Title: Re: Live trades
Post by: sandman on July 06, 2012, 07:32:28 AM
Thank you FERNANDO,  message received and understood,  as a point of interest I have currently 6 positions open on FXCM, 7 positions open on SynergyFX, and 5 positions open on Pepperstone Standard.  REP TO YOU........sandman
Title: Re: General talk about Robin VOL
Post by: bjanssen on July 06, 2012, 08:07:49 AM
The backtest on the RobinVOL website are using 1.3% risk, hence the difference in profit and drawdown.

BJ
Title: Re: Live trades
Post by: Philipe on July 06, 2012, 08:18:13 AM
7 trades open on ActivTrades.
regards
Philipe
Title: Re: Demo testing
Post by: fmonera on July 06, 2012, 09:27:24 AM
Ok. Anyways I will set the demo account to see if I can reproduce the problem.
Title: Re: General talk about Robin VOL
Post by: fmonera on July 06, 2012, 09:38:58 AM
I am thinking on buying this EA. Some thoughts:

1. I have downloaded the backtest posted by fmonera in this forum and loaded it in the Asirikuy portfolio and DD analyzer tool. The backtest (according to its header) was made with the v1.6 version, risk is 1%, and the average annual return is 41.84% with 12.47% max DD. These values differ from the official posted values on the Robin VOL website (57.83% and 15.99%). Not sure, why? The EA versions differ?

The other one is the same backtest but with 1.3% risk, with a drawdown more in line with all the backtests I have published in the past to be comparable.

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2. According to the FAQ, $1000 is the minimum capital to be traded by this EA. If we use the 57.83% value, then we can expect about $578 profit in the first year. It roughly covers the current first year fee of the EA ($395) plus the cost of a VPS. So we will break even in the first year. In the second year the expected profit will be about $900, and the EA fee is reduced to $195, so we will bank a profit around $4-500. It is a personal preference, but one breakeven year is too long for me, so if I start trading with Robin, after a few successful weeks or months I will increase either the capital or the risk.

Yes, your maths are correct.

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3. The worst case with Robin is losing around 20% of the capital. With $1000 it means a $200 loss. It is relatively small amount if we compare it to the price of the EA + VPS ($5-600) which will be also a 'loss' if we have to stop trading this EA after the refund period. So if I use $1000 I may double the risk. In this case, I risk $400, but the expected yearly profit will be around $1100, so I can expect a profitable year.

4. The cons of this EA for me:
4.1 It works on the EURUSD pair only. For me it means that it is not as robust as I would like to. I found the topic about the alternative pairs and hope that in the future the EA will be able to trade more of them.
4.2 The time frame is M15, it also means that the market can more easily change to make this EA inefficient in the future. (According to Asirikuy, using timeframes below H1 is not recommended.)
4.3 We did not get the source code, so (1) the strategy cannot be understood in details and (2) if anything happens with fmonera in the future, our EA will stop working. It is the case with almost all commercial robot (Steady Winner comes to my mind as an exception). Of course I do not expect fmonera to publish the source code of his work, just mentioned it.

5. The pros:
5.1 After these years of Forex I trust 100% in nobody, but among the people I trust and respect the most, Donna and fmonera are definitely there. So an EA which is created and backed by them is definitely worth considering.
5.2 I have positive experience with Growthbot (except the well known programming errors).
5.3 Live published forward tests, 2 of them are verified. I guess that the new official account will be also verified after a while (currently it is not).
5.4 Good backtests, DD, statistical parameters etc.

Once I figure out how to verify a pepperstone razor account I will do it. The server razor.pepperstone.com is not in the list of myfxbook servers.

About the minimum capital, according to historic results, with $1000 the risk that the licensing costs adds is high, specially on the first year. So a bit more capital would be better. I have a pending task to publish some examples of the incidence of licence costs depending on initial capital.

Thanks for your message. Right to the point :)
Title: Re: robin vs fgb
Post by: caddyhexe on July 06, 2012, 10:06:57 AM
Good to see the major difference in live trade between Robin and FGB. I was expecting FGB to catch this down move well but it did not enter the until 1.2430.  ???

Robin went into the short trade 1.2530 which over 100 pips earlier than FGB - the 3 shorts on the account I am tracking have booked about 180 pips. FGB made a late entry and its basket is floating with a gain of about 70 pips on my account.

I am still tracking Robin from the sideline - will decide on this after about a month of comparing live trades with FGB. Looks good, just trying to convince myself that it will be trading differently from FGB. Personally do not have complaints with this cheap bot.... its crude and effective. Robin is obviously the best documented and discussed EA ever! Congrats, fmonera!  :)

(not a direct reply to you but it is a good excuse to post this)

The thing that FOREX Robin VOL had the luck have a good start means nothing. It's nice, but meaningless unfortunately  ???

FOREX Robin VOL WILL loose more than half of the trades, so it's normal state is loosing. Every time he opens a position he has more probabilities to close it as a looser than as a winner. And every few months it will have one or two loosing months. The good thing is that on this periods the losses are very small usually.

But then it will have very good winning strikes that will make it exit the drawdown periods very quick and leave them far behind.

Market tends to be consolidating more than 70% of the time. During consolidation periods there are false breakouts and volatility is low, which makes the EA loose a bit of money but during a lot of time. You will see during this periods comments such as: "the EA returns all it's gains ...", "it is a constant looser", ...
Then the breakout comes and it is then when FOREX Robin VOL recovers it's small losses and makes good gains.

Strategy 2 is nice when it gets right as today and usually it does it's work very good. But it will loose more than half of the times too, and sometimes it is very annoying to see how Strat 2 returns -300 pips to the market when things comes bad.

This is the personality of FOREX Robin VOL. So we must set the risk so that a long loosing strike is just anecdotic to us and let the EA do it's things.

As a summary of the post, I will use some very wise words from Daniel Fernandez (Asirikuy): "There is no reason to be very happy now, and there is no reason to be depressed when a drawdown comes".

Think how the customer felt on the periods marked by blue squares:
(https://donnaforex.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fclip2net.com%2Fclip%2Fm77417%2F1341510081-clip-21kb.png&hash=c8738c905e11acda31846c503efafa0c)

I was very impressed by this post about the "good start" for Robin and that at some point someone will try to trash it. I am of the same opinion that some will react this way. But you are the first to present the "real world" and I cannot express how I respect yourself (and Donna) for attempting to "open the eyes" of the gullible players in this arena (yes there are still alot about) Not a poke at forum members.
Chapeau

fmonera or donna may want to put this somewhere else (i dont know how to do that)


Title: Re: robin vs fgb
Post by: fmonera on July 06, 2012, 10:22:03 AM
I was very impressed by this post about the "good start" for Robin and that at some point someone will try to trash it. I am of the same opinion that some will react this way. But you are the first to present the "real world" and I cannot express how I respect yourself (and Donna) for attempting to "open the eyes" of the gullible players in this arena (yes there are still alot about) Not a poke at forum members.
Chapeau

fmonera or donna may want to put this somewhere else (i dont know how to do that)

Thanks a lot for your comment :)
Title: User Interface
Post by: glidebomb on July 06, 2012, 10:25:27 AM
Can we have please a detailed description of what every bit of information in the graphical user interface mean?

Thanks in advance
Title: Re: General talk about Robin VOL
Post by: websmith on July 06, 2012, 10:41:02 AM
for razor pepperstone I use Pepperstone-US03-Live in the settings | Myfxbook
Title: Re: General talk about Robin VOL
Post by: Dr.K on July 06, 2012, 11:20:47 AM
Hi fmonera,
congratulations and thanks for the great work
I have some questions before I buy this EA

1.Does spreads have a big effect on the results?
For instance,the spreads for EURUSD at Forex.comUK
is 2, which is much larger than Pepperstone RAZOR(like 0.2~0.5)

2.If I use this bot with the recommended risk (1.3? am I right?)
is it possible to run in on a broker with maximum leverage
of x25?(JP)

looking forward to running this EA
planning to fund about 20000~30000USD for this bot ;)

Regards,
Dr.K
Title: Re: General talk about Robin VOL
Post by: websmith on July 06, 2012, 11:41:57 AM
Let me answer.
1. Spread does not matter.
2. With $20000 and leverage 25 your free trading line is $20000*25=$500000
Lot size will be 0,26 with risk 1.3. Maximum positions are 8 so 0,26*8=2,08 lots or $208 000.
And your leverage should be no less than 208000/20000=10,4
Title: Re: General talk about Robin VOL
Post by: fmonera on July 06, 2012, 11:46:21 AM
Let me answer.
1. Spread does not matter.
2. With $20000 and leverage 25 your free trading line is $20000*25=$500000
Lot size will be 0,26 with risk 1.3. Maximum positions are 8 so 0,26*8=2,08 lots or $208 000.
And your leverage should be no less than 208000/20000=10,4

Thanks for answering :)

Higher spread obviously decreases profitability. As this is not a scalper, the profitability loss due to spread is a lower percentage of the trade.
Title: Re: Strategy Discussion
Post by: Curtis_S on July 06, 2012, 12:08:52 PM
I use the settings atrAdjustedMM = true and KeepTradeSizeInBasket = false.

When trades of strategy 2 are opened, the trades size is adapted to atr, but SL and TP are not, instead SL and TP of previously opened strategy 2 trades is used.

If lot sizes of further s2 trades is increased, but SL is not reduced, risk increases.

In the current basket I have open lot sizes for s2 trades of 0.54 and 0.07 among others, but equal SL.

I request that in future versions lot size is adapted to equalize risk.
Title: Features / Settings
Post by: e1vis on July 06, 2012, 12:46:00 PM
Hi FMonera

Can you just confirm that I can change the fridayclosinghour now (with open trades) and it will not affect those trades?

I think I know the answer, but just need to be sure  :D

thanks

Sorry to bump this, but I need to know whether I can change these settings today safely..
Title: Re: Features / Settings
Post by: fmonera on July 06, 2012, 01:41:44 PM
Hi FMonera

Can you just confirm that I can change the fridayclosinghour now (with open trades) and it will not affect those trades?

I think I know the answer, but just need to be sure  :D

thanks

Sorry to bump this, but I need to know whether I can change these settings today safely..

Opps, sorry. Everything is going so quick that I missed this post.

Yes you can. As a safety measure do it when there was not a signal to enter or close on previous bar or it might repeat the last signal (I have to test if I already fixed this or not).
Title: Re: General talk about Robin VOL
Post by: LarsFX on July 06, 2012, 01:43:16 PM
Hi everybody,

thats my first post within DonnaForex and its a big thank you to you guys that drive this site...

Ive seen so many strange things since ive started in forex and i avoid most of them cause i found this great place with tons of experts.

Today is was looking for some improvements for my fgb ea and i found this Robin VOL ea. As soon as i recognized that you guys are behind that stuff - i bought it right away.

Risk for me; almost zero cause even if i dont make any money and get some ugly DD. Ive saved so much trough donnaforex that it could live with it.

And as much as it hurts - i like the concept of a high price with a renewing amount of money. On first sight it really sucks (compared to 130 buck for fgb for example) but at the end of the day its all about development and improvements and to keep that level high - youll have to get recurring payments...

So, thank again and hey - even if i could live with loses; Show me the benjamins  :P
Title: Re: Strategy Discussion
Post by: fmonera on July 06, 2012, 01:54:03 PM
I use the settings atrAdjustedMM = true and KeepTradeSizeInBasket = false.

When trades of strategy 2 are opened, the trades size is adapted to atr, but SL and TP are not, instead SL and TP of previously opened strategy 2 trades is used.

If lot sizes of further s2 trades is increased, but SL is not reduced, risk increases.

One of the basic premises behind the strategy is that a volatility breakout (s1) creates a high probability zone, but retracements (s2) don't (well, they do but it is irrelevant in this strategy). Instead s2 takes advantage of the s1 zone, and this is why it uses same SL and TP.

If you use atrAdjustedMM, when the volatility decreases, the lot size increases. But obviously, as the SL and TP are imposed by S1, the risk is variable. That is correct too.

Quote
In the current basket I have open lot sizes for s2 trades of 0.54 and 0.07 among others, but equal SL.

I request that in future versions lot size is adapted to equalize risk.

I agree. That would be more correct. I will add this to the development queue. Please, confirm that the idea is correctly formulated:

 - When atrAdjustedMM is active
 - And an S2 signal is triggered

 -> trade lot size must be based on the "S1 high-probability-zone" volatility instead of the recent volatility.

Correct?
Title: Re: General talk about Robin VOL
Post by: Dr.K on July 06, 2012, 02:02:49 PM
thanks websmith and fmonera

I'm gonna start running the bot from next week :)

fmonera, hope soon we'll be able to run it on multiple currencies ;D
Title: Re: Strategy Discussion
Post by: Curtis_S on July 06, 2012, 02:05:44 PM
Using bracketSLTP = true and bracketSLTPatr = 1.1:

Currently for shorts emergency SL saved at the trading server is lower than the SL of the strategy!

Emergency SL is 1.2392
Strategy's SL is 1.2419

I suggest to change coding such that emergency SL can not be smaller that the strategies SL.

I am aware that some users enjoy "giving back less" if current behaviour remains, although long term profitability is lower.
Title: Re: Live trades
Post by: robl45 on July 06, 2012, 02:06:35 PM
at this point, it looks like worse case scenario is we break even or make a little money,  not bad at all.
Title: General talk about Robin VOL
Post by: e1vis on July 06, 2012, 02:06:59 PM
Hi everybody,

thats my first post within DonnaForex and its a big thank you to you guys that drive this site...

I´ve seen so many strange things since i´ve started in forex and i avoid most of them cause i found this great place with tons of experts.

Today is was looking for some improvements for my fgb ea and i found this Robin VOL ea. As soon as i recognized that you guys are behind that stuff - i bought it right away.

Risk for me; almost zero cause even if i don´t make any money and get some ugly DD. I´ve saved so much trough donnaforex that it could live with it.

And as much as it hurts - i like the concept of a high price with a renewing amount of money. On first sight it really sucks (compared to 130 buck for fgb for example) but at the end of the day its all about development and improvements and to keep that level high - you´ll have to get recurring payments...

So, thank again and hey - even if i could live with loses; Show me the benjamins  :P

IMHO you won't regret going with robin over fgb for one minute
Title: Features / Settings
Post by: e1vis on July 06, 2012, 02:07:42 PM
Hi FMonera

Can you just confirm that I can change the fridayclosinghour now (with open trades) and it will not affect those trades?

I think I know the answer, but just need to be sure  :D

thanks

Sorry to bump this, but I need to know whether I can change these settings today safely..

Opps, sorry. Everything is going so quick that I missed this post.

Yes you can. As a safety measure do it when there was not a signal to enter or close on previous bar or it might repeat the last signal (I have to test if I already fixed this or not).

Thanks very much. Great result this morning too :)
Title: Re: Live trades
Post by: caddyhexe on July 06, 2012, 02:14:35 PM
Captured a load...still 1 short open.

With all these pips we should rename the EA to "pomegranate"..... ;)
Title: Live trades
Post by: e1vis on July 06, 2012, 02:17:19 PM
That was a nice way to start a Friday :)
Title: Re: Strategy Discussion
Post by: fmonera on July 06, 2012, 02:21:22 PM
Using bracketSLTP = true and bracketSLTPatr = 1.1:

Currently for shorts emergency SL saved at the trading server is lower than the SL of the strategy!

Emergency SL is 1.2392
Strategy's SL is 1.2419

I suggest to change coding such that emergency SL can not be smaller that the strategies SL.

I am aware that some users enjoy "giving back less" if current behaviour remains, although long term profitability is lower.

Calm down :D :D this is the expected behavior.

Emergency SL and TP adjusts itself every 10 pips. It just brackets the price at a fixed (atr adjusted) distance.

If price goes DOWN 10 pips, emergency SL goes DOWN 10 pips too. If price then goes UP 10 pips, emergency SL goes UP too.  So it should NEVER be triggered. And by NEVER, I mean NEVER. It is just a security measure against network or hardware problems.
Title: Re: Strategy Discussion
Post by: Curtis_S on July 06, 2012, 02:26:06 PM

I agree. That would be more correct. I will add this to the development queue. Please, confirm that the idea is correctly formulated:

 - When atrAdjustedMM is active
 - And an S2 signal is triggered

 -> trade lot size must be based on the "S1 high-probability-zone" volatility instead of the recent volatility.

Correct?

I suggest this:

- If atrAdjustedMM = true
- If KeepTradeSizeInBasket = false
- If S2 is triggered

-> set lot size of the new S2 trade such, that on average you loose the same percentage of the account as with the S1 trades if their respective initial SL is reached. (I think, their respective initial SL are at the same EURUSD value. But their distance to SL from entry is different. That's the problem. To resolve this: Change lot size.)

I am not sure if your statement means the same: trade lot size must be based on the "S1 high-probability-zone" volatility instead of the recent volatility
Title: Re: Strategy Discussion
Post by: Curtis_S on July 06, 2012, 02:29:44 PM

Currently for shorts emergency SL saved at the trading server is lower than the SL of the strategy!


Calm down :D :D this is the expected behavior.


Okay, I am calm now  ;D
Title: Features / Settings
Post by: e1vis on July 06, 2012, 02:40:24 PM
Hmmm... It's actually proving harder than I thought to change the settings - it seems to be opening and closing trades every bar at the moment!
Title: Re: Strategy Discussion
Post by: fmonera on July 06, 2012, 02:40:53 PM
- If atrAdjustedMM = true
- If KeepTradeSizeInBasket = false
- If S2 is triggered

-> set lot size of the new S2 trade such, that on average you loose the same percentage of the account as with the S1 trades if their respective initial SL is reached. (I think, their respective initial SL are at the same EURUSD value. But their distance to SL from entry is different. That's the problem. To resolve this: Change lot size.)

I am not sure if your statement means the same: trade lot size must be based on the "S1 high-probability-zone" volatility instead of the recent volatility

Yes, means the same.

S2 trades usually are taken with very favorable risk:reward (such as 1:4, 1:5 or even better). But current S2 trades had 1:1 approx. And it opened 7 (sometimes it is more favorable so no worries here for the long run).

But with atrAdjustedMM=true and keepingTradeSize=false that could have hurt a bit the account in case NFP went wrong.

If you keep using this settings, please, take care of that until I improve that part with your suggestion. You have all the info now to protect your capital.
Title: Re: Features / Settings
Post by: fmonera on July 06, 2012, 02:42:26 PM
Hmmm... It's actually proving harder than I thought to change the settings - it seems to be opening and closing trades every bar at the moment!

Close MT4 and reopen. It shouldn't close your trades.

Send me the log to support@robinvol.com and a picture if possible of your screen with the bar where you changed the settings.

edit: By the way, it is opening trades because NFP generated entry signals. It is correct. But it shouldn't be closing them. You should wait until there is no entry signal on bar 1 (last closed bar) as I told you (we still need to wait until :45 to be safe with default settings).
Title: Re: General talk about Robin VOL
Post by: nickcnew on July 06, 2012, 02:47:05 PM

  Went live late yesterday and thus far gained 137 PIPS.Got 3 trades still open with small SL's.

Makes a nice change to start well.A great product.
Title: Re: General talk about Robin VOL
Post by: LarsFX on July 06, 2012, 02:52:59 PM
Hi everybody,

thats my first post within DonnaForex and its a big thank you to you guys that drive this site...

Ive seen so many strange things since ive started in forex and i avoid most of them cause i found this great place with tons of expert

Today is was looking for some improvements for my fgb ea and i found this Robin VOL ea. As soon as i recognized that you guys are behind that stuff - i bought it right away.

Risk for me; almost zero cause even if i dont make any money and get some ugly DD. Ive saved so much trough donnaforex that it could live with it.

And as much as it hurts - i like the concept of a high price with a renewing amount of money. On first sight it really sucks (compared to 130 buck for fgb for example) but at the end of the day its all about development and improvements and to keep that level high - youll have to get recurring payments...

So, thank again and hey - even if i could live with loses; Show me the benjamins  :P

IMHO you won't regret going with robin over fgb for one minute

Youre right till now ;) But even if therell be valleys - for me its all about the long term money and with the knowledge and experience of Fernando it should work out.
Title: Re: Live trades
Post by: timetotrade on July 06, 2012, 03:03:03 PM
I just checked my account and thought i was dreaming. Up around 8% on the current closed trades and once the rest of the current basket of short trades close out, depending on where they close. I will be up close to 20% profit in 1 day.
Title: Features / Settings
Post by: e1vis on July 06, 2012, 03:06:34 PM
Hmmm... It's actually proving harder than I thought to change the settings - it seems to be opening and closing trades every bar at the moment!

Close MT4 and reopen. It shouldn't close your trades.

Send me the log to support@robinvol.com and a picture if possible of your screen with the bar where you changed the settings.

edit: By the way, it is opening trades because NFP generated entry signals. It is correct. But it shouldn't be closing them. You should wait until there is no entry signal on bar 1 (last closed bar) as I told you (we still need to wait until :45 to be safe with default settings).

Apologies for the confusion - when I say closing them I just mean the large basket that closed. After that it seemed to open up new trades on the next few bars. So all is good :).

I have just changed the settings and no trades were affected - the only thing that happened was the blue TP lines have disappeared, but the actual TP levels seem to be unchanged so I'm guessing  the blue lines will appear on the next bar?
Title: Re: Live trades
Post by: fmonera on July 06, 2012, 03:06:37 PM
I just checked my account and thought i was dreaming. Up around 8% on the current closed trades and once the rest of the current basket of short trades close out, depending on where they close. I will be up close to 20% profit in 1 day.

Better to check results every month, but it is nice to have some pips in the bag in the beginning. This way drawdown periods hurts less :P

What risk level are you using?
Title: Re: Live trades
Post by: timetotrade on July 06, 2012, 03:10:18 PM
A little bit higher risk than normal, but nothing i can not handle. Yes it is good to get some early pips to bag, as we know at some point we are bound to catch one of those losing streaks again :).

I just checked my account and thought i was dreaming. Up around 8% on the current closed trades and once the rest of the current basket of short trades close out, depending on where they close. I will be up close to 20% profit in 1 day.

Better to check results every month, but it is nice to have some pips in the bag in the beginning. This way drawdown periods hurts less :P

What risk level are you using?
Title: General talk about Robin VOL
Post by: e1vis on July 06, 2012, 03:11:23 PM
Hi everybody,

thats my first post within DonnaForex and its a big thank you to you guys that drive this site...

I´ve seen so many strange things since i´ve started in forex and i avoid most of them cause i found this great place with tons of expert

Today is was looking for some improvements for my fgb ea and i found this Robin VOL ea. As soon as i recognized that you guys are behind that stuff - i bought it right away.

Risk for me; almost zero cause even if i don´t make any money and get some ugly DD. I´ve saved so much trough donnaforex that it could live with it.

And as much as it hurts - i like the concept of a high price with a renewing amount of money. On first sight it really sucks (compared to 130 buck for fgb for example) but at the end of the day its all about development and improvements and to keep that level high - you´ll have to get recurring payments...

So, thank again and hey - even if i could live with loses; Show me the benjamins  :P

IMHO you won't regret going with robin over fgb for one minute

You´re right till now ;) But even if there´ll be valleys - for me its all about the long term money and with the knowledge and experience of Fernando it should work out.

That's exactly my point. Both ea's will have dd periods. The difference is that robin is a properly coded ea with an improved strategy, significant developments in the pipeline and, most importantly, great support from the vendor.
Title: Re: Live trades
Post by: websmith on July 06, 2012, 03:17:03 PM
Today    +8.7%    460pips
and 3 open sells with solid profit
Title: Re: General talk about Robin VOL
Post by: fmonera on July 06, 2012, 03:25:13 PM
for razor pepperstone I use Pepperstone-US03-Live in the settings | Myfxbook

Done. It is verified. Thanks :D
In two hours al three accounts should show trading privileges too.
Title: Re: Features / Settings
Post by: fmonera on July 06, 2012, 03:29:18 PM
Hmmm... It's actually proving harder than I thought to change the settings - it seems to be opening and closing trades every bar at the moment!

Close MT4 and reopen. It shouldn't close your trades.

Send me the log to support@robinvol.com and a picture if possible of your screen with the bar where you changed the settings.

edit: By the way, it is opening trades because NFP generated entry signals. It is correct. But it shouldn't be closing them. You should wait until there is no entry signal on bar 1 (last closed bar) as I told you (we still need to wait until :45 to be safe with default settings).

Apologies for the confusion - when I say closing them I just mean the large basket that closed. After that it seemed to open up new trades on the next few bars. So all is good :).

I have just changed the settings and no trades were affected - the only thing that happened was the blue TP lines have disappeared, but the actual TP levels seem to be unchanged so I'm guessing  the blue lines will appear on the next bar?

Yes. They will appear on the next bar.
Title: Re: User Interface
Post by: fmonera on July 06, 2012, 03:34:59 PM
Can we have please a detailed description of what every bit of information in the graphical user interface mean?

Thanks in advance

Yes. I will do that in the following days.
Title: Re: Demo testing
Post by: SquareRoot on July 06, 2012, 03:40:08 PM
More information for your investigation... The FXDD and IBFX accounts opened trades at the same time, however the IBFX account does not show the SL and TP in the "info" window. This leads me to believe that the DLL may not be operating properly although there are no error messages. I closed the IBFX client and restarted it and still no SL/TP in the info window.


Title: Re: Demo testing
Post by: fmonera on July 06, 2012, 03:56:03 PM
Hmmmm, the thing is that it is managing correctly the positions so the problem could be in the GUI. If you have no sensitive data, make a ZIP with the full ibfx-mt4 folder (remove the history and the tester folder to make it smaller) and send it to me at support@robinvol.com. Thanks a lot !!!!

Here it works correctly on IBFX, but I will set FIFO as you do. Look my demo:

(https://donnaforex.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fclip2net.com%2Fclip%2Fm77417%2F1341586042-clip-25kb.png&hash=18bb5d511501321546e408e22e5a2c41)
Title: Re: General talk about Robin VOL
Post by: bbea on July 06, 2012, 04:06:25 PM
I just want to say good luck to fmonera! His product is an excellent one, I have no doubts about that!
Title: Re: Live trades
Post by: sponn on July 06, 2012, 04:11:10 PM
Really great start for Robin Vol. After few small loses (3 or 4 if I remember well) we have got great trades (according to placing a trades I believe there were strategy 2 trades).
Title: Re: General talk about Robin VOL
Post by: fmonera on July 06, 2012, 04:26:39 PM
I just want to say good luck to fmonera! His product is an excellent one, I have no doubts about that!

Thanks a lot :)
Title: Re: Live trades
Post by: fmonera on July 06, 2012, 04:31:29 PM
Default settings closed this basket with a net profit of +817 pips.
Title: Re: Live trades
Post by: forexforever on July 06, 2012, 04:35:46 PM
all i can say is wow!

not only have u fixed the issues with growthbot but improved it beyond belief. i bought it on monday basically without looking at the website becasue i knew fmonera was going to produce the goods....and he has.

i have run it side by side to growthbot on the settings i use growthbot on and it has outperformed it on the last group of trades we have had. i also like all the other extra touches like lines to mark visual TP and SL levels along with the interface showing the total group  of trades and their risk and reward. i actually didnt trade strat2 since i went live on tuesday but after looking over the backtest i made and the visual trades i will turn it on from next week. i actually think this was probably the best start u could ask for because strat1 and 2 absolutely killed it.

i am truly to happy to have bought it and looking forward to the good results to come.

thanks again fmonera. great job

Title: Re: Live trades
Post by: caddyhexe on July 06, 2012, 04:37:38 PM
Perfect end to the week...wonderful

Wishing you all a pleasant weekend
Title: Re: General talk about Robin VOL
Post by: Almandine on July 06, 2012, 04:58:22 PM
With 1.3 risk weighting I managed to get (almost) the same results as on the website. If I recall correctly 1.0 risk is the default? If yes, then it may be a bit misleading that the official statistical analysis were run with larger risk than the default.

And the third account is now verified. I see that it just bagged a nice profit :)

One more question: why are RobinVOL displayed under the nickname of some people in this forum? Is it an award, or they are part of the RobinVOL team, beta testers or what?
Title: Re: General talk about Robin VOL
Post by: websmith on July 06, 2012, 05:01:16 PM
Pre-release group
Title: Re: General talk about Robin VOL
Post by: Makeda on July 06, 2012, 05:13:12 PM
Well, that was a great basket. ;D  Not much else to say.  Sure drawdowns will come but I loved the information available on the entire basket. Gave me a lot of confidence to just let it run.   Really, well planned EA. 
Thanks fmonera,
Makeda   :-*
Title: Re: Live trades
Post by: robl45 on July 06, 2012, 05:15:10 PM
I just checked my account and thought i was dreaming. Up around 8% on the current closed trades and once the rest of the current basket of short trades close out, depending on where they close. I will be up close to 20% profit in 1 day.

my account is up like 40-50% today, but you wouldn't be comfortable trading with the risk I use :)
Title: Re: Live trades
Post by: WiZARD on July 06, 2012, 05:54:54 PM
I had +12,3% today on my accounts with RobinVOL. (risk 2%)

I don't know how to continue, I'm a little worried about running it with to much risk.
Does anyone have a backtest, how big DD can this 2% risk mean?
Title: Re: Live trades
Post by: robl45 on July 06, 2012, 05:57:02 PM
I had +12,3% today on my accounts with RobinVOL. (risk 2%)

I don't know how to continue, I'm a little worried about running it with to much risk.
Does anyone have a backtest, how big DD can this 2% risk mean?

at 7% I believe its about 66% relative drawdown so 2% should be probably 20% or less.
Title: Re: Features / Settings
Post by: WiZARD on July 06, 2012, 06:47:25 PM
any tips, for alternate settings?

I'm running what fmonera said - M5 10/200/1.5/0.6/0.18
It looks good, made even more pips, than the default set in the last 2 days... (around +770 pips)

any alternate pairs?

unfortunately the licensing system makes it a little difficult to test/optimize, because it is running on the vps OR on my test rig... :(
Title: Re: General talk about Robin VOL
Post by: fmonera on July 06, 2012, 10:23:14 PM
With 1.3 risk weighting I managed to get (almost) the same results as on the website. If I recall correctly 1.0 risk is the default? If yes, then it may be a bit misleading that the official statistical analysis were run with larger risk than the default.

And the third account is now verified. I see that it just bagged a nice profit :)

One more question: why are RobinVOL displayed under the nickname of some people in this forum? Is it an award, or they are part of the RobinVOL team, beta testers or what?

First account (20,000 euro capital, pepperstone std) has a risk setting of 1.3%
Second account (2,977 euro capital pepperstone std) has a risk setting of 2.2%
Third account (3,000 euro capital pepperstone razor) has a risk setting of 1%
Fourth account (1,000 euro capital pepperstone std) has a risk setting of 1% (will be public later today)

The RobinVOL group was used during the two weeks of the pre-release. Now that everything is public it is not needed anymore. Eventually Donna will remove it.

Regards
Title: General talk about Robin VOL
Post by: biedermeier on July 06, 2012, 11:13:48 PM
I like the RobinVOL badge and will proudly ware it. :-)

Last couple of days has for sure been really great and I am really impressed with what this EA can accomplish when things fall into place.

Best wishes


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Title: Features / Settings
Post by: biedermeier on July 06, 2012, 11:36:01 PM
Is there any way to make an EA just working "offline" for backtesting purposes?
It's a hassle to do BT on your vps and I don't wanna just change the server temporarily for testing.


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Title: Re: Demo testing
Post by: SquareRoot on July 07, 2012, 12:51:59 AM
Hmmmm, the thing is that it is managing correctly the positions so the problem could be in the GUI. If you have no sensitive data, make a ZIP with the full ibfx-mt4 folder (remove the history and the tester folder to make it smaller) and send it to me at support@robinvol.com. Thanks a lot !!!!

Here it works correctly on IBFX, but I will set FIFO as you do. Look my demo:

The GUI was working correctly on IBFX up until the DLL error message. I agree, though .... the trade logic is working properly and matches the FXDD trades. I'll send you the zip file.
Title: Re: Features / Settings
Post by: fmonera on July 07, 2012, 12:53:38 AM
Is there any way to make an EA just working "offline" for backtesting purposes?
It's a hassle to do BT on your vps and I don't wanna just change the server temporarily for testing.


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When you want to change to another server, just write to support@robinvol.com. Don't forget to put in the body the email that you used for registration.
Title: Re: Live trades
Post by: AtlantaSean on July 07, 2012, 02:12:48 AM
Wow what a basket! All Hail fmonera!
FXDD +894 pips
Alpari US +784 pips
Title: Re: Live trades
Post by: websmith on July 07, 2012, 02:14:00 AM
It was just very very profitable week. My risk is also 2%. With such risk RelDD is about 20-25%
Title: Re: Live trades
Post by: Johnnykanoo on July 07, 2012, 03:05:17 AM
Well my first day out the gate and RV earned me a cool 2.33%  Not bad at all!  I know its superstitious but I take this as a good sign.  Most ea's seem to lose there first time I use them.  You know "The curse"  So yea I think it's great that I'm out the gate with 3 postive trades on my Pepperstone Razor account.

BTW @Fmonera  Your ea really looks great and I am so super grateful that you decided to share this with us.
Title: Re: Live trades
Post by: timetotrade on July 07, 2012, 03:48:05 AM
well i am up 25% profit with the shorts of yesterday. All have now closed out bar 1. So what a fanstastic week :)
Title: Re: General talk about Robin VOL
Post by: anjelo on July 07, 2012, 05:41:09 AM
Hi fmonera,

Congratulations for the EA. I certainly believe that this is what so called long term profitable EA. Some questions I have here:

If I want to run this EA along with FGB, what is the conservative setting for both Robin and FGB in a USD2000 account with 1:100 leverage in Pepper Razor?

Currently I use 0.01 for every USD1000 with FGB. Is it OK to keep this setting and just plug in Robin with 1% risk setting?

Thanks in advance
Title: Re: General talk about Robin VOL
Post by: fmonera on July 07, 2012, 07:54:07 AM
Hi fmonera,

Congratulations for the EA. I certainly believe that this is what so called long term profitable EA. Some questions I have here:

If I want to run this EA along with FGB, what is the conservative setting for both Robin and FGB in a USD2000 account with 1:100 leverage in Pepper Razor?
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1% to 1.3% risk should be fine on Robin VOL default settings as long as you keep 0.01 for every $1000 on FGB default settings.

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Currently I use 0.01 for every USD1000 with FGB. Is it OK to keep this setting and just plug in Robin with 1% risk setting?

Thanks in advance

Yes, it's ok :)
Title: Re: General talk about Robin VOL
Post by: flatour on July 07, 2012, 12:02:48 PM
Does it make sens to run both FGB and RobinVol?
Thanks
Title: Re: General talk about Robin VOL
Post by: fmonera on July 07, 2012, 12:38:54 PM
Does it make sens to run both FGB and RobinVol?
Thanks

It depends. It completely make sense to run both at the same time if you set default settings on both, as they will take different trades.

But if you already owe Robin VOL, you can tweak the settings to force Robin VOL to take very similar trades to FGB default (disable the second strategy, set same periods, sl and tp and threshold, set 72 bars to timed exit, set avoidTradesOnWeekends=false, set useBracketSLTP = false, disable money management and set fixed lots, ...). Not sure if that would make sense but certainly you can.
Title: Re: Live trades
Post by: sponn on July 07, 2012, 12:46:23 PM
This week + 927.4 pips. What a great start on my live account :)
Title: Re: General talk about Robin VOL
Post by: fx.mstr on July 07, 2012, 01:22:49 PM
Congrat. Fmonera for your bot. :)

You released it at a very good time, as 2 very nice rally happened within a week that were good for these type of strategies, unlike BBEA who released his EA at a little bit bad period. So the fortune also wants you to be successful. :)
Title: Re: Live trades
Post by: timetotrade on July 07, 2012, 02:15:15 PM
I don't mind having some DD now, especially when i am up 25% in the first week. The thing i hate to see is one of those losing streaks start before you make any profit at all :)
Title: Re: Live trades
Post by: jshear on July 07, 2012, 02:18:17 PM
Yes great start to the week. Glad to have been testing this ea prior to its release. Its a rock solid strategy better the growthbot. Cheers to everyone!!


Jeff :)
Title: Live trades
Post by: biedermeier on July 07, 2012, 02:31:34 PM
Same here. It felt so good I put it on a live account before the official release.
This bot is part of my retirement plan.

Thanks once more Fmonera.


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Title: Re: Live trades
Post by: robl45 on July 07, 2012, 03:12:53 PM
Yes great start to the week. Glad to have been testing this ea prior to its release. Its a rock solid strategy better the growthbot. Cheers to everyone!!


Jeff :)

well it is basically growthbot if you turn off strategy 2.
Title: Re: Live trades
Post by: jshear on July 07, 2012, 03:37:59 PM
Yes growthbot without the risk of loosing control of the trades. And  good optimization. I would prefer this bot due to these things. And yes a pullback strategy similar to FE Trend Scalper which also trades pullbacks. But Robins has a larger profit target the FE Trend Scalper!!!


Cheers

Jeff :)
Title: Re: General talk about Robin VOL
Post by: flatour on July 07, 2012, 04:38:23 PM
Thanks for your reply,
For now, how many copies have been sold?
Does the EA take into consideration the commission from my broker?
Is it possible to have a comparison from the best FGB settings (defaults one in fact, http://www.forexverified.com/reports/growthbot/growthbot001.html) and RobinVol, on the same period?
Also, fmonera, do you have a blog or something when you sum up tips, advices, tips running your robot, or are defaults settings ok for everybody?
BTW I think you have great website, great support, always available, quick answers, schedule respected, your name is well known, donna is with you, I congratulate you
BTW is donna's % official (no problem this is normal, just to know)
Title: Re: General talk about Robin VOL
Post by: hlreis on July 07, 2012, 04:38:46 PM
Congrats Fnomera for this grest work

How about dependency of broker?

Can I run it on my Alpari and be equally profitable?

Thanks

Hermes
Title: Re: Live trades
Post by: robl45 on July 07, 2012, 04:51:31 PM
Yes growthbot without the risk of loosing control of the trades. And  good optimization. I would prefer this bot due to these things. And yes a pullback strategy similar to FE Trend Scalper which also trades pullbacks. But Robins has a larger profit target the FE Trend Scalper!!!


Cheers

Jeff :)

well of course the not loosing trades is the major thing, anyone trading growthbot on more than a 1000 dollar account is out of their mind.
Title: Re: General talk about Robin VOL
Post by: websmith on July 07, 2012, 05:17:17 PM
Congrats Fnomera for this grest work

How about dependency of broker?

Can I run it on my Alpari and be equally profitable?

Thanks

Hermes

I am Robin Vol user. Let me answer. The last basket closed with:
ThinkForex +882 pips
Tadawul Fx +772 pips
Alpari Nz NDD +961 pips
Alpari Nz NDD demo (I use it for Dukascopy bridge) +859 pips
Pepperstone Razor +811 pips
Title: Re: General talk about Robin VOL
Post by: flatour on July 07, 2012, 05:27:32 PM
Websmith, do you have the result of running it with fxprimus and IC Markets?
Thanks !
Title: Re: General talk about Robin VOL
Post by: fmonera on July 07, 2012, 05:58:27 PM
Thanks for your reply,
For now, how many copies have been sold?

I prefer to keep that info private.

Quote
Does the EA take into consideration the commission from my broker?

Not sure what do you mean. Commision does not have any influence on the strategy.

Quote
Is it possible to have a comparison from the best FGB settings (defaults one in fact, http://www.forexverified.com/reports/growthbot/growthbot001.html) and RobinVol, on the same period?

Sure, but I will not do that by myself. I don't think it would be elegant to compare both as I am the vendor.

If anyone want's to make the comparison it is ok for me.

Quote
Also, fmonera, do you have a blog or something when you sum up tips, advices, tips running your robot, or are defaults settings ok for everybody?

Only the website and donnaforex forum.

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BTW I think you have great website, great support, always available, quick answers, schedule respected, your name is well known, donna is with you, I congratulate you
BTW is donna's % official (no problem this is normal, just to know)

Thanks :)

If Donna want's to disclose the terms of the deal, it is ok for me. If she don't want to, it is ok for me too. I will support any decission she takes on this matter, even not taking any decission :)
Title: Re: General talk about Robin VOL
Post by: fmonera on July 07, 2012, 06:01:33 PM
Congrats Fnomera for this grest work

How about dependency of broker?

Can I run it on my Alpari and be equally profitable?

Thanks

Hermes

Yes, no problem.
Title: Re: General talk about Robin VOL
Post by: flatour on July 07, 2012, 06:01:56 PM
Thanks for the reply fmonera,
You are so fair and transparent, I really like, thank you, for the EA I think I will wait a few weeks then jump in, thanks
Title: Re: General talk about Robin VOL
Post by: jshear on July 07, 2012, 06:33:43 PM
It does not matter how many copies he has sold. This is not an Asian scalper so liquidity and capacity issues won't be a problem. We are trading one of the most liquid pairs during prime time and we are not scalping for a pip or two like tick scalpers.  We are trend based trading for more pips!!

Cheers Fnomera!!!


Jeff
Title: Re: General talk about Robin VOL
Post by: donnaforex on July 07, 2012, 07:52:56 PM

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BTW I think you have great website, great support, always available, quick answers, schedule respected, your name is well known, donna is with you, I congratulate you
BTW is donna's % official (no problem this is normal, just to know)

Thanks :)

If Donna want's to disclose the terms of the deal, it is ok for me. If she don't want to, it is ok for me too. I will support any decission she takes on this matter, even not taking any decission :)

I am working with fmonera and we are taking a % commission, yes. My role is to provide admin support and backup, marketing and exposure, handle all payments and payment issues/refunds, provide space here on the forum, etc. and any other help as needed, so that fmonera can just focus on EA development and answering technical queries. Working together also helps us provide a better overall service as we have to be accountable to each other for the way we manage business and work to the same ethics and values with regards to how forex business should be managed (you will notice that your inbox is not spammed with robinvol 'junk' or 'hype' for instance by your typical internet marketers, if anyone who eventually affiliates with us EVER does that they will be booted out faster than you can say 'robin'). Also, we each bring unique skills to the table which are different and complement each other and result in a better overall service.

 fmonera has been a valued moderator on our forum for a while so i am very glad to be of help and know how hard he has worked on this EA, which has a very solid grounding as anyone following fmonera's posts will see. He deserves to get good exposure for it which could be hard to get if going it alone completely from scratch, hence why i'm doing this - and i know that many of our members will really love this EA and want to know about it (likewise i would do it for any of our more active forum members if i KNOW without a doubt that their EA is GOOD and that i have been in plenty of private conversation previously with them/gotten to know them, indeed i have offered help and support to several members in this way although this is a first for me in terms of RobinVOL). For my part, a good proportion of any money made via any deals i do tend to go towards our site costs (servers and programmers mostly) and exploring future development/ideas/trying things out/provide free personal advice via email/compensating scam victims occasionally so i hope that in the long run people see the benefits here in our community.

Anyway, back on topic,.. if anyone wants to contact me they can do so at admin@donnaforex.com to discuss anything at all, i like hearing from people :).
Title: Re: optimization for different pairs
Post by: guernica on July 07, 2012, 08:55:35 PM
Here we can see a interesting demo in all pairs:
http://www.forexverified.com/reports/robinvol/robinvol002.html
Very powerful.
Someone have experienced other pairs, in live, than eurusd ?
Title: Re: optimization for different pairs
Post by: fmonera on July 07, 2012, 09:17:38 PM
Here we can see a interesting demo in all pairs:
http://www.forexverified.com/reports/robinvol/robinvol002.html
Very powerful.
Someone have experienced other pairs, in live, than eurusd ?

Yes. That test is going to wipe the account obviously :) But no doubt it is interesting. It covers pairs that I wasn't focusing on.
Title: Re: General talk about Robin VOL
Post by: hien on July 07, 2012, 09:26:10 PM
Thank you Donna and Fmonera. You are a great team. Transparent and always.

hien
Title: Re: optimization for different pairs
Post by: reinerh on July 07, 2012, 11:51:55 PM

my gutt feeling is that it should run well on aud and nzusd as well.

gu i am pretty sure wont work, it jumps to erratic, thats why its good for grids.
Title: Re: optimization for different pairs
Post by: robl45 on July 07, 2012, 11:54:43 PM

my gutt feeling is that it should run well on aud and nzusd as well.

gu i am pretty sure wont work, it jumps to erratic, thats why its good for grids.

thats the problem, it did work decent on gbpusd for years, at from 2002 to 6/2010 it worked and would have made you a millionaire a number of times over, then it just failed and went to zero. no rhyme or reason, just failed.  Thats what worries me, it wasn't even like it was a slow decline, it just died almost overnight.  and I haven't seen workable settings for other pairs yet.  By workable I mean something that has remained profitable over the 10 year period and makes enough that its worth running.
Title: Spread betting accounts
Post by: fmonera on July 08, 2012, 01:21:21 AM
I have Added to the development queue to add some code to make the trade size calculation value similar on both regular forex and spread betting accounts.

If someone want's to use a Spread Betting account with Robin VOL 1.6, I suggest to set the trade size by hand or to make a backtest first to set the risk setting according to the result.
Title: Re: General talk about Robin VOL
Post by: websmith on July 08, 2012, 04:40:29 AM
Websmith, do you have the result of running it with fxprimus and IC Markets?
Thanks !

No I do not use no fxprimus nor IC Markets. Robin Vol is not scalper. There is no much difference where to run it.
Title: Re: General talk about Robin VOL
Post by: hien on July 08, 2012, 06:04:45 AM
... and always there.
Title: Re: General talk about Robin VOL
Post by: robl45 on July 08, 2012, 06:34:46 AM
Websmith, do you have the result of running it with fxprimus and IC Markets?
Thanks !

No I do not use no fxprimus nor IC Markets. Robin Vol is not scalper. There is no much difference where to run it.

slippage is still slippage and it adds up. hotforex slipped me a combined 25+ pips on one basket of trades, amounted to over 300 dollars.
Title: Re: Spread betting accounts
Post by: robl45 on July 08, 2012, 06:38:30 AM
I have Added to the development queue to add some code to make the trade size calculation value similar on both regular forex and spread betting accounts.

If someone want's to use a Spread Betting account with Robin VOL 1.6, I suggest to set the trade size by hand or to make a backtest first to set the risk setting according to the result.

IMHO this is unnecessary, as you said, you can adjust the risk by running a quick backtest to see the lotsizes it opens up and adjust from there and there doesn't seem to be much action going on in the spead bet forum.
Title: Re: optimization for different pairs
Post by: vittel on July 08, 2012, 09:48:46 AM
it worried me as it maight fall as well as the eurusd pair..just hope that day won't come too soon.

i also have a great idea for the Optimization of the setting. if someone could write a little EA so it can test every possible setting from SlowVol 200,201,202,203 etc..
and put it on the cloud server,and let it run automaticly, and compair the result found,perhaps after few days, we will have a best setting.

o ye, im so Excited.....
Title: Re: General talk about Robin VOL
Post by: Almandine on July 08, 2012, 10:23:16 AM
I run some more profit calculations for the first year. I share it, as maybe it can be useful for some.
I wanted to know the amount I risk in the first year after I buy this EA and run it until the worst case scenario happens, and compare this risked amount to the expected profit. I call it "yearly R:R" which is the ratio of the money I lose if the worst case happens in the first year and of the expected yearly profit..

In Europe we have to pay $75 VAT for this EA (but we can run it without the FIFO rule ;) So the fix 1st year cost is $395 (EA price) + $75 (VAT) + about $150 (VPS) = $620.

With 1.3 risk setting the risked money amount is 20% of the starting capital.
The expected profit is 57% of the capital.

If we want at least as much expected profit as the risked amount,  then the minimum start capital is $1700. In this case we risk $620 (fix cost) + $1700 x 0.2 (risked capital) = $960. The expected profit is $1700 x 0.57 = $969, which is about the same amount.
So in the worst case (if the EA loses 20% of its capital in the first year after the refund period and we have to stop trading it) we lose a total of $960. But if the EA performs as well as expected, we will profit $969, so the "yearly R:R" is around 1:1.

Some other scenarios:
- With the minimum recommended start capital ($1000) the risk setting should be set to 2.2 in order to get 1:1 yearly reward:risk ratio ($965:$958).
- With $3000 start capital and 1.3 risk setting we risk $1220 in total, but we may win $1710.
- With $3000 start capital and doubled (2.6) risk setting we risk $1820 in total, but we may win $3420.
- With $5000 start capital and 1.3 risk setting we risk $1620 in total, but may we win $2850.
- With $5000 start capital and doubled (2.6) risk setting we risk $2620 in total, but we may win $5700. In this case the yearly reward:risk ratio is 2.1 : 1

Note that it is basically a bet: we bet that the EA will perform in the next 365 days as well as it did in the past (or as we expect it). With 1:1 ratio a bet is good if we expect that we have more than 50% chance to win. Based on the facts (backtests, live accounts, fmonera's analyses etc.) I believe we have way more chance than 50%. Plus, if we increase the start capital, then the expected profit increases more than the risk, so the 1:1 ratio changes to our favour.

Of course these are only an educated estimates based on the known statistical results.
Title: Re: General talk about Robin VOL
Post by: fmonera on July 08, 2012, 10:48:51 AM
Fantastic approach!!! +rep
Title: Multiple MT4 instances in the same machine
Post by: startmeup on July 08, 2012, 01:58:06 PM
Hi,

I'm considering buying the EA, but reading the terms and conditions I'm not 100% sure if it would cover my use case: I have two accounts from different brokers, so I use two MT4 instances (simultaneously, in the same machine) to trade. Would it be possible to use robin VOL for both instances simultaneously?
Title: Re: Lost internet connection and hardware authentication window came up
Post by: reinerh on July 08, 2012, 02:12:55 PM
Yes it worked ran installer again and all got fixed. Now I have to start my demo over as the trade sequence got messed up. With loss of internet connection the hardware authentication window comes up and this is a problem.


Jeff



and then it totally lost connection to the orders just like gbot ?

oh oh, thats not good if we run this live, especially in a case when its not seen right away.

this sure does not inspire a cozy feeling when trading live, sure hope fmonera can solve that issue.

thats exactly the reason i gave up on gbot.

Title: Re: Lost internet connection and hardware authentication window came up
Post by: fmonera on July 08, 2012, 02:15:36 PM
This can happen if some days passes without internet connection. I will come again to let you know how many days exactly has to pass without internet connection.
Title: Re: Multiple MT4 instances in the same machine
Post by: fmonera on July 08, 2012, 02:16:22 PM
Hi,

I'm considering buying the EA, but reading the terms and conditions I'm not 100% sure if it would cover my use case: I have two accounts from different brokers, so I use two MT4 instances (simultaneously, in the same machine) to trade. Would it be possible to use robin VOL for both instances simultaneously?

Yes. No problem.
Title: Re: General talk about Robin VOL
Post by: leyuyeoh on July 08, 2012, 02:29:06 PM
good job...  rep added  :)
Title: Re: Lost internet connection and hardware authentication window came up
Post by: reinerh on July 08, 2012, 02:38:18 PM
This can happen if some days passes without internet connection. I will come again to let you know how many days exactly has to pass without internet connection.

it sounded more like jshear had a temporary internet disconnect.

how long has your internet been down jeff ?
Title: Re: Lost internet connection and hardware authentication window came up
Post by: jshear on July 08, 2012, 03:15:06 PM
Actually my Internet was not down but the computer showed no connection so I did a reboot and the Internet worked again.  Not sure why this happened it was first time it did this.  But I had to re install software for authentication to work again.

Title: Re: Lost internet connection and hardware authentication window came up
Post by: reinerh on July 08, 2012, 03:25:46 PM
Actually my Internet was not down but the computer showed no connection so I did a reboot and the Internet worked again.  Not sure why this happened it was first time it did this.  But I had to re install software for authentication to work again.

so did it lock onto the open trades then at least ?

i was about to take robin live next week but now i am not so sure. i am running all my stuff in a vps, but how would anybody know that robin is offline, i am sure there is no email warn message or something.
envy just had a similar issue, darn protection, makes the bots so unreliable for the customer, and we are the ones risking our capital. how can you have peace of mind with an issue like this, arg.
Title: Re: Lost internet connection and hardware authentication window came up
Post by: jshear on July 08, 2012, 03:31:53 PM
A window came up to authenticate my hardware again but since my computer had no Internet connection it did not work. Once I rebooted I was required to re install the ea and all was good.  But I closed the trades and re started my demo account.
Title: Re: Lost internet connection and hardware authentication window came up
Post by: robl45 on July 08, 2012, 03:43:17 PM
A window came up to authenticate my hardware again but since my computer had no Internet connection it did not work. Once I rebooted I was required to re install the ea and all was good.  But I closed the trades and re started my demo account.

it should have still kept control of the trades, no reason to close them.

but at any rate, its a major problem.  what if VPS goes down or reboots, then comes back up and gets this error?  for me I work full time and check my vps through my smart phone.  I'm able to see my trades.  kill an EA if needed and close a trade if needed, but no way I could reinstall the EA from the smart phone.  Worse, I can only check on the vps a few times a day so it could be sitting dead for  a number of hours before I knew it.
Title: Re: General talk about Robin VOL
Post by: Almandine on July 08, 2012, 03:57:30 PM
Fantastic approach!!! +rep

Thanks :)
A few more questions:

1. What is the minimum required capital on brokers having 0.1 lot as minimum lot size?

2. What happens if the authentication server goes down (or is unavailable for any reason)?
Title: Re: Lost internet connection and hardware authentication window came up
Post by: fmonera on July 08, 2012, 03:58:29 PM
How much time did the machine passed without internet connection?

Rebooting of course shouldn't be an issue Rob. Even temporary connection loss (hours even a day or two) too shouldn't be an issue.


I am dealing with this on two fronts:


1. Knowing how much time without internet connection must pass before needing to reauthenticate.

The security provider answer to this is "days".
But I asked a more concrete answer and I am waiting for the answer.


2. Trying to reproduce the problem

There are a lot of people running Robin VOL now. Please, if someone experiences the same issue, post here the experience.

I am setting up a new virtual machine and will try to force this issue. I will install the EA and then disconnect it from Internet for a day. Then I will reboot while still without internet connection.

Maybe the change of machine had something to do too.


I will come here with more information and I will not stop until everything is crystal clear.
Title: Re: Lost internet connection and hardware authentication window came up
Post by: robl45 on July 08, 2012, 04:02:36 PM
no of course rebooting shouldn't be an issue, i'm just going by what I read here,  my vps is stable so I haven't experienced anything like this, but even CNS blips from time to time

How much time did the machine passed without internet connection?

Rebooting of course shouldn't be an issue Rob. Even temporary connection loss (hours even a day or two) too shouldn't be an issue.


I am dealing with this on two fronts:


1. Knowing how much time without internet connection must pass before needing to reauthenticate.

The security provider answer to this is "days".
But I asked a more concrete answer and I am waiting for the answer.


2. Trying to reproduce the problem

There are a lot of people running Robin VOL now. Please, if someone experiences the same issue, post here the experience.

I am setting up a new virtual machine and will try to force this issue. I will install the EA and then disconnect it from Internet for a day. Then I will reboot while still without internet connection.

Maybe the change of machine had something to do too.


I will come here with more information and I will not stop until everything is crystal clear.
Title: Re: Lost internet connection and hardware authentication window came up
Post by: jshear on July 08, 2012, 04:20:51 PM
Unfortunately I do not know how much time passed before the re authentication window came up as the screen saver is on my ea computer so I wasn't watching the screen. It could not have been too long as I check on it from time to time. Luckily I noticed it and rebooted but if I hadn't it could have been a big issue. When I rebooted the ea would not load up on my chart so I had to re install the ea. Yes I could have re installed and let the ea take over again but I did not know that at the time so I closed all open trades.


Jeff
Title: Re: Lost internet connection and hardware authentication window came up
Post by: jshear on July 08, 2012, 04:23:54 PM
The easy way to re create it is to pull out your ethernet cable off a computer so computer shows no internet connection and see how long it take for the re hardware authentication window comes up in. I know it wasn't days max it was an hour but I cannot tell you for sure the time in minutes.


Jeff
Title: Re: Lost internet connection and hardware authentication window came up
Post by: fmonera on July 08, 2012, 04:32:21 PM
The easy way to re create it is to pull out your ethernet cable off a computer so computer shows no internet connection and see how long it take for the re hardware authentication window comes up in. I know it wasn't days max it was an hour but I cannot tell you for sure the time in minutes.

That will be very easy to reproduce then. Thanks.
Title: Re: Live trades
Post by: jubal on July 08, 2012, 07:54:02 PM
Yes great to get a few good trades starting off with this Ea. Makes a change from buying something and falling off the cliff immediately. But lets keep our feet on the ground. It wont always be like this and no doubt hard times will come and cause us some pain. Just dont go increasing risk or something stupid like that on the back of this first good week. Not trying to be a party pooper but trying to be a realist. good luck to all!!
Title: Re: General talk about Robin VOL
Post by: fx.mstr on July 08, 2012, 08:12:51 PM
I run some more profit calculations for the first year. I share it, as maybe it can be useful for some.
I wanted to know the amount I risk in the first year after I buy this EA and run it until the worst case scenario happens, and compare this risked amount to the expected profit. I call it "yearly R:R" which is the ratio of the money I lose if the worst case happens in the first year and of the expected yearly profit..

In Europe we have to pay $75 VAT for this EA (but we can run it without the FIFO rule ;) So the fix 1st year cost is $395 (EA price) + $75 (VAT) + about $150 (VPS) = $620.

With 1.3 risk setting the risked money amount is 20% of the starting capital.
The expected profit is 57% of the capital.

If we want at least as much expected profit as the risked amount,  then the minimum start capital is $1700. In this case we risk $620 (fix cost) + $1700 x 0.2 (risked capital) = $960. The expected profit is $1700 x 0.57 = $969, which is about the same amount.
So in the worst case (if the EA loses 20% of its capital in the first year after the refund period and we have to stop trading it) we lose a total of $960. But if the EA performs as well as expected, we will profit $969, so the "yearly R:R" is around 1:1.

Some other scenarios:
- With the minimum recommended start capital ($1000) the risk setting should be set to 2.2 in order to get 1:1 yearly reward:risk ratio ($965:$958).
- With $3000 start capital and 1.3 risk setting we risk $1220 in total, but we may win $1710.
- With $3000 start capital and doubled (2.6) risk setting we risk $1820 in total, but we may win $3420.
- With $5000 start capital and 1.3 risk setting we risk $1620 in total, but may we win $2850.
- With $5000 start capital and doubled (2.6) risk setting we risk $2620 in total, but we may win $5700. In this case the yearly reward:risk ratio is 2.1 : 1

Note that it is basically a bet: we bet that the EA will perform in the next 365 days as well as it did in the past (or as we expect it). With 1:1 ratio a bet is good if we expect that we have more than 50% chance to win. Based on the facts (backtests, live accounts, fmonera's analyses etc.) I believe we have way more chance than 50%. Plus, if we increase the start capital, then the expected profit increases more than the risk, so the 1:1 ratio changes to our favour.

Of course these are only an educated estimates based on the known statistical results.

I have only one question. What VPS does cost you only $150/year? What I use (it is the most reasonble price and quality what I've found in the market) costs me around $420 / year ($360 the basic but I added some more RAM).
Title: Re: General talk about Robin VOL
Post by: 3827 on July 08, 2012, 08:20:42 PM
Any plan for a PAMM account in near future?

 :D
Title: Re: General talk about Robin VOL
Post by: fmonera on July 08, 2012, 08:33:44 PM
Any plan for a PAMM account in near future?

 :D

Yes. If there is enough demand I will open a PAMM account for FOREX Robin VOL.
Title: Re: General talk about Robin VOL
Post by: Almandine on July 08, 2012, 08:35:05 PM
I have only one question. What VPS does cost you only $150/year? What I use (it is the most reasonble price and quality what I've found in the market) costs me around $420 / year ($360 the basic but I added some more RAM).

I have SWVPS. I signed up years ago when there was a special discount and since then they have not increased the yearly price.

It is definitely a special case, most of the time the VPS costs more.
Title: General talk about Robin VOL
Post by: biedermeier on July 08, 2012, 10:10:59 PM
Well there is also the chance that you get a free VPS if you sign up with a new broker.


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Title: Closing Trades Manually
Post by: ForexVerified-Scott on July 08, 2012, 10:42:16 PM
The website and documentation for version 1.6.0 states:

Quote
IMPORTANT NOTE: FOREX Robin VOL is designed to open and close positions by itself. Manual closing of positions is not supported and it will make the Expert Advisor to behave erratically. Manual intervention will be implemented in future releases.

I'm wondering if anyone has tried closing trades manually and what happened?  Erratic behavior could be either 'little' or 'big'.

With the FGB EA sometimes when I would close a trade, the lot size on the next few trades would suddenly increase 2x, 3x or even 4x, even though it's supposed to use a fixed lot size.  That was enough to make me stop using it.

I'm just wondering if Robin Vol would do something similar after trades are closed manually, or what should we expect?

I don't close trades manually very often, but sometimes you just get that urge to take profit.
Title: Re: Closing Trades Manually
Post by: fmonera on July 08, 2012, 11:06:52 PM
Nothing strange will happen. The net positioning algorithm would find a discrepance and reopen the trade.

To close manually:


I didn't test this deeply as it is against long term profitability. This is why it is not supported yet.
Title: Re: Closing Trades Manually
Post by: ForexVerified-Scott on July 08, 2012, 11:41:05 PM
Nothing strange will happen. The net positioning algorithm would find a discrepancy and reopen the trade.

Dude, you rock.  :)  Thanks!
Title: Re: optimization for different pairs
Post by: ForexVerified-Scott on July 08, 2012, 11:50:44 PM
Here we can see a interesting demo in all pairs:
http://www.forexverified.com/reports/robinvol/robinvol002.html
Very powerful.
Someone have experienced other pairs, in live, than eurusd ?

Isn't that a hoot?!   Here's the secret.  Use a crystal ball to predict when the next big move will happen.  Then enable all of the currency pairs, make a pile of $$, and then disable it after the big move ends.   =D

Normally our all-pairs tests are $100k demos, not $10k demos, so they last longer.  I messed up when I created this one but now that it's up 50%, I don't have the heart to scrap it and start a new one with $100k.   When it crashes then I'll restart it with $100k.
Title: Re: optimization for different pairs
Post by: guernica on July 09, 2012, 09:32:36 AM
Very nice Scott.
Normally our all-pairs tests are $100k demos, not $10k demos, so they last longer.  I messed up when I created this one but now that it's up 50%, I don't have the heart to scrap it and start a new one with $100k.   When it crashes then I'll restart it with $100k.
Title: about deposit
Post by: ceperasdf on July 09, 2012, 11:06:53 AM
hello,i can start with 500~$ deposit?
alpari NZ/0.01
thx
Title: Re: about deposit
Post by: fmonera on July 09, 2012, 11:14:36 AM
hello,i can start with 500~$ deposit?
alpari NZ/0.01
thx

With default settings you would be risking too much. And you need too much time (or too much risk) to cover licensing costs.
Title: Re: Lost internet connection and hardware authentication window came up
Post by: fmonera on July 09, 2012, 01:28:25 PM
At the moment, the only way to reproduce the problem was:

 - Move the licence from the testing machine to the VPS by reinstalling
 - start MT4 on the testing machine. It shows the authentication screen.

This is the expected behavior as the license now is on the VPS, so no bugs in this test.
edit: Neither rebooting nor temporary connection loss reproduced the problem.

Next test: I will move the license to the testing machine again. Then I will unplug the cable and just wait.
Title: Re: General talk about Robin VOL
Post by: IamTHAT on July 09, 2012, 01:42:01 PM
Yes. If there is enough demand I will open a PAMM account for FOREX Robin VOL.

I am looking forward to it.

Thank you.
Title: Re: General talk about Robin VOL
Post by: zuk156 on July 09, 2012, 02:36:33 PM
How would ea handle situation if after 1st opened trade margin fell bellow 100% (due to manual trades) and ea still wants to open trades?

Would that 1st trade still close normally as it would if margin remained positive all along?
Title: Lost internet connection and hardware authentication window came up
Post by: IFFTrader on July 09, 2012, 02:41:11 PM
Since jshear run this at home pc. It will be dynamic ip. I not sure how the authentication works but the ip address renew and loosing Internet connection follow by a reboot trigger this?

VPS is fixed ip so it should not be issue in above scenario.

Just my guess from some experience with EA that lock down on machine.

Title: Re: General talk about Robin VOL
Post by: caddyhexe on July 09, 2012, 02:44:42 PM
PAMM

I have some experience with PAMMs and would like to make a few points.

If you have had a different experience please let us know.

All the PAMMs that I have been involved with will only take a group of accounts with the same currency, so no mixing USD accounts with EUR accounts. This would entail setting up more PAMMs.

All accounts in one PAMM would have to have the same risk settings etc. Therefore before setting up there must be a fixed, agreed set of  parameters (or more PAMMs) and a set of rules laid down if a change was suggested.

Unlike the EURO there must be a set of rules governing entry to and exit from the PAMM. Why?

Normally there is only one fixed time each day when accounts can be added or removed from the PAMM. At this point all open trades are marked to market (i.e. losses deducted or profits credited). This could cause a problem with position sizes as the equity will be changed. (this feature can also be used by by unscrupulous clients to their advantage but is complicated to explain and would obviously not apply to forum members)

A simple rule could be that accounts can only be removed or added when the system is flat. (This also relies on the broker actually mapping and de mapping punctually)

Hope this made sense.

Best wishes to all
Title: Re: General talk about Robin VOL
Post by: flatour on July 09, 2012, 02:50:04 PM
@caddyhexe, problem is, AFAIK, all brokers offering PAMMs are "bad" brokers, such as InstaForex with his 3 pip spread (there are rebates but I dont like 3 pip spread wow!), ideal would be PAMM on an ECN low spread broker, for maximum performance
If you have experience in this maybe it would be good to give us some advice so fmonera won't create the PAMM anywhere!
Title: Re: optimization for different pairs
Post by: jubal on July 09, 2012, 03:05:52 PM
I really hope fmonera or someone else with the skill is working hard at optimising for other pairs. I still think its only a matter of when, rather than if, the euro disappears. So we need something else in there thats just as profitable
Title: Re: General talk about Robin VOL
Post by: fmonera on July 09, 2012, 03:11:59 PM
How would ea handle situation if after 1st opened trade margin fell bellow 100% (due to manual trades) and ea still wants to open trades?

Would that 1st trade still close normally as it would if margin remained positive all along?

Free Margin is not taken into account to calculate trade size. Only balance, the lot size according to the base currency and the recent range (in case of atrAdjustedMM).
Title: Re: General talk about Robin VOL
Post by: fmonera on July 09, 2012, 03:14:03 PM
Pepperstone offers PAMM accounts. If I would open one, that would be my first choice.
Title: Re: General talk about Robin VOL
Post by: 3827 on July 09, 2012, 03:18:04 PM
Yes, pls do so asap and pls don't set the investment amount too high.

 :D

Pepperstone offers PAMM accounts. If I would open one, that would be my first choice.
Title: Re: General talk about Robin VOL
Post by: caddyhexe on July 09, 2012, 03:19:31 PM
There are always bad brokers. It probably those who got the PAMM banned in the US (NFA April 2012).

With the right connections/equity a PAMM can be set up with "real" brokers (again the choice is limited for US clients) and get a "raw" interbank spread and low commission.

One other slight problem with PAMMs is "the bridge", this means the trades originate on the MT4 but are executed on a different trading platform. This gives rise to a slight delay in the execution (mostly minimal), but also if the MT4 and the other platform is not "synced" correctly then the two platforms could have a different "cash" balance. There are brokers (e.g. FXCM) who are cutting out this bridge completely to enhance the performance.
Title: Re: Lost internet connection and hardware authentication window came up
Post by: 3827 on July 09, 2012, 03:20:38 PM
I can't agree more!

 >:(

Actually my Internet was not down but the computer showed no connection so I did a reboot and the Internet worked again.  Not sure why this happened it was first time it did this.  But I had to re install software for authentication to work again.

so did it lock onto the open trades then at least ?

i was about to take robin live next week but now i am not so sure. i am running all my stuff in a vps, but how would anybody know that robin is offline, i am sure there is no email warn message or something.
envy just had a similar issue, darn protection, makes the bots so unreliable for the customer, and we are the ones risking our capital. how can you have peace of mind with an issue like this, arg.
Title: Re: Lost internet connection and hardware authentication window came up
Post by: fmonera on July 09, 2012, 03:33:34 PM
I reconnected my testing platform after some hours and everything continued working correctly.

Next test: changing IP.
Title: Re: Features / Settings
Post by: scalise on July 09, 2012, 03:43:21 PM

Hi Fernando,

The Ea reset the balance automatic? after trades of friday the Ea dont reset the Balance...

regards
Title: Re: Lost internet connection and hardware authentication window came up
Post by: fmonera on July 09, 2012, 03:45:02 PM
I stoped the machine, forced the change of the IP and restarted. Everything kept working correctly. Now I will keep it outside internet for a day or so, or directly until it shows the message.

I still was only able to reproduce the problem by moving the licence to the VPS so it wasn't valid on the testing machine anymore, but that is the expected behavior.
Title: Re: Features / Settings
Post by: fmonera on July 09, 2012, 03:45:38 PM

Hi Fernando,

The Ea reset the balance automatic? after trades of friday the Ea dont reset the Balance...

regards

What do you mean? I don't understand you.
Title: Re: Lost internet connection and hardware authentication window came up
Post by: reinerh on July 09, 2012, 03:49:52 PM

jshear sure did a number then.......

since nobody else had that issue yet is also comforting.

i will take it live and just watch it close. my demo sure be working fine.
Title: Re: General talk about Robin VOL
Post by: saico on July 09, 2012, 04:15:58 PM
Hi fmonera,

could you please explain, what exactly means the default risk settings, like for example 1.3% in your 20k Eur account? Does it define the lot size in a way, or is more like a stop parameter?

Much thanks in advance!

saico
Title: Re: General talk about Robin VOL
Post by: fmonera on July 09, 2012, 04:29:59 PM
Hi fmonera,

could you please explain, what exactly means the default risk settings, like for example 1.3% in your 20k Eur account? Does it define the lot size in a way, or is more like a stop parameter?

Much thanks in advance!

saico

With atrAdjustedMM=true , this is the risk you are taking on each trade (approximated, as it trades only at the close of the bar). It first calculates where is the Stop Loss and then adjusts the lot size so that this loss is the % you want to risk.

With atrAdjustedMM=false, the lot size is just proportional to your balance and don't take into account the SL distance.
Title: Re: Lost internet connection and hardware authentication window came up
Post by: jshear on July 09, 2012, 04:33:39 PM
Strange mine was just a internet loss not sure why it can't be reproduced.


Jeff
Title: Re: General talk about Robin VOL
Post by: saico on July 09, 2012, 04:41:09 PM
Hi fmonera,

could you please explain, what exactly means the default risk settings, like for example 1.3% in your 20k Eur account? Does it define the lot size in a way, or is more like a stop parameter?

Much thanks