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Offline nwboater

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Re: LKHedge
« Reply #45 on: June 14, 2014, 11:31:08 PM »

I Agreed< Trusted MAMM, based on returns is the better choice, But also remember the Jeff ( Viper) trades are all the same for the MAMM and signal service and the signal service cost more, whereas Trusted trades different across the board, in fact if I remember correctly,Jeff asked Trusted to come back to Donna, or something to that effect to give signals,


Steve not sure why you say that Trusted MAMM based on returns is a better choice. In looking at the FXBooks at the bottom of Jeff's (Viper) Signature it appears to me the Viper MAMM's are more profitable.  http://www.donnaforex.com/forum/index.php?topic=11711.msg312166#msg312166

Of course this belongs in a Viper or Trusted thread. Sorry Mods.

Cheers,
Rod








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Re: LKHedge
« Reply #46 on: June 15, 2014, 02:37:51 AM »

I Agreed< Trusted MAMM, based on returns is the better choice, But also remember the Jeff ( Viper) trades are all the same for the MAMM and signal service and the signal service cost more, whereas Trusted trades different across the board, in fact if I remember correctly,Jeff asked Trusted to come back to Donna, or something to that effect to give signals,


Steve not sure why you say that Trusted MAMM based on returns is a better choice. In looking at the FXBooks at the bottom of Jeff's (Viper) Signature it appears to me the Viper MAMM's are more profitable.  http://www.donnaforex.com/forum/index.php?topic=11711.msg312166#msg312166

Of course this belongs in a Viper or Trusted thread. Sorry Mods.

Cheers,
Rod



Because it easy to see, and that is why many mention the same fact as they too see it.So I will explain it to you and everyone.

The simple facts are since the start of Trusted MAMM only about 2 month to date at Global the account has made 1,104 pip

The AXI which looks like it started about 2 weeks later is at 920 pips to date


Now looking at  the Viper MAMM at AXI , it has only made about 530 pips, and this is for the same time span since the Trusted MAMM  at AXI  , so about 400 pips less when compared  to  Trusted for the same time frame

http://www.myfxbook.com/members/TrustedFXMGMT/trusted-fx-management-mamm-axi/885429

http://www.myfxbook.com/members/FXViperTrading/fx-viper-mamm-axitrader/928710


The difference is that the Trusted MAMM seems to be using LESS leverage at times, so if both traded on the same leverage Trusted returns would be even greater,

Let's not forget that also the Draw down for Trusted since it uses less leverage is 10.10%

Viper draw down at the same broker and the same time frame is 17.88% almost twice as big.


So to sum it up Trusted with less leverage less draw down is at 18.61%, and Viper with more leverage and more draw down is at 18.65%, now imagine if Trusted ran at the same leverage all the time as Viper, or if Viper came down to the same leverage as Trusted , its crystal clear, and I am very surprise you could not see it.


The same comparison can easily be made with Trusted at Global with 1104 pips in about 2 months vs Viper IC Market with 4 months (2 more months then Trusted) that has only 934 pips, and Trusted draw down at 7.73% vs Viper at 23.99%

Again very surprise you did not spot this, with MAMM just looking at the pip count made tell user who is using higher leverage which in turn leads to higher draw down,

http://www.myfxbook.com/members/TrustedFXMGMT/trusted-fx-management-mamm-global/877122

http://www.myfxbook.com/members/FXViperTrading/fx-viper-mamm-ic-markets/854322


The pip count tells you who is a more active trader. In MAMM accounts its leverage that drive up returns and draw downs, now we can clearly see just by looking at the pip count who uses higher leverage and again who will be subject to larger draw downs.

Your right in belongs in a Trusted or Viper thread but I wanted to make sure I answer your question so everyone could compare apples to apples, when comparing these MAMM


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Re: LKHedge
« Reply #47 on: June 15, 2014, 04:58:13 AM »

I Agreed< Trusted MAMM, based on returns is the better choice, But also remember the Jeff ( Viper) trades are all the same for the MAMM and signal service and the signal service cost more, whereas Trusted trades different across the board, in fact if I remember correctly,Jeff asked Trusted to come back to Donna, or something to that effect to give signals,


Steve not sure why you say that Trusted MAMM based on returns is a better choice. In looking at the FXBooks at the bottom of Jeff's (Viper) Signature it appears to me the Viper MAMM's are more profitable.  http://www.donnaforex.com/forum/index.php?topic=11711.msg312166#msg312166

Of course this belongs in a Viper or Trusted thread. Sorry Mods.

Cheers,
Rod



Because it easy to see, and that is why many mention the same fact as they too see it.So I will explain it to you and everyone.

The simple facts are since the start of Trusted MAMM only about 2 month to date at Global the account has made 1,104 pip

The AXI which looks like it started about 2 weeks later is at 920 pips to date


Now looking at  the Viper MAMM at AXI , it has only made about 530 pips, and this is for the same time span since the Trusted MAMM  at AXI  , so about 400 pips less when compared  to  Trusted for the same time frame

http://www.myfxbook.com/members/TrustedFXMGMT/trusted-fx-management-mamm-axi/885429

http://www.myfxbook.com/members/FXViperTrading/fx-viper-mamm-axitrader/928710


The difference is that the Trusted MAMM seems to be using LESS leverage at times, so if both traded on the same leverage Trusted returns would be even greater,

Let's not forget that also the Draw down for Trusted since it uses less leverage is 10.10%

Viper draw down at the same broker and the same time frame is 17.88% almost twice as big.


So to sum it up Trusted with less leverage less draw down is at 18.61%, and Viper with more leverage and more draw down is at 18.65%, now imagine if Trusted ran at the same leverage all the time as Viper, or if Viper came down to the same leverage as Trusted , its crystal clear, and I am very surprise you could not see it.


The same comparison can easily be made with Trusted at Global with 1104 pips in about 2 months vs Viper IC Market with 4 months (2 more months then Trusted) that has only 934 pips, and Trusted draw down at 7.73% vs Viper at 23.99%

Again very surprise you did not spot this, with MAMM just looking at the pip count made tell user who is using higher leverage which in turn leads to higher draw down,

http://www.myfxbook.com/members/TrustedFXMGMT/trusted-fx-management-mamm-global/877122

http://www.myfxbook.com/members/FXViperTrading/fx-viper-mamm-ic-markets/854322


The pip count tells you who is a more active trader. In MAMM accounts its leverage that drive up returns and draw downs, now we can clearly see just by looking at the pip count who uses higher leverage and again who will be subject to larger draw downs.

Your right in belongs in a Trusted or Viper thread but I wanted to make sure I answer your question so everyone could compare apples to apples, when comparing these MAMM

The leverage is not nearly as significant as the size of trades Viper and Trusted are placing from a risk percentage standpoint. The extra margin requirement from trading 100:1 vs 500:1 will reduce the available margin on the Trusted MAM a little more than the Viper MAM, but it won't make much of a difference unless the accounts are close to a margin call and margin is an issue.

It is obvious that the difference in performance is attributed to their risk management and not the leverage they are using and I am very surprise you could not see it.

« Last Edit: June 15, 2014, 05:03:06 AM by Riptide »

Offline nwboater

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Re: LKHedge
« Reply #48 on: June 15, 2014, 05:03:57 AM »
Thanks Steve for your very detailed comparison of the two traders. BTW I was only referring to the monthly profit figures of the two traders FxBooks in Jeffs signature: not risk adjusted returns or deeper analysis as you have done.

Cheers,
Rod

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Re: LKHedge
« Reply #49 on: July 23, 2014, 05:57:15 AM »
Is anyone still trading with this one as well? It used to have one of the best risk to reward strategies around in a while.

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Re: LKHedge
« Reply #50 on: July 23, 2014, 09:09:26 AM »
Is anyone still trading with this one as well? It used to have one of the best risk to reward strategies around in a while.

Many of us left this pamm already. Not working well, though Loi is a nice person.


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Re: LKHedge
« Reply #51 on: July 23, 2014, 09:34:25 AM »
What were the results of this PAMM?

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Re: LKHedge
« Reply #52 on: July 23, 2014, 09:37:40 AM »
Is private and I do not think there are many people on this pamm anymore. A lot of people left. However, if anyone join early....they still made money. Many investor BE and I made a bit before leaving in Jan/Feb this year.


 

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