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Re: EA Controller
« Reply #60 on: April 01, 2017, 09:02:00 AM »
Hello, i read sometimes the Controller manage the EAs , as sample Wally on the Live side, in a other i read the Controller sends the Trade signals to the Live Account. hmm.
I have to install Wally on the Demo and on the Live Account, or only on the Demo Account????

Only on the demo, together with the EA Controller on the same chart as Wally (repeat if you are running Wally on several currencies).
Then add the FX Blue Trade Copier Sender to any other chart on that demo account.
Place a FX Blue Trade Copier Receiver on any chart on the live account.
Make sure the version of FX Blue Trade Copier that you have is v7.10 or higher. That version has the modification to run with the Controller.
Obviously all the required settings need to be entered as per User Guide

If you run Wally on more than one currency pair then you need a separate copy of the Trade Copier Sender and Receiver for each currency pair. Because each instance of Wally on different currency pairs needs to be controlled/managed individually.

What you read about having to place the EA on both demo and live applies only to when you are using one of the EAs supplied with the Controller, or made with the FX Autotrader Elite. Those EAs can be run in Signal mode which means that you don't have to use the Trade Copier.

Thanks for your answer, i have to know my idear is working or not bevor i Buy. If i have a EA with sample 6 Strategies per pair on 5 Different Charts, this works also??


Regards , Roeckert

It would work in that the Controller can handle up to 10 magics/strategies per pair. Just be aware that you would need five instances of the Trade copier, one for each chart/currency pair. So your VPS would need to have a reasonable amount of grunt (RAM/CPU) to handle those five copiers and the five EAs that you would be running.
Presumably not all five pairs would always be trading at the same time, thus lessening the demand on the VPS resources.

You could also of course run say 3 pairs normally on your live account and then run two with the Controller on the demo, copying to the live account. So only two Trade Copiers.

You would decide which ones by looking at the past performance of the EA on the different pairs to data and see which ones are the more prone to go into DD. Of course the past is no guarantee for the future.... so investing in enough VPS power would be safer.

thanks for Info, the Trade Copier is also in your Sell offer? , sorry for bad english

The FX Blue Trade Copier is available for free from https://www.fxblue.com/appstore/2/mt4-personal-trade-copier

You just need to register, but the download and use is free.

fine, thanks.
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Re: EA Controller
« Reply #61 on: April 01, 2017, 12:54:36 PM »
I setup the EA, EAController, TRade Copier and after some Hours now i drink a Beer, was not easy.  the EA works on different Charts and use at any chart 6 Magicn. I use on different charts the same Magign. is this a proplem for the controller?

Which MA Settings are good for start? 5, 10, ore more?

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Re: EA Controller
« Reply #62 on: April 02, 2017, 01:48:12 AM »
I setup the EA, EAController, TRade Copier and after some Hours now i drink a Beer, was not easy.  the EA works on different Charts and use at any chart 6 Magicn. I use on different charts the same Magign. is this a proplem for the controller?

Which MA Settings are good for start? 5, 10, ore more?

regards

Well done. You certainly deserved that beer - no doubt one of those large 1 litre Gernan jugs!  :)

(In case you ever have to reset all this, it is good practice to save all the relevant SET files from the Controller and Trade Copier in your MQL4 presets folder under subfolders, eg Controller, Trade Copier or whatever. And if you are running on a VPS it also pays to copy and save the whole MQL4 folders from time to time in a Save and Replace folder so that if they have to reinstall or upgrade the server at any time you can ask them to save that Folder and replace after they have done the upgrade. Otherwise all data would be lost.)

The magics entered on the EA Controller are specific to that currency pair. So if the Wally User Guide says that it is OK to use the same magics for different currency pairs then that also applies to the EA Controller.
Make sure however that the Controller ID# and related Copier Channel inputs you have used for each currency pair are currency specific and distinct from one another for each of the Copiers you have set up. So perhaps just have the symbols as part of the ID#/Channel input, eg eurusd, gbpusd etc

I normally start with MA setting of 5 and use SMA. Reason is that an MA cannot be calculated until the the defined number of trades have been completed, in this case 5. So the MA will be a horizontal line until then. You can also decide whether you want to start copying immediately, (trade at start set to true), or whether you want to wait till 5 trades have been completed to see whether copying should be allowed. In the longer run after 30+ trades or so, MA 5 could see too much whipsaw (copier on/off) so I have progressively changed to 10 and now 20 and also selecting SMMA rather than SMA.

When you have had enough trades just test this for yourself (you'll see the chart in the indicator window) and see what you are comfortable with. Just like price action on a chart, balance curves also need some room to breathe. The Controller is there to keep us out of long and deep DDs while tolerating the small DDs/a few losing trades, that will inevitably occur from time to time.


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Re: EA Controller
« Reply #63 on: April 02, 2017, 10:55:31 AM »
So the MA will be a horizontal line until then. You can also decide whether you want to start copying immediately, (trade at start set to true), or whether you want to wait till 5 trades have been completed to see whether copying should be allowed. In the longer run after 30+ trades or so, MA 5 could see too much whipsaw (copier on/off) so I have progressively changed to 10 and now 20 and also selecting SMMA rather than SMA.

Sooo ! A little patience - this is all home written from scratch so it takes time.

I just wrote something to parse/import an exported CSV from myfxbook, mod my indicators to take arbitrary series rather than candlesticks, and apply to the balance chart for the strategy

The next step is to clip the trades from the imported strategy and generate a new trace
At the moment it includes all symbols - in reality the aggregate strategy would be split by symbol and/or magic etc

The indicator used is MA:20:SMMA

So far, http://www.myfxbook.com/members/forexwallstreet/wallstreet-20-evolution-real/1834513 leads to the chart below - does this look ok so far (clipping to be written yet)


It is, as yet, unchecked - am not sure what those jumps back are - possibly because i am using the open date and the CSV i import is probably ordered by close date so it backwardates briefly

I also noticed it loads backwards, starting from 10k - so the start balance is equal to -ve the current balance - oops ! (not important to this though ) The use of open date might also have shifted the SMMA to the left slightly - i noticed on the uptick they track rather too closely
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Re: EA Controller
« Reply #64 on: April 02, 2017, 11:16:04 AM »
Use of Wally in DD across an aggregate of symbols might also be a problem if the DD is caused by a correlated failure on multiple pairs - a lot of the DD might be taken before the balance drops below the MA. I guess processing it will show as the drops are too steep to see clearly from the chart alone.

And i need an option to process the symbols seperately

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Re: EA Controller
« Reply #65 on: April 02, 2017, 11:31:47 AM »
What i am looking for is to see if there is a possibility to "tune" some form of curve (be it an MA or whatever) to a historical backtest (or better still forward performance) in order to accept most "expected" DD dips so that when the unexpected comes along it responds reasonably quickly without clipping out normal DD dips. The SMMA 20 might be a good rule of thumb but it may not be optimal across the board
« Last Edit: April 02, 2017, 01:42:30 PM by ianj »

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Re: EA Controller
« Reply #66 on: April 03, 2017, 02:45:05 AM »
What i am looking for is to see if there is a possibility to "tune" some form of curve (be it an MA or whatever) to a historical backtest (or better still forward performance) in order to accept most "expected" DD dips so that when the unexpected comes along it responds reasonably quickly without clipping out normal DD dips. The SMMA 20 might be a good rule of thumb but it may not be optimal across the board

Yes tuning is important I feel. And will be EA and broker specific. I also think that this tuning should be currency specific. For instance in the myfxbook you shared of Wally, the vast bulk of the action is from GU. See image below. So would be better off doing the controlling and tuning separately for each currency pair. Which is how it works with the EA Controller which in its current version is currency specific.

As I understand Wally, it has six internal scalping strategies operating on the currency pair. So might be worthwhile to examine performance curves of each of these six internal strategies separately. If done with the EA controller, you would run six copies and select one of the six magics for each in the Controller settings. Alternatively one can presumably activate/deactivate any of the six internal strategies on the Wally EA.

As to the tuning instrument. MA is what I am using but one could also use eg a relative DD % to switch off, and then a relative uptrend % to switch back on. (relative to previous high/ low of performance curve).

And although the EA Controller is fully automated, I also believe in lending a helping manual hand from time to time. So for instance if we have had a sharp DD and performance history shows that these sharp DDs are normally followed by fairly speedy recoveries, I might well wind down the Controller EA back to SMA 5 once the DD is under way so that I get back into copying the trades to my live account pretty quickly following the end of the DD.

We need to tune in the Controller to both when to stop copying ("without clipping out normal DD dips") and when to restart copying (without missing out too much on the renewed uptrend in performance)..
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« Reply #67 on: April 03, 2017, 06:31:06 AM »
What i am looking for is to see if there is a possibility to "tune" some form of curve (be it an MA or whatever) to a historical backtest (or better still forward performance) in order to accept most "expected" DD dips so that when the unexpected comes along it responds reasonably quickly without clipping out normal DD dips. The SMMA 20 might be a good rule of thumb but it may not be optimal across the board

Yes tuning is important I feel. And will be EA and broker specific. I also think that this tuning should be currency specific. For instance in the myfxbook you shared of Wally, the vast bulk of the action is from GU. See image below. So would be better off doing the controlling and tuning separately for each currency pair. Which is how it works with the EA Controller which in its current version is currency specific.

As I understand Wally, it has six internal scalping strategies operating on the currency pair. So might be worthwhile to examine performance curves of each of these six internal strategies separately. If done with the EA controller, you would run six copies and select one of the six magics for each in the Controller settings. Alternatively one can presumably activate/deactivate any of the six internal strategies on the Wally EA.

As to the tuning instrument. MA is what I am using but one could also use eg a relative DD % to switch off, and then a relative uptrend % to switch back on. (relative to previous high/ low of performance curve).

And although the EA Controller is fully automated, I also believe in lending a helping manual hand from time to time. So for instance if we have had a sharp DD and performance history shows that these sharp DDs are normally followed by fairly speedy recoveries, I might well wind down the Controller EA back to SMA 5 once the DD is under way so that I get back into copying the trades to my live account pretty quickly following the end of the DD.

We need to tune in the Controller to both when to stop copying ("without clipping out normal DD dips") and when to restart copying (without missing out too much on the renewed uptrend in performance)..

Hmm, as i understand, my EA has 6 Magicn. for 6 Strategys, i need for every Strategy/Magic one Controller? but with same ID for copier?

regards, Roeckert
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Re: EA Controller
« Reply #68 on: April 03, 2017, 06:54:46 AM »
What i am looking for is to see if there is a possibility to "tune" some form of curve (be it an MA or whatever) to a historical backtest (or better still forward performance) in order to accept most "expected" DD dips so that when the unexpected comes along it responds reasonably quickly without clipping out normal DD dips. The SMMA 20 might be a good rule of thumb but it may not be optimal across the board

Yes tuning is important I feel. And will be EA and broker specific. I also think that this tuning should be currency specific. For instance in the myfxbook you shared of Wally, the vast bulk of the action is from GU. See image below. So would be better off doing the controlling and tuning separately for each currency pair. Which is how it works with the EA Controller which in its current version is currency specific.

As I understand Wally, it has six internal scalping strategies operating on the currency pair. So might be worthwhile to examine performance curves of each of these six internal strategies separately. If done with the EA controller, you would run six copies and select one of the six magics for each in the Controller settings. Alternatively one can presumably activate/deactivate any of the six internal strategies on the Wally EA.

As to the tuning instrument. MA is what I am using but one could also use eg a relative DD % to switch off, and then a relative uptrend % to switch back on. (relative to previous high/ low of performance curve).

And although the EA Controller is fully automated, I also believe in lending a helping manual hand from time to time. So for instance if we have had a sharp DD and performance history shows that these sharp DDs are normally followed by fairly speedy recoveries, I might well wind down the Controller EA back to SMA 5 once the DD is under way so that I get back into copying the trades to my live account pretty quickly following the end of the DD.

We need to tune in the Controller to both when to stop copying ("without clipping out normal DD dips") and when to restart copying (without missing out too much on the renewed uptrend in performance)..

Hmm, as i understand, my EA has 6 Magicn. for 6 Strategys, i need for every Strategy/Magic one Controller? but with same ID for copier?

regards, Roeckert

Unfortunately you would also need six copiers if you wanted to do that; and you are already running Wally on 5 pairs? That would make for 30 Copiers!
Maybe test Wally on one pair with separate magics individually and just see whether there is much difference in performance between the six strategies.

Or, if you just run Wally on one pair on demo for a while, without the Controller, and use the FX Blue Publisher EA to analyse the performance by magic number, you will see whether there is much difference between the six strategies. That would guide your future use of the Controller with Wally.
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« Reply #69 on: April 03, 2017, 07:09:31 AM »
What i am looking for is to see if there is a possibility to "tune" some form of curve (be it an MA or whatever) to a historical backtest (or better still forward performance) in order to accept most "expected" DD dips so that when the unexpected comes along it responds reasonably quickly without clipping out normal DD dips. The SMMA 20 might be a good rule of thumb but it may not be optimal across the board

Yes tuning is important I feel. And will be EA and broker specific. I also think that this tuning should be currency specific. For instance in the myfxbook you shared of Wally, the vast bulk of the action is from GU. See image below. So would be better off doing the controlling and tuning separately for each currency pair. Which is how it works with the EA Controller which in its current version is currency specific.

As I understand Wally, it has six internal scalping strategies operating on the currency pair. So might be worthwhile to examine performance curves of each of these six internal strategies separately. If done with the EA controller, you would run six copies and select one of the six magics for each in the Controller settings. Alternatively one can presumably activate/deactivate any of the six internal strategies on the Wally EA.

As to the tuning instrument. MA is what I am using but one could also use eg a relative DD % to switch off, and then a relative uptrend % to switch back on. (relative to previous high/ low of performance curve).

And although the EA Controller is fully automated, I also believe in lending a helping manual hand from time to time. So for instance if we have had a sharp DD and performance history shows that these sharp DDs are normally followed by fairly speedy recoveries, I might well wind down the Controller EA back to SMA 5 once the DD is under way so that I get back into copying the trades to my live account pretty quickly following the end of the DD.

We need to tune in the Controller to both when to stop copying ("without clipping out normal DD dips") and when to restart copying (without missing out too much on the renewed uptrend in performance)..

Hmm, as i understand, my EA has 6 Magicn. for 6 Strategys, i need for every Strategy/Magic one Controller? but with same ID for copier?

regards, Roeckert

Unfortunately you would also need six copiers if you wanted to do that; and you are already running Wally on 5 pairs? That would make for 30 Copiers!
Maybe test Wally on one pair with separate magics individually and just see whether there is much difference in performance between the six strategies.

Or, if you just run Wally on one pair on demo for a while, without the Controller, and use the FX Blue Publisher EA to analyse the performance by magic number, you will see whether there is much difference between the six strategies. That would guide your future use of the Controller with Wally.

Hmm, actual i use not Wally, maybee later, dont know.  I use Forex Real Profit EA.. Now i have all 6 Magic in one Controller, i think i let them run how its run and after some weeks i Analyse how i setup the Controller and which Strategy i use..   Smoke over my Head, but have to think how i manage that. i also run a other Demo with free and Commercial EA and have to Analyze this also , if it is okay, then i add them also as sender2. There are a lot of possibilites, but now i drink a cool Beer, i am some Weeks in Philippines now..
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« Reply #70 on: April 03, 2017, 07:19:58 AM »
What i am looking for is to see if there is a possibility to "tune" some form of curve (be it an MA or whatever) to a historical backtest (or better still forward performance) in order to accept most "expected" DD dips so that when the unexpected comes along it responds reasonably quickly without clipping out normal DD dips. The SMMA 20 might be a good rule of thumb but it may not be optimal across the board

Yes tuning is important I feel. And will be EA and broker specific. I also think that this tuning should be currency specific. For instance in the myfxbook you shared of Wally, the vast bulk of the action is from GU. See image below. So would be better off doing the controlling and tuning separately for each currency pair. Which is how it works with the EA Controller which in its current version is currency specific.

As I understand Wally, it has six internal scalping strategies operating on the currency pair. So might be worthwhile to examine performance curves of each of these six internal strategies separately. If done with the EA controller, you would run six copies and select one of the six magics for each in the Controller settings. Alternatively one can presumably activate/deactivate any of the six internal strategies on the Wally EA.

As to the tuning instrument. MA is what I am using but one could also use eg a relative DD % to switch off, and then a relative uptrend % to switch back on. (relative to previous high/ low of performance curve).

And although the EA Controller is fully automated, I also believe in lending a helping manual hand from time to time. So for instance if we have had a sharp DD and performance history shows that these sharp DDs are normally followed by fairly speedy recoveries, I might well wind down the Controller EA back to SMA 5 once the DD is under way so that I get back into copying the trades to my live account pretty quickly following the end of the DD.

We need to tune in the Controller to both when to stop copying ("without clipping out normal DD dips") and when to restart copying (without missing out too much on the renewed uptrend in performance)..

Hmm, as i understand, my EA has 6 Magicn. for 6 Strategys, i need for every Strategy/Magic one Controller? but with same ID for copier?

regards, Roeckert

Unfortunately you would also need six copiers if you wanted to do that; and you are already running Wally on 5 pairs? That would make for 30 Copiers!
Maybe test Wally on one pair with separate magics individually and just see whether there is much difference in performance between the six strategies.

Or, if you just run Wally on one pair on demo for a while, without the Controller, and use the FX Blue Publisher EA to analyse the performance by magic number, you will see whether there is much difference between the six strategies. That would guide your future use of the Controller with Wally.

Hmm, actual i use not Wally, maybee later, dont know.  I use Forex Real Profit EA.. Now i have all 6 Magic in one Controller, i think i let them run how its run and after some weeks i Analyse how i setup the Controller and which Strategy i use..   Smoke over my Head, but have to think how i manage that. i also run a other Demo with free and Commercial EA and have to Analyze this also , if it is okay, then i add them also as sender2. There are a lot of possibilites, but now i drink a cool Beer, i am some Weeks in Philippines now..
regards Roeckert

I see that Forex real profit EA uses "Working method: The robot uses 6 different strategies, 2 for scalping on Asian session, 2 for scalping on trend all day and 2 breakout strategies, all day also". So after a few beers and weeks in Philippines, maybe do 2 Asian scalping strategies together, 2 scalp on trend together etc.  Just a thought.
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« Reply #71 on: April 03, 2017, 07:24:54 AM »
What i am looking for is to see if there is a possibility to "tune" some form of curve (be it an MA or whatever) to a historical backtest (or better still forward performance) in order to accept most "expected" DD dips so that when the unexpected comes along it responds reasonably quickly without clipping out normal DD dips. The SMMA 20 might be a good rule of thumb but it may not be optimal across the board


Yes tuning is important I feel. And will be EA and broker specific. I also think that this tuning should be currency specific. For instance in the myfxbook you shared of Wally, the vast bulk of the action is from GU. See image below. So would be better off doing the controlling and tuning separately for each currency pair. Which is how it works with the EA Controller which in its current version is currency specific.

As I understand Wally, it has six internal scalping strategies operating on the currency pair. So might be worthwhile to examine performance curves of each of these six internal strategies separately. If done with the EA controller, you would run six copies and select one of the six magics for each in the Controller settings. Alternatively one can presumably activate/deactivate any of the six internal strategies on the Wally EA.

As to the tuning instrument. MA is what I am using but one could also use eg a relative DD % to switch off, and then a relative uptrend % to switch back on. (relative to previous high/ low of performance curve).

And although the EA Controller is fully automated, I also believe in lending a helping manual hand from time to time. So for instance if we have had a sharp DD and performance history shows that these sharp DDs are normally followed by fairly speedy recoveries, I might well wind down the Controller EA back to SMA 5 once the DD is under way so that I get back into copying the trades to my live account pretty quickly following the end of the DD.

We need to tune in the Controller to both when to stop copying ("without clipping out normal DD dips") and when to restart copying (without missing out too much on the renewed uptrend in performance)..

Hmm, as i understand, my EA has 6 Magicn. for 6 Strategys, i need for every Strategy/Magic one Controller? but with same ID for copier?

regards, Roeckert

Unfortunately you would also need six copiers if you wanted to do that; and you are already running Wally on 5 pairs? That would make for 30 Copiers!
Maybe test Wally on one pair with separate magics individually and just see whether there is much difference in performance between the six strategies.

Or, if you just run Wally on one pair on demo for a while, without the Controller, and use the FX Blue Publisher EA to analyse the performance by magic number, you will see whether there is much difference between the six strategies. That would guide your future use of the Controller with Wally.

Hmm, actual i use not Wally, maybee later, dont know.  I use Forex Real Profit EA.. Now i have all 6 Magic in one Controller, i think i let them run how its run and after some weeks i Analyse how i setup the Controller and which Strategy i use..   Smoke over my Head, but have to think how i manage that. i also run a other Demo with free and Commercial EA and have to Analyze this also , if it is okay, then i add them also as sender2. There are a lot of possibilites, but now i drink a cool Beer, i am some Weeks in Philippines now..
regards Roeckert

I see that Forex real profit EA uses "Working method: The robot uses 6 different strategies, 2 for scalping on Asian session, 2 for scalping on trend all day and 2 breakout strategies, all day also". So after a few beers and weeks in Philippines, maybe do 2 Asian scalping strategies together, 2 scalp on trend together etc.  Just a thought.

Thanks , good Idea, if i have some results i post them...

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« Reply #72 on: April 03, 2017, 11:25:06 AM »
I also think that this tuning should be currency specific.
Absolutely - it is just that Rome was not built in a day. That is next

As I understand Wally, it has six internal scalping strategies operating on the currency pair. So might be worthwhile to examine performance curves of each of these six internal strategies separately.

Alternatively one can presumably activate/deactivate any of the six internal strategies on the Wally EA.

I also agree. Unfortunately the current Wally does not expose the sub-strategy it uses either in the comment or magic - so it's a black box. My knowledge of Wally is based on an older "educated" version and most of the useful trading "action" was contained in the first 3 sub strategies (WPR1, WPR2, CCI) Looking at the v5 (not Evolution) that behavior has not changed much other than a little tuning

I often wish they had exposed the sub strategies in the commercial offering but i guess i understand their reluctance to expose themselves to reverse engineering

So the answer is it's a shame, but no we can't

Symbol separation is all we have

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Re: EA Controller
« Reply #73 on: April 03, 2017, 11:39:05 PM »
Hello, tonight my Sender EA open two Trades one already close now, im lucky, in Profit, the proplem is , the trade copier opens 5 Trades!? and a warning popup activate Broker min Lot.
But i actvate this already. Now i activate also use fixed Lotsize.  But why the Copier open 5 trades instead of one??

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« Reply #74 on: April 04, 2017, 06:51:21 AM »
Hello, tonight my Sender EA open two Trades one already close now, im lucky, in Profit, the proplem is , the trade copier opens 5 Trades!? and a warning popup activate Broker min Lot.
But i actvate this already. Now i activate also use fixed Lotsize.  But why the Copier open 5 trades instead of one??

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Hi
Pls have a look at the Copier User Guide, Section 3.4 (incl type of accounts etc, cents vs std and related issues) and Section 5 (problem diagnosis) and checking the Experts log.
Eg
"5.3Trades are opened multiple times
If the same trade is copied more than once on the receiver account then there is only one explanation: you are running more than one instance of the receiver copy of MT4.
Please use the Windows Task Manager to check that you only have the expected number of running copies of MT4 (terminal.exe), making sure to use the "Show processes from all users" option.
On a VPS in particular, it is quite easy to open multiple remote-desktop sessions by accident, and have the same copy of MT4 running in more than one session at once."

Hopefully you will find a resolution there. If you contact FX Blue Support, pls make sure you tell then your are controlling the Copier with the EA Controller as per Section 3.13 of their user Guide.
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