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Re: forex cyborg
« Reply #30 on: January 10, 2018, 07:35:36 AM »
the problem with that is it had a 30-35% drop or something - so that is automatically an EA that wouldn't consider.
Thank you again for your feedback. Yes we had a drop, but never 30-35%
It was 24,91% on FXPIG (15,13% on Darwinex and 11,96% on FinPro)
And as I said, we use a higher risk than the default settings.
ForexGermany use the default settings and he had a drop of 6,31%
If don't see the problem here  :)
Every EA has drawdown phases. More important is that the EA is able to recover + reaching new highs.

FxPIG - Equity Growth July 24 - 36.57%  Equity Growth August 30 - 2.55%. Unless I'm mistaken that's a drop in Equity (loss) of 34.02% in  one month?

No that is relative 24,91% :-)
If you have +1000% on a account and you have a loss about 10% than your account will go down to 900%, right?
In this case you don't have a 100% downdown. You have a 10% drawdown

Have a look at the "Drawdown"-sheet at the myfxbook account:
https://www.myfxbook.com/members/forexcyborg/forex-cyborg-fxpig/2168587

i am also stumped by this, since myfxbook does not show the dd correctly in this case.

account start equity was 2k, then it gained to a high of 2.7k, then it went into dd all the way back down to almost 2k. so 2.7k minus 25% equals about 2k.

so in my book highest dd to date should show 25%

the total gains, are showing correctly at 50% there abouts. so seeing that as yearly results which its not quite still over 4 months to go, gaining 50% on 25% dd is not bad for a yearly result.


Thank you for your feedback.
Yes you are right.

Btw.: Your impule-strategy is really good. I like to watch your results the last weeks/months.
I hope it continue to be successful in 2018

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Re: forex cyborg
« Reply #31 on: January 10, 2018, 02:04:06 PM »
Myfxbook does not always show DD correctly and sometimes just moves for no reason. I have contacted them about this before on my own account and they reset something only to see it strangely move again the next week. You have to pay attention to what you are looking at to be sure. Donna's BS account is not showing correctly for example, it shows just 10% DD but of course it was over 40% and looking like it was going bust at the time.
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« Reply #32 on: January 10, 2018, 02:33:27 PM »
Myfxbook does not always show DD correctly and sometimes just moves for no reason. I have contacted them about this before on my own account and they reset something only to see it strangely move again the next week. You have to pay attention to what you are looking at to be sure. Donna's BS account is not showing correctly for example, it shows just 10% DD but of course it was over 40% and looking like it was going bust at the time.

I find it much more accurate to open the Drawdown tab above the graph in fxbook. For instance on Donna's BS it shows 41% DD instead of the 10.94% DD shown below Monthly.

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Rod

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« Reply #33 on: January 10, 2018, 02:47:32 PM »
Myfxbook does not always show DD correctly and sometimes just moves for no reason. I have contacted them about this before on my own account and they reset something only to see it strangely move again the next week. You have to pay attention to what you are looking at to be sure. Donna's BS account is not showing correctly for example, it shows just 10% DD but of course it was over 40% and looking like it was going bust at the time.

The real drawdowns can be found in the drawdown sheet at myfxbook (here the BS account of donnaforex):

https://www.dropbox.com/s/3rie05u3wg5qxaa/donnaforex_bs.jpg

I got over 20 active accounts at myfxbook and I can commit, that this calculation is correct in all my cases. But you are right: The new calculation on the left side is really confusing and not the real DD.

Here are the real drawdowns for the Forex Cyborg EA at FXPIG and Darwinex:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/a8hnsfolrpajggj/forexcyborg_fxpig.jpg

https://www.dropbox.com/s/idagpbxz9qve9zv/forexcyborg_darwinex.jpg

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« Reply #34 on: January 10, 2018, 02:52:23 PM »
Yes of course, that is also where I look to be sure and should have mentioned that too.
Regards, bnb

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« Reply #35 on: January 10, 2018, 05:36:58 PM »
what is the difference between the EA versions other than the currency pairs traded by each one of them?

Is it possible to upgrade later on by paying the difference?

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« Reply #36 on: January 11, 2018, 03:18:29 PM »
what is the difference between the EA versions other than the currency pairs traded by each one of them?

Is it possible to upgrade later on by paying the difference?

The only difference between the two EA versions are the tradeable pairs. This reflect the amount of trades, and the diversification.

And yes it is possible to upgrade later. Here are our current update prices:

1.) Upgrade small - upgrade by one package (Basic -> Standard, Standard -> Gold, Gold -> Premium): 150
2.) Upgrade medium - upgrade by two packages (Basic -> Gold): 250
3.) Upgrade full - Basic -> Premium: 300


Version v1.1 is available and I will update all live-accounts this weekend.

I will post here later the improvements and the portofolio-charts.


Best regards,
Forex Cyborg Team

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Re: forex cyborg
« Reply #37 on: January 11, 2018, 06:31:42 PM »
Was curious so decided to take a punt, given the 30 day money back guarantee. Will keep everyone posted on my results

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« Reply #38 on: January 11, 2018, 06:58:24 PM »
Was curious so decided to take a punt, given the 30 day money back guarantee. Will keep everyone posted on my results

Thank you for your trust!

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« Reply #39 on: January 12, 2018, 10:09:27 AM »
Version v1.1 is ready for all customers.

The improvements:
- New pair: GBPCHF
- Fine tuning of nearly all pairs
- Improved exit rule for trades that are holding over the weekend and beeing closed on monday.

To show the improvements, I made a portfolio of v1.0 and of v1.1.
For a better comparison I all trades were executed with a fixed lot size of 1.0 (all tests are done with 99% dukascopy tick data, with commission and with variable spreads)

v1.0:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/grzviupjvk9efth/Forex_Cyborg_Portfolio_v1.0.png?dl=0

v1.1:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/dov8q24llj6p7u5/Forex_Cyborg_Portfolio_v1.1.png?dl=0

As you can see, the highest DD is lower, more trades, higher profit factor and overall more profit.


I will update all live account this weekend.

Customers can contact us for the updated version.

For everyone that is interested: We still have a discount until the 15.1.2018 on our website.


I wish everyone a great weekend.

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« Reply #40 on: January 13, 2018, 03:46:32 PM »

 I don't know any asian scalper with a higher expectancy rate + higher average win-rate vs the average loss-rate + is able to trade 15 different pairs + can provide that good backtests.
This one is pretty close at $159.
https://www.myfxbook.com/members/PeregrimEA/evonightea/2252381


Yeah I know EvoNight. This EA is only able to trade 6 pairs and is only optimized for a short period + I made 99% backtests of it. Some pair fail here. And this EA failed very hard before 09/17.
I don't think that it is a stable system on long term, but we will see. :-)



You are not right: EvoNight haven't been optimized for any period ;) If you test since September 2017, you will get only losses too, but at Live - profit. You can test it at another pairs too, but not at tester. Here are trades from Live account for EvoNight since Feb 2017 for recommended 6 pairs:




Yes, and all period at tester only losses :D

Any backtests for Night Scalper have a quality not more 50%. I had a system with amazing backtests, but at real perfomance not so good. Why? Because Dukascopy quotes are not so good for night scalping and ever for scalpers. So we can test this systems only at Live.

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Re: forex cyborg
« Reply #41 on: January 13, 2018, 05:58:09 PM »
Welcome Forexcyborg and good to see a more realistic EA on this forum - can you please confirm how this differs to your fxpig PAMM; which has seen significant drawdown over the past few years (albeit with a decent overall return); and how the neural networks improve the performance longer term without changing the original system..? fxPIG's other PAMM night scalpers have not done so well recently...and can be a bit of a roller coaster ride...how does yours differ?

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« Reply #42 on: January 13, 2018, 07:20:15 PM »

 I don't know any asian scalper with a higher expectancy rate + higher average win-rate vs the average loss-rate + is able to trade 15 different pairs + can provide that good backtests.
This one is pretty close at $159.
https://www.myfxbook.com/members/PeregrimEA/evonightea/2252381


Yeah I know EvoNight. This EA is only able to trade 6 pairs and is only optimized for a short period + I made 99% backtests of it. Some pair fail here. And this EA failed very hard before 09/17.
I don't think that it is a stable system on long term, but we will see. :-)



You are not right: EvoNight haven't been optimized for any period ;) If you test since September 2017, you will get only losses too, but at Live - profit. You can test it at another pairs too, but not at tester. Here are trades from Live account for EvoNight since Feb 2017 for recommended 6 pairs:




Yes, and all period at tester only losses :D

Any backtests for Night Scalper have a quality not more 50%. I had a system with amazing backtests, but at real perfomance not so good. Why? Because Dukascopy quotes are not so good for night scalping and ever for scalpers. So we can test this systems only at Live.

I would ask myself the question why it differ so strong.
I know that (especially) asian tick scalper will always produce different results from broker to broker (as you can see in my 5 live accounts), but they are equal over all... Equal to backtests too. As you can see in the backtest the august was a negative month too.
But if I get negative results on backtests and only good results on the forward tests, than I would first dig deeper to find the difference / reason.
I think a good EA should be able to give good backtests and forward results. But that could be a philosophy question only if backtests are important or not...
As a investor I would ask myself: Is this EA only profitable at specific brokers? Are the spreads of Dukascopy too high for it? Is it flexible enough for my broker too?

But maybe I'm wrong... Let us see how both EA perform in the next 12 months. Both live results are too young in my opinion.
But I really wish you only the best. Please don't get me wrong. I know your other products and I think you are a great developer.
I hope you will be successful in 2018 too :-)

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« Reply #43 on: January 13, 2018, 07:35:09 PM »
Welcome Forexcyborg and good to see a more realistic EA on this forum - can you please confirm how this differs to your fxpig PAMM; which has seen significant drawdown over the past few years (albeit with a decent overall return); and how the neural networks improve the performance longer term without changing the original system..? fxPIG's other PAMM night scalpers have not done so well recently...and can be a bit of a roller coaster ride...how does yours differ?

Forex Cyborg use a complete different logic. The PAMM account is a mixed style (automatic + manual). The biggest drops (+ many good days) are results of manual intervention.
The most trades on the PAMM account are opened directly after the rollover time and mostly only for the first 30-50 minutes. Closing by TP or by time.
Forex Cyborg has a fixed TP and SL, but it will only very rarly hit one of those. Every trade has a fixed risk. The lot size is calculated by the SL that differ from pair to pair. The exit points are based on a point system of 5 different factors. Forex Cyborg trade bigger movements + had a much higher expectancy (in my view one of the most important statistics especially for asian scalpers) and is not too broker sensitive because the most trades are opened a good time before asian session starts, when the spreads are usually still good (the first trades could happen at 18:30 GMT). It trades not too often / not too small movements and is not a usual "BB"-indicator only asian scalper. To get the best entry, it use price action analysis too. That is the reason why you will see the some differences between the brokers...

Over all it is just a complete different development that will appear as a new PAMM account maybe in the future ;-)
« Last Edit: January 13, 2018, 07:38:24 PM by ForexCyborg »

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« Reply #44 on: January 14, 2018, 12:26:24 AM »
I would ask myself the question why it differ so strong.
I know that (especially) asian tick scalper will always produce different results from broker to broker (as you can see in my 5 live accounts), but they are equal over all... Equal to backtests too. As you can see in the backtest the august was a negative month too.
But if I get negative results on backtests and only good results on the forward tests, than I would first dig deeper to find the difference / reason.
I think a good EA should be able to give good backtests and forward results. But that could be a philosophy question only if backtests are important or not...
As a investor I would ask myself: Is this EA only profitable at specific brokers? Are the spreads of Dukascopy too high for it? Is it flexible enough for my broker too?

But maybe I'm wrong... Let us see how both EA perform in the next 12 months. Both live results are too young in my opinion.
But I really wish you only the best. Please don't get me wrong. I know your other products and I think you are a great developer.
I hope you will be successful in 2018 too :-)

You are absolutelly not right:

  • I have my forward at IC Markets and Tickmill - they are good;
    Users have a good results with the Pepperstone and Alpari - they are good;

Only a Dukascopy tests results are very bad. Yes, some trades at different brokers are different - but not critical (90% correlation by brokers).  If you will have a good results by Dukascopy backtests, it isn't a guarantee, that a forward will be good too. Maybe do you know free Asia scalper Generic? Perfect backtests, we had optimized a lot of sets with the TDS2 (also with the slippage, etc) - but at live results are poor.

Why? There are a lot of reasons. A lot of brokers will not give work for Asia scalpers, Dukascopy one of them. So if you are going to use this king of scalpers, you have to choise broker, which will give you to work.

I am creating Asia scalpers for some years and have a big experience with the testing, optimization and etc. Main is a forward. And EvoNight have a good perfomance at Live accounts at different brokers.

TDS2 and Dukascopy - are not a panacea, since the results are approximate for most scalpers - not only Asia. For mid-term and long-term systems, the results are most accurate. There are no sense to trust for scalpers results at TDS2, since even depending on the version of TDS2 the results are different for the same settings and the same versions of EA! Really for scalpers TDS2 is tossing a coin with the hope of luck.

Also for EvoNight most of losses during News (FOMC, NZD and etc), when trading at Live are blocked.

P.S. I have a lot of tester graals (longterm with the high expectency, which are independed from brokers execution), but at real market conditions they are not working.

 

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