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Offline ivanvp

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Re: Apogeum Price Action (via MQL5.com)
« Reply #15 on: December 26, 2017, 03:31:07 PM »
Do you have any myfxbook link with longer trackrecord? Youre signals all only a couple of weeks old. Surely an EA for 750usd should have some longer live trackrecord no? Or am i missing something?

No, this EA was publiced at November. Now i have a full correlation with the backtests. For system with the high Expectency not a very important monitoring, as for scalpers - main is a correlation.

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Re: Apogeum Price Action (via MQL5.com)
« Reply #16 on: December 26, 2017, 04:28:40 PM »
Do you have any myfxbook link with longer trackrecord? Youre signals all only a couple of weeks old. Surely an EA for 750usd should have some longer live trackrecord no? Or am i missing something?

No, this EA was publiced at November. Now i have a full correlation with the backtests. For system with the high Expectency not a very important monitoring, as for scalpers - main is a correlation.
Whatever you said makes no sense. The previous request was valid, you have no track record and request a lot of money. Most of us over here are cautious because we own most of the lousy ea's that have dwindled our accounts. I get it that you don't want your product going out in large numbers, well maybe I don't get it. But at $750 you better have more than a few weeks if you want sales. I personally wouldn't even set up a sales page without six months and a myfxbook.com account, that it just expected by cautious customers. I won't be purchasing anytime soon because of the above.
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Re: Apogeum Price Action (via MQL5.com)
« Reply #17 on: December 26, 2017, 04:30:47 PM »
why is there a gmt input ?? with a pa action strategy this does not make sense to me.

also what determines its entries ? indicators. or more precisely how well does backtest match to forward results ivan ??

entering on open bar should match well, but as experience has shown data feeds differ between brokers.

also anybody backtesting this, note the wicked lot sizing = risk, very interesting.

by default it runs all pairs, but one can select them individually.

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Re: Apogeum Price Action (via MQL5.com)
« Reply #18 on: December 26, 2017, 04:36:36 PM »
Do you have any myfxbook link with longer trackrecord? Youre signals all only a couple of weeks old. Surely an EA for 750usd should have some longer live trackrecord no? Or am i missing something?

No, this EA was publiced at November. Now i have a full correlation with the backtests. For system with the high Expectency not a very important monitoring, as for scalpers - main is a correlation.
Whatever you said makes no sense. The previous request was valid, you have no track record and request a lot of money. Most of us over here are cautious because we own most of the lousy ea's that have dwindled our accounts. I get it that you don't want your product going out in large numbers, well maybe I don't get it. But at $750 you better have more than a few weeks if you want sales. I personally wouldn't even set up a sales page without six months and a myfxbook.com account, that it just expected by cautious customers. I won't be purchasing anytime soon because of the above.

i agree, so far forward it might have just had a lucky streak, and too many other ea have failed in the years past. and $750 is mighty expensive for an experiment.

from the bt i ran it looks decent, but bt can be questionable as we all learnt over the years.

also no inputs can be changed, so it cant be tailored to a specific brokers data feed.

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Re: Apogeum Price Action (via MQL5.com)
« Reply #19 on: December 26, 2017, 06:10:09 PM »
Do you have any myfxbook link with longer trackrecord? Youre signals all only a couple of weeks old. Surely an EA for 750usd should have some longer live trackrecord no? Or am i missing something?

No, this EA was publiced at November. Now i have a full correlation with the backtests. For system with the high Expectency not a very important monitoring, as for scalpers - main is a correlation.
Whatever you said makes no sense. The previous request was valid, you have no track record and request a lot of money. Most of us over here are cautious because we own most of the lousy ea's that have dwindled our accounts. I get it that you don't want your product going out in large numbers, well maybe I don't get it. But at $750 you better have more than a few weeks if you want sales. I personally wouldn't even set up a sales page without six months and a myfxbook.com account, that it just expected by cautious customers. I won't be purchasing anytime soon because of the above.

You are right - you have to be careffuly with your money, because, really, most of EA's are not adapted for real market. But I sure Apogeum will be profitable at the future, so I have started sells and myfxbook account from a start. Why? Because a lot of authors show a history of EA for 6 month, 1 year or over, but at real it's a history of another systems. I know some EA's from a mql5 top (topics of this ea's are available at donnaforex) and people  believe it, but later they have only losses.

For me it is not a problem, if users will be just monitoring EA and correlation between live execution and backtests - just add a system to a Watched at myfxbook :)

why is there a gmt input ?? with a pa action strategy this does not make sense to me.

also what determines its entries ? indicators. or more precisely how well does backtest match to forward results ivan ??

entering on open bar should match well, but as experience has shown data feeds differ between brokers.

also anybody backtesting this, note the wicked lot sizing = risk, very interesting.

by default it runs all pairs, but one can select them individually.

All pairs are trading at the different times: for example, EURAUD trading best of all at AUD and EUR sessions - own for pairs and most trend at this  time. Later just corrections and etc. After New York opening - USD time and most trend for USDX - not for croses and etc. GBP pairs trading best of all during London sessions. It have a sense.

I have analyzed a lot of systems and they have a same mistake: they are trading 24x7 all days and there are a lot of losses.

To test EA with the dynamical lotsize and without reinvest use:

- Start balance: 1 000 000
- Risk Level: 0.01

System fully based at volatility. Stop Losses are dynamic for each order and lotsize are based at a size of SL, so it's wrong to test fix lot. For example: 1 order can have 100 pips SL, another one - 20 pips SL.

 

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Re: Apogeum Price Action (via MQL5.com)
« Reply #20 on: December 26, 2017, 07:35:09 PM »
All pairs are trading at the different times: for example, EURAUD trading best of all at AUD and EUR sessions - own for pairs and most trend at this  time. Later just corrections and etc. After New York opening - USD time and most trend for USDX - not for croses and etc. GBP pairs trading best of all during London sessions. It have a sense.

I have analyzed a lot of systems and they have a same mistake: they are trading 24x7 all days and there are a lot of losses.

To test EA with the dynamical lotsize and without reinvest use:

- Start balance: 1 000 000
- Risk Level: 0.01

System fully based at volatility. Stop Losses are dynamic for each order and lotsize are based at a size of SL, so it's wrong to test fix lot. For example: 1 order can have 100 pips SL, another one - 20 pips SL.

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ah ok, you used best trading times = liquid markets. that makes sense for a pa based system. sometimes a breakout can occur outside the regular times, but not very often of course.

and yes your mm lot sizing is interesting = very well done. from what i see it requires about a 5k account or so at least to properly size the trades, looking at euraud which i did most of the bt.


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Re: Apogeum Price Action (via MQL5.com)
« Reply #21 on: December 26, 2017, 09:31:30 PM »
I looked at 2 products

1. had an average holding period of 5 days that showed decent profit
2. the other had average holding period or 13 hours and it just barely showed a profit

also the number of trades is way too low to form a real opinion .. needs 6 months of results to really tell to be honest.

Looking at the EUR Price Action one - it has done 506 trades over 12 years - no wonder PF is high and expectancy

you know SFE Price Action and Mom H1 are really same sort of EA -- this one is very fitted to every move by the looks of it  -- nice to have but not a must buy.
« Last Edit: December 26, 2017, 10:10:41 PM by donbon2 »
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Re: Apogeum Price Action (via MQL5.com)
« Reply #22 on: December 26, 2017, 10:21:11 PM »
the other thing that is weird on the test account

all the trades are 0.01 0.02 0.01 then you have 2 winning trades of 0.10 opened within a hour and basically that is all the profit in the account.

I think I just stick to the previous statement - it probably is ok - but if you own sfe or m h1 or the others - you don't need this.
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Re: Apogeum Price Action (via MQL5.com)
« Reply #23 on: December 26, 2017, 10:28:00 PM »
if I look at M H1 - shorter trading history but in EUR it has done 122 trades in 12 months - so it is trading alot more than this one.

PF 1.82 expectancy 18.4 pips for M1 EUR
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Re: Apogeum Price Action (via MQL5.com)
« Reply #24 on: December 27, 2017, 12:35:03 AM »
if I look at M H1 - shorter trading history but in EUR it has done 122 trades in 12 months - so it is trading alot more than this one.

PF 1.82 expectancy 18.4 pips for M1 EUR

The number of trades - isn't important, because you have understand, that 80% of time market in flat. System can have more  trades, but their quality will be not lowest, then now. We can make 1000500 trades, but is it have sense? No. All filters in system just for reduce unprofitable trades and fake signals.

Momentum is it good, but we have a one year of stagnation +- some precents. Yeach year we have just some trend moves and Apogeum get them. We cannot get at profit in flat. We don't have a trades during a flat, when another system have a losses.

Of course, you can use another systems, but number of trades it isn't a quality of them...

P.S. just test all sets for all pairs for SFE and Momentum since 2000 and you will understand  everything...

Apogeum have a very high qualuty of entries!, because it isn't just impulse strategy
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Re: Apogeum Price Action (via MQL5.com)
« Reply #25 on: December 27, 2017, 02:23:41 AM »
Ivan,

you are just proving my point but not really understanding why.

all 3 systems make just about the exact same amount of money per year -- why .... they trade alot more and you trade alot less... their stats will always be lower than yours for that reason.

the main problem you have is you have taken a very small sample and built your strategy on it - when it goes into the market for a longer time the stats will adjust and your system may not be able to handle the market in the same way the other 2 can - because those losing trades for them may become winners and your winning trades now become losing trades... as the market patterns change.

of course we can only tell over real world testing and probably 6 months of live account data.

My opinion is there is no reason to purchase this if you own the others - as they may ultimately be alot safer.
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Re: Apogeum Price Action (via MQL5.com)
« Reply #26 on: December 27, 2017, 10:00:52 AM »
Momentum and SFE had good results on live accounts in MQL5 signals. Let's see if Apogeum will have better results in 2018

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Re: Apogeum Price Action (via MQL5.com)
« Reply #27 on: December 27, 2017, 10:29:49 AM »
Ivan,

you are just proving my point but not really understanding why.

all 3 systems make just about the exact same amount of money per year -- why .... they trade alot more and you trade alot less... their stats will always be lower than yours for that reason.

the main problem you have is you have taken a very small sample and built your strategy on it - when it goes into the market for a longer time the stats will adjust and your system may not be able to handle the market in the same way the other 2 can - because those losing trades for them may become winners and your winning trades now become losing trades... as the market patterns change.

of course we can only tell over real world testing and probably 6 months of live account data.

My opinion is there is no reason to purchase this if you own the others - as they may ultimately be alot safer.

Answer very easy: open your charts. Market at flat. We have a stable trend for each pair 2-4 times per year and another time - flat. MomentumEA are trading each move. Why? Better ask a question for their authors, but open their monitoring - only losses.

Number of trades cannot be guarantee of profit. Apogeum, first of all, have a very high quality entries and don't trade each market move. You can continue use Momentum, SFE, but you will not get a profit in future - they have a very low ProfitFactor, RR and expectency at longterm.

Momentum and SFE had good results on live accounts in MQL5 signals. Let's see if Apogeum will have better results in 2018

Good results have only SFE and only at June-July. Momentum have only losses for a year. Why? I will not answer hear - some users know it... Just find PA Trade...

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Re: Apogeum Price Action (via MQL5.com)
« Reply #28 on: December 27, 2017, 10:41:22 AM »
I'll say it one more time -- of course your numbers are better - you are trading only 20-30% of the number of trades they are taking -- they can never match your numbers.

The question is can your limited strategy survive market changes ... they provide more diversity of trades than you do - so ultimately yours has more risk.

Despite all that the target yearly profit is almost the same .. so lets see in 6 months and then 12 months who wins.

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Re: Apogeum Price Action (via MQL5.com)
« Reply #29 on: December 27, 2017, 10:47:11 AM »
I'll say it one more time -- of course your numbers are better - you are trading only 20-30% of the number of trades they are taking -- they can never match your numbers.

The question is can your limited strategy survive market changes ... they provide more diversity of trades than you do - so ultimately yours has more risk.

Despite all that the target yearly profit is almost the same .. so lets see in 6 months and then 12 months who wins.

Strategy isn't a limited. SFE and Momentum open trades any impulse - differents in control of orders (fixation of profit, sl and etc). Apogeum have an aditional filters, because impulse strategy cannot be stable in longterm. Impulse as a main signal? It's dangerous. I use impulse as a one of signals.

You can compare results for last 2 month: Apogeum have a small profit - 2.67% at monitoring. SFE and Momentum losses - it's an answer about number of trades. 

 

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