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Re: Apogeum Price Action (via MQL5.com)
« Reply #60 on: April 01, 2018, 06:28:01 PM »
How long did your longest-living EA last live?

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Re: Apogeum Price Action (via MQL5.com)
« Reply #61 on: April 01, 2018, 06:52:29 PM »
How long did your longest-living EA last live?

Sorry, what do you mean?  Forward?

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Re: Apogeum Price Action (via MQL5.com)
« Reply #62 on: April 01, 2018, 07:59:11 PM »
Sadly, backtests (however marvelous) never made me rich.

Yes, but without backtests we cannot do anything.
With or without them - it's all curve fitting. There's just no way to predict a mathematically random process like Forex. EA vendors know it very well - that's why they sell instead of trading.

Patterns are often repeated. The essence of EA's is to track repetitive patterns and adapt them to market realities. I do not believe that a system working 10-15 years in a market chaos will suddenly stop working.

Never seen an EA lasting live for so long.

I mean backtests. Really only lasr few years vendors have enought instuments to create quality EA: powerfull servers for optimizations, history data for longterm, etc.

that is true, the computing power has improved by a huge factor recently leading to good ea strategies coming online.

i see more and more good ea all over.

i think your apogeum will have its day in the sun eventually, but sure not so far forward to justify the high price. just to make back the cost of the ea could take years for most people, if ever. thats by looking at current forward accounts i can find.

so it will still take time to get confidence in your offerings from interested people.

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Re: Apogeum Price Action (via MQL5.com)
« Reply #63 on: April 01, 2018, 08:11:35 PM »
How long did your longest-living EA last live?

Sorry, what do you mean?  Forward?
Yes, I mean a live (real-money) forward test.

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Re: Apogeum Price Action (via MQL5.com)
« Reply #64 on: April 01, 2018, 09:58:00 PM »
How long did your longest-living EA last live?

Sorry, what do you mean?  Forward?
Yes, I mean a live (real-money) forward test.

I had some accounts:

- First (pre-published) was closed with the +16% of profit at October / November;
- Second, Darwinex, have been moved to Apogeum Conservative;
- Third accound was for version 3.0 and this week it will replaced by new for Apogeum Price Action 4.0, because system have been changed fully.

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Re: Apogeum Price Action (via MQL5.com)
« Reply #65 on: April 01, 2018, 11:35:46 PM »
pips buster you should change your name to ball baster man lol. If you don'think any EA has a fighting chance, you should mozy on over to the manual trading forum lol. It will be easy on yourself and the vendors.

Lets cut these guys some slack. Of course there are no gaurnatees. and of course its daym hard (we all acknowledge that). But we are all trying here to find an edge (and thats all that is needed really - we don't need a holy grail to make money).

I agree with reinerh ivan that your price is a bit steep for something so new, until it has some more live record. Any chance you would reduce it for a while so we can test live? Then increase it once we have some live performance under belt on teh new version? Im sure many of us here woudl be interested if you did offer something like this. Maybe even something to Donna members only?

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Re: Apogeum Price Action (via MQL5.com)
« Reply #66 on: April 02, 2018, 07:50:55 AM »
This bonus offer seems to be the same in mlq market.
I also want to buy. Any more special bonus to member here ?
@ivanvp: I am considering to buy the EA. I will put the rocket account to rest and try it with something more sustainable  :-[
I was just wondering if there is any Christmas or other special offers that are valid right now.

Hi, now is available Christmas Promo: Buy Apogeum Price Action and get one of my scalpers for free! After purchasing just write me to PMand I will make a copy of a free EA :)

What's the difference between Apogeum price action and Apogeum conservative?

Hi, Apogeum Price Action - it's a full version. Now it's supporting 8 pairs, but some later - 9 (USDCHF is ready and I will add it at version 2.3). Apogeum Conservative have only 3 pairs.

Hi, unfortunately I cannot propose something more now, because I cannot separate market buyers from another. At market a lot of users, which have bought all my EA's without discounts and promos, so if I propose more bonuses it will be not honest for them.

Maximum I can give 2 EA's as a bonuses. Any you choise + PeregrimEA.

The continuing discussion caused me to look at the start of this thread and hence the issue of pricing of EAs came up as per quote above. Back in 2011 I could buy the MDP EA for $67 and I made $60K profit with it in 3 months. These days EAs seem to sell for $500 and up and I am not sure why the prices are so high. But that is a decision for each vendor.

What I really wanted to float is a pricing model (not just for Apogeum but all EAs) whereby one could rent an EA for 12 months (so as to be able to properly test it) for say 50% of the full price; and then at the end of that period, be able to buy the lifetime licence for the remaining 50% of the price. Or decide that the EA is not suitable and be thankful that he has had the opportunity to test it for a full year at only half price.
Or if rented on a monthly, basis have the payment for that count towards a final purchase at some time in the future.

That would seem a fair outcome for both vendor and client. And one that existing clients should not have a problem with.

(30 day money back guarantees are useless in my view since that is far too short a period for proper testing; and is also an unwanted  cost to the vendor who still has to pay the payment processor for a transaction fee.)
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Re: Apogeum Price Action (via MQL5.com)
« Reply #67 on: April 02, 2018, 10:42:11 AM »
Vendors know it very well their bots won't last - that's why they demand full payment.

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Re: Apogeum Price Action (via MQL5.com)
« Reply #68 on: April 02, 2018, 11:48:23 AM »
Vendors know it very well their bots won't last - that's why they demand full payment.

Look at Mql5, where a lot of scalpers without monitorings are costing over 1000. Some of them 2000 and people buy it. System which never will be profitable at Live, but vendors showing Open Prices tests and people believe. When another systems cost 2000, very difficult to be at top, so the prices for EAs now are to high.

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Re: Apogeum Price Action (via MQL5.com)
« Reply #69 on: April 02, 2018, 11:54:01 AM »
Vendors know it very well their bots won't last - that's why they demand full payment.

Look at Mql5, where a lot of scalpers without monitorings are costing over 1000. Some of them 2000 and people buy it. System which never will be profitable at Live, but vendors showing Open Prices tests and people believe. When another systems cost 2000, very difficult to be at top, so the prices for EAs now are to high.

Unless and until I see a compelling live track record over at least a year on a sizable deposit, I won't purchase any EA, including yours. Those who bought from you three months ago are now out of as much as $750 and down on their trading account balances.

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Re: Apogeum Price Action (via MQL5.com)
« Reply #70 on: April 02, 2018, 12:26:48 PM »
This bonus offer seems to be the same in mlq market.
I also want to buy. Any more special bonus to member here ?
@ivanvp: I am considering to buy the EA. I will put the rocket account to rest and try it with something more sustainable  :-[
I was just wondering if there is any Christmas or other special offers that are valid right now.

Hi, now is available Christmas Promo: Buy Apogeum Price Action and get one of my scalpers for free! After purchasing just write me to PMand I will make a copy of a free EA :)

What's the difference between Apogeum price action and Apogeum conservative?

Hi, Apogeum Price Action - it's a full version. Now it's supporting 8 pairs, but some later - 9 (USDCHF is ready and I will add it at version 2.3). Apogeum Conservative have only 3 pairs.

Hi, unfortunately I cannot propose something more now, because I cannot separate market buyers from another. At market a lot of users, which have bought all my EA's without discounts and promos, so if I propose more bonuses it will be not honest for them.

Maximum I can give 2 EA's as a bonuses. Any you choise + PeregrimEA.

The continuing discussion caused me to look at the start of this thread and hence the issue of pricing of EAs came up as per quote above. Back in 2011 I could buy the MDP EA for $67 and I made $60K profit with it in 3 months. These days EAs seem to sell for $500 and up and I am not sure why the prices are so high. But that is a decision for each vendor.

What I really wanted to float is a pricing model (not just for Apogeum but all EAs) whereby one could rent an EA for 12 months (so as to be able to properly test it) for say 50% of the full price; and then at the end of that period, be able to buy the lifetime licence for the remaining 50% of the price. Or decide that the EA is not suitable and be thankful that he has had the opportunity to test it for a full year at only half price.
Or if rented on a monthly, basis have the payment for that count towards a final purchase at some time in the future.

That would seem a fair outcome for both vendor and client. And one that existing clients should not have a problem with.

(30 day money back guarantees are useless in my view since that is far too short a period for proper testing; and is also an unwanted  cost to the vendor who still has to pay the payment processor for a transaction fee.)

According your advise, I have maken a lowest renting price.

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Re: Apogeum Price Action (via MQL5.com)
« Reply #71 on: April 02, 2018, 01:14:46 PM »
This bonus offer seems to be the same in mlq market.
I also want to buy. Any more special bonus to member here ?
@ivanvp: I am considering to buy the EA. I will put the rocket account to rest and try it with something more sustainable  :-[
I was just wondering if there is any Christmas or other special offers that are valid right now.

Hi, now is available Christmas Promo: Buy Apogeum Price Action and get one of my scalpers for free! After purchasing just write me to PMand I will make a copy of a free EA :)

What's the difference between Apogeum price action and Apogeum conservative?

Hi, Apogeum Price Action - it's a full version. Now it's supporting 8 pairs, but some later - 9 (USDCHF is ready and I will add it at version 2.3). Apogeum Conservative have only 3 pairs.

Hi, unfortunately I cannot propose something more now, because I cannot separate market buyers from another. At market a lot of users, which have bought all my EA's without discounts and promos, so if I propose more bonuses it will be not honest for them.

Maximum I can give 2 EA's as a bonuses. Any you choise + PeregrimEA.

The continuing discussion caused me to look at the start of this thread and hence the issue of pricing of EAs came up as per quote above. Back in 2011 I could buy the MDP EA for $67 and I made $60K profit with it in 3 months. These days EAs seem to sell for $500 and up and I am not sure why the prices are so high. But that is a decision for each vendor.

What I really wanted to float is a pricing model (not just for Apogeum but all EAs) whereby one could rent an EA for 12 months (so as to be able to properly test it) for say 50% of the full price; and then at the end of that period, be able to buy the lifetime licence for the remaining 50% of the price. Or decide that the EA is not suitable and be thankful that he has had the opportunity to test it for a full year at only half price.
Or if rented on a monthly, basis have the payment for that count towards a final purchase at some time in the future.

That would seem a fair outcome for both vendor and client. And one that existing clients should not have a problem with.

(30 day money back guarantees are useless in my view since that is far too short a period for proper testing; and is also an unwanted  cost to the vendor who still has to pay the payment processor for a transaction fee.)

According your advise, I have maken a lowest renting price.

I think he means you charge too much for non-performing EAs.

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Re: Apogeum Price Action (via MQL5.com)
« Reply #72 on: April 02, 2018, 02:17:53 PM »
Vendors know it very well their bots won't last - that's why they demand full payment.

Look at Mql5, where a lot of scalpers without monitorings are costing over 1000. Some of them 2000 and people buy it. System which never will be profitable at Live, but vendors showing Open Prices tests and people believe. When another systems cost 2000, very difficult to be at top, so the prices for EAs now are to high.

ivan,

only a complete fool would buy an ea for $2000 with no forward assurances, i mean somebody who has not a single brain cell in his head.

there is plenty of decent or very good strategies to be found for less then $200 which are profitable.

also you need to put yourself in the shoes of the buyer, how long does it take to recoup the investment ??

and or if there is no profit, then it was a complete waste of investment.

all that being said i think your longer term ea are quite good no question.

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Re: Apogeum Price Action (via MQL5.com)
« Reply #73 on: April 02, 2018, 02:38:17 PM »
Apogeum Conservative 2.0

Dear friends, I want to Present you Apogeum Conservative 2.0. Now Apogeum Conservative 2.0 and Apogeum Price Action are separate systems with the different strategy! As you can see, a new version not limited by number of pairs and Time Frames - all pairs are available!

Now is a Special Price for Apogeum Conservative 2.0 - $390!



Here are all backtests:

Apogeum Conservative 2.0 Backtests (Dukascopy Variable Spread 99,9% quality)

Guess this isn't marketing either right?

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Re: Apogeum Price Action (via MQL5.com)
« Reply #74 on: April 02, 2018, 03:02:56 PM »
Apogeum Conservative 2.0

Dear friends, I want to Present you Apogeum Conservative 2.0. Now Apogeum Conservative 2.0 and Apogeum Price Action are separate systems with the different strategy! As you can see, a new version not limited by number of pairs and Time Frames - all pairs are available!

Now is a Special Price for Apogeum Conservative 2.0 - $390!



Here are all backtests:

Apogeum Conservative 2.0 Backtests (Dukascopy Variable Spread 99,9% quality)

Guess this isn't marketing either right?

Are you moderatore? Do you mean a promo? It was 3 month ago and moderators haven't seen a problems.

Or it's marketing to public monitoring, backtests, portfolios?

 

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