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Offline ZHU DAN WEN

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trade copier with 4xsolution(Sanson Capital)
« on: March 14, 2012, 02:03:21 PM »
  one of my friends also starts a trade copier service.
http://www.myfxbook.com/members/SansonCapital/sanson-capital-standard/265930

the account is new,because he wants people to see his performance from the beginning.and the  account is fxcm demo account,because he is trading on dukascopy,and fxcm's spread is usually worse than other brokers.but all the trades on this demo account are the same with his trades on dukascopy.

the 4xsolution will start his business after 2 weeks because they want to see his performance first.
after 2 weeks, when the copier starts, there will be another 2 weeks free trial for subscribers.
   he told me his method is :Price Action+Crowd Behavior+Volume.
    System is 10% important / risk control is 20% important / Emotional control and trader psychology is 70% important.
he will have 2-10 trades per day and he is not addicted with trades.
    So,please watch his performance on myfxbook for 2 weeks, and you will have another 2 weeks free trial when the copier starts if you are interested in his trading style.
  this is his trading performance,it is not verified now,but time will tell.
   2009            2010           2011                  2012
Jan             10.21%          7.10%          9.47%
Feb              1.45%          7.63%          13.84%
Mar              6.24%          9.40%   
Apr             -2.46%         14.98%   
May             4.74%           8.32%   
Jun              2.66%          -1.02%   
Jul             10.21%           9.82%   
Aug   4.22%   -3.96%           8.35%   
Sep   -8.02%   13.87%          -4.05%   
Oct   4.40%   9.77%          7.32%   
Nov   8.58%   17.10%           2.89%   
Dec   -2.33%   -2.34%            5.32%   

if you have any questions,you can ask me, my friend is very busy, he doesn't have time to answer questions here .
Regards. :)


important:the first webinar will start on  March 25th at 18:00 GMT,here is the link: http://www.anymeeting.com/sansoncapital1. if you want to enter the room then,please send an email to : sansoncapital@gmail.com.he will send an invitation to remind you then.
thank you:)

contact:
email: sansoncapital@gmail.com
skype: sansoncapital
« Last Edit: March 25, 2012, 06:11:57 PM by ZHU DAN WEN »

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Re: another trade copier with 4xsolution
« Reply #1 on: March 14, 2012, 02:57:47 PM »
I have to admit to being wary of signal providers with no verified history, but let's see how this goes. At least there is a 2 week free trial.

Btw, it would be good if you can see his account first-hand and vouch for the figures provided (2009-2012).

Can you rename the thread title to something more descriptive (Sansor Capital)?

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Re: trade copier with 4xsolution(Sanson Capital)
« Reply #2 on: March 14, 2012, 11:59:21 PM »
With all due respect your last friend is doing lousy. He was a big talker including bashing other signal service providers and he has more string of losses in a row than I can count on both hands!! Sorry will pass on your recommendation. Seems all signal providers I have come across are a joke!!


Cheers

Jeff ;)

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Re: trade copier with 4xsolution(Sanson Capital)
« Reply #3 on: March 15, 2012, 11:42:48 AM »
With all due respect your last friend is doing lousy. He was a big talker including bashing other signal service providers and he has more string of losses in a row than I can count on both hands!! Sorry will pass on your recommendation. Seems all signal providers I have come across are a joke!!


Cheers

Jeff ;)


I am sorry,I have to disagree with you with 3 points.
1.I think Jay is a good trader,maybe he has too much stress to show his trading performance to us now.
2.if somebody has 6 winning months,and suddenly has a losing month,and you say he is not a good trader?
3.my this friend is working for a hedge fund.yes,the myfxbook account is demo now,but he doesn't want people to think he can only  trade well without people's observation,that is why he wants to show his account to public from beginning.and all trades on this demo account are the same with his real trades on dukascopy.this means his real money too.
Regards. zhu dan wen  :)

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trade copier with 4xsolution(Sanson Capital)
« Reply #4 on: March 15, 2012, 11:57:34 AM »
Well said, zhu!

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Re: trade copier with 4xsolution(Sanson Capital)
« Reply #5 on: March 15, 2012, 12:03:59 PM »
Hi zhu dan wen

Could you please tell me is maximum drawdown in pips since he began trading and also on a 2000 pound account what would be the recommended lot size.


Carl



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Re: trade copier with 4xsolution(Sanson Capital)
« Reply #6 on: March 15, 2012, 12:20:19 PM »
Hi zhu dan wen

Could you please tell me is maximum drawdown in pips since he began trading and also on a 2000 pound account what would be the recommended lot size.


Carl

hi, I don't know the maximum drawdown in pips,because he is trading on risks,his trading lot is different every time,and he risks below 0.5% each time.so with this risk,his max drawdown is around 8%,when 4xsolution starts trade copier,if you double risk on your trading account, the max drawdown would be around 15%. :)

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Re: trade copier with 4xsolution(Sanson Capital)
« Reply #7 on: March 15, 2012, 01:34:40 PM »
With all due respect your last friend is doing lousy. He was a big talker including bashing other signal service providers and he has more string of losses in a row than I can count on both hands!! Sorry will pass on your recommendation. Seems all signal providers I have come across are a joke!!


Cheers

Jeff ;)


I am sorry,I have to disagree with you with 3 points.
1.I think Jay is a good trader,maybe he has too much stress to show his trading performance to us now.
2.if somebody has 6 winning months,and suddenly has a losing month,and you say he is not a good trader?
3.my this friend is working for a hedge fund.yes,the myfxbook account is demo now,but he doesn't want people to think he can only  trade well without people's observation,that is why he wants to show his account to public from beginning.and all trades on this demo account are the same with his real trades on dukascopy.this means his real money too.
Regards. zhu dan wen  :)



I can not think of ONE provider that you have brought here that has ever worked out,

Your comment I think Jay is a good trader was the same comment you made about Howie954 ( link below) and the service turned out to be a disaster when he was forced to show a myfxbook which had to be deleted because the losses where so bad!

http://www.donnaforex.com/forum/index.php?topic=4360.255

http://www.myfxbook.com/members/forextradeplans/forextradeplans/220484


 Your other comment if somebody has 6 winning months, and suddenly has a losing month, and you say he is not a good trader? Where is the proof of 6 months profits?

Again same comment you made about Howie954 and as I already stated, all it did was blow up accounts, and offer excuses


But wait if that was not enough you brought Jay too to this forum, links are below and over 80% of the users have nothing good to say about this trader also , once again you think he is a good trader. BUT the BLACK AND RED NUMBERS DO THE LIE, all there is a sea of red!! Plus lets not forget the 40+ trades he opens per day on his demo account,


Your facts are based on your opinion and not the facts seen, just this morning another user posted how your friend Jay took advantage of him with coding work.

http://www.donnaforex.com/forum/index.php?topic=5212.585
Post 590, wow some evil friends you have

It seems like all you do is bring providers to this forum, because looking at pure facts and numbers NOT ONE has yet been anywhere near as good as you made them out to be before they blew up accounts, NOT ONE, otherwise show us proof!!!

Also your comment that your friend is working for a hedge fund, and now he wants to start a signal service? Come on get real you must be joking, and this comment of yours takes the cake he can only trade well without people's observation, BS, I know people in the real hedge world and let me tell you for a fact, the Head Trader is ALWAYS looking at the floor traders trades that they place and walks over and stands right behind them looking over their shoulders, so are misleading people or live in a dream world.

For the record this makes 3 provider you have brought here and the first 2 to this date have proven to bring nothing but losses based on myfxbook number and facts and not based on opinions


http://www.donnaforex.com/forum/index.php?topic=5212.msg169440#new

http://www.donnaforex.com/forum/index.php?topic=5212.570

http://www.donnaforex.com/forum/index.php?topic=4360.255

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Re: trade copier with 4xsolution(Sanson Capital)
« Reply #8 on: March 15, 2012, 01:56:24 PM »
With all due respect your last friend is doing lousy. He was a big talker including bashing other signal service providers and he has more string of losses in a row than I can count on both hands!! Sorry will pass on your recommendation. Seems all signal providers I have come across are a joke!!


Cheers

Jeff ;)


I am sorry,I have to disagree with you with 3 points.
1.I think Jay is a good trader,maybe he has too much stress to show his trading performance to us now.
2.if somebody has 6 winning months,and suddenly has a losing month,and you say he is not a good trader?
3.my this friend is working for a hedge fund.yes,the myfxbook account is demo now,but he doesn't want people to think he can only  trade well without people's observation,that is why he wants to show his account to public from beginning.and all trades on this demo account are the same with his real trades on dukascopy.this means his real money too.
Regards. zhu dan wen  :)



I can not think of ONE provider that you have brought here that has ever worked out,

Your comment I think Jay is a good trader was the same comment you made about Howie954 ( link below) and the service turned out to be a disaster when he was forced to show a myfxbook which had to be deleted because the losses where so bad!

http://www.donnaforex.com/forum/index.php?topic=4360.255

http://www.myfxbook.com/members/forextradeplans/forextradeplans/220484


 Your other comment if somebody has 6 winning months, and suddenly has a losing month, and you say he is not a good trader? Where is the proof of 6 months profits?

Again same comment you made about Howie954 and as I already stated, all it did was blow up accounts, and offer excuses


But wait if that was not enough you brought Jay too to this forum, links are below and over 80% of the users have nothing good to say about this trader also , once again you think he is a good trader. BUT the BLACK AND RED NUMBERS DO THE LIE, all there is a sea of red!! Plus lets not forget the 40+ trades he opens per day on his demo account,


Your facts are based on your opinion and not the facts seen, just this morning another user posted how your friend Jay took advantage of him with coding work.

http://www.donnaforex.com/forum/index.php?topic=5212.585
Post 590, wow some evil friends you have

It seems like all you do is bring providers to this forum, because looking at pure facts and numbers NOT ONE has yet been anywhere near as good as you made them out to be before they blew up accounts, NOT ONE, otherwise show us proof!!!

Also your comment that your friend is working for a hedge fund, and now he wants to start a signal service? Come on get real you must be joking, and this comment of yours takes the cake he can only trade well without people's observation, BS, I know people in the real hedge world and let me tell you for a fact, the Head Trader is ALWAYS looking at the floor traders trades that they place and walks over and stands right behind them looking over their shoulders, so are misleading people or live in a dream world.

For the record this makes 3 provider you have brought here and the first 2 to this date have proven to bring nothing but losses based on myfxbook number and facts and not based on opinions


http://www.donnaforex.com/forum/index.php?topic=5212.msg169440#new

http://www.donnaforex.com/forum/index.php?topic=5212.570

http://www.donnaforex.com/forum/index.php?topic=4360.255



yes, I admit the howie954 is not a good trader.I am sorry about this.all things become bad after the account is shown to public.this is why my friend want to show the account to public from beginning.and you don't need to pay him now,and you only need to watch his performance.if he is not doing well after 2 weeks,you can give up him .watching is free.
Regards, zhu dan wen . :)

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Re: trade copier with 4xsolution(Sanson Capital)
« Reply #9 on: March 15, 2012, 02:18:27 PM »
I think its great that zhu dan wen is posting links to different signal services, so give us a chance to review them ourselves and see if they are good or bad. Myself I monitored x-squared service for 2 months was about to subscribe then he had a bad month and now I will wait another 4 months to see how he will recover this drawdown or not.

« Last Edit: March 15, 2012, 02:27:07 PM by carlleese24 »

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Re: trade copier with 4xsolution(Sanson Capital)
« Reply #10 on: March 15, 2012, 02:33:34 PM »
I think its great that zhu dan wen is posting links to different signal services, so give us a chance to review them ourselves and see if they are good or bad. Myself I monitored x-squared service for 2 months was about to subscribe then he had a bad month and now I will wait another 4 months to see how he will recover this drawdown or not.


You can find much better providers with proven track records at Zip Signals, Zulu Trade or Currensee, with history of 6 + months showing draw down, any clearly showing any reckless trading and not to mention CHEAPER, since not only are some free for 10 days but also offer a NO CHARGE if you have a losing month,

Lets not forget they have 6+ months of history in a public display so you can make a good judgment call and take some of those provider with a profit guarantee up on their offer, What do you have here? Nothing but talk and opinions and no past proof of anything   so what good does a 2 week offer make or a profit guarantee if you have no history to see or even know the traders trading habits?, like the other provider he brought here he so good again had not history and now people see that he opens 40+ days per day, if these every same provider where that good why not go to the 3 listed trading sites above where they cold get thousands of users, but instead they come here to pray on the weak, because if they ever went to the real trading sites they would not even measure up.

They know this all too well, thats why they come here to avoid the competition , and then 2-4 weeks later more account blown up, prove it to yourself just look at this forum and can see them all.

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Re: trade copier with 4xsolution(Sanson Capital)
« Reply #11 on: March 15, 2012, 02:37:26 PM »
Dan Wen,
You keep on recommending services and signals please, I truly appreciate it!
It isnt your fault if they dont work out, it is ALWAYS a net positive contribution to the community to bring them to our attention. We always learn something, no matter how they turn out.

In Jays case, I dont think its fair for anyone to say he has failed - i mean, seriously people, he had a positive return for last month, and is down like 1% this month, with half the month left. that is  a failure? Not sure that can fairly be said yet.

I think that what Howie and Jay and Jon/SSS have shown us is something we really already knew - that we need to see a bare minimum of 30 days verified on myfxbook/mt4i before we even begin to watch it. And then it makes sense to require 90 days of a performance we feel is worth paying for before subscribing. Thats is all common sense, actually. But they have helped to remind us.

In any case, Dan - I (and many others) fully appreciate your efforts, please continue to do so!

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Re: trade copier with 4xsolution(Sanson Capital)
« Reply #12 on: March 15, 2012, 02:42:22 PM »
Pip train, those other 3 sites you mention are all dogs with fleas.

Zulu is a ZOO. Tons of providers there, all they do is hold and hope, and OMG talk about overtrading! Since the site pays & gets paid on trading volume they encourage CRAZY reckless overtrading and the worst part is that because of slippage you CANT DUPLICATE THEIR RESULTS EVEN ON THE GOOD SYSTEMS AND YOU KNOW IT so that one is a dead issue.
Currensee has a very convoluted setup that I never could figure out, they very simply are NOT ready for prime time, and Zip Signals is overridden with system that are just rehash signals from commercial EA's. It has been PROVEN, I even posted about it here a year ago!

If you think those are such great options, I must strongly disagree.

I will say the last few Dan has shown us havent lived up to hopes, but that has nothing to do with his good intentions at bringing them to our attention!

I think its great that zhu dan wen is posting links to different signal services, so give us a chance to review them ourselves and see if they are good or bad. Myself I monitored x-squared service for 2 months was about to subscribe then he had a bad month and now I will wait another 4 months to see how he will recover this drawdown or not.


You can find much better providers with proven track records at Zip Signals, Zulu Trade or Currensee, with history of 6 + months showing draw down, any clearly showing any reckless trading and not to mention CHEAPER, since not only are some free for 10 days but also offer a NO CHARGE if you have a losing month,

Lets not forget they have 6+ months of history in a public display so you can make a good judgment call and take some of those provider with a profit guarantee up on their offer, What do you have here? Nothing but talk and opinions and no past proof of anything   so what good does a 2 week offer make or a profit guarantee if you have no history to see or even know the traders trading habits?, like the other provider he brought here he so good again had not history and now people see that he opens 40+ days per day, if these every same provider where that good why not go to the 3 listed trading sites above where they cold get thousands of users, but instead they come here to pray on the weak, because if they ever went to the real trading sites they would not even measure up.

They know this all too well, thats why they come here to avoid the competition , and then 2-4 weeks later more account blown up, prove it to yourself just look at this forum and can see them all.
« Last Edit: March 15, 2012, 02:44:02 PM by odysseus11 »
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Re: trade copier with 4xsolution(Sanson Capital)
« Reply #13 on: March 15, 2012, 02:59:05 PM »
Pip train, those other 3 sites you mention are all dogs with fleas.

Zulu is a ZOO. Tons of providers there, all they do is hold and hope, and OMG talk about overtrading! Since the site pays & gets paid on trading volume they encourage CRAZY reckless overtrading and the worst part is that because of slippage you CANT DUPLICATE THEIR RESULTS EVEN ON THE GOOD SYSTEMS AND YOU KNOW IT so that one is a dead issue.
Currensee has a very convoluted setup that I never could figure out, they very simply are NOT ready for prime time, and Zip Signals is overridden with system that are just rehash signals from commercial EA's. It has been PROVEN, I even posted about it here a year ago!

If you think those are such great options, I must strongly disagree.

I will say the last few Dan has shown us havent lived up to hopes, but that has nothing to do with his good intentions at bringing them to our attention!

I think its great that zhu dan wen is posting links to different signal services, so give us a chance to review them ourselves and see if they are good or bad. Myself I monitored x-squared service for 2 months was about to subscribe then he had a bad month and now I will wait another 4 months to see how he will recover this drawdown or not.


You can find much better providers with proven track records at Zip Signals, Zulu Trade or Currensee, with history of 6 + months showing draw down, any clearly showing any reckless trading and not to mention CHEAPER, since not only are some free for 10 days but also offer a NO CHARGE if you have a losing month,

Lets not forget they have 6+ months of history in a public display so you can make a good judgment call and take some of those provider with a profit guarantee up on their offer, What do you have here? Nothing but talk and opinions and no past proof of anything   so what good does a 2 week offer make or a profit guarantee if you have no history to see or even know the traders trading habits?, like the other provider he brought here he so good again had not history and now people see that he opens 40+ days per day, if these every same provider where that good why not go to the 3 listed trading sites above where they cold get thousands of users, but instead they come here to pray on the weak, because if they ever went to the real trading sites they would not even measure up.

They know this all too well, thats why they come here to avoid the competition , and then 2-4 weeks later more account blown up, prove it to yourself just look at this forum and can see them all.


Well to say the least the providers here are no better, and like you always say, myfxbook and those number says the truth its  just like Zulu, Zip, Howi954, and so many other that have failed ,but I understand your judgment  and view may have become cloudy since now you are involved with one of the providers here that people and his track record seen not to like so much,   

The difference is again a track record history none of which the 3 you mention have or had or were willing to make public when they got to this forum, and so far one blew up the other over trades 40 trades a day and yes a trader on Zulu with the many trades is labeled "reckless" so Jay would be labeled so such, but since you have had phone conversion with him too   , I think your views are not as clear as they where once like with Cap3x
« Last Edit: March 15, 2012, 03:02:03 PM by Pip Train »

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Re: trade copier with 4xsolution(Sanson Capital)
« Reply #14 on: March 15, 2012, 03:52:32 PM »
yep, my biggest complaint on here with any of the "signal vendors" was no myfxbook/mt4i.
Capital 3x was the most outrageous, with their nonsensical claims about "education" and their fantasyland web site stats.

As for the most recent wave of vendors, I insisted on myfxbook/mt4i like everyone else did.

What I *didnt* do was wait to see at least 30 days or more before trying to tell if they were quality traders or not.
As I said, regarding Jay, he is down 1% this month with half the month left, after a profit last month. That is a failure?
And Jon from SSS is still net positive, so I think my judgement is irrelevant, we can all look at their myfxbook and mt4i stats and judge objectively. Thats is all I ever expected - to me it is required. Jon has over 2 months history now, in a couple weeks he will have 3 months continual and we can make rational and objective performance analysis on his style.

I stand by my statement, that Zulu and Zip are a mess. However, I would admit that none here yet live up to hype and hope either. The best we have - so far - is just *some* myfxbook/mt4i history...not yet enough, but getting there.
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