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Offline fulltimetrader

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Re: Releasing fmonera's Robin VOL
« Reply #45 on: May 29, 2012, 11:58:54 AM »
Yes I am interested Fmonera, best wishes

Offline Curtis_S

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Re: Releasing fmonera's Robin VOL
« Reply #46 on: May 29, 2012, 12:20:24 PM »
Why not to distribute an EA:

- Workload increase: You have to answer many e-mails, solve user installation problems and payment problems and give individual instructions regarding the use of the EA. You will need to adapt the EA to those odd cases where a certain VPS or broker is not compatible with it.

- Some traders will loose money: There are still those traders that will turn off an EA after some DD before it has reached the worst case DD and restart it after it reached a new high, thus loosing money and blaming you and your product ("I can't believe I again spent another 500 USD for an EA that has't made profit.")

- You will feel responsible/some guilt towards unsofisticated traders that lost money with your EA - although the loss was the traders fault (too high risk or turning off after DD). And in the end the market will change so much that profitability is 0 anyway.

- Someone who lost money will find out where you live and show up there and confront you with his grief or do worse.

- Someone might have the idea that the strategy or some code is copyrighted by himself.

We can still help people by pointing them to the already existing volatility breakout EAs: GB and the wealth of information in the thread (also Teyacanani, Atinalla FE(free)).

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Re: Releasing fmonera's Robin VOL
« Reply #47 on: May 29, 2012, 12:37:16 PM »
   I rarely post anything but reads a lot.....With all fmonera's   background of knowledge  , I am sure I will jump on the boat he is launching and will not regret it .He simply is one of the very few who really brings something clear ,clever ,and even bright to this forum.....I think that this endeavour should not be cheap so as to stay limited to a limited array of traders who :
-Don t dream to make a zillion with 250usd on an oanda account
-know the real value of things...I think very few people here know the true value of a real money maker system ,of the quality that some intitutionals use ...you re speaking of hundreds of dollars.....I find this laughable....(of course if this EA is as brigth as his creator )
-have a sizeable account at the best brokers
-Want to establish a closed community to help each other improving the EA , and all other stuff related to it .I am already part of something like that and it has ben BRILLIANT
    OK this is just my piece of advice....I just hope I will not be disappointed because at the very last moment fmonera decides to keep it for himself.....Anyway if he shares I hope he will let the doors open a very short time for a very limited number of people and then shut them FOREVER.....

Offline kaltrax

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Re: Releasing fmonera's Robin VOL
« Reply #48 on: May 29, 2012, 12:56:28 PM »
I'm interested , please count on me ;).
"Let us strive to be more parents of our destiny than children of our past". Miguel de Unamuno.

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Re: Releasing fmonera's Robin VOL
« Reply #49 on: May 29, 2012, 01:28:40 PM »
I'm interested for sure.

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Re: Releasing fmonera's Robin VOL
« Reply #50 on: May 29, 2012, 01:44:10 PM »
amazing, everyone complained and complained that growthbot loses its trades and someone offers a version that won't lose its trades and people are still whining and complaining that its too expensive, they want backtests, they want analysis etc.

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Re: Releasing fmonera's Robin VOL
« Reply #51 on: May 29, 2012, 01:56:45 PM »
amazing, everyone complained and complained that growthbot loses its trades and someone offers a version that won't lose its trades and people are still whining and complaining that its too expensive, they want backtests, they want analysis etc.

If it really trades like GB it is definitely worth a couple of bucks. ;)

But so far I read that it is combined of different strategies and lot of work. Lets wait and see if fmonera wants to share it. If so he will definitely have few people here that will appreciate it and go for the long run profitability.

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Re: Re: Releasing fmonera's Robin VOL
« Reply #52 on: May 29, 2012, 02:23:00 PM »
amazing, everyone complained and complained that growthbot loses its trades and someone offers a version that won't lose its trades and people are still whining and complaining that its too expensive, they want backtests, they want analysis etc.

Yes, I think I am irresponsible if I buy any EA without some tests that confirms the vendor's words. And yes, if any vendor ask for the pricing range I want the most reasonable price.

For example Asirikuy membership includes several long term profitable EAs, the most valuable education for long term profitability, the analysis suite, asirikuy high quality data, community and more. This is the pricing for all:

" The only way to join is by submitting a short message using the form below describing why you want to join the community and what you expect from Asirikuy. Once I personally read and review your submission you will be able to join at a rate of 241 USD for the first year and then 161 USD for each year after that (you will receive the link to pay via paypal via email).. Note that this requirement is only to make sure that you will find what you are looking for inside Asirikuy, if the website is not in line with your expectations I will let you know so that you do not join unecessarily.".

Quite reasonable, isn't it?

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Re: Releasing fmonera's Robin VOL
« Reply #53 on: May 29, 2012, 02:36:03 PM »
   
-Want to establish a closed community to help each other improving the EA , and all other stuff related to it .I am already part of something like that and it has ben BRILLIANT
    OK this is just my piece of advice....I just hope I will not be disappointed because at the very last moment fmonera decides to keep it for himself.....Anyway if he shares I hope he will let the doors open a very short time for a very limited number of people and then shut them FOREVER.....


I like this idea about opening the door for a limited time to a group of serious traders that appreciate Fmonera`s work and then shutting them Forever.

Offline AtlantaSean

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Re: Releasing fmonera's Robin VOL
« Reply #54 on: May 29, 2012, 03:27:07 PM »
Everybody needs to think about what this is worth. No one knows more about the profitable FGB than fmonera. His approach to analysis is fantastic and it takes hours and hours of deep study to improve an already good system. On my own hunt for programmers to tweak this, either they or myself balked for one reason or another. You should all be honored that he offers this in a gesture for money. $1000 - $2000 would be a fair price as long as their are no BS monthly or yearly fees.

Offline deathlord

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Releasing fmonera's Robin VOL
« Reply #55 on: May 29, 2012, 03:56:50 PM »
While I do agree with your general opinion, I don't think we have to be honored about anything. No offense against fmonera, I love his analysis' and appreciate everything he does. But that doesn't affect my decision of buying stuff. Haven't we all learned from the hype that was built around blackbelt ea? It was stylized as the holy grail of donnaforex, and unfortunately it started its journey in drawdown. Bad luck ... Time will tell the rest of the story.

Don't turn this into another holy grail that is destined to disappoint. Fmonera himself said that he knows he needs to bring hard facts before we can make any decision. And if someone knows what data to provide, then it is him. But please stop blaming people that ask questions that need to be asked. Once we know the facts, once we know what was improved compared to FGB, we can start talking about numbers.

Right now there is no grounds for any numbers, not for $ 100 or $ 1000 or maybe $ 2000. We simply don't know what we are bidding on.

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Re: Releasing fmonera's Robin VOL
« Reply #56 on: May 29, 2012, 04:07:52 PM »
You're comparing apples to oranges deathlord. Go find a programmer who knows as much about FGB as fmonera to tweak the source code and improve the strategy and see what they are charging. Honored.

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Re: Releasing fmonera's Robin VOL
« Reply #57 on: May 29, 2012, 04:09:39 PM »
Right now there is no grounds for any numbers, not for $ 100 or $ 1000 or maybe $ 2000. We simply don't know what we are bidding on.

You are right Deathlord. You haven't got enough information to take a buying decission. I just want to know if people would be interested in this. Nothing else.

Once the business is launched, I will give you all the information needed to do a rational decission. And this will be all the information I would need to buy such a product/service: backtests / montecarlo, deep analysis of each strategy, forward/backward comparisons, ...



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Re: Releasing fmonera's Robin VOL
« Reply #58 on: May 29, 2012, 04:09:48 PM »
I think its getting off track of the intended purpose here
First I would like to recomend that any link to purchase initially not be posted publicly to this thread. This keeps newbies and dealer Jakes outside by the curb for a while. Second please keep track of members names and send them notice and link via messages rather than in public. I think it is imperative to at first keep tire kickers at the car dealership or the thread will go chaos with people joining just to jump in and all very distracting. So send me a message when available otherwise I am not checking this thread because I know I can wait it out and need only a simple one page text describing the strategy when it does become available.

Offline deathlord

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Releasing fmonera's Robin VOL
« Reply #59 on: May 29, 2012, 04:10:59 PM »
I am comparing nothing with anything, I am just not jumping onto conclusions, because I don't know what the EA actually does.

 

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